Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 how did your real Self find itself ? ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > ...iietsa > It understood that it never left home. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > ...iietsa > how did you find out what you are ? how did you find your real Self ? how did you come to realize your real nature ? ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > toombaru > how ? reading books... parroting quotes... learning religion... how ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > how ? > reading books... > parroting quotes... > learning religion... > how ? > It cannot be found by looking. It cannot be found by not looking. It is the looking. This is it.........right here..........right now. This...........is as close as you will ever be. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > how ? > > reading books... > > parroting quotes... > > learning religion... > > how ? > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > It is the looking. > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > This is as close as anyone has ever gotten. > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > how ? > > > reading books... > > > parroting quotes... > > > learning religion... > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > This is as close as anyone has ever gotten. > > > > > Including that sinky little brown man in Mumbai. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > how ? > > reading books... > > parroting quotes... > > learning religion... > > how ? > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > It is the looking. > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > toombaru > nisargadatta: In his own words, " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take yourself to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... how did you realize your true nature ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > how ? > > > reading books... > > > parroting quotes... > > > learning religion... > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > nisargadatta: > In his own words, > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take yourself > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > how did you realize your true nature ? > simplicity itself: get out of your own way!! but then again, I am my own way;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > how ? > > > > reading books... > > > > parroting quotes... > > > > learning religion... > > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > nisargadatta: > > In his own words, > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take > yourself > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > simplicity itself: get out of your own way!! > > but then again, I am my own way;-) > in your case ....this realizing your own nature... was it a big bang in your life (if so let me in on some info here )...or was it more or less the same as before...but just not getting in your own way anymore ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > how ? > > > reading books... > > > parroting quotes... > > > learning religion... > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > nisargadatta: > In his own words, > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take yourself > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > how did you realize your true nature ? > If one realizes their 'true nature' they are no more. How does one realize that a mirage will not quench their thrist? Seeing the mirage for what it is...........and what it isn't. You cannot take the path that Nisargadatta took. Each halucination is unique....... Scent the air....pet a puppy.....when you hug someone....be the last to let go...... Cultivate fearlessness. Walk peacefully through the mystery. Accept joyfully those things that occur naturally. Anticipate loving-kindness. Flow along with the thought stream......immersed in the clarity of unknowing. When you can.......lower your legs........stand up.....and look around. Be yourself. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > how ? > > > > reading books... > > > > parroting quotes... > > > > learning religion... > > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > nisargadatta: > > In his own words, > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take > yourself > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > simplicity itself: get out of your own way!! > > but then again, I am my own way;-) > Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > how ? > > > > > reading books... > > > > > parroting quotes... > > > > > learning religion... > > > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > nisargadatta: > > > In his own words, > > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take > > yourself > > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > > > > > simplicity itself: get out of your own way!! > > > > but then again, I am my own way;-) > > > > > > > Yes. > you all seem to be so secret about how it happened... just saying " I am " ... " you are " ... " jada jada " ... talk to me...use the language...its there... all on this list says " I am the way " a parrot can say this too...if you practice with him for a month... and that parrot is still as he was before... so all you " I am the way-ones " ....introduce me in how it happened... what are you afraid of.... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > how ? > > > > reading books... > > > > parroting quotes... > > > > learning religion... > > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > nisargadatta: > > In his own words, > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take yourself > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > If one realizes their 'true nature' they are no more. > > How does one realize that a mirage will not quench their thrist? > > Seeing the mirage for what it is...........and what it isn't. > > > You cannot take the path that Nisargadatta took. > > Each halucination is unique....... > > > > Scent the air....pet a puppy.....when you hug someone....be the last > to let go...... > > Cultivate fearlessness. > > Walk peacefully through the mystery. > > Accept joyfully those things that occur naturally. > > Anticipate loving-kindness. > > Flow along with the thought stream......immersed in the clarity of > unknowing. > > When you can.......lower your legs........stand up.....and look around. > > Be yourself. > > > > > toombaru > you miss the question... I am not asking you to say " I took the same path that Nisargadatta took. " I am asking about your path... how you came to realize your path...your own true nature... this question is not impossible to give an answer to... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > how ? > > > > > reading books... > > > > > parroting quotes... > > > > > learning religion... > > > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > nisargadatta: > > > In his own words, > > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take > yourself > > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your > real > > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, > and > > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true > nature. " > > > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one realizes their 'true nature' they are no more. > > > > How does one realize that a mirage will not quench their thrist? > > > > Seeing the mirage for what it is...........and what it isn't. > > > > > > You cannot take the path that Nisargadatta took. > > > > Each halucination is unique....... > > > > > > > > Scent the air....pet a puppy.....when you hug someone....be the > last > > to let go...... > > > > Cultivate fearlessness. > > > > Walk peacefully through the mystery. > > > > Accept joyfully those things that occur naturally. > > > > Anticipate loving-kindness. > > > > Flow along with the thought stream......immersed in the clarity of > > unknowing. > > > > When you can.......lower your legs........stand up.....and look > around. > > > > Be yourself. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > you miss the question... > I am not asking you to say > " I took the same path that Nisargadatta took. " > I am asking about your path... > how you came to realize your path...your own true nature... > this question is not impossible to give an answer to... > ...iietsa > I i et sa who are u really??? I sent a short autobiography more than a year ago to all the groups I had joined, my name is Ana (Anna) Ruiz I am an open secret, unlocking the doors called 'you'. who is Iietsa? what door are u hiding behind? the tiger or the lady? I am both my dear. YIL, Ana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > how ? > > > > > > reading books... > > > > > > parroting quotes... > > > > > > learning religion... > > > > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > nisargadatta: > > > > In his own words, > > > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take > > yourself > > > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your > > real > > > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, > > and > > > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true > > nature. " > > > > > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one realizes their 'true nature' they are no more. > > > > > > How does one realize that a mirage will not quench their thrist? > > > > > > Seeing the mirage for what it is...........and what it isn't. > > > > > > > > > You cannot take the path that Nisargadatta took. > > > > > > Each halucination is unique....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Scent the air....pet a puppy.....when you hug someone....be the > > last > > > to let go...... > > > > > > Cultivate fearlessness. > > > > > > Walk peacefully through the mystery. > > > > > > Accept joyfully those things that occur naturally. > > > > > > Anticipate loving-kindness. > > > > > > Flow along with the thought stream......immersed in the clarity > of > > > unknowing. > > > > > > When you can.......lower your legs........stand up.....and look > > around. > > > > > > Be yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > you miss the question... > > I am not asking you to say > > " I took the same path that Nisargadatta took. " > > I am asking about your path... > > how you came to realize your path...your own true nature... > > this question is not impossible to give an answer to... > > ...iietsa > > > > > I i et sa > > who are u really??? I sent a short autobiography more than a year > ago to all the groups I had joined, my name is Ana (Anna) Ruiz I am > an open secret, unlocking the doors called 'you'. > > who is Iietsa? what door are u hiding behind? the tiger or the > lady? I am both my dear. > > YIL, > Ana hey ana......... you miss the question...I know who you are...but... I am asking how you came to realize your path... how you came to realize your own true nature... nisargadatta could answer this question easely... but on this list I find no such easyness... all I see here is " I am the one " ... " It cannot be found by looking. " " It is the looking. " ... " what door are u hiding behind? " ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It understood that it never left home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how ? > > > > > > > reading books... > > > > > > > parroting quotes... > > > > > > > learning religion... > > > > > > > how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot be found by not looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is it.........right here..........right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This...........is as close as you will ever be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nisargadatta: > > > > > In his own words, > > > > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take > > > yourself > > > > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find > your > > > real > > > > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would > spend > > > > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it > made, > > > and > > > > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true > > > nature. " > > > > > > > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > > > > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one realizes their 'true nature' they are no more. > > > > > > > > How does one realize that a mirage will not quench their > thrist? > > > > > > > > Seeing the mirage for what it is...........and what it isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > You cannot take the path that Nisargadatta took. > > > > > > > > Each halucination is unique....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scent the air....pet a puppy.....when you hug someone....be > the > > > last > > > > to let go...... > > > > > > > > Cultivate fearlessness. > > > > > > > > Walk peacefully through the mystery. > > > > > > > > Accept joyfully those things that occur naturally. > > > > > > > > Anticipate loving-kindness. > > > > > > > > Flow along with the thought stream......immersed in the > clarity > > of > > > > unknowing. > > > > > > > > When you can.......lower your legs........stand up.....and > look > > > around. > > > > > > > > Be yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > you miss the question... > > > I am not asking you to say > > > " I took the same path that Nisargadatta took. " > > > I am asking about your path... > > > how you came to realize your path...your own true nature... > > > this question is not impossible to give an answer to... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > I i et sa > > > > who are u really??? I sent a short autobiography more than a year > > ago to all the groups I had joined, my name is Ana (Anna) Ruiz I > am > > an open secret, unlocking the doors called 'you'. > > > > who is Iietsa? what door are u hiding behind? the tiger or the > > lady? I am both my dear. > > > > YIL, > > Ana > > hey ana......... you miss the question...I know who you are...but... > I am asking how you came to realize your path... > how you came to realize your own true nature... > nisargadatta could answer this question easely... > but on this list I find no such easyness... > all I see here is " I am the one " ... " It cannot be found by looking. " > " It is the looking. " ... " what door are u hiding behind? " > > ...iietsa > ....and you missed my question, I wrote my autobiography with my name, no phantom character, except the character I am-ing. I ask again who are u? answer me: who is asking the question? ....is that so difficult to answer? Ana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2006 > nisargadatta: > In his own words, > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take yourself > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > how did you realize your true nature ? > Yes, I would like to know that too. Usually there is some kind of story. I have only had glimpse, usually just before I wake up, and they seem to be sponataneous, although they have coincided with dreams about N. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > hey ana......... you miss the question...I know who you are...but... > I am asking how you came to realize your path... > how you came to realize your own true nature... > nisargadatta could answer this question easely... > but on this list I find no such easyness... > all I see here is " I am the one " ... " It cannot be found by looking. " > " It is the looking. " ... " what door are u hiding behind? " > > ...iietsa Apparently you are asking your questions to the list, so I will do what I can to answer: The words you've used: " realization " and " your own true nature " and " realizing your path " -- don't fit perfectly for me. But I can respond to the gist of your question: I take it you are asking how did knowing 'what is so' happen for me. It happened/happens/is spontaneously, of itself -- and isn't in the past, and isn't something I have, is not more here than there, not more mine than yours. And it didn't occur in spite of me, but because I tried and failed -- this simply is what remains when all that was apparently formed from my activity -- is not. To answer your earlier question, was this a boom or a subtle shift -- it shook things up, very much so -- disorientingly so, yet all reintegrated and continued on of itself, the events of my life falling into place -- an ordinary life of an ordinary person. The tendencies forming as me and my life continuing to work themselves out and through just as usual. You ask how did it affect my life -- deeply, but without changing anything. You ask how did it happen - just as the end of the movement of attempting, holding, and investing in/as a center, or as trying to get somewhere else or be some other way. A dissolution of the activity in trying to anticipate a next moment - yet still able to think and plan, with no problem. -- D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2006 [...] > nisargadatta: > In his own words, > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take yourself > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > how did you realize your true nature ? > If there is a real objective way to measure that Nisargadatta [or someone else] realized/achieved something that others didn't only then the question of realization can be answered in any real way. Do you know of any such way? If not... talk of " realization " just remains mere 'talk', stories, speculation, mental dreams and fantasies. For all we know, Nisargadatta himself might have been mistaken, wrong or 'lying'. How do I know that Nisargadatta was " realized " ? My experience is that I don't know that. I can't know that and thus there is no real way to answer the question as the basic premise itself is not established. As far as 'meditation' is concerned – its effects are now being scientifically measured and its methods are well known. But, then... meditation is an ongoing process and there is no 'meditator' who is ever " done " ! If 'professional' 'gurus' like Adyashanti, Gangaji, Tolle, Katie, Ramesh, Kalkie, Sai Baba, Sailor Bob, Adi da let imaprtial, neutral scientists observe and examine their mental state, brain waves, heart rate in an objective way and on regular intervals - only then, we might have some " objective " way to know what " realization " is. Until then, it will remain just " talk " ... A " guy " fantasizing about 'altered state' of mind that he/she experiences from time to time without needing to take any drugs... or, an " intellectual " who has read many spiritual texts and has learned to talk in the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > nisargadatta: > > In his own words, > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take yourself > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > If there is a real objective way to > measure that Nisargadatta [or someone > else] realized/achieved something that > others didn't only then the question of > realization can be answered in any real > way. > > Do you know of any such way? > > If not... talk of " realization " just > remains mere 'talk', stories, speculation, > mental dreams and fantasies. > > For all we know, Nisargadatta himself > might have been mistaken, wrong or > 'lying'. > > How do I know that Nisargadatta was " realized " ? > > My experience is that I don't know that. I can't > know that and thus there is no real way to answer > the question as the basic premise itself is not > established. > > As far as 'meditation' is concerned – its effects are > now being scientifically measured and its methods > are well known. > > But, then... meditation is an ongoing process and > there is no 'meditator' who is ever " done " ! > > > If 'professional' 'gurus' like Adyashanti, Gangaji, > Tolle, Katie, Ramesh, Kalkie, Sai Baba, Sailor Bob, > Adi da let imaprtial, neutral scientists observe and > examine their mental state, brain waves, heart rate > in an objective way and on regular intervals - only then, > we might have some " objective " way to know what " realization " > is. > > Until then, it will remain just " talk " ... > > A " guy " fantasizing about 'altered state' of mind > that he/she experiences from time to time without > needing to take any drugs... > > or, > > an " intellectual " who has read many spiritual texts > and has learned to talk in the same way. > Thank you Arvind, So again we are left without any conclusions; there is one major difference though IMHO, In realization, there is no separation between the questioner