Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 > How long did you wait, before you started making pronouncements about > this list? > > Did you follow your suggestion and wait ten years until your > realization of what this list is about, was mature? > > -- Daan > Actually, I have only just, tonight, realised what this list is about. It's very clear to me now, with some measure of disappointment. But I'm hardly in a position where I'm trying to describe to others what this list is about, or teach in anyway. I came here with questions, but got sucked into the discussions (like many others I guess). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 > > There isn't a realization of something, there is only disinvesting in > self-constructed illusion and deception. This is just a play on words. Why complicate something that can be expressed by a single word? I mean, if you're going to say " there is... " then you've already created something haven't you? So why not keep the concept simple, and call it realisation, instead of creating more an more complex string of words? Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, for expedience in converstaion, just as it's ok to use " I " all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > that > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > > about it. > > > > Like Buddha did when he said, " above the earth and under the sky, I > > alone am the one awake? " > > > > Or like Jesus when he said, " I am the way, the truth, the life? " > > > > Or like Niz did? > > > > Oh, by the way, are you sure there is such a thing as realizing your > > own nature? > > > > Maybe you are hoping about something that is just a mental construct > > that has no more truth to it than an imagining. > > > > Perhaps you always already *are* your nature. Are you sure there is > > something you are supposed to realize about it, that is going to add > > something to it? > > > > -- Dan > > > By Golly Dan.......I'm starting to REALLY like you guy! > > ...........bob " We aim to please. You aim too, please. " Noted on a bathroom wall in Bakersfield, California. (the dark side of California) -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > that > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > > about it. > > > > Like Buddha did when he said, " above the earth and under the sky, I > > alone am the one awake? " > > > > Or like Jesus when he said, " I am the way, the truth, the life? " > > > > Or like Niz did? > > > > Oh, by the way, are you sure there is such a thing as realizing your > > own nature? > > > > Maybe you are hoping about something that is just a mental construct > > that has no more truth to it than an imagining. > > > > Perhaps you always already *are* your nature. Are you sure there is > > something you are supposed to realize about it, that is going to add > > something to it? > > > > -- Dan > > > By Golly Dan.......I'm starting to REALLY like you guy! > > ...........bob > You are starting to like the image that you have of Dan......probably because you believe that he agrees with your accumulated misconceptions. But be careful........what he says can rock your world. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > Like Buddha did when he said, " above the earth and under the sky, I > > > alone am the one awake? " > > > > > > Or like Jesus when he said, " I am the way, the truth, the life? " > > > > > > Or like Niz did? > > > > > > Oh, by the way, are you sure there is such a thing as realizing your > > > own nature? > > > > > > Maybe you are hoping about something that is just a mental construct > > > that has no more truth to it than an imagining. > > > > > > Perhaps you always already *are* your nature. Are you sure there is > > > something you are supposed to realize about it, that is going to add > > > something to it? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > By Golly Dan.......I'm starting to REALLY like you guy! > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > You are starting to like the image that you have of Dan......probably > because you believe that he agrees with your accumulated misconceptions. > > > > But be careful........what he says can rock your world. > > > > > toombaru > God, I love you all, you all rock my world!! JUST ONE WORD If I had but a word for you to hold in your hands And feel its shape Hear its sound Know it through and through As your own face, I'd give you Peace To gentle your Soul To adore you And give you wings. YIL 1/25/06 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > Like Buddha did when he said, " above the earth and under the sky, I > > > alone am the one awake? " > > > > > > Or like Jesus when he said, " I am the way, the truth, the life? " > > > > > > Or like Niz did? > > > > > > Oh, by the way, are you sure there is such a thing as realizing your > > > own nature? > > > > > > Maybe you are hoping about something that is just a mental construct > > > that has no more truth to it than an imagining. > > > > > > Perhaps you always already *are* your nature. Are you sure there is > > > something you are supposed to realize about it, that is going to add > > > something to it? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > By Golly Dan.......I'm starting to REALLY like you guy! > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > You are starting to like the image that you have of Dan......probably > because you believe that he agrees with your accumulated misconceptions. no that's your misconception of some image you have of me, and perhaps some illusory idea you carry regarding my motivations.....you know nothing at all about me nor I you( I hold absolutely no misconception regarding this). And I woudn't be so presumptuous toombaru, as to say what I felt about your likes or dislikes. Actually I don't like images of anything or anyone, nor people that try to project them on other people or myself regarding themselves. > But be careful........what he says can rock your world. > toombaru you have not the slightest cognition of the structure or content of my nous or what can, or cannot rock my world.......nothing, nor no one can accomplish that.......only I could do or allow such a thing, and if you can trust me on this.......precious little can be a causative agent for my allowing that to happen. I see the world as a wild and crazy place that is more for the laughs than for the getting rocked about anything.......in reality, this whole conversation via electrons is a funny tune that tickles me to no end. ..........buddy bobby Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > Like Buddha did when he said, " above the earth and under the sky, I > > > alone am the one awake? " > > > > > > Or like Jesus when he said, " I am the way, the truth, the life? " > > > > > > Or like Niz did? > > > > > > Oh, by the way, are you sure there is such a thing as realizing your > > > own nature? > > > > > > Maybe you are hoping about something that is just a mental construct > > > that has no more truth to it than an imagining. > > > > > > Perhaps you always already *are* your nature. Are you sure there is > > > something you are supposed to realize about it, that is going to add > > > something to it? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > By Golly Dan.......I'm starting to REALLY like you guy! > > > > ...........bob > > " We aim to please. > You aim too, please. " > > Noted on a bathroom wall in Bakersfield, California. > > (the dark side of California) > > -- Dan LOL........well it couldn't be on the 'Dark Side of the Moon' no more......me bud Syd Barrett died aged 60 at his home in Cambridge on July 7.......... I loved Syd, he influenced more of the rock scene of the late sixties than most anyone else...even though he left the group(Pink Floyd) in '68 and kinda reclused himself after that, my boy was a true musical genius and friend to everyone......funny thing about the supposed 'crazy' among us......most of them are the dearest of cronies one can have in the life. And I'll henceforth try to aim straight and true at the dark urinals of darker California when I'm there. ..........bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > > > There isn't a realization of something, there is only disinvesting in > > self-constructed illusion and deception. > > This is just a play on words. Why complicate something that can be > expressed by a single word? I mean, if you're going to say " there > is... " then you've already created something haven't you? So why not > keep the concept simple, and call it realisation, instead of creating > more an more complex string of words? Because you don't come to something. You release what you imagine is occluding your vision. It's not arriving somewhere, not even in the next moment. > Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, for expedience in > converstaion, just as it's ok to use " I " all the time. I'm doing my best. ;-) -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you out of > > > this mess you are in. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... > > > > Yes you were. > > > > > > > Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's suggestion to > > meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. > > > > > The me cannot be trusted to be an objective observer. It a crook pretending to be a policeman. Its personal survival is its only priority. > > > > > There was no need > > for me to come here. > > Yes there was. > > > > > I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they > > were kind of answered (thanks). > > There is no answer to a question about a thing that exists only as an idea. Cup of prana anyone? > > > > > But by and large, since I came here, > > I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle myself > > from what everyone is saying. > > > > > You are not entangled. You are the entanglement. > > > > > A lot of contradictory stuff and > > there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " that's > > supposed to be " truer " . > > > > Don't bother your self about which beliefs are true. None of them are, > > > > > > > > If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up my mind, > > It was already messed up.........and......its not your mind. > > > > > but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I don't read > > junk mail. > > > > Sorry ... no intention here to offend- > > > You can only offend those who are convinced that their beliefs are true. toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > and certainly not in the mode of the great toombaru.......as we know, > > for he has said the deluded follow and listen to the > > deluded......illusions all....ho boy! > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > It is only the blind that attempt to lead the blind. > > > > toombaru true > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you out of > > > > this mess you are in. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... > > > > > > > > > > Yes you were. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's suggestion to > > > meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > The me cannot be trusted to be an objective observer. > > It a crook pretending to be a policeman. > > > > > > Its personal survival is its only priority. > > > > > > > > > There was no need > > > for me to come here. > > > > Yes there was. > > > > > > > > > I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they > > > were kind of answered (thanks). > > > > > > There is no answer to a question about a thing that exists only as an > > idea. > > > Cup of prana anyone? > > > > > > > > > But by and large, since I came here, > > > I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle myself > > > from what everyone is saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not entangled. > > You are the entanglement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of contradictory stuff and > > > there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " that's > > > supposed to be " truer " . > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother your self about which beliefs are true. > > > None of them are, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up my mind, > > > It was already messed up.........and......its not your mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I don't read > > > junk mail. > > > > > > Sorry ... no intention here to offend- > > > > > > > > You can only offend those who are convinced that their beliefs are true. > > > > > > toombaru maybe it's only possible to remain in the dream-bubble..... as long there is ignorance about Self after the dream-bubble had come to end..... there is just normal life & breathing....like before.... but normally.....with less bubbles of non-sense then there is nobody anymore " who " could/would like to/think to.....offend/help anybody it's all fiction of mind....whatever the bubbles are telling.... it's all the reflection of....infinite, changless and formless Self like the pictures on the screen....moving.....and moving... to be a good spectator....and enjoy the movie.... one need to know that the source of all movement is the non-moving Self which Is.....our real Self Marc > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 More junk mail. Dan33033 notice how when use the word " me " or " my " or " I " and there is a swift lecture... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Jason> There was no need > > Toombari > Yes there was. > > There is no need for me to stay here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come > out) > > > that > > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > quiet > > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > Like Buddha did when he said, " above the earth and under the > sky, I > > > > alone am the one awake? " > > > > > > > > Or like Jesus when he said, " I am the way, the truth, the > life? " > > > > > > > > Or like Niz did? > > > > > > > > Oh, by the way, are you sure there is such a thing as > realizing your > > > > own nature? > > > > > > > > Maybe you are hoping about something that is just a mental > construct > > > > that has no more truth to it than an imagining. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you always already *are* your nature. Are you sure > there is > > > > something you are supposed to realize about it, that is going > to add > > > > something to it? > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > By Golly Dan.......I'm starting to REALLY like you guy! > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > > > You are starting to like the image that you have of > Dan......probably > > because you believe that he agrees with your accumulated > misconceptions. > > > > > > > > But be careful........what he says can rock your world. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > God, I love you all, you all rock my world!! > > JUST ONE WORD > > If I had but a word for you to hold in your hands > And feel its shape > Hear its sound > Know it through and through > As your own face, > I'd give you Peace > To gentle your Soul > To adore you > And give you wings. > > YIL > > 1/25/06 " I used to want buyers for my words. Now I wish someone would buy me away from words. " Rumi. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you > out of > > > > > this mess you are in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you were. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's suggestion to > > > > meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me cannot be trusted to be an objective observer. > > > > It a crook pretending to be a policeman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its personal survival is its only priority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no need > > > > for me to come here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they > > > > were kind of answered (thanks). > > > > > > > > > > There is no answer to a question about a thing that exists only as > an > > > > idea. > > > > > > Cup of prana anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But by and large, since I came here, > > > > I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle > myself > > > > from what everyone is saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not entangled. > > > > You are the entanglement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of contradictory stuff and > > > > there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " that's > > > > supposed to be " truer " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother your self about which beliefs are true. > > > > > > None of them are, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up my > mind, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already messed up.........and......its not your mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I don't > read > > > > junk mail. > > > > > > > > Sorry ... no intention here to offend- > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can only offend those who are convinced that their beliefs are > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > maybe it's only possible to remain in the dream-bubble..... > as long there is ignorance about Self > > after the dream-bubble had come to end..... > > there is just normal life & breathing....like before.... > > but normally.....with less bubbles of non-sense > > then there is nobody anymore " who " could/would like to/think > to.....offend/help anybody > > it's all fiction of mind....whatever the bubbles are telling.... > it's all the reflection of....infinite, changless and formless Self > > like the pictures on the screen....moving.....and moving... > > to be a good spectator....and enjoy the movie.... > > one need to know that the source of all movement is the non-moving > Self > > which Is.....our real Self > > Marc > > Temperature Not conjecture: What if feminine poets are right, And all you need is the warm refuge From this cold masculine ether? (Neither the hot friction Of contentious fiction, Either.) ~*~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you > out of > > > > > this mess you are in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you were. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's suggestion to > > > > meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me cannot be trusted to be an objective observer. > > > > It a crook pretending to be a policeman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its personal survival is its only priority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no need > > > > for me to come here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they > > > > were kind of answered (thanks). > > > > > > > > > > There is no answer to a question about a thing that exists only as > an > > > > idea. > > > > > > Cup of prana anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But by and large, since I came here, > > > > I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle > myself > > > > from what everyone is saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not entangled. > > > > You are the entanglement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of contradictory stuff and > > > > there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " that's > > > > supposed to be " truer " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother your self about which beliefs are true. > > > > > > None of them are, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up my > mind, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already messed up.........and......its not your mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I don't > read > > > > junk mail. > > > > > > > > Sorry ... no intention here to offend- > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can only offend those who are convinced that their beliefs are > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > maybe it's only possible to remain in the dream-bubble..... > as long there is ignorance about Self > > after the dream-bubble had come to end..... > > there is just normal life & breathing....like before.... > > but normally.....with less bubbles of non-sense > > then there is nobody anymore " who " could/would like to/think > to.....offend/help anybody > > it's all fiction of mind....whatever the bubbles are telling.... > it's all the reflection of....infinite, changless and formless Self > > like the pictures on the screen....moving.....and moving... > > to be a good spectator....and enjoy the movie.... > > one need to know that the source of all movement is the non-moving > Self > > which Is.....our real Self > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The characters in a movie will never know their true self. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 > > > > maybe it's only possible to remain in the dream-bubble..... > > as long there is ignorance about Self > > > > after the dream-bubble had come to end..... > > > > there is just normal life & breathing....like before.... > > > > but normally.....with less bubbles of non-sense > > > > then there is nobody anymore " who " could/would like to/think > > to.....offend/help anybody > > > > it's all fiction of mind....whatever the bubbles are telling.... > > it's all the reflection of....infinite, changless and formless Self > > > > like the pictures on the screen....moving.....and moving... > > > > to be a good spectator....and enjoy the movie.... > > > > one need to know that the source of all movement is the non-moving > > Self > > > > which Is.....our real Self > > > > Marc > > > Does a shadow have a 'real self' that it can become? Do the characters in a movie...or your dream last night....have a 'real self' that they can become? It's time to step out of that magical thinking. Hint: Pinocchio was made out of wood. There is no way on earth that he is ever going to be a real flesh and blood boy. He's wood.......get it? And...... there is no way on earth that an imaginary psychological entity (you) is going to become enlightened and storm the gates of heaven. There you have it. Everything that you have picked up over the years is made up.....It's all a bunch of lies. So..........why not stand out here in this meadow......in this clearing......naked..........let the sun touch that beautiful skin.........once again. Oh...........one more thing. I'm not taliking to you..........I'm talking to toombaru. (and he's crying again) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > More junk mail. > > Dan33033 notice how when use the word " me " or " my " or " I " and there > is a swift lecture... Jason - Yup, you got paid a visit by the nonduality police. ;-) -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > Everything that you have picked up over the years is made up.....It's > all a bunch of lies. I decieved myself when I decided I had made contact with something outside of myself, and that something had made contact with me. I entered a world in which making and breaking contacts with wanted and unwanted things and experiences was the basis of everything. This world was never other than myself. No contact had actually occurred. Thus, the metaphor of a dream can be employed. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > Everything that you have picked up over the years is made up.....It's > > all a bunch of lies. > > I decieved myself So the self can be decieved? >when I decided So......the self can decide? I had made contact with something > outside of myself, and that something had made contact with me. > > I entered a world in which making and breaking contacts with wanted > and unwanted things and experiences was the basis of everything. > > This world was never other than myself. > > No contact had actually occurred. > > Thus, the metaphor of a dream can be employed. > > -- Dan > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > Everything that you have picked up over the years is made up.....It's > > > all a bunch of lies. > > > > I decieved myself > So the self can be decieved? the self is the deception. > > >when I decided > > > > > So......the self can decide? the self is the decision that was (is) made, based on misunderstanding, misinterpreting > I had made contact with something > > outside of myself, and that something had made contact with me. > > > > I entered a world in which making and breaking contacts with wanted > > and unwanted things and experiences was the basis of everything. > > > > This world was never other than myself. > > > > No contact had actually occurred. > > > > Thus, the metaphor of a dream can be employed. > > > > -- Dan > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > <jasondedonno@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you > > out of > > > > > > this mess you are in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you were. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's suggestion to > > > > > meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me cannot be trusted to be an objective observer. > > > > > > It a crook pretending to be a policeman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its personal survival is its only priority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no need > > > > > for me to come here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they > > > > > were kind of answered (thanks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no answer to a question about a thing that exists only as > > an > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > Cup of prana anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But by and large, since I came here, > > > > > I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle > > myself > > > > > from what everyone is saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not entangled. > > > > > > You are the entanglement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of contradictory stuff and > > > > > there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " that's > > > > > supposed to be " truer " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother your self about which beliefs are true. > > > > > > > > > None of them are, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up my > > mind, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already messed up.........and......its not your mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I don't > > read > > > > > junk mail. