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roberibus111

Nisargadatta

Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:51 AM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:22:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> dan330033 writes:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > >

> > > > No, not at all.

> > > >

> > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > >

> > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> " now "

> > > is a matter of curiosity here.

> > >

> > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > >

> > > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining

> to the

> > > dream - only the end.

> >

> >

> >

> > if there is no beginning..there is no end.

> >

> > if there were..

> >

> > it could be turned around.

> >

> > the end would then be the beginning that's all.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.

>

> it ends as it begins.

>

> beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> -- D.

>

>

> ***It's just happening now. That's all.

 

that doesn't say anything regarding anything.

 

that's all.

 

..b b.b.

 

It is you who are saying it...as you are saying something.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta

Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > >

> > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > >

> > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > >

> > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > >

> > > For some reason, I like that term.

> >

> > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your response

> > to

> > this question.

>

> The body is an event through awareness.

>

> Does any event occur in separation?

>

> Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

>

> Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

>

> The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

>

> The ending of one movement begins another.

>

> This is multidimensional and transpatial.

>

> -- D.

>

> geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> body/consciousness,

> then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

 

The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place, from

which to project anything.

 

The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole time.

 

The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

 

When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

 

What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center, used

to collect memories.

 

Nothing actual is gone.

 

All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

 

The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

beginninglessly and endlessly.

 

-- D.

 

The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the species. For

some reason we invested all in that center.

It thought that it had a life of its own.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:51 AM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:22:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > dan330033@ writes:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Tim G.

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM

> > > > Re: Perceiving

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > >

> > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > " now "

> > > > is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > >

> > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > >

> > > > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining

> > to the

> > > > dream - only the end.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if there is no beginning..there is no end.

> > >

> > > if there were..

> > >

> > > it could be turned around.

> > >

> > > the end would then be the beginning that's all.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.

> >

> > it ends as it begins.

> >

> > beginninglessly and endlessly.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> >

> > ***It's just happening now. That's all.

>

> that doesn't say anything regarding anything.

>

> that's all.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> It is you who are saying it...as you are saying something.

> -geo-

 

 

you IS saying something?

 

how?

 

what's a " something " ?

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

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dan330033

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03 PM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:21 PM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > >

> > > > No, not at all.

> > > >

> > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > >

> > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > > " now "

> > > is a matter of curiosity here.

> > >

> > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > >

> > > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining

> > > to

> > > the

> > > dream - only the end.

> >

> >

> >

> > if there is no beginning..there is no end.

> >

> > if there were..

> >

> > it could be turned around.

> >

> > the end would then be the beginning that's all.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.

>

> it ends as it begins.

>

> beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> -- D.

>

> Are you also referring to the dream?

> -geo-

 

Conceptuality is the dream.

 

Conceptuality is beginnings in endings, beginninglessly and endlessly.

 

Conceptuality arises through the nonconceptual and is never separate from

it.

 

-- D.

 

Yes. The map has been lais out.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > > >

> > > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > >

> > > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > > >

> > > > For some reason, I like that term.

> > >

> > > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your response

> > > to

> > > this question.

> >

> > The body is an event through awareness.

> >

> > Does any event occur in separation?

> >

> > Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

> >

> > Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

> >

> > The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

> >

> > The ending of one movement begins another.

> >

> > This is multidimensional and transpatial.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> > geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> > body/consciousness,

> > then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

>

> The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place, from

> which to project anything.

>

> The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole time.

>

> The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

>

> When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

>

> What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center, used

> to collect memories.

>

> Nothing actual is gone.

>

> All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

>

> The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

> beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> -- D.

>

> The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the species. For

> some reason we invested all in that center.

> It thought that it had a life of its own.

> -geo-

 

 

 

just exactly what is this " center " the center of?

 

in Canada we spell it centre.

 

it still doesn't make any sense..or nonsense.

 

if there is a center there must be a circumference..

 

by definition and form.

 

there isn't.

 

there is no " center " .

 

not even a Grand Central.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta

Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:54 AM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > > >

> > > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable

> > > > > to

> > > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > >

> > > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > > >

> > > > For some reason, I like that term.

> > >

> > > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your

> > > response

> > > to

> > > this question.

> >

> > The body is an event through awareness.

> >

> > Does any event occur in separation?

> >

> > Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

> >

> > Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

> >

> > The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

> >

> > The ending of one movement begins another.

> >

> > This is multidimensional and transpatial.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> > geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> > body/consciousness,

> > then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

>

> The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place, from

> which to project anything.

>

> The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole time.

>

> The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

>

> When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

>

> What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center, used

> to collect memories.

>

> Nothing actual is gone.

