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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:57:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> > Someone says something......the neurons in this synaptic complex begin

> to

> > sizzle........the fingers begin to type and as I read what comes

> > through........sometimes........I am left breathless.

> >

> >

> > I search for words to articulate the clarity that is ever-present

> > and.......you know.......by golly......they always fall short by a mile.

> >

> > But I have fun shooting arrows at the moon.

> >

> > It is known that the attempt is futile........but every once in a

> > while.....one makes the most beautiful arch before it returns to the

> earth.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > ***What self serving nonsense.....

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> You are not self serving?

toombaru

>

>

>

> ***No, I'm not. Not unless you choose to distort my meaning.

 

 

words?

 

" you " ?

 

" I " ?

 

" choose " ?

 

" meaning " ?

 

what self serving bullshit.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta

Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:51 PM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:41 PM

> Re: Perceiving

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>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > geo> Memory, repetition, good, bad, need, no-need, survival.

> > With evolution, society...all that stuff...man invented new needs and

> > the

> > inner entity became more complex in a psichological field.

>

> Except that it still has never been able to be there.

>

> How complex can something become, that has never had a way to be there in

> the first place?

>

> The illusion of " becoming " for an imagined self has become more complex.

> There are more ways for a self-image to develop in a more complex society.

>

> -- D.

>

> Yes. No real entity in there. What is complex is the net of conditionings.

> Somehow this inner complexity createa a halo that has a certain

> stability...and the illusion is formed.

> -geo-

 

it's only there to whatever extent you believe it to be.

 

the complexity.

 

the " inner. "

 

geo>And there is no graduality in this belief

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta

Friday, May 29, 2009 12:14 AM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:53:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> dan330033 writes:

>

> Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/28/2009 3:44:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > dan330033@ writes:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 1:13:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > dan330033@ writes:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:05:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

>

> > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ***It's just happening now. That's all.

> > > >

> > > > Where?

> > > >

> > > > -- D.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ***Here.

> > >

> > > Where is here?

> > >

> > > I don't see it.

> > >

> > > -- D.

> >

> >

> > If I don't see it, I don't need a label for it.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> >

> >

> > ****You have used labels for many 'things' you don't see.

>

>

> Are you sure?

>

> Where are they?

>

> -- D.

>

>

>

> ***I'm with Geo, I don't like to play word games either.

>

>

>

 

You ARE a word game.

 

toombaru

 

Haa...thats good.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tim G.

Nisargadatta

Friday, May 29, 2009 3:00 AM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > geo> Memory, repetition, good, bad, need, no-need, survival.

> > With evolution, society...all that stuff...man invented new needs and

> > the

> > inner entity became more complex in a psichological field.

>

> Except that it still has never been able to be there.

>

> How complex can something become, that has never had a way to be

> there in the first place?

 

Infinitely, eh?

 

Infinity is the opposite of nothing.

 

geo> I can not agree with this tim. Fortunately no matter how complex those

miss-conections happen they are always limited! That is what allows us to

" stamp " them. Its limitedness, its boundness is what allows us to see this

totality that is called consciousness as one movement. All that limited

complexity happens in a quite narrow field.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/29/2009 8:20:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dan330033 writes:

 

Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > > ***What self serving nonsense..... If there would be no more self-serving nonsense posted on this list, how many posts would there be?.d.

****None, but not because folks aren't capable of more. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:57:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> > Someone says something......the neurons in this synaptic complex begin

> to

> > sizzle........the fingers begin to type and as I read what comes

> > through........sometimes........I am left breathless.

> >

> >

> > I search for words to articulate the clarity that is ever-present

> > and.......you know.......by golly......they always fall short by a mile.

> >

> > But I have fun shooting arrows at the moon.

> >

> > It is known that the attempt is futile........but every once in a

> > while.....one makes the most beautiful arch before it returns to the

> earth.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > ***What self serving nonsense.....

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> You are not self serving?

toombaru

>

>

>

> ***No, I'm not. Not unless you choose to distort my meaning.

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

You have your very own meaning?

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:53:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 3:44:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 1:13:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > > > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:05:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight

Time,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ***It's just happening now. That's all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Where?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- D.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ***Here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where is here?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't see it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I don't see it, I don't need a label for it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ****You have used labels for many 'things' you don't see.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you sure?

> > > > >

> > > > > Where are they?

> > > > >

> > > > > -- D.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ***I'm with Geo, I don't like to play word games either.

> > > >

> > > > It's not a word game.

> > > >

> > > > It's an invitation.

> > > >

> > > > To perception unlabeled.

> > > >

> > > > Can you sit a label in a chair?

> > > >

> > > > Labels: only there as much as you believe them to be there, only there

as much as you react to them.

> > > >

> > > > .D.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Conceptual mind and its spurious self cannot " sse " anything unless it has

a label for it.

> > >

> > > Can you think of anything that doesn't have a name.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> > I agree.

> >

> > .D.

> >

>

>

>

> Can the conceptual mind have assess to that which it imagines lies beyond its

purview?

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

no, young skywalker.

 

the " it " behind the imagining is not.

 

grasping it, is not.