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry ... no intention here to offend- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can only offend those who are convinced that their beliefs are > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > maybe it's only possible to remain in the dream-bubble..... > > as long there is ignorance about Self > > > > after the dream-bubble had come to end..... > > > > there is just normal life & breathing....like before.... > > > > but normally.....with less bubbles of non-sense > > > > then there is nobody anymore " who " could/would like to/think > > to.....offend/help anybody > > > > it's all fiction of mind....whatever the bubbles are telling.... > > it's all the reflection of....infinite, changless and formless Self > > > > like the pictures on the screen....moving.....and moving... > > > > to be a good spectator....and enjoy the movie.... > > > > one need to know that the source of all movement is the non- moving > > Self > > > > which Is.....our real Self > > > > Marc > > > > > Temperature > Not conjecture: > > What if feminine poets are right, > > And all you need is the warm refuge > From this cold masculine ether? > > (Neither the hot friction > Of contentious fiction, > > Either.) > > ~*~ yes.....why now.... sometimes it's possible to feel free.....when there is no need to read....and understand.......some of them..... Marc Ps: the only " warm " refuge is clearness of Self.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > <jasondedonno@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you > > out of > > > > > > this mess you are in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you were. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's suggestion to > > > > > meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me cannot be trusted to be an objective observer. > > > > > > It a crook pretending to be a policeman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its personal survival is its only priority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no need > > > > > for me to come here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they > > > > > were kind of answered (thanks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no answer to a question about a thing that exists only as > > an > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > Cup of prana anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But by and large, since I came here, > > > > > I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle > > myself > > > > > from what everyone is saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not entangled. > > > > > > You are the entanglement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of contradictory stuff and > > > > > there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " that's > > > > > supposed to be " truer " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother your self about which beliefs are true. > > > > > > > > > None of them are, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up my > > mind, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already messed up.........and......its not your mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I don't > > read > > > > > junk mail. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry ... no intention here to offend- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can only offend those who are convinced that their beliefs are > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > maybe it's only possible to remain in the dream-bubble..... > > as long there is ignorance about Self > > > > after the dream-bubble had come to end..... > > > > there is just normal life & breathing....like before.... > > > > but normally.....with less bubbles of non-sense > > > > then there is nobody anymore " who " could/would like to/think > > to.....offend/help anybody > > > > it's all fiction of mind....whatever the bubbles are telling.... > > it's all the reflection of....infinite, changless and formless Self > > > > like the pictures on the screen....moving.....and moving... > > > > to be a good spectator....and enjoy the movie.... > > > > one need to know that the source of all movement is the non- moving > > Self > > > > which Is.....our real Self > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The characters in a movie will never know their true self. > > > toombaru yes...... many are trapped in the role of a " character in a movie " ..... because they love to play a role as " character in a movie " .... true.... during this " roleplay " ....there can't be " knowledge " about true self the roleplay itself....is the prove that they aren't " aware/conscious " of/about...true self if there were awareness....there would be mainly peaceful " silence " .... enjoying the Wholeness of the play.... on the mind-screen.... Marc Ps: but maybe....i misunderstood you.... and you love the " character in a movie " ....? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > > <jasondedonno@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help > you > > > out of > > > > > > > this mess you are in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you were. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's > suggestion to > > > > > > meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me cannot be trusted to be an objective observer. > > > > > > > > It a crook pretending to be a policeman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its personal survival is its only priority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no need > > > > > > for me to come here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they > > > > > > were kind of answered (thanks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no answer to a question about a thing that exists > only as > > > an > > > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cup of prana anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But by and large, since I came here, > > > > > > I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle > > > myself > > > > > > from what everyone is saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not entangled. > > > > > > > > You are the entanglement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of contradictory stuff and > > > > > > there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " > that's > > > > > > supposed to be " truer " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother your self about which beliefs are true. > > > > > > > > > > > > None of them are, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up > my > > > mind, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already messed up.........and......its not your mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I > don't > > > read > > > > > > junk mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry ... no intention here to offend- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can only offend those who are convinced that their beliefs > are > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > maybe it's only possible to remain in the dream-bubble..... > > > as long there is ignorance about Self > > > > > > after the dream-bubble had come to end..... > > > > > > there is just normal life & breathing....like before.... > > > > > > but normally.....with less bubbles of non-sense > > > > > > then there is nobody anymore " who " could/would like to/think > > > to.....offend/help anybody > > > > > > it's all fiction of mind....whatever the bubbles are telling.... > > > it's all the reflection of....infinite, changless and formless > Self > > > > > > like the pictures on the screen....moving.....and moving... > > > > > > to be a good spectator....and enjoy the movie.... > > > > > > one need to know that the source of all movement is the non- > moving > > > Self > > > > > > which Is.....our real Self > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Temperature > > Not conjecture: > > > > What if feminine poets are right, > > > > And all you need is the warm refuge > > From this cold masculine ether? > > > > (Neither the hot friction > > Of contentious fiction, > > > > Either.) > > > > ~*~ > > > yes.....why now.... > > sometimes it's possible to feel free.....when there is no need to > read....and understand.......some of them..... > > Marc > > > Ps: the only " warm " refuge is clearness of Self.... > How about the warm refuge of others out there, like you, offering you these wordy lullabies? Here we all are, singing our independence from each other, yet contending over the right words, defending each others' right to be heard, yet insisting that we don't care, while caring, caring, caring with all we've got. Caring at least enough not to care. (About each other.) Is that " clear " ? (-; ~*~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > > > <jasondedonno@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help > > you > > > > out of > > > > > > > > this mess you are in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you were. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's > > suggestion to > > > > > > > meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The me cannot be trusted to be an objective observer. > > > > > > > > > > It a crook pretending to be a policeman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its personal survival is its only priority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no need > > > > > > > for me to come here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they > > > > > > > were kind of answered (thanks). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no answer to a question about a thing that exists > > only as > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cup of prana anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But by and large, since I came here, > > > > > > > I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle > > > > myself > > > > > > > from what everyone is saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not entangled. > > > > > > > > > > You are the entanglement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of contradictory stuff and > > > > > > > there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " > > that's > > > > > > > supposed to be " truer " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother your self about which beliefs are true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of them are, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up > > my > > > > mind, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was already messed up.........and......its not your mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I > > don't > > > > read > > > > > > > junk mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry ... no intention here to offend- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can only offend those who are convinced that their beliefs > > are > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's only possible to remain in the dream-bubble..... > > > > as long there is ignorance about Self > > > > > > > > after the dream-bubble had come to end..... > > > > > > > > there is just normal life & breathing....like before.... > > > > > > > > but normally.....with less bubbles of non-sense > > > > > > > > then there is nobody anymore " who " could/would like to/think > > > > to.....offend/help anybody > > > > > > > > it's all fiction of mind....whatever the bubbles are telling.... > > > > it's all the reflection of....infinite, changless and formless > > Self > > > > > > > > like the pictures on the screen....moving.....and moving... > > > > > > > > to be a good spectator....and enjoy the movie.... > > > > > > > > one need to know that the source of all movement is the non- > > moving > > > > Self > > > > > > > > which Is.....our real Self > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > Temperature > > > Not conjecture: > > > > > > What if feminine poets are right, > > > > > > And all you need is the warm refuge > > > From this cold masculine ether? > > > > > > (Neither the hot friction > > > Of contentious fiction, > > > > > > Either.) > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > yes.....why now.... > > > > sometimes it's possible to feel free.....when there is no need to > > read....and understand.......some of them..... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: the only " warm " refuge is clearness of Self.... > > > > > How about the warm refuge of others out there, like you, offering you > these wordy lullabies? > > Here we all are, singing our independence from each other, yet > contending over the right words, defending each others' right to be > heard, yet insisting that we don't care, while caring, caring, caring > with all we've got. > > Caring at least enough not to care. (About each other.) > > Is that " clear " ? > > (-; > > ~*~ lol so you have some expectations about the " form " of words.... should be always " nice " words.....to please " others " .... i'm sure that the Self of all....Is.....very fine.... always.... is it not? Marc Ps: if not.....maybe one day you could start to care about this your real Self.....being fine.... always > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