>

> All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

>

> The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

> beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> -- D.

>

> The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the species.

> For

> some reason we invested all in that center.

> It thought that it had a life of its own.

> -geo-

 

just exactly what is this " center " the center of?

 

in Canada we spell it centre.

 

it still doesn't make any sense..or nonsense.

 

if there is a center there must be a circumference..

 

by definition and form.

 

there isn't.

 

there is no " center " .

 

not even a Grand Central.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

 

What is that center? hmmmm....good question.

..........?.........#........ " .........

 

I would say it is what allows the body to feel pain, hot, cold, hunguer, the

basic needs to sirvive. I dont feel the pain of other bodies neither their

hunguer.... so this localized something is the organic centre.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:54 AM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > > >

> > > > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > > > >

> > > > > For some reason, I like that term.

> > > >

> > > > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your

> > > > response

> > > > to

> > > > this question.

> > >

> > > The body is an event through awareness.

> > >

> > > Does any event occur in separation?

> > >

> > > Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

> > >

> > > Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

> > >

> > > The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

> > >

> > > The ending of one movement begins another.

> > >

> > > This is multidimensional and transpatial.

> > >

> > > -- D.

> > >

> > > geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> > > body/consciousness,

> > > then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

> >

> > The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place, from

> > which to project anything.

> >

> > The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole time.

> >

> > The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

> >

> > When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

> >

> > What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center, used

> > to collect memories.

> >

> > Nothing actual is gone.

> >

> > All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

> >

> > The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

> > beginninglessly and endlessly.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> > The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the species.

> > For

> > some reason we invested all in that center.

> > It thought that it had a life of its own.

> > -geo-

>

> just exactly what is this " center " the center of?

>

> in Canada we spell it centre.

>

> it still doesn't make any sense..or nonsense.

>

> if there is a center there must be a circumference..

>

> by definition and form.

>

> there isn't.

>

> there is no " center " .

>

> not even a Grand Central.

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

> What is that center? hmmmm....good question.

> .........?.........#........ " .........

>

> I would say it is what allows the body to feel pain, hot, cold, hunguer, the

> basic needs to sirvive. I dont feel the pain of other bodies neither their

> hunguer.... so this localized something is the organic centre.

> -geo-

 

 

so..

 

this " center " is:

 

the x mystery?

 

the " receiver " .. " attender " .. " creator " .. " feeler " ... " imaginer " of:

 

anything and everything?

 

then how is it that " you " feel the pain?

 

is it that this " center " is pawning off the pain on " you "

 

there would seem to be from what you're saying then..

 

many centers.

 

some give you pain or pleasure or boredom etc.

 

other centers do that to other than 'you " " you " s.

 

is this the " picture " of it then?

 

what is the center of all the centers.

 

is there a total circumference of " circumstances " ?

 

i don't know.

 

in fact..

 

i not only don't know that.

 

i don't know that i don't know..

 

i don't know what knowing is.

 

that would require " two " no?

 

some somewhat rendered as knower and known.

 

not being a member of the rememberers..

 

it's all laughable from Here.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta

Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:29 AM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:54 AM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not

> > > > > > applicable

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > > >

> > > > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > > > >

> > > > > For some reason, I like that term.

> > > >

> > > > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your

> > > > response

> > > > to

> > > > this question.

> > >

> > > The body is an event through awareness.

> > >

> > > Does any event occur in separation?

> > >

> > > Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

> > >

> > > Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

> > >

> > > The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

> > >

> > > The ending of one movement begins another.

> > >

> > > This is multidimensional and transpatial.

> > >

> > > -- D.

> > >

> > > geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> > > body/consciousness,

> > > then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

> >

> > The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place, from

> > which to project anything.

> >

> > The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole

> > time.

> >

> > The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

> >

> > When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

> >

> > What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center,

> > used

> > to collect memories.

> >

> > Nothing actual is gone.

> >

> > All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

> >

> > The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

> > beginninglessly and endlessly.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> > The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the species.

> > For

> > some reason we invested all in that center.

> > It thought that it had a life of its own.

> > -geo-

>

> just exactly what is this " center " the center of?

>

> in Canada we spell it centre.

>

> it still doesn't make any sense..or nonsense.

>

> if there is a center there must be a circumference..

>

> by definition and form.

>

> there isn't.

>

> there is no " center " .

>

> not even a Grand Central.

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

> What is that center? hmmmm....good question.

> .........?.........#........ " .........

>

> I would say it is what allows the body to feel pain, hot, cold, hunger,

> the

> basic needs to survive. I dont feel the pain of other bodies neither their

> hunger.... so this localized something is the organic centre.

> -geo-

 

so..

