Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 People are smart enough to learn things. We all have tha capacity to kill thought. How? Simply go from thinking to feeling. It _is_ very simple, yet a very painful and tedious experience. To go from one level of intelligence to the next requires a transformation, and that transformation itself is very painful, but once accomplished, life becomes easy. (I hope) /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 In a message dated 2/4/05 11:24:11 AM, anders_lindman writes: > People are smart enough to learn things. We all have tha capacity to > kill thought. How? Simply go from thinking to feeling. It _is_ very > simple, yet a very painful and tedious experience. To go from one > level of intelligence to the next requires a transformation, and that > transformation itself is very painful, but once accomplished, life > becomes easy. (I hope) > P: So what's stopping you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/4/05 11:24:11 AM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > People are smart enough to learn things. We all have tha capacity to > > kill thought. How? Simply go from thinking to feeling. It _is_ very > > simple, yet a very painful and tedious experience. To go from one > > level of intelligence to the next requires a transformation, and that > > transformation itself is very painful, but once accomplished, life > > becomes easy. (I hope) > > > > P: So what's stopping you? > My mind is operating so much on the level of the intellect. I feel that in order for my capacity of thinking to be upheld a rigid structure has formed in my body, such as stale areas in the back, stiff shoulders e t c. Virtually all muscles in my body are contracted, too relaxed, numbed, or painful. Physical exercise or yoga postures are not enough to loosen up this mental/physical contraction. At least, that's my experience. So when I heard about Eckhart Tolle talking about the pain body I knew what he meant. And I have known for some time the limitation of thought. A couple of years ago I mentioned the problem of thinking to someone and he told me that a guy called Eckhart Tolle had written about similar things in a book called " The Power of Now " . I am not the only one with these problems. Particularly in the west, people are suffering from many stress related diseases, which I believe are caused by a mind/body conflict. I believe people with heart problems really have a problem with the pain body which is a conflict between the confined intellect and the body. The physical heart is not only the muscle in the center of the body but also all connected blood vessels in the entire body. Even a slight variation in the flow of blood can result in a minute lowering of oxygen level in muscles and other soft tissues creating severe chronic pain in that area. Emotions and feelings are related to the heart, the nervous system and the entire complex network of electro-chemical communications in the body. When too much focus is put on thinking and intellectual processes, the rest of this system is thrown out of balance. Gradually over the years a contraction is created in the body, and also this contraction is already there in a newborn child, but it becomes hardened and more rigid as the intellect develops. This lopsided situation where the " thinking mind " has run away on its own without working in harmony with the whole has to be healed to restore the balance. A furter focusing on thinking as the solution to problems will only make the conflict worse. Therefore, the way out of this shit is to turn focus of awareness away from thought without losing touch with thought. And to answer your question: the problem is that in a mind that is conditioned to rely on thinking as the main problem solver, the shift from compulsive thinking to awareness is not a simple process. /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 In a message dated 2/5/05 2:19:23 AM, anders_lindman writes: P: Al, I feel very sympathetic because for many years I was like you. So I want you to know, that compulsive thought fades away quickly, but the right technique has to be employed. I get impatient with you when I see you whining about it, but doing all the wrong things. You are too much in love with thinking, you really don't want to give it up. You pretend you do, just as an excuse to keep thinking about it. Re-read what you wrote below and try to spot all the bullshit. Like trying to explain tension as a product of the heart. The heart is a muscle, Al. Babies have no tension, and if theydo, it has nothing to do with thought. You ramble, digress, explain, and explain, and get more confused. Do something about iT! Find Something that interest you DEEPLY, and concentrate on it, don't THink! It's interest in thought that keep you thinking, find something besides thought that grabs you ,and use it as a mindfulness sahanna. Pete > My mind is operating so much on the level of the intellect. I feel > that in order for my capacity of thinking to be upheld a rigid > structure has formed in my body, such as stale areas in the back, > stiff shoulders e t c. Virtually all muscles in my body are > contracted, too relaxed, numbed, or painful. Physical exercise or yoga > postures are not enough to loosen up this mental/physical contraction. > At least, that's my experience. So when I heard about Eckhart Tolle > talking about the pain body I knew what he meant. And I have known for > some time the limitation of thought. A couple of years ago I mentioned > the problem of thinking to someone and he told me that a guy called > Eckhart Tolle had written about similar things in a book called " The > Power of Now " . > > I am not the only one with these problems. Particularly