Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > attemps > > > to solve it. > > > > > > > > It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ eggs > > > and bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Toom, > > > > What about this that you've just written > > above, as well as most of the other > > pages and pages of posts here attempting to > > define 'dying to oneself' and its offshoots, > > is not the continuing quest to provide > > comfort to oneself about " how things are " > > how it is, way to be, dude? -- > > something to provide some resting place > > or sense of having something figured out. > > > > That is what all of it does, no matter how > > non-dual it sounds. Honestly, it sounds > > like some are trying to convince themselves > > of something that if they really, truly > > knew it, would not even think of to say > > it. > > > > But, I suppose that that movement, > > too, is not out of place. > > > > I think that the best any of the top guns > > like Niz or JC were doing, or could do, > > at most, was to point a 'way'.... > > speak poetically and in koans, > > and saying, in effect, > > don't try to have philosophies, instead, > > make up your own damn mind each second > > and then finally, goodbye and Good Luck!, > > you are on your own. > > > > ~freyja > > > > > Freyja, > > > > Didn't I tell you....I don't like people peeking under my dress? > > > toombaru > I know, i know Toom :-) These things are the things we are here gathered here speaking of, so, i would rather hear them as opposed to nothing at all from you, because you are dear to me in my heart, and i delight in you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world of memories....... > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached enlightenment. > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into a reasonalbe package) > > > > > toombaru Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. In spite of the many ways people have told you, you come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past those replies. Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > > > It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > > attemps > > > > to solve it. > > > > > > > > > > It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > > > There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > > > The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > eggs > > > > and bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Toom, > > > > > > What about this that you've just written > > > above, as well as most of the other > > > pages and pages of posts here attempting to > > > define 'dying to oneself' and its offshoots, > > > is not the continuing quest to provide > > > comfort to oneself about " how things are " > > > how it is, way to be, dude? -- > > > something to provide some resting place > > > or sense of having something figured out. > > > > > > That is what all of it does, no matter how > > > non-dual it sounds. Honestly, it sounds > > > like some are trying to convince themselves > > > of something that if they really, truly > > > knew it, would not even think of to say > > > it. > > > > > > But, I suppose that that movement, > > > too, is not out of place. > > > > > > I think that the best any of the top guns > > > like Niz or JC were doing, or could do, > > > at most, was to point a 'way'.... > > > speak poetically and in koans, > > > and saying, in effect, > > > don't try to have philosophies, instead, > > > make up your own damn mind each second > > > and then finally, goodbye and Good Luck!, > > > you are on your own. > > > > > > ~freyja > > > > > > > > > Freyja, > > > > > > > > Didn't I tell you....I don't like people peeking under my dress? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > I know, i know Toom :-) > > These things are the things > we are here gathered here > speaking of, so, i would rather > hear them as opposed to nothing > at all from you, because you > are dear to me in my heart, > and i delight in you. I love you. I always have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has > experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world > of memories....... > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into > a reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > those replies. > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. Diana, Is it possible that Ramana was wrong? Was everything that came from his mouth true? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > attemps to > > > > > > >solve it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > > eggs and > > > > > > >bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > And how beautifully, how richly it is composed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inclined to be a bit grandiose in its own self-assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything > > > > > > wrong about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > There can be nothing wrong in something that exists only as an ides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It represents the way we live our lifes. We should let > > > > > > it flow, allow it to be its very nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We " are not independent of the " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > The " we " .....(I am) is the reselt of conceptualization.....not its > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > It flows......regardless of what we think we choose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only then we might be able go > > > > > > beyond it. > > > > > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are mind-stuff. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can go beyond itself. > > > > > > > > Thinking is not the highest state for humanity according to Eckhart > > > > Tolle. If he is correct, then evolution itself can go beyind itself; > > > > it can evolve. To make what Tolle said more clear, let me add: he is > > > > not talking about removing the ability to think, thoughts can operate > > > > beautifully in this new state of awareness, he says. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced > > his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world of > > memories....... > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into a > > reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Maybe Ramana simply was joking when he told his followers about his > > enlightened cow. :-] > > > > That's what I mean......It doesn't occur to them that Ramana was flat out wrong. > > t. Or maybe he was pointing out that everything is enlightened, inluding the cow, and the only thing that is not enlightened is an illusion. /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > those replies. > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > > Diana, > > > Is it possible that Ramana was wrong? > > Was everything that came from his mouth true? > > > > toombaru What comes from anyone's mouth is what comes from someone's mouth. Do with it what you will. What are wrong/right, true/untrue, save measurements made by intellect? What in essence are all the pointings, but an invitation to see if there's anything beyond that measuring mind? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has > > > experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world > > > of memories....... > > > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into > > > a reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > > those replies. > > > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > > > > > > > Diana, > > > > > > Is it possible that Ramana was wrong? > > > > Was everything that came from his mouth true? > > > > > There are a lot of very intelligent people that honestly believe that the pope is infallible. > > > > toombaru I would say that they are probably correct, although they often miss the possible fact that they too are infallible. /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > > attemps to > > > > > > > >solve it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > > > eggs and > > > > > > > >bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how beautifully, how richly it is composed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inclined to be a bit grandiose in its own self-assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything > > > > > > > wrong about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > There can be nothing wrong in something that exists only as > an ides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It represents the way we live our lifes. We should let > > > > > > > it flow, allow it to be its very nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We " are not independent of the " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The " we " .....(I am) is the reselt of > conceptualization.....not its > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > It flows......regardless of what we think we choose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only then we might be able go > > > > > > > beyond it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are mind-stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can go beyond itself. > > > > > > > > > > Thinking is not the highest state for humanity according to > Eckhart > > > > > Tolle. If he is correct, then evolution itself can go beyind > itself; > > > > > it can evolve. To make what Tolle said more clear, let me add: > he is > > > > > not talking about removing the ability to think, thoughts can > operate > > > > > beautifully in this new state of awareness, he says. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced > > > his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world of > > > memories....... > > > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into a > > > reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Maybe Ramana simply was joking when he told his followers about his > > > enlightened cow. :-] > > > > > > > > That's what I mean......It doesn't occur to them that Ramana was > flat out wrong. > > > > t. > > Or maybe he was pointing out that everything is enlightened, inluding > the cow, and the only thing that is not enlightened is an illusion. > > /AL No. He was flat out wrong..........an enlightened cow?........come on! toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > > > attemps to > > > > > > > > >solve it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > > > > eggs and > > > > > > > > >bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how beautifully, how richly it is composed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inclined to be a bit grandiose in its own self-assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything > > > > > > > > wrong about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There can be nothing wrong in something that exists only as > > an ides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It represents the way we live our lifes. We should let > > > > > > > > it flow, allow it to be its very nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We " are not independent of the " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " we " .....(I am) is the reselt of > > conceptualization.....not its > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It flows......regardless of what we think we choose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only then we might be able go > > > > > > > > beyond it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are mind-stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can go beyond itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking is not the highest state for humanity according to > > Eckhart > > > > > > Tolle. If he is correct, then evolution itself can go beyind > > itself; > > > > > > it can evolve. To make what Tolle said more clear, let me add: > > he is > > > > > > not talking about removing the ability to think, thoughts can > > operate > > > > > > beautifully in this new state of awareness, he says. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced > > > > his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > > > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world of > > > > memories....... > > > > > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into a > > > > reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Maybe Ramana simply was joking when he told his followers about his > > > > enlightened cow. :-] > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what I mean......It doesn't occur to them that Ramana was > > flat out wrong. > > > > > > t. > > > > Or maybe he was pointing out that everything is enlightened, inluding > > the cow, and the only thing that is not enlightened is an illusion. > > > > /AL > > > No. > > He was flat out wrong..........an enlightened cow?........come on! > > > toombaru LMFAO! Yeah, that would be really silly. However, enlighnement is the realization that all is one, that all is one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Maybe Ramana simply was joking when he told his followers about > his > > > > enlightened cow. :-] > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what I mean......It doesn't occur to them that Ramana was > > flat out wrong. > > > > > > t. > > > > Or maybe he was pointing out that everything is enlightened, > inluding > > the cow, and the only thing that is not enlightened is an illusion. > > > > /AL > > > AL, are you saying that illusions have qualities, > such as, un-enlightened? > > what is an illusion? > something that is not there? > how do you know what is there > and what is not there? > > f. Everything is. The illusion is the belief that not everything is. /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > > those replies. > > > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > > > > > > > Diana, > > > > > > Is it possible that Ramana was wrong? > > > > Was everything that came from his mouth true? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > What comes from anyone's mouth is what comes > from someone's mouth. Do with it what you > will. > > What are wrong/right, true/untrue, save > measurements made by intellect? > > What in essence are all the pointings, > but an invitation to see if there's anything > beyond that measuring mind? The mind's attempt to see beyond its self.....are futile. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Hi Diana and Pete! <S> But consider he is actually right: There is no one there. Only an answering machine programmed to search every received message for a positive statement, negating it, and send it back. Or every now and then, automatically returning a nondual statement from a pre prepared list and add it to the recieved mail, like: " There is a bird in a bottle " " show me the bird " " mind is mind " etc That make sense? ;-) Tom nothing new hereunder > > > toombaru > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > those replies. > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > Hi Diana, > I'm blessed by living next to a suburban train station. > People park their cars and ride the train downtown. > Well, you can imagine with so many parked cars > around, at least once a week the alarm, or the horn > of one malfunctions and goes off. The first reaction, > of course, is one of irritation. Here we go again! > Same old, same old. Then I remind myself is > a mechanical thing, there is no malevolent > intention behind it, it will eventually stop, etc., > and I tune it out. Toom posts are just that, > a mechanical malfunction of an aging brain. > Beeeep Wawawa Beeep! Only when someone > like you with something intelligent and fresh to say > replies to his honking honk I bother to read. > > And you are so right, every appearance is, every > illusion, every dream, every delirium, every lie has > a physical substratum in the brain, and shows in > a cat scan. It's only in their consequences that > we can distinguish appearances. Some bear the > fruit of more appearances good or evil. Others > like night dreams are barren. > > Pete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > attemps to > > > > > > >solve it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > > eggs and > > > > > > >bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > And how beautifully, how richly it is composed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inclined to be a bit grandiose in its own self- assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything > > > > > > wrong about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > There can be nothing wrong in something that exists only as an ides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It represents the way we live our lifes. We should let > > > > > > it flow, allow it to be its very nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We " are not independent of the " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > The " we " .....(I am) is the reselt of conceptualization.....not its > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > It flows......regardless of what we think we choose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only then we might be able go > > > > > > beyond it. > > > > > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are mind-stuff. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can go beyond itself. > > > > > > > > Thinking is not the highest state for humanity according to Eckhart > > > > Tolle. If he is correct, then evolution itself can go beyind itself; > > > > it can evolve. To make what Tolle said more clear, let me add: he is > > > > not talking about removing the ability to think, thoughts can operate > > > > beautifully in this new state of awareness, he says. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced > > his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world of > > memories....... > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into a > > reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Maybe Ramana simply was joking when he told his followers about his > > enlightened cow. :-] > > > > That's what I mean......It doesn't occur to them that Ramana was flat out wrong. > > t. ** did the cow's self-attempt dissolve? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > Hi Diana and Pete! > > <S> > > But consider he is actually right: > There is no one there. > Only an answering machine > programmed to search > every received message > for a positive statement, > negating it, and send it back. > Or every now and then, automatically > returning a nondual statement > from a pre prepared list > and add it to the recieved mail, like: > " There is a bird in a bottle " > " show me the bird " > " mind is mind " etc > > That make sense? ;-) > > Tom > Those two little monkeys don't want to take their medicine. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has > experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world > of memories....... > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into > a reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > those replies. > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. ** Oh really? Not 'dis-appearing'? > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana_53231> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > > those replies. > > > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > > > > > > > Diana, > > > > > > Is it possible that Ramana was wrong? > > > > Was everything that came from his mouth true? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > What comes from anyone's mouth is what comes > from someone's mouth. Do with it what you > will. > > What are wrong/right, true/untrue, save > measurements made by intellect? > > What in essence are all the pointings, > but an invitation to see if there's anything > beyond that measuring mind? ** Nowadays, they're cash cows. Unlike Lakshmi... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > > > > attemps to > > > > > > > > >solve it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > > > > eggs and > > > > > > > > >bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how beautifully, how richly it is composed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inclined to be a bit grandiose in its own self- assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything > > > > > > > > wrong about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There can be nothing wrong in something that exists only as > > an ides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It represents the way we live our lifes. We should let > > > > > > > > it flow, allow it to be its very nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We " are not independent of the " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " we " .....(I am) is the reselt of > > conceptualization.....not its > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It flows......regardless of what we think we choose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only then we might be able go > > > > > > > > beyond it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are mind-stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can go beyond itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking is not the highest state for humanity according to > > Eckhart > > > > > > Tolle. If he is correct, then evolution itself can go beyind > > itself; > > > > > > it can evolve. To make what Tolle said more clear, let me add: > > he is > > > > > > not talking about removing the ability to think, thoughts can > > operate > > > > > > beautifully in this new state of awareness, he says. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has experienced > > > > his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > > > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world of > > > > memories....... > > > > > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into a > > > > reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Maybe Ramana simply was joking when he told his followers about his > > > > enlightened cow. :-] > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what I mean......It doesn't occur to them that Ramana was > > flat out wrong. > > > > > > t. > > > > Or maybe he was pointing out that everything is enlightened, inluding > > the cow, and the only thing that is not enlightened is an illusion. > > > > /AL > > > No. > > He was flat out wrong..........an enlightened cow?........come on! > > > toombaru ** an ignore-ant, avoidant cow....come on! ;D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > > > those replies. > > > > > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diana, > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that Ramana was wrong? > > > > > > Was everything that came from his mouth true? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > What comes from anyone's mouth is what comes > > from someone's mouth. Do with it what you > > will. > > > > What are wrong/right, true/untrue, save > > measurements made by intellect? > > > > What in essence are all the pointings, > > but an invitation to see if there's anything > > beyond that measuring mind? > > > ** Nowadays, they're cash cows. > Unlike Lakshmi... God designed cows to eat grass.....we can't eat grass.....so we eat cows...... Cows are not designed to transcend themselves.... They eats grass....and we eats them. You don't see a lot of wild cows running around these days.......If we didn't eat them....they wouldn't even be here........ I'm sure that Lakshmi was a very nice cow.....She really was pretty ...for a cow........ but she was a cow...for christ's sake..........just a cow. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " > > > <diana_53231> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > > > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > > > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > > > > those replies. > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > > > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > > > > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > > > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diana, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that Ramana was wrong? > > > > > > > > Was everything that came from his mouth true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > What comes from anyone's mouth is what comes > > > from someone's mouth. Do with it what you > > > will. > > > > > > What are wrong/right, true/untrue, save > > > measurements made by intellect? > > > > > > What in essence are all the pointings, > > > but an invitation to see if there's anything > > > beyond that measuring mind? > > > > > > ** Nowadays, they're cash cows. > > Unlike Lakshmi... > > > God designed cows to eat grass.....we can't eat grass.....so we eat cows...... > > > Cows are not designed to transcend themselves.... > > > > They eats grass....and we eats them. > > > You don't see a lot of wild cows running around these days.......If we didn't eat them....they > wouldn't even be here........ > > > > I'm sure that Lakshmi was a very nice cow.....She really was pretty ...for a cow........ > > > but > > > she was a cow...for christ's sake..........just a cow. > > > > toombaru P.S. The real issue here is not if Lakshmi was enlightened or not. (She wasn't....... by the way) The dilemma evolves around the fact that if Ramana was delusional on one point......his whole doctrine is questionable. It is preferable...to some minds.....to accept that a cow can become enlightened ......then question the logic of a venerated sage........and the accumulated baggage acquired at great expense. Does anyone recall man named Jim Jones? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/6/05 9:05:01 AM, diana_53231 writes: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has > > experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own accumulated > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different world > > of memories....... > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that into > > a reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > those replies. > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > Hi Diana, > I'm blessed by living next to a suburban train station. > People park their cars and ride the train downtown. > Well, you can imagine with so many parked cars > around, at least once a week the alarm, or the horn > of one malfunctions and goes off. The first reaction, > of course, is one of irritation. Here we go again! > Same old, same old. Then I remind myself is > a mechanical thing, there is no malevolent > intention behind it, it will eventually stop, etc., > and I tune it out. Toom posts are just that, > a mechanical malfunction of an aging brain. > Beeeep Wawawa Beeep! Only when someone > like you with something intelligent and fresh to say > replies to his honking honk I bother to read. > > And you are so right, every appearance is, every > illusion, every dream, every delirium, every lie has > a physical substratum in the brain, and shows in > a cat scan. It's only in their consequences that > we can distinguish appearances. Some bear the > fruit of more appearances good or evil. Others > like night dreams are barren. > > Pete ** I can't agree, Pete. Toom posts must be...genetically... favored. They getting........imitated....LOL. Btw, are you suggesting 'physical substratum...brain... cat scan'...general electric...are not...of....dream? Ken > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you bring the egg and goose to me..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will show you what to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then attemps > > to solve it. > > > > > > It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ eggs > > and bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > --------------------------- > > > > and yet......... > > > > you continue................. > > > > to play................ > > > > and yet........... > > > > you continue............. > > > > to deny that you are............ > > > > I guess only you know why. > > > > ~G. > > ---- > > > > Why do you assume that this self knows why it does anything? > > No " self " does......or can. > > > > toombaru ----------------------------- Why do you believe that no " self " does........or can. That's part of your game construct too yes? Oh, I'm beginning to get why you play this game. It brings some fun. It is a bit fun to play. I guess everybody plays their games. Playing those mind games......forever...... beating those mind guerillas. ~G. -------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/6/05 9:05:01 AM, diana_53231 writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mentation that flows from the mouth of one who has > > > experienced his own vacuity is drawn from with his own > accumulated > > > mentation....and then interpreted from an entirely different > world > > > of memories....... > > > > > > > > Every thing that comes from a sage in not true....... > > > > > > > > Just ask their spouses....or their teenage daughters......LOL > > > > > > > > Remember....Ramana told his followers that his cow reached > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (It is amazing how many ways Ramana addicts try to force that > into > > > a reasonalbe package) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Let me tell you i am suppressing irritation here, toomy. > > > In spite of the many ways people have told you, you > > > come down on the side of nihilism, i see you brush past > > > those replies. > > > > > > Lakshmi was 'enlightened' in the same way every appearance > > > is, by the mere 'fact' of appearing. > > > > > > You use it, often, to imply a silliness, but the silliness > > > lies in not checking in what manner