Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 Ocean can never see the waves. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:41 AM Ocean Ocean can never see the waves. toombaru yet, the wave, having risen high enough to see its 'source-ocean' and having realized what 'wave' Is Knows... anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:41 AM > Ocean > > > Ocean can never see the waves. > > > > toombaru > > > yet, the wave, having risen high enough to see its 'source- ocean' and having realized what 'wave' Is Knows... > > anna > > ********** The only thing a wave ever sees is the shit up it's own ass. And it calls it the source-ocean. LOL Just keep it up, keep sticking it up there, higher even. LOL Pathetic I tell you, absolutely pathetic. Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:41 AM > Ocean > > > Ocean can never see the waves. > > > > toombaru > > > yet, the wave, having risen high enough to see its 'source-ocean' and having realized what 'wave' Is Knows... > > anna > > > > > > ** > Within that knowingness....there is no wave.......and no ocean. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 - toombaru2004 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:22 PM Re: Ocean Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:41 AM > Ocean > > > Ocean can never see the waves. > > > > toombaru > > > yet, the wave, having risen high enough to see its 'source-ocean' and having realized what 'wave' Is Knows... > > anna > > > > > > ** > from " 2010 " , It's all stars................! anna Within that knowingness....there is no wave.......and no ocean. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 > > Within that knowingness....there is no wave.......and no ocean. > so says a wave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > Within that knowingness....there is no wave.......and no ocean. > > > > so says a wave. Was Ramana a wave? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 - Judi Rhodes Nisargadatta Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:42 PM Re: Ocean Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > toombaru2004 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:41 AM > Ocean > > > Ocean can never see the waves. > > > > toombaru > > > yet, the wave, having risen high enough to see its 'source- ocean' and having realized what 'wave' Is Knows... > > anna > > ********** The only thing a wave ever sees is the shit up it's own ass. And it calls it the source-ocean. LOL Just keep it up, keep sticking it up there, higher even. LOL Pathetic I tell you, absolutely pathetic. Judi Well, howdy Miss Judi, How's it hanging on your ranch? Do you miss me? After all, I've been real careful of them there trees, thanks to your caring admonishment ...Who knows how many trees may have hit me if it wouldn't have been for the likes of ya. And tis turtles all the way down and 'shit' all the way up, if you please... pathetically, yours Anna Pathetic: (Dictionary.com) 1. Arousing or capable of arousing sympathetic sadness and compassion. 2. Arousing or capable of arousing scornful pity, So, Miss Judy, I'm asking you in which manner are you using pathetic. (Anna guesses, knowing full well the first two don't count, hearing from the back of her mind-- no the ocean as she's drowning---pick No. 2, pick No,2) Or is it the arousing? Hmmm? Oops, has 'anna' gone to far? (now where oh where did Judi's mind go, for a second, bad, bad , Judy:)) Anna's hearing a song (in her head) Um boom ba bay Um boom ba bay Um Um boom ba bay bay Pressure pushing down on me Pressing down on you no man ask for Under pressure That burns a building down Splits a family in two Puts people on streets Um ba ba bay Um ba ba bay Doo day dauh Ee day duh, that's okay! It's the terror of knowing What this world is about Watching some good friends Scream let me out! Pray tomorrow takes me higher Pressure on people People on streets day da day da da dup bup bup O-kay Chippin' around my brains are on the floor These are the days It never rains but it pours Ee do bay ba bup Novo Bay lup People on streets Dee da dee da day People on streets De de dee da dee da dee da (Thanks to David Bowie and Queen) (I didn't think you'd like it if I started singing, Home, Home on the ranch, where the ..........play & get hung out to dry...) ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > Well, howdy Miss Judi, > > How's it hanging on your ranch? > > Do you miss me? After all, I've been real careful of them there trees, thanks to your caring admonishment ...Who knows how many trees may have hit me if it wouldn't have been for the likes of ya. > > And tis turtles all the way down > and 'shit' all the way up, if you please... > > pathetically, yours > Anna > > > Pathetic: (Dictionary.com) > > 1. Arousing or capable of arousing sympathetic sadness and compassion. > > 2. Arousing or capable of arousing scornful pity, > > > So, Miss Judy, I'm asking you in which manner are you using pathetic. > > (Anna guesses, knowing full well the first two don't count, hearing from the back of her mind-- no the ocean as she's drowning--- pick No. 2, pick No,2) > > *********** You're a non-event, a fart in a pig pen. Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 > > Within that knowingness....there is no wave.......and no ocean. > > > > so says a wave. Was Ramana a wave? ************* I would say as an Avatar, he was the ocean - his consciousness was that of the oneness. sai Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote: > > > > Within that knowingness....there is no wave.......and no ocean. > > > > > > > so says a wave. > > > Was Ramana a wave? > > ************* > > I would say as an Avatar, he was the ocean - his consciousness was that of > the oneness. > > sai He was just another talking head. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 > Was Ramana a wave? > > ************* > > I would say as an Avatar, he was the ocean - his consciousness was that of > the oneness. > > sai He was just another talking head. toombaru Are you saying that he was " nothing special " ? sai Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote: > > > > Was Ramana a wave? > > > > ************* > > > > I would say as an Avatar, he was the ocean - his consciousness was that of > > the oneness. > > > > sai > > > He was just another talking head. > > toombaru > > > Are you saying that he was " nothing special " ? > > sai I am. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > Was Ramana a wave? > > > > > > ************* > > > > > > I would say as an Avatar, he was the ocean - his consciousness was that of > > > the oneness. > > > > > > sai > > > > > > He was just another talking head. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Are you saying that he was " nothing special " ? > > > > sai > > > > > I am. > > There are no special people. > > toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 > > Was Ramana a wave? > > > > ************* > > > > I would say as an Avatar, he was the ocean - his consciousness was that of > > the oneness. > > > > sai > > > He was just another talking head. > > toombaru > > > Are you saying that he was " nothing special " ? > > sai I am. toombaru *************** Ok. I believe you're mistaken Toom, but we all have our own opinions, and our entitled to them. Thanks for a " straight " reply :-) sai Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote: > > > > > Was Ramana a wave? > > > > > > ************* > > > > > > I would say as an Avatar, he was the ocean - his consciousness was that > of > > > the oneness. > > > > > > sai > > > > > > He was just another talking head. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Are you saying that he was " nothing special " ? > > > > sai > > I am. > > toombaru > > *************** > > Ok. I believe you're mistaken Toom, but we all have our own opinions, and > our entitled to them. > > Thanks for a " straight " reply :-) > > sai There is no one higher the you..........sai. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 There are no special people. > toombaru I suppose i should clarify what i mean by " special " Really i suppose i mean: out of the " ordinary " That he was a being who's consciousness was vastly more evolved than the ordinary/average " man/women on the street. sai Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote: > There are no special people. > > > toombaru > > > I suppose i should clarify what i mean by " special " > > Really i suppose i mean: out of the " ordinary " > That he was a being who's consciousness was vastly more evolved than the > ordinary/average " man/women on the street. > > sai Sai, It wasn't 'his' consciousness. No wave is more advanced than any other wave...... Some radios pick up a clear signal....some do not. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 There is no one higher the you..........sai. toombaru Yes. You are right Toom, i do believe that all is one. And that is what my essence - my " truth " is " I am That " But on the level of relativity - this fella known as " sai " ... well he is not anywhere near as evoved as Ramana. I am trying to think of myself at the level of truth...to not identify with sai as " me " .. to abide in the " presence " like the wave...sai exists for a time (relatively)...and then no more but " I AM " eternal sai Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote: > > There is no one higher the you..........sai. > > toombaru > > > Yes. You are right Toom, i do believe that all is one. And that is what my > essence - my " truth " is " I am That " > > But on the level of relativity - this fella known as " sai " ... > well he is not anywhere near as evoved as Ramana. > > I am trying to think of myself at the level of truth...to not identify with > sai as " me " .. to abide in the " presence " > > like the wave...sai exists for a time (relatively)...and then no more > but " I AM " eternal > > sai Sai.....you're speaking wave lingo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 > I suppose i should clarify what i mean by " special " > > Really i suppose i mean: out of the " ordinary " > That he was a being who's consciousness was vastly more evolved than the > ordinary/average " man/women on the street. > > sai It wasn't 'his' consciousness. No wave is more advanced than any other wave...... Some radios pick up a clear signal....some do not. Toom - you don't believe in reincarnation? I can go with your " some radios pick up a