and the one who is answering. Can one FEEL that? Yes. Decidedly so. As for my 'realization' it is one of an ever-deeping Gratitude and Love for THIS IS All. GRATITUDE Have you ever stopped your car somewhere on the side of any road? Your breath is leaving you, your heart is barely beating, your life seems to be held in some wicked balance, and the sound in your throat is strangled, and the tears blind you and you cry like a baby and can't seem to catch your next breath and you wonder just how you are here in this place of Now, this Peace that holds you captive. This is that absolutely glorious exquisite moment you have been waiting for all your life. The earth and heaven have sprung a leak in you; it is a watershed experience, how could you have missed this all in your Before Life, this utter utterly unimaginable Beauty that is Living You. The Kindness of You. The Wonder of You. This Love of You. This Knowing of You. This Unspeakable Ecstacy that has ordained You and recognized itself in this one small small life. 7/12/05 ....what led up to this is a distant memory of someone I had yet to Be, an inordinate need to know I am not separate from 'God' a shift from outside in, a reversal of fortune ;-) a knowing of who the shift was and who the shift was not an inordinate desire to experience Oneness with All There Is; being willing to die to experience This. wanting to know what love is; to experience Love for All That Is, wanting All That Is to return my Love. 7th heaven, so to speak;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2006 > > [...] > > > nisargadatta: > > In his own words, > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take yourself > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > If there is a real objective way to > measure that Nisargadatta [or someone > else] realized/achieved something that > others didn't only then the question of > realization can be answered in any real > way. > > Do you know of any such way? > > If not... talk of " realization " just > remains mere 'talk', stories, speculation, > mental dreams and fantasies. > > For all we know, Nisargadatta himself > might have been mistaken, wrong or > 'lying'. > > How do I know that Nisargadatta was " realized " ? > > My experience is that I don't know that. I can't > know that and thus there is no real way to answer > the question as the basic premise itself is not > established. > > As far as 'meditation' is concerned – its effects are > now being scientifically measured and its methods > are well known. > > But, then... meditation is an ongoing process and > there is no 'meditator' who is ever " done " ! > > If 'professional' 'gurus' like Adyashanti, Gangaji, Tolle, Katie, Ramesh, Kalkie, Sai Baba, Sailor Bob, Adi da let imaprtial, neutral scientists observe and examine their mental state, body, brain in an objective way and on regular intervals for an extended time - only then, we might have some " objective " way to know what " realization " is. Until then, it will remain just " talk " ... It is my experience that I don't have a 'constant' mental state. I am neither always peaceful, nor always full of love, nor always perfectly happy! Sometimes I am as if in the state of deep dreamless sleep while awake, other times I am frantic. Sometimes I am even scared and holding onto my breath thinking that I don't 'consciously' breathe I might die. Sometimes I am very calm amidst what to others might feel like turmoil. Other times, I am fierce and very angry at what looks like small matter. Sometimes I am very present, very conscious, other times I am not. When I talk to others - they tell me that they too go through many states. When I look at many pictures of Ramana - he too doesn't look perfectly happy, clam in every picture of his. When I hear stories of gurus from their close associates - I hear the incidence to common human emotions that occur in other humans too. Based on this data, realization as in " always happy " or " always peaceful " looks false or at least 'not yet achieved by any human'. > > A " guy " fantasizing about 'altered state' of mind > that he/she experiences from time to time without > needing to take any drugs... > > or, > > an " intellectual " who has read many spiritual texts > and has learned to talk in the same way. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > nisargadatta: > > > In his own words, > > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take > yourself > > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your > real > > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, > and > > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true > nature. " > > > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > Stories about realization are stories......about realization. If I ask someone what type of car they drove to get to this little village.......they will all say something quite different. You are searching for a method to attain something that exists only as a concept. Adya heard a bird and disappeared......and you ask him what kind of a bird it was. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > ...iietsa > there is something wrong with this question. it is more: how did the false sense of self end? what is left is What Is... you may call What Is your real Self... but that seems an odd term to me, as it (seems to me) connotes a *distinctness*, a definite something that is the " real Self " . I find no such distinctness at all. here there is just the open UN-distinctness of What Is. ever-open, ever new. so I don't like that term " real Self " as for " How did the false sense of self end? " there was a disindentification with the origination of thoughts and feelings. Thoughts and feelings were seen to be arising of their own... and belonging to no one. apparently the false sense of self [the word 'false' is redundant there!] IS identification with the origination of thoughts and feelings. Bill Note: any " sense of self " is false, is illusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2006 <snip> > > nisargadatta: > > In his own words, > > " When I met my Guru, he told me, 'You are not what you take > yourself > > to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sense I AM, find your real > > Self...' I did as he told me. All my spare time I would spend > > looking at myself in silence...and what a difference it made, and > > how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " > > > > it took him only three years to realize his true nature.... > > > > how did you realize your true nature ? > > > > > simplicity itself: get out of your own way!! > > but then again, I am my own way;-) > reminds me of the title of Alan Watts' autobiography: *In My Own Way*. He said that it was intentionally a pun, meaning... doing in his own way, and himself being in his way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