 

 

..yoda.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:53:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 3:44:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > > > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 1:13:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight

Time,

> > > > > > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:05:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight

Time,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dan330033@ writes:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ***It's just happening now. That's all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Where?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -- D.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ***Here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Where is here?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't see it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- D.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I don't see it, I don't need a label for it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- D.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ****You have used labels for many 'things' you don't see.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you sure?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where are they?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ***I'm with Geo, I don't like to play word games either.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's not a word game.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's an invitation.

> > > > >

> > > > > To perception unlabeled.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you sit a label in a chair?

> > > > >

> > > > > Labels: only there as much as you believe them to be there, only there

as much as you react to them.

> > > > >

> > > > > .D.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Conceptual mind and its spurious self cannot " sse " anything unless it

has a label for it.

> > > >

> > > > Can you think of anything that doesn't have a name.

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > I agree.

> > >

> > > .D.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Can the conceptual mind have assess to that which it imagines lies beyond

its purview?

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> no, young skywalker.

>

> the " it " behind the imagining is not.

>

> grasping it, is not.

>

>

> .yoda.

 

 

yada.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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>

>

> ***What self serving nonsense.....

 

If there would be no more self-serving nonsense posted on this list, how many

posts would there be?

 

..d.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > geo> Memory, repetition, good, bad, need, no-need, survival.

> > > With evolution, society...all that stuff...man invented new needs and the

> > > inner entity became more complex in a psichological field.

> >

> > Except that it still has never been able to be there.

> >

> > How complex can something become, that has never had a way to be

> > there in the first place?

>

> Infinitely, eh?

>

> Infinity is the opposite of nothing.

 

I am too simple to understand anything that has been said.

 

..d.

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:57:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> > Someone says something......the neurons in this synaptic complex begin

> to

> > sizzle........the fingers begin to type and as I read what comes

> > through........sometimes........I am left breathless.

> >

> >

> > I search for words to articulate the clarity that is ever-present

> > and.......you know.......by golly......they always fall short by a mile.

> >

> > But I have fun shooting arrows at the moon.

> >

> > It is known that the attempt is futile........but every once in a

> > while.....one makes the most beautiful arch before it returns to the

> earth.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > ***What self serving nonsense.....

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> You are not self serving?

toombaru

>

>

>

> ***No, I'm not. Not unless you choose to distort my meaning.

 

 

pffft.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > ***What self serving nonsense.....

>

> If there would be no more self-serving nonsense posted on this list, how many

posts would there be?

>

> .d.

 

 

there wouldn't be this list if the nonsense ended what do you mean?

 

do you entertain the notion that what you just posted is not nonsense?

 

silly guy.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:51 PM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:41 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > geo> Memory, repetition, good, bad, need, no-need, survival.

> > > With evolution, society...all that stuff...man invented new needs and

> > > the

> > > inner entity became more complex in a psichological field.

> >

> > Except that it still has never been able to be there.

> >

> > How complex can something become, that has never had a way to be there in

> > the first place?

> >

> > The illusion of " becoming " for an imagined self has become more complex.

> > There are more ways for a self-image to develop in a more complex society.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> > Yes. No real entity in there. What is complex is the net of conditionings.

> > Somehow this inner complexity createa a halo that has a certain

> > stability...and the illusion is formed.

> > -geo-

>

> it's only there to whatever extent you believe it to be.

>

> the complexity.

>

> the " inner. "

>

> geo>And there is no graduality in this belief

>

 

no graduality.

 

no belief has been built.

 

flying.

 

..

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:51 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:41 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > geo> Memory, repetition, good, bad, need, no-need, survival.

> > > > With evolution, society...all that stuff...man invented new needs and

> > > > the

> > > > inner entity became more complex in a psichological field.

> > >

> > > Except that it still has never been able to be there.

> > >

> > > How complex can something become, that has never had a way to be there in

> > > the first place?

> > >

> > > The illusion of " becoming " for an imagined self has become more complex.

> > > There are more ways for a self-image to develop in a more complex society.

> > >

> > > -- D.

> > >

> > > Yes. No real entity in there. What is complex is the net of conditionings.

> > > Somehow this inner complexity createa a halo that has a certain

> > > stability...and the illusion is formed.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > it's only there to whatever extent you believe it to be.

> >

> > the complexity.

> >

> > the " inner. "

> >

> > geo>And there is no graduality in this belief

> >

>

> no graduality.

>

> no belief has been built.

>

> flying.

>

> .

 

 

" graduality " ??

 

ho ho!

 

i like word games.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/29/2009 8:20:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> dan330033 writes:

>

> Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > ***What self serving nonsense.....

>

> If there would be no more self-serving nonsense posted on this list, how

> many posts would there be?

>

> .d.

>

>

> ****None, but not because folks aren't capable of more.

 

 

 

nice proof regarding the nonsense.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/29/2009 8:20:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > dan330033@ writes:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***What self serving nonsense.....

> >

> > If there would be no more self-serving nonsense posted on this list, how

> > many posts would there be?

> >

> > .d.

> >

> >

> > ****None, but not because folks aren't capable of more.

>

>

>

> nice proof regarding the nonsense.

>

> .b b.b.

 

 

true.

 

..d.

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