 

this " center " is:

 

the x mystery?

 

the " receiver " .. " attender " .. " creator " .. " feeler " ... " imaginer " of:

 

anything and everything?

 

geo> No. Not at all. In fact it is none of those you mention. In fact it is

not even a centre, like some spot in the body. It is an organic apparatus

that identifies the body as " this body " . Where else should I feel pain if

not in this body?

====

then how is it that " you " feel the pain?

 

is it that this " center " is pawning off the pain on " you "

 

there would seem to be from what you're saying then..

 

many centers.

 

some give you pain or pleasure or boredom etc.

 

geo> Yes, exactly. The problem is that imagination invented an inner entity

as separate from the universe that it should defend and take care off. There

is a focusing of awareness, an narrowing of awareness in some mysterious

way...and the organic apparatus now became as if an entity. With the

evolution of our mentation, we learned to invent many artificial needs that

are not needed to survive but are related to the physical and mental.

Briefly and quikly put.

===

other centers do that to other than 'you " " you " s.

 

is this the " picture " of it then?

 

what is the center of all the centers.

 

is there a total circumference of " circumstances " ?

 

i don't know.

 

in fact..

 

geo> All these centers create the non-localized center as ME or I.. These

centers, and through identification - focusing of awareness - create the

imaginary inner entity. Yes there is a circunference. This movement of and

for the center creates a dynamic circunference. It is called

self-consciousness by some. Krishnamurti calls it just consciousness.

 

But the real ground - or other name here - is not organic at all.

===

 

i not only don't know that.

 

i don't know that i don't know..

 

i don't know what knowing is.

 

that would require " two " no?

 

some somewhat rendered as knower and known.

 

not being a member of the rememberers..

 

it's all laughable from Here.

 

..b b.b.

 

From this perspective or non-pespective everything is out there...but then

it is also in.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:29 AM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:54 AM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> > > > Re: Perceiving

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not

> > > > > > > applicable

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For some reason, I like that term.

> > > > >

> > > > > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your

> > > > > response

> > > > > to

> > > > > this question.

> > > >

> > > > The body is an event through awareness.

> > > >

> > > > Does any event occur in separation?

> > > >

> > > > Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

> > > >

> > > > Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

> > > >

> > > > The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

> > > >

> > > > The ending of one movement begins another.

> > > >

> > > > This is multidimensional and transpatial.

> > > >

> > > > -- D.

> > > >

> > > > geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> > > > body/consciousness,

> > > > then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

> > >

> > > The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place, from

> > > which to project anything.

> > >

> > > The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole

> > > time.

> > >

> > > The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

> > >

> > > When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

> > >

> > > What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center,

> > > used

> > > to collect memories.

> > >

> > > Nothing actual is gone.

> > >

> > > All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

> > >

> > > The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

> > > beginninglessly and endlessly.

> > >

> > > -- D.

> > >

> > > The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the species.

> > > For

> > > some reason we invested all in that center.

> > > It thought that it had a life of its own.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > just exactly what is this " center " the center of?

> >

> > in Canada we spell it centre.

> >

> > it still doesn't make any sense..or nonsense.

> >

> > if there is a center there must be a circumference..

> >

> > by definition and form.

> >

> > there isn't.

> >

> > there is no " center " .

> >

> > not even a Grand Central.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > What is that center? hmmmm....good question.

> > .........?.........#........ " .........

> >

> > I would say it is what allows the body to feel pain, hot, cold, hunger,

> > the

> > basic needs to survive. I dont feel the pain of other bodies neither their

> > hunger.... so this localized something is the organic centre.

> > -geo-

>

> so..

>

> this " center " is:

>

> the x mystery?

>

> the " receiver " .. " attender " .. " creator " .. " feeler " ... " imaginer " of:

>

> anything and everything?

>

> geo> No. Not at all. In fact it is none of those you mention. In fact it is

> not even a centre, like some spot in the body. It is an organic apparatus

> that identifies the body as " this body " . Where else should I feel pain if

> not in this body?

 

 

you are not the body?

 

the body is " yours " but " you " feel the body's pain?

 

that's a surprise.

 

why would your body do that to you.

 

that's some kinda apparatus!

 

are you being " kind " to it?

 

 

 

 

 

> ====

> then how is it that " you " feel the pain?

>

> is it that this " center " is pawning off the pain on " you "

>

> there would seem to be from what you're saying then..

>

> many centers.

>

> some give you pain or pleasure or boredom etc.

>

> geo> Yes, exactly. The problem is that imagination invented an inner entity

> as separate from the universe that it should defend and take care off.

 

 

" who's " imagination?

 

and if it's a problem..

 

whose?