in the west, > people are suffering from many stress related diseases, which I > believe are caused by a mind/body conflict. I believe people with > heart problems really have a problem with the pain body which is a > conflict between the confined intellect and the body. The physical > heart is not only the muscle in the center of the body but also all > connected blood vessels in the entire body. Even a slight variation in > the flow of blood can result in a minute lowering of oxygen level in > muscles and other soft tissues creating severe chronic pain in that area. > > Emotions and feelings are related to the heart, the nervous system and > the entire complex network of electro-chemical communications in the > body. When too much focus is put on thinking and intellectual > processes, the rest of this system is thrown out of balance. Gradually > over the years a contraction is created in the body, and also this > contraction is already there in a newborn child, but it becomes > hardened and more rigid as the intellect develops. > > This lopsided situation where the " thinking mind " has run away on its > own without working in harmony with the whole has to be healed to > restore the balance. A furter focusing on thinking as the solution to > problems will only make the conflict worse. Therefore, the way out of > this shit is to turn focus of awareness away from thought without > losing touch with thought. And to answer your question: the problem is > that in a mind that is conditioned to rely on thinking as the main > problem solver, the shift from compulsive thinking to awareness is not > a simple process. > > /AL > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/5/05 2:19:23 AM, anders_lindman writes: > > P: Al, I feel very sympathetic because for many years I was like you. > So I want you to know, that compulsive thought fades away quickly, > but the right technique has to be employed. I get impatient with you > when I see you whining about it, but doing all the wrong things. > You are too much in love with thinking, you really don't want to give it up. > You pretend you do, just as an excuse to keep thinking about it. Re-read > what you wrote below and try to spot all the bullshit. Like trying to > explain tension as a product of the heart. The heart is a muscle, Al. > Babies have no tension, and if theydo, it has nothing to do with thought. > You ramble, digress, explain, and explain, and get more confused. > > Do something about iT! Find Something that interest you DEEPLY, and > concentrate on it, don't THink! It's interest in thought that keep you > thinking, find something besides thought that grabs you ,and use it > as a mindfulness sahanna. > > Pete > Nope.....there is nothing " he " can do...or not do.......Thought cannot affect itself......... Tarbabies that believe they are stuck in a tar pit........can never escape. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Hi AL Was motivated to put a few comments into your post: >My mind is operating so much >on the level of the intellect. Good, that's where it belongs. >I feel that in order for my capacity >of thinking to be upheld a rigid >structure has formed in my body, >such as stale areas in the back, >stiff shoulders e t c. >Virtually all muscles in my body are >contracted, too relaxed, numbed, or painful. I acknowledge your experience of your physical condition, but not your explanation of its origin. Se below >Physical exercise or yoga postures >are not enough to loosen up this >mental/physical contraction. >At least, that's my experience. >So when I heard about Eckhart Tolle >talking about the pain body >I knew what he meant. I don´t think so. My interpretation is, that his concept: Pain body, has very little to do with the physical body. Tolle describes it as an energy field of the mind. The pain body is a purely mental structure feeding on negative thoughts and unrealistic expectations. A construction, appearing when you are arguing with reality. Allow what is, to be. All your efforts to get rid of or change what already is ….is the pain body >And I have known for some time >the limitation of thought. >A couple of years ago I mentioned >the problem of thinking to someone >and he told me that a guy called >Eckhart Tolle had written about >similar things in a book called > " The Power of Now " . >I am not the only one with these problems. >Particularly in the west, people are suffering >from many stress related diseases, which I >believe are caused by a mind/body conflict. LOL You are certainly not alone. Here in Sweden, almost ¼ of the workforce Are on sick-leave for those reasons. May I suggest their problems are caused rather by mind/mind conflicts. Our bodies are as good as they are. Some bodies of better construct than others all depending on the initial drawings, they were constructed from (DNA - our genes) For their smooth autonomous functioning they need as little interference from the mind as possible. Use your mind to render optimal, macroscopic conditions: Consume healthy food, avoid accidents and exposure to poisons and diseases. Exercise and keep the body warm and clean. Then leave it to itself. >I believe people with heart problems >really have a problem with the pain body >which is a conflict between the confined >intellect and the body. The physical >heart is not only the muscle >in the center of the body but also all >connected blood vessels in the entire body. Anatomically speaking, the heart is the heart. The vessels are the vessels. It sounds like you are here referring to The cardiovascular system This whole system has its own intelligence that should not be tampered with by the mind. >Even a slight variation in the flow of blood >can result in a minute lowering of oxygen level >in