clear signal " but i put that down to the evolution of consciousness. Some mature " radios " have no obstacles to block the signal...but that's because they have removed those through their incarnations previously. That's why i believe some waves are more advanced than others. Although, as i expressed earlier, i wouldn't call Ramana a wave And yes...at the heart of it, no wave ever existed. It can be tricky seeing exactly where one mind is coming from when talking of these things...switching from the relative to the absolute, as one contradicts the other - or seemingly. sai Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 > > Yes. You are right Toom, i do believe that all is one. And that is what my > essence - my " truth " is " I am That " > > But on the level of relativity - this fella known as " sai " ... > well he is not anywhere near as evoved as Ramana. > > I am trying to think of myself at the level of truth...to not identify with > sai as " me " .. to abide in the " presence " > > like the wave...sai exists for a time (relatively)...and then no more > but " I AM " eternal > > sai Sai.....you're speaking wave lingo. ************** Now what does that mean toom? Do you mean that i am identifying as a wave...trying to be the ocean? If so then yes i am i guess. And that is i see a problem! :-) But i am conditioned, and used to being a wave - even though i know that i am much more than that...it is not my conscious moment to moment experience. sai Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote: > > > > I suppose i should clarify what i mean by " special " > > > > Really i suppose i mean: out of the " ordinary " > > That he was a being who's consciousness was vastly more evolved than the > > ordinary/average " man/women on the street. > > > > sai It wasn't 'his' consciousness. > > > > No wave is more advanced than any other wave...... > > > > Some radios pick up a clear signal....some do not. > > > > > Toom - you don't believe in reincarnation? > There in no incarnation......no reincarnatiuon. > I can go with your " some radios pick up a clear signal " but i put that down > to the evolution of consciousness. > Some mature " radios " have no obstacles to block the signal...but that's > because they have removed those through their incarnations previously. > > That's why i believe some waves are more advanced than others. Although, as > i expressed earlier, i wouldn't call Ramana a wave You say that you believe Ramana......... He said that there is no reincarnation. > > And yes...at the heart of it, no wave ever existed. > > It can be tricky seeing exactly where one mind is coming from when talking > of these things...switching from the relative to the absolute, as one > contradicts the other - or seemingly. > > sai > Conceptual thinking is a juggling act.....in which contradictory concepts struggle for dominance in a dream like state that is mistaken for reality. For the illusory psychological center that emerges from this mistaken identity......there is no escape.......for a very good reason.......the prisoner is the prison. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote: > > > > > Yes. You are right Toom, i do believe that all is one. And that is what my > > essence - my " truth " is " I am That " > > > > But on the level of relativity - this fella known as " sai " ... > > well he is not anywhere near as evoved as Ramana. > > > > I am trying to think of myself at the level of truth...to not identify > with > > sai as " me " .. to abide in the " presence " > > > > like the wave...sai exists for a time (relatively)...and then no more > > but " I AM " eternal > > > > sai > > > Sai.....you're speaking wave lingo. > > ************** > > Now what does that mean toom? > > Do you mean that i am identifying as a wave...trying to be the ocean? > > If so then yes i am i guess. And that is i see a problem! :-) > > But i am conditioned, and used to being a wave - even though i know that i > am much more than that...it is not my conscious moment to moment experience. > > sai > If a wave were to identify its self as its movement....and if it was programmed to believe that it was that movement that was its " problem " .....it might conclude that by stopping that movement it could improve itself.....(which ....for all seekers.....means becoming enlightened) It never (well almost never) realizes that " it " is nothing other then its own movement....which (in all seekers) strangely includes its own unceasing search for its imaginary 'self'. and even if it could somehow stop its own movement.....it would cease " to be " . So.......by now you are probably......wondering what you can do to extracate your self from this......dilemma. Ain't it a hoot? LOL toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2005 What is the Ocean ??? What is the Waves ??? They say that is Blus colred thing is Ocean. They say this White colored one is a Wave. All in all It is only Water. ......m Nisargadatta [Nisargadatta ]On Behalf Of toombaru2004 Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:11 PM Nisargadatta Ocean Ocean can never see the waves. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. _____ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