 

you have it then that imagination is what's real..

 

it is no one's..

 

it " creates " " problems " .

 

it is some kind of apparatus!

 

some deluded folks call that the devil.

 

but no matter what you call it it's just bullshit.

 

 

 

 

> There > is a focusing of awareness, an narrowing of awareness in some

mysterious

> way...and the organic apparatus now became as if an entity.

 

 

 

 

do you understand that you are saying...

 

that in the beginning there are TWO?

 

awareness and focus.

 

urge and demi-urge?

 

this is error.

 

 

 

 

 

> With the evolution of our mentation, we learned to invent many >artificial

needs that

> are not needed to survive but are related to the physical and mental.

> Briefly and quikly put.

 

 

 

there may be another place you can put that.

 

 

 

 

 

> other centers do that to other than 'you " " you " s.

>

> is this the " picture " of it then?

>

> what is the center of all the centers.

>

> is there a total circumference of " circumstances " ?

>

> i don't know.

>

> in fact..

>

> geo> All these centers create the non-localized center as ME or I.. These

> centers, and through identification - focusing of awareness - create the

> imaginary inner entity. Yes there is a circunference. This movement of and

> for the center creates a dynamic circunference. It is called

> self-consciousness by some. Krishnamurti calls it just consciousness.

 

 

 

 

i could not care less what Krishnamurti said.

 

self-consciousness is an oxymoron.

 

Krishy himself may have been in that category minus the oxy part.

 

lord have mercy and pass the oxygen.

 

or as toombaru would indicate..

 

it may have been nitrous oxide creating Krishy's thought..

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> But the real ground - or other name here - is not organic at all.

 

 

 

 

there is no " real " ground.

 

are you searching for a lightning rod?

 

 

 

 

>

> i not only don't know that.

>

> i don't know that i don't know..

>

> i don't know what knowing is.

>

> that would require " two " no?

>

> some somewhat rendered as knower and known.

>

> not being a member of the rememberers..

>

> it's all laughable from Here.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> From this perspective or non-pespective everything is out there...but then

> it is also in.

> -geo-

 

 

 

that's " out of sight " .

 

kind of an " in " thing.

 

in..out... all about..

 

what?

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:22:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dan330033 writes:Nisargadatta , "roberibus111" <Roberibus111 wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "geo" <inandor@> wrote:> >> >> > - > > Tim G.> > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM> > Re: Perceiving> >> >> >> >> >> > Nisargadatta , "dan330033" <dan330033@> wrote:> > >> > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?> > >> > > No, not at all.> > >> > > What leads you to ask that?> >> > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to > > "now"> > is a matter of curiosity here.> >> > Why would reality turn inside out?> >> > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining to > > the> > dream - only the end.>>>> if there is no beginning..there is no end.>> if there were..>> it could be turned around.>> the end would then be the beginning that's all.>> .b b.b.its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.it ends as it begins.beginninglessly and endlessly.-- D.***It's just happening now. That's all.geo> If you are referring to the dream...then it stoped happening now.The dream that is NOW is not a dream now.

 

 

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Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:22 AM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:29 AM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:54 AM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> > > > Re: Perceiving

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not

> > > > > > > applicable

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For some reason, I like that term.

> > > > >

> > > > > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your

> > > > > response

> > > > > to

> > > > > this question.

> > > >

> > > > The body is an event through awareness.

> > > >

> > > > Does any event occur in separation?

> > > >

> > > > Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

> > > >

> > > > Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

> > > >

> > > > The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

> > > >

> > > > The ending of one movement begins another.

> > > >

> > > > This is multidimensional and transpatial.

> > > >

> > > > -- D.

> > > >

> > > > geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> > > > body/consciousness,

> > > > then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

> > >

> > > The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place,

> > > from

> > > which to project anything.

> > >

> > > The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole

> > > time.

> > >

> > > The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

> > >

> > > When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

> > >

> > > What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center,

> > > used

> > > to collect memories.

> > >

> > > Nothing actual is gone.

> > >

> > > All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

> > >

> > > The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

> > > beginninglessly and endlessly.

> > >

> > > -- D.

> > >

> > > The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the

> > > species.

> > > For

> > > some reason we invested all in that center.

> > > It thought that it had a life of its own.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > just exactly what is this " center " the center of?

> >

> > in Canada we spell it centre.

> >

> > it still doesn't make any sense..or nonsense.

> >

> > if there is a center there must be a circumference..

> >

> > by definition and form.

> >

> > there isn't.

> >

> > there is no " center " .

> >

> > not even a Grand Central.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > What is that center? hmmmm....good question.

> > .........?.........#........ " .........