muscles and other soft tissues creating >severe chronic pain in that area. Such muscle pain is caused by lactic acid accumulation, which requires rather prolonged low oxygen tension. Like when abnormal sceletal muscletension obstructs their natural blood flow. >Emotions and feelings are related to the heart, >the nervous system and the entire complex network >of electro-chemical communications in the body. Yes it all works together in beautiful harmony. >When too much focus is put on thinking and intellectual >processes, the rest of this system is thrown out of balance. Suggestion: When the mind is overly concerned with the functioning of the body, not wanting this or that condition to prevail the autonomous, intelligent functioning of the organ systems can be disturbed. >Gradually over the years a contraction is created in the body, Yes! >and also this contraction is already there in a newborn child, Don't think so! >but it becomes hardened and more rigid as the intellect develops. Yes! >This lopsided situation where the " thinking mind " has run away >on its own without working in harmony with the whole has to be >healed to restore the balance. Yes! The healing takes place automatically, once the mind stops interfering >A furter focusing on thinking as the solution to >problems will only make the conflict worse. How about: Stop identifying with your thoughts? >Therefore, the way out of this shit is to turn >focus of awareness away from thought without >losing touch with thought. How about: Accept what is and… stop believing what your thoughts tell you? >And to answer your question: the problem is >that in a mind that is conditioned to rely on thinking as the main >problem solver, the shift from compulsive thinking to awareness is not >a simple process. It's not a process. Its letting go of a habit. It's like smoking – either you smoke or you don't. Have you heard people saying: I'm trying to quit smoking? And they smoke along year after year. Having a bad feeling about themselves. Really, they were better of enjoying there smoking fully ;-) /AL I´ve been watching the energy you display here, AL So. In friendliness, for your consideration: Could your increased muscle tonus rather be caused by a combination of prolonged typing/reading on your PC and chronic non acceptance with your life conditions or your life situation or body functions? Tom Coming with peace ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/5/05 2:19:23 AM, anders_lindman writes: > > P: Al, I feel very sympathetic because for many years I was like you. > So I want you to know, that compulsive thought fades away quickly, > but the right technique has to be employed. I get impatient with you > when I see you whining about it, but doing all the wrong things. > You are too much in love with thinking, you really don't want to give it up. > You pretend you do, just as an excuse to keep thinking about it. Re-read > what you wrote below and try to spot all the bullshit. Like trying to > explain tension as a product of the heart. The heart is a muscle, Al. > Babies have no tension, and if theydo, it has nothing to do with thought. > You ramble, digress, explain, and explain, and get more confused. > > Do something about iT! Find Something that interest you DEEPLY, and > concentrate on it, don't THink! It's interest in thought that keep you > thinking, find something besides thought that grabs you ,and use it > as a mindfulness sahanna. > > Pete Thanks Pete, " .......don't be afraid of having nothing to do.......................It's your DOING that wrecks everything! " -- Vernon Howard > > > > My mind is operating so much on the level of the intellect. I feel > > that in order for my capacity of thinking to be upheld a rigid > > structure has formed in my body, such as stale areas in the back, > > stiff shoulders e t c. Virtually all muscles in my body are > > contracted, too relaxed, numbed, or painful. Physical exercise or yoga > > postures are not enough to loosen up this mental/physical contraction. > > At least, that's my experience. So when I heard about Eckhart Tolle > > talking about the pain body I knew what he meant. And I have known for > > some time the limitation of thought. A couple of years ago I mentioned > > the problem of thinking to someone and he told me that a guy called > > Eckhart Tolle had written about similar things in a book called " The > > Power of Now " . > > > > I am not the only one with these problems. Particularly in the west, > > people are suffering from many stress related diseases, which I > > believe are caused by a mind/body conflict. I believe people with > > heart problems really have a problem with the pain body which is a > > conflict between the confined intellect and the body. The physical > > heart is not only the muscle in the center of the body but also all > > connected blood vessels in the entire body. Even a slight variation in > > the flow of blood can result in a minute lowering of oxygen level in > > muscles and other soft tissues creating severe chronic pain in that area. > > > > Emotions and feelings are related to the heart, the nervous system and > > the entire complex network of electro-chemical communications in the > > body. When too much focus is put on thinking and intellectual > > processes, the rest of this system is thrown out of balance. Gradually > > over the years a contraction is created in the body, and also this > > contraction is already there in a newborn child, but it becomes > > hardened and more rigid as the intellect develops. > > > > This lopsided situation where the " thinking mind " has run away on its > > own without working in harmony with the whole has to be healed to > > restore the balance. A furter focusing on thinking as the