it might be so. > > > > > > > Hi Diana, > > I'm blessed by living next to a suburban train station. > > People park their cars and ride the train downtown. > > Well, you can imagine with so many parked cars > > around, at least once a week the alarm, or the horn > > of one malfunctions and goes off. The first reaction, > > of course, is one of irritation. Here we go again! > > Same old, same old. Then I remind myself is > > a mechanical thing, there is no malevolent > > intention behind it, it will eventually stop, etc., > > and I tune it out. Toom posts are just that, > > a mechanical malfunction of an aging brain. > > Beeeep Wawawa Beeep! Only when someone > > like you with something intelligent and fresh to say > > replies to his honking honk I bother to read. > > > > And you are so right, every appearance is, every > > illusion, every dream, every delirium, every lie has > > a physical substratum in the brain, and shows in > > a cat scan. It's only in their consequences that > > we can distinguish appearances. Some bear the > > fruit of more appearances good or evil. Others > > like night dreams are barren. > > > > Pete This is a barren land Pete...nothing lives here.......no train leaves this station.......It is the horror of delusional separation..the realistic fear of impending doom......There is no way to sweeten it......You will never reach a place that never was........... Only palliative care is offered here......... I'm sorry.......your dreams of autonomy.........are only dreams...... Hey....but isn't that a hoot? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > <cptc@w...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you bring the egg and goose to me..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will show you what to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This .......game.........was a taste of what mind does. > > > > > > > > It imagines a problem....(egg in a bottle).......and then > attemps > > > to solve it. > > > > > > > > It has no problems......only imaginary eggs in bottles. > > > > > > > > There never was a goose egg in an unbreakable bottle. > > > > > > > > The mind is composed .....of nothing more then............ > eggs > > > and bottles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > and yet......... > > > > > > you continue................. > > > > > > to play................ > > > > > > and yet........... > > > > > > you continue............. > > > > > > to deny that you are............ > > > > > > I guess only you know why. > > > > > > ~G. > > > ---- > > > > > > > > Why do you assume that this self knows why it does anything? > > > > No " self " does......or can. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > ----------------------------- > > Why do you believe that no " self " does........or can. > > That's part of your game construct too yes? > > Oh, I'm beginning to get why you play this game. > > It brings some fun. It is a bit fun to play. > > I guess everybody plays their games. > > Playing those mind games......forever...... > > beating those mind guerillas. > > > ~G. > -------- Mind can never figure itself out....let alone...trying to figure out " another's " mind........ toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2005 > > > The mind's attempt to see beyond its self.....are futile. > > > toombaru ---------------------------- How do you know? If you can't " know " ? You have said that you can't know in enldess poetic cycles. and I enjoy them, but let's cut through the bull here for a moment. You can't kid an ole' kidder. You can try but that my dear is what's futile. It is your wedding feast toombaru and here we are all in attendance. I'm just waiting for the zombee jamboree to start singing and you can take the lead chorus verse, all the while denying there's any song going on. yowza! ~G. ---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > Maybe Ramana simply was joking when he told his followers about > > his > > > > > enlightened cow. :-] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what I mean......It doesn't occur to them that Ramana was > > > flat out wrong. > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > Or maybe he was pointing out that everything is enlightened, > > inluding > > > the cow, and the only thing that is not enlightened is an illusion. > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > AL, are you saying that illusions have qualities, > > such as, un-enlightened? > > > > what is an illusion? > > something that is not there? > > how do you know what is there > > and what is not there? > > > > f. > > Everything is. The illusion is the belief that not everything is. > > /AL ------------------------------- So, Al, my dear, if the illusion is the belief that not everything is then why are you busily attempting to *not* accept some aspects which you pointed out in a previous thread? Is it because you think some things are *right* and some are *wrong*? This then leads to choice-- which is exactly where humanity is in their evolution... beginning the process of understanding choice so they can make *different* choices -- you know, choose to think and discuss rather than pick up a gun and blow the neighbors brains out because they aren't living the way we want them too. Your questioning is quite productive because your coming from a more practical place whereas the beloved Toombaru sets a game rule that says cows can't be enlightened (paraphrasing) and yet then goes on to say that there are no such things as cows or thoughts which create the cow. Wow that takes some mental gymnastics just to figure out where our lead singer of the zombee jamboree is coming from. Anyone want to enroll in a course called " mental gymnastics 101 " ? It's all just fine...it's all working itself out...even though some will say, " what? There is " No " thing in which to work out. I say, obviously there is or you wouldn't be here. ~G. -------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