> >

> > I would say it is what allows the body to feel pain, hot, cold, hunger,

> > the

> > basic needs to survive. I dont feel the pain of other bodies neither

> > their

> > hunger.... so this localized something is the organic centre.

> > -geo-

>

> so..

>

> this " center " is:

>

> the x mystery?

>

> the " receiver " .. " attender " .. " creator " .. " feeler " ... " imaginer " of:

>

> anything and everything?

>

> geo> No. Not at all. In fact it is none of those you mention. In fact it

> is

> not even a centre, like some spot in the body. It is an organic apparatus

> that identifies the body as " this body " . Where else should I feel pain if

> not in this body?

 

you are not the body?

 

the body is " yours " but " you " feel the body's pain?

 

that's a surprise.

 

why would your body do that to you.

 

that's some kinda apparatus!

 

are you being " kind " to it?

 

geo> Funny. Is that a surprise to you? No, you are not the body. You are not

consciousness either...

 

 

> ====

> then how is it that " you " feel the pain?

>

> is it that this " center " is pawning off the pain on " you "

>

> there would seem to be from what you're saying then..

>

> many centers.

>

> some give you pain or pleasure or boredom etc.

>

> geo> Yes, exactly. The problem is that imagination invented an inner

> entity

> as separate from the universe that it should defend and take care off.

 

" who's " imagination?

 

geo> But that is the nature of the dream bbb! The imagination and the

imaginer are part of the dream.

===

 

and if it's a problem..

 

whose?

 

geo> The same that suffers.

==

 

you have it then that imagination is what's real..

 

it is no one's..

 

it " creates " " problems " .

 

it is some kind of apparatus!

 

some deluded folks call that the devil.

 

but no matter what you call it it's just bullshit.

 

geo> Deluded people dont call it devil or maya...they call it reallity.

=====

 

> There > is a focusing of awareness, an narrowing of awareness in some

> mysterious

> way...and the organic apparatus now became as if an entity.

 

do you understand that you are saying...

 

that in the beginning there are TWO?

 

awareness and focus.

 

urge and demi-urge?

 

this is error.

 

geo> Of course it is an error. Duality is an error.

====

 

> With the evolution of our mentation, we learned to invent many >artificial

> needs that

> are not needed to survive but are related to the physical and mental.

> Briefly and quikly put.

 

there may be another place you can put that.

 

geo> Yes...I was thinking the same. Is yours too busted up like an old

mashroom or still a bit tight?

=====

 

> other centers do that to other than 'you " " you " s.

>

> is this the " picture " of it then?

>

> what is the center of all the centers.

>

> is there a total circumference of " circumstances " ?

>

> i don't know.

>

> in fact..

>

> geo> All these centers create the non-localized center as ME or I.. These

> centers, and through identification - focusing of awareness - create the

> imaginary inner entity. Yes there is a circunference. This movement of and

> for the center creates a dynamic circunference. It is called

> self-consciousness by some. Krishnamurti calls it just consciousness.

 

i could not care less what Krishnamurti said.

 

self-consciousness is an oxymoron.

 

geo> Now you are just tossing words.

 

Krishy himself may have been in that category minus the oxy part.

 

geo> K was just an avarage man that became quite known. So Nis. So many

others. I dont have much traumas about that teacher/guru stuff, because I

never believed in one. You seem to be having a hangover. It is quite normal.

You probably overdid it some time....Maybe those nuns...they can be quite

mean...I learned.

====

 

lord have mercy and pass the oxygen.

 

or as toombaru would indicate..

 

it may have been nitrous oxide creating Krishy's thought..

 

>

> But the real ground - or other name here - is not organic at all.

 

there is no " real " ground.

 

are you searching for a lightning rod?

 

>

> i not only don't know that.

>

> i don't know that i don't know..

>

> i don't know what knowing is.

>

> that would require " two " no?

>

> some somewhat rendered as knower and known.

>

> not being a member of the rememberers..

>

> it's all laughable from Here.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> From this perspective or non-pespective everything is out there...but then

> it is also in.

> -geo-

 

that's " out of sight " .

 

kind of an " in " thing.

 

in..out... all about..

 

what?

 

geo> out...in.....all about...thing....sight....sure. Yes I understand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:22 AM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:29 AM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > roberibus111

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:54 AM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

> > > > Re: Perceiving

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> > > > > Re: Perceiving

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not

> > > > > > > > applicable

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For some reason, I like that term.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your

> > > > > > response

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > this question.

> > > > >

> > > > > The body is an event through awareness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Does any event occur in separation?

> > > > >

> > > > > Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

> > > > >

> > > > > The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

> > > > >

> > > > > The ending of one movement begins another.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is multidimensional and transpatial.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- D.