solution to > > problems will only make the conflict worse. Therefore, the way out of > > this shit is to turn focus of awareness away from thought without > > losing touch with thought. And to answer your question: the problem is > > that in a mind that is conditioned to rely on thinking as the main > > problem solver, the shift from compulsive thinking to awareness is not > > a simple process. > > > > /AL > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > Hi AL > > Was motivated to put a few comments > into your post: > > >My mind is operating so much > >on the level of the intellect. > > Good, that's where it belongs. > > >I feel that in order for my capacity > >of thinking to be upheld a rigid > >structure has formed in my body, > >such as stale areas in the back, > >stiff shoulders e t c. > >Virtually all muscles in my body are > >contracted, too relaxed, numbed, or painful. > > I acknowledge your experience of your > physical condition, but not > your explanation of its origin. > Se below > > >Physical exercise or yoga postures > >are not enough to loosen up this > >mental/physical contraction. > >At least, that's my experience. > >So when I heard about Eckhart Tolle > >talking about the pain body > >I knew what he meant. > > I don´t think so. > My interpretation is, that his > concept: Pain body, has very little > to do with the physical body. > Tolle describes it as an > energy field of the mind. > The pain body is a purely > mental structure feeding on > negative thoughts and unrealistic > expectations. > A construction, appearing > when you are arguing with reality. > Allow what is, to be. > All your efforts to get rid of > or change what already is > ….is the pain body Hi Tom Mind and physical body are connected. They are one field one could say. > > > >And I have known for some time > >the limitation of thought. > >A couple of years ago I mentioned > >the problem of thinking to someone > >and he told me that a guy called > >Eckhart Tolle had written about > >similar things in a book called > > " The Power of Now " . > >I am not the only one with these problems. > >Particularly in the west, people are suffering > >from many stress related diseases, which I > >believe are caused by a mind/body conflict. > > LOL You are certainly not alone. > Here in Sweden, almost ¼ of the workforce > Are on sick-leave for those reasons. > May I suggest their problems are caused > rather by mind/mind conflicts. You cannot separate mind from body as an object. > Our bodies are as good as they are. > Some bodies of better construct than others > all depending on the initial drawings, > they were constructed from (DNA - our genes) > For their smooth autonomous functioning they need > as little interference from the mind as possible. > Use your mind to render optimal, macroscopic > conditions: Consume healthy food, avoid accidents > and exposure to poisons and diseases. > Exercise and keep the body warm and clean. > Then leave it to itself. I suggest that it is all this " doing " things in order to feel better that is a part of the problem instead of a true solution. > > >I believe people with heart problems > >really have a problem with the pain body > >which is a conflict between the confined > >intellect and the body. The physical > >heart is not only the muscle > >in the center of the body but also all > >connected blood vessels in the entire body. > > Anatomically speaking, the heart is the heart. > The vessels are the vessels. > It sounds like you are here referring to > The cardiovascular system > This whole system has its own intelligence > that should not be tampered with by the mind. There cannot be any functioning of the heart without blood vessels, and there cannot be any meaningful functioning of blood vessels without a heart. Science today is so fond of separating the world into objects and then treating those mental constructs as being valid descriptions of reality. Science today is immature. The human condition at large is immature. Our view of things is to a large extent immature. > > >Even a slight variation in the flow of blood > >can result in a minute lowering of oxygen level > >in muscles and other soft tissues creating > >severe chronic pain in that area. > > Such muscle pain is caused by lactic acid accumulation, > which requires rather prolonged low oxygen tension. > Like when abnormal sceletal muscletension obstructs > their natural blood flow. That's a very limited explanation of what pain _is_. The relation between emotions/thoughts and the body is poorly understood today. > > >Emotions and feelings are related to the heart, > >the nervous system and the entire complex network > >of electro-chemical communications in the body. > > Yes it all works together in beautiful harmony. Nope. Rare is the individual person where mind and body are in harmony. > > >When too much focus is put on thinking and intellectual > >processes, the rest of this system is thrown out of balance. > > Suggestion: > When the mind is overly concerned with the functioning > of the body, not wanting this or that condition to prevail > the autonomous, intelligent functioning > of the organ systems can be disturbed. > > >Gradually over the years a contraction is created in the body, > > Yes! I am glad you agree to at least some thing I wrote. > > >and also this contraction is already there in a newborn child, > > Don't think so! Pete did't think so either. You two are the result of immature thinking. I know better than you. ;-) > > >but it becomes hardened and more rigid as the intellect develops. > > Yes! > > >This lopsided situation where the " thinking mind " has run away > >on its own without working in harmony with the whole has to be > >healed to restore the balance. > > Yes! > The healing takes place automatically, > once the mind stops interfering > > >A furter focusing on thinking as the solution to > >problems will only make the conflict worse. > > How about: Stop identifying with your thoughts? That will create a new kind of separation, but maybe a healthy one. I 'll maybe try this as an experiement. > > >Therefore, the way out of this shit is to turn > >focus of awareness away from thought without > >losing touch with thought. > > How about: Accept what is and… > stop believing what your thoughts tell you? Why should I believe the thoughts from other people and stop believing my own thoughts? > > >And to answer your question: the problem is > >that in a mind that is conditioned to rely on thinking as the main > >problem solver, the shift from compulsive thinking to awareness is > not > >a simple process. > > It's not a process. Its letting go of a habit. > It's like smoking – either you smoke or you don't. > Have you heard people saying: I'm trying to quit smoking? > And they smoke along year after year. > Having a bad feeling about themselves. > Really, they were better of > enjoying there smoking fully ;-) Yes, sometimes I have an idea that our mental state is affecting bodily conditions. For example if a person believs himself or herself to get better when taking certain pills, then the _belief_ itself can produce results: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2000/100_heal.html > > /AL > > I´ve been watching the energy you display here, AL > So. In friendliness, for your consideration: > Could your increased muscle tonus rather be caused > by a combination of prolonged typing/reading > on your PC and chronic non acceptance with your life > conditions or your life situation or body functions? > > Tom > Coming with peace ;-) Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. /AK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > /AK No, Anders Accepting life, is the best ;-)) Tom Snipping unjustly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > /AK > > No, Anders > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > Tom > Snipping unjustly. Trying to accept life.....isn't accepting it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > /AK > > No, Anders > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > Tom > Snipping unjustly. I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition being as it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > /AK > > > > No, Anders > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > Tom > > Snipping unjustly. > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition being as > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > /AL No......it is not. t. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > No, Anders > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > Tom > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition being as > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > /AL > > > > No......it is not. > > > t. Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition being as > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > t. > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. No...it is not. t. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Yes, I know, Anders. Just could not resist the temptation to " misunderstand " ;-) And I still suggest that your perceived dissatisfaction with your life is caused by this nonacceptance. Listen to Tolle: Surrender to (totally accept) the now. Thereby rendering your feverish attempts to think yourself some way out of reality unnecessary, and releasing some mental activity for the purpose of remembering your pin codes ;-) Best wishes, Tom > > No, Anders > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > Tom > > Snipping unjustly. > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > being as it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > Yes, I know, Anders. > Just could not resist the temptation to > " misunderstand " ;-) > And I still suggest that your perceived > dissatisfaction with your life > is caused by this nonacceptance. One cannot cure an imaginary disease with an imaginary medicine. toombaru > Listen to Tolle: > Surrender to (totally accept) the now. > Thereby rendering your feverish attempts > to think yourself some way out of reality > unnecessary, and releasing some mental activity > for the purpose of remembering your pin codes ;-) > > Best wishes, Tom > > > > No, Anders > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > Tom > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > > being as it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > Yes, I know, Anders. > Just could not resist the temptation to > " misunderstand " ;-) > And I still suggest that your perceived > dissatisfaction with your life > is caused by this nonacceptance. > Listen to Tolle: > Surrender to (totally accept) the now. > Thereby rendering your feverish attempts > to think yourself some way out of reality > unnecessary, and releasing some mental activity > for the purpose of remembering your pin codes ;-) > > Best wishes, Tom Did Tolle say that thing about pin codes? :-) > > > > No, Anders > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > Tom > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > > being as it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > being as > > > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. > > > > > > > > No...it is not. > > > > > > t. > > LOL > > Now I am bit happier, but the conflict is still there. If you have a goose egg in a bottle.....and the egg is about to hatch........how do you get the egg out ,,,,,,,,,,,without breaking the bottle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > > being as > > > > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. > > > > > > > > > > > > No...it is not. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > LOL > > > > Now I am bit happier, but the conflict is still there. > > > > > > If you have a goose egg in a bottle.....and the egg is about to hatch........how do you get > the egg out ,,,,,,,,,,,without breaking the bottle? That's easy. Just teleport the bottle to another location in space, but leave the goose egg unteleported. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > > > being as > > > > > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No...it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > Now I am bit happier, but the conflict is still there. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a goose egg in a bottle.....and the egg is about to > hatch........how do you get > > the egg out ,,,,,,,,,,,without breaking the bottle? > > That's easy. Just teleport the bottle to another location in space, > but leave the goose egg unteleported. How do you get the egg out of the bottle? t. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > > > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > > > > being as > > > > > > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No...it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Now I am bit happier, but the conflict is still there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a goose egg in a bottle.....and the egg is about to > > hatch........how do you get > > > the egg out ,,,,,,,,,,,without breaking the bottle? > > > > That's easy. Just teleport the bottle to another location in space, > > but leave the goose egg unteleported. > > > > How do you get the egg out of the bottle? > > > t. The goose is hatching........... How do you get the goose out of the bottle? t. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > > > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > > > > being as > > > > > > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No...it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > Now I am bit happier, but the conflict is still there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a goose egg in a bottle.....and the egg is about to > > hatch........how do you get > > > the egg out ,,,,,,,,,,,without breaking the bottle? > > > > That's easy. Just teleport the bottle to another location in space, > > but leave the goose egg unteleported. > > > > How do you get the egg out of the bottle? > > > t. I myself would break the bottle so that the egg could come out. ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > > > > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > > > > > being as > > > > > > > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No...it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > Now I am bit happier, but the conflict is still there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a goose egg in a bottle.....and the egg is about to > > > hatch........how do you get > > > > the egg out ,,,,,,,,,,,without breaking the bottle? > > > > > > That's easy. Just teleport the bottle to another location in space, > > > but leave the goose egg unteleported. > > > > > > > > How do you get the egg out of the bottle? > > > > > > t. > > > The goose is hatching........... > > How do you get the goose out of the bottle? > > > t. The baby goose is going to need food and water....but it will soon outgrow the bottle............What are you going to do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > > > > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my > condition > > > > > being as > > > > > > > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No...it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > Now I am bit happier, but the conflict is still there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a goose egg in a bottle.....and the egg is about to > > > hatch........how do you get > > > > the egg out ,,,,,,,,,,,without breaking the bottle? > > > > > > That's easy. Just teleport the bottle to another location in space, > > > but leave the goose egg unteleported. > > > > > > > > How do you get the egg out of the bottle? > > > > > > t. > > I myself would break the bottle so that the egg could come out. ;-) I told you.....You can't break the bottle.... Time is running out. What are you going to do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonacceptance with life is probably the best answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Anders > > > > > > > > > > Accepting life, is the best ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Snipping unjustly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that as an answer to your question about my condition > > > > > being as > > > > > > > > > it is. Nonacceptance of life is my present condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No......it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least inner conflict is my present state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No...it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > Now I am bit happier, but the conflict is still there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a goose egg in a bottle.....and the egg is about to > > > hatch........how do you get > > > > the egg out ,,,,,,,,,,,without breaking the bottle? > > > > > > That's easy. Just teleport the bottle to another location in space, > > > but leave the goose egg unteleported. > > > > > > > > How do you get the egg out of the bottle? > > > > > > t. > > > The goose is hatching........... > > How do you get the goose out of the bottle? > > > t. I'll smash the bottle to bloody pieces! Ooops! Did I also smash the egg? /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