> > > > >

> > > > > geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> > > > > body/consciousness,

> > > > > then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

> > > >

> > > > The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place,

> > > > from

> > > > which to project anything.

> > > >

> > > > The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole

> > > > time.

> > > >

> > > > The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

> > > >

> > > > When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

> > > >

> > > > What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center,

> > > > used

> > > > to collect memories.

> > > >

> > > > Nothing actual is gone.

> > > >

> > > > All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

> > > >

> > > > The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

> > > > beginninglessly and endlessly.

> > > >

> > > > -- D.

> > > >

> > > > The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the

> > > > species.

> > > > For

> > > > some reason we invested all in that center.

> > > > It thought that it had a life of its own.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > just exactly what is this " center " the center of?

> > >

> > > in Canada we spell it centre.

> > >

> > > it still doesn't make any sense..or nonsense.

> > >

> > > if there is a center there must be a circumference..

> > >

> > > by definition and form.

> > >

> > > there isn't.

> > >

> > > there is no " center " .

> > >

> > > not even a Grand Central.

> > >

> > > LOL!

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > What is that center? hmmmm....good question.

> > > .........?.........#........ " .........

> > >

> > > I would say it is what allows the body to feel pain, hot, cold, hunger,

> > > the

> > > basic needs to survive. I dont feel the pain of other bodies neither

> > > their

> > > hunger.... so this localized something is the organic centre.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > so..

> >

> > this " center " is:

> >

> > the x mystery?

> >

> > the " receiver " .. " attender " .. " creator " .. " feeler " ... " imaginer " of:

> >

> > anything and everything?

> >

> > geo> No. Not at all. In fact it is none of those you mention. In fact it

> > is

> > not even a centre, like some spot in the body. It is an organic apparatus

> > that identifies the body as " this body " . Where else should I feel pain if

> > not in this body?

>

> you are not the body?

>

> the body is " yours " but " you " feel the body's pain?

>

> that's a surprise.

>

> why would your body do that to you.

>

> that's some kinda apparatus!

>

> are you being " kind " to it?

>

> geo> Funny. Is that a surprise to you? No, you are not the body. You are not

> consciousness either...

>

>

> > ====

> > then how is it that " you " feel the pain?

> >

> > is it that this " center " is pawning off the pain on " you "

> >

> > there would seem to be from what you're saying then..

> >

> > many centers.

> >

> > some give you pain or pleasure or boredom etc.

> >

> > geo> Yes, exactly. The problem is that imagination invented an inner

> > entity

> > as separate from the universe that it should defend and take care off.

>

> " who's " imagination?

>

> geo> But that is the nature of the dream bbb! The imagination and the

> imaginer are part of the dream.

> ===

>

> and if it's a problem..

>

> whose?

>

> geo> The same that suffers.

> ==

>

> you have it then that imagination is what's real..

>

> it is no one's..

>

> it " creates " " problems " .

>

> it is some kind of apparatus!

>

> some deluded folks call that the devil.

>

> but no matter what you call it it's just bullshit.

>

> geo> Deluded people dont call it devil or maya...they call it reallity.

> =====

>

> > There > is a focusing of awareness, an narrowing of awareness in some

> > mysterious

> > way...and the organic apparatus now became as if an entity.

>

> do you understand that you are saying...

>

> that in the beginning there are TWO?

>

> awareness and focus.

>

> urge and demi-urge?

>

> this is error.

>

> geo> Of course it is an error. Duality is an error.

> ====

>

> > With the evolution of our mentation, we learned to invent many >artificial

> > needs that

> > are not needed to survive but are related to the physical and mental.

> > Briefly and quikly put.

>

> there may be another place you can put that.

>

> geo> Yes...I was thinking the same. Is yours too busted up like an old

> mashroom or still a bit tight?

> =====

>

> > other centers do that to other than 'you " " you " s.

> >

> > is this the " picture " of it then?

> >

> > what is the center of all the centers.

> >

> > is there a total circumference of " circumstances " ?

> >

> > i don't know.

> >

> > in fact..

> >

> > geo> All these centers create the non-localized center as ME or I.. These

> > centers, and through identification - focusing of awareness - create the

> > imaginary inner entity. Yes there is a circunference. This movement of and

> > for the center creates a dynamic circunference. It is called

> > self-consciousness by some. Krishnamurti calls it just consciousness.

>

> i could not care less what Krishnamurti said.

>

> self-consciousness is an oxymoron.

>

> geo> Now you are just tossing words.

>

> Krishy himself may have been in that category minus the oxy part.

>

> geo> K was just an avarage man that became quite known. So Nis. So many

> others. I dont have much traumas about that teacher/guru stuff, because I

> never believed in one. You seem to be having a hangover. It is quite normal.

> You probably overdid it some time....Maybe those nuns...they can be quite

> mean...I learned.

> ====

>

> lord have mercy and pass the oxygen.

>

> or as toombaru would indicate..

>

> it may have been nitrous oxide creating Krishy's thought..

>

> >

> > But the real ground - or other name here - is not organic at all.

>

> there is no " real " ground.

>

> are you searching for a lightning rod?

>

> >

> > i not only don't know that.

> >

> > i don't know that i don't know..

> >

> > i don't know what knowing is.

> >

> > that would require " two " no?

> >

> > some somewhat rendered as knower and known.

> >

> > not being a member of the rememberers..

> >

> > it's all laughable from Here.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > From this perspective or non-pespective everything is out there...but then

> > it is also in.

> > -geo-

>

> that's " out of sight " .

>

> kind of an " in " thing.

>

> in..out... all about..

>

> what?

>

> geo> out...in.....all about...thing....sight....sure. Yes I understand.

 

 

 

 

you do?

 

i don't.

 

..b b.b.

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> > geo> out...in.....all about...thing....sight....sure. Yes I understand.

>

>

>

>

> you do?

>

> i don't.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

LOL

 

The you thinking it has it is the same one looking for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:05:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dan330033 writes:

 

> > ***It's just happening now. That's all. Where?-- D.

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Nisargadatta

Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:33 PM

Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

 

> >

> > geo> out...in.....all about...thing....sight....sure. Yes I understand.

>

>

>

>

> you do?

>

> i don't.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

LOL

 

The you thinking it has it is the same one looking for it.

 

toombaru

 

Yea.. I told him....but...

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:20:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes:

 

***It's just happening now. That's all.geo> If you are referring to the dream...then it stoped happening now.The dream that is NOW is not a dream now.*****Although it reads like it, this isn't a contest to see how convoluted our language can get. The simpler, the better.geo> I am not bbb. I dont like to play with words. When there is the seeing in the present..there is no more dream. Then what was the dream is seen for what it is: just a set of conditionings and no entity inside.

 

****Okay, thanks for clarifying. The dream doesn't stop happening. Perhaps it is seen for what it is, but it just keeps right on happening regardless. Nothing goes into freeze frame. The universe doesn't disappear.

 

 

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In a message dated 5/28/2009 1:13:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dan330033 writes:

 

Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:05:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dan330033 writes:> > > > > ***It's just happening now. That's all. > > Where?> > -- D.> > > ***Here. Where is here?I don't see it.-- D.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:33 PM

> Re: Perceiving

> >

> > > geo> out...in.....all about...thing....sight....sure. Yes I understand.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > you do?

> >

> > i don't.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> LOL

>

> The you thinking it has it is the same one looking for it.

>

> toombaru

>

> Yea.. I told him....but...

> -geo-

 

 

you told me what?

 

that you understand is what i read.

 

that's nice.

 

how is that?

 

what will that do?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:22:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> dan330033 writes:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > >

> > > > No, not at all.

> > > >

> > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > >

> > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> " now "

> > > is a matter of curiosity here.

> > >

> > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > >

> > > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining

> to the

> > > dream - only the end.

> >

> >

> >

> > if there is no beginning..there is no end.

> >

> > if there were..

> >

> > it could be turned around.

> >

> > the end would then be the beginning that's all.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.

>

> it ends as it begins.

>

> beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> -- D.

>

>

> ***It's just happening now. That's all.

 

Where?

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta

Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:50 PM

Re: Re: Perceiving

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/28/2009 3:37:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

inandor writes:

In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:22:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

dan330033 writes:

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > Tim G.

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > >

> > > No, not at all.

> > >

> > > What leads you to ask that?

> >

> > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > " now "

> > is a matter of curiosity here.

> >

> > Why would reality turn inside out?

> >

> > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining to

> > the

> > dream - only the end.

>

>

>

> if there is no beginning..there is no end.

>

> if there were..

>

> it could be turned around.

>

> the end would then be the beginning that's all.

>

> .b b.b.

 

its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.

 

it ends as it begins.

 

beginninglessly and endlessly.

 

-- D.

***It's just happening now. That's all.

 

geo> If you are referring to the dream...then it stoped happening now.

The dream that is NOW is not a dream now.

 

 

*****Although it reads like it, this isn't a contest to see how convoluted

our language can get. The simpler, the better.

 

geo> I am not bbb. I dont like to play with words. When there is the seeing

in the present..there is no more dream. Then what was the dream is seen for

what it is: just a set of conditionings and no entity inside.

 

 

 

 

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find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> souldreamone

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:37 AM

> Re: Re: Perceiving

>

In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:22:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> dan330033 writes:

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > >

> > > > No, not at all.

> > > >

> > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > >

> > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > > " now "

> > > is a matter of curiosity here.

> > >

> > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > >

> > > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining to

> > > the

> > > dream - only the end.

> >

> >

> >

> > if there is no beginning..there is no end.

> >

> > if there were..

> >

> > it could be turned around.

> >

> > the end would then be the beginning that's all.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.

>

> it ends as it begins.

>

> beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> -- D.

> ***It's just happening now. That's all.

>

> geo> If you are referring to the dream...then it stoped happening now.

> The dream that is NOW is not a dream now.

>

 

the tooth cannot bite the tooth.

 

the finger tip cannot touch the finger tip.

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54 PM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > > >

> > > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > > > > " now " is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > >

> > > > In Tibet, they refer to it as a " magical display. "

> > > >

> > > > For some reason, I like that term.

> > >

> > > When one body dies, are all affected? Just curious to see your response

> > > to

> > > this question.

> >

> > The body is an event through awareness.

> >

> > Does any event occur in separation?

> >

> > Every event is affecting and affected by every other event.

> >

> > Dividing one event from another is conceptual only.

> >

> > The outside of one event is the inside of another event.

> >

> > The ending of one movement begins another.

> >

> > This is multidimensional and transpatial.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> > geo> He is asking: if the world is a projection of this

> > body/consciousness,

> > then wiht the end of this body where are the others?

>

> The body-consciousness never had its own center in the first place, from

> which to project anything.

>

> The internalization of a center, of a self, was fictional the whole time.

>

> The others who were imagined as projections weren't there, ever.

>

> When the body dies, awareness isn't gone.

>

> What is gone is an imaginary projected world from an imagined center, used

> to collect memories.

>

> Nothing actual is gone.

>

> All movements of body-minds are " synchronized " through awareness.

>

> The ending of one movement begins another, ad infinitum, on all sides,

> beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> -- D.

>

> The center is jsut an organic center needed for survival of the species. For

> some reason we invested all in that center.

> It thought that it had a life of its own.

> -geo-

 

Yes.

 

That is the dream.

 

And included in the dream is a species trying to survive.

 

There are no objects.

 

Objects are formulated.

 

Dreamed, in other words.

 

Objects that try to make themselves survive by having a center, are a

contradictory kind of imagined object.

 

They involve trying to introject awareness into an object so they can have

themselves as something that they will try to continue.

 

What a crazy dream that is.

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:03 PM

> Re: Perceiving

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:21 PM

> > Re: Perceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Tim G.

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM

> > > > Re: Perceiving

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, not at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > > >

> > > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > > > " now "

> > > > is a matter of curiosity here.

> > > >

> > > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > > >

> > > > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining

> > > > to

> > > > the

> > > > dream - only the end.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if there is no beginning..there is no end.

> > >

> > > if there were..

> > >

> > > it could be turned around.

> > >

> > > the end would then be the beginning that's all.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.

> >

> > it ends as it begins.

> >

> > beginninglessly and endlessly.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

> > Are you also referring to the dream?

> > -geo-

>

> Conceptuality is the dream.

>

> Conceptuality is beginnings in endings, beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> Conceptuality arises through the nonconceptual and is never separate from

> it.

>

> -- D.

>

> Yes. The map has been lais out.

> -geo-

 

And now, it isn't needed and can be dissolved.

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

 

> I would say it is what allows the body to feel pain, hot, cold, hunguer, the

> basic needs to sirvive. I dont feel the pain of other bodies neither their

> hunguer.... so this localized something is the organic centre.

> -geo-

>

 

It is only the memory of the experience of hunger that registered in a

particular body-mind and not another body-mind.

 

the body-mind is a conceptualization system.

 

it registers memories and itself is remembered, conceptualized.

 

the actuality of being is not registered in the body-mind.

 

it is not localized in one place and not another place.

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/28/2009 3:37:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> inandor writes:

>

> In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:22:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> dan330033 writes:

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:18 PM

> > > Re: Perceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Is the body, then, the result of a *mistake* ?

> > > >

> > > > No, not at all.

> > > >

> > > > What leads you to ask that?

> > >

> > > The whole notion of physical birth, which although not applicable to

> > > " now "

> > > is a matter of curiosity here.

> > >

> > > Why would reality turn inside out?

> > >

> > > geo> Many have asked this. There is no reason. There is no beguining

> to

> > > the

> > > dream - only the end.

> >

> >

> >

> > if there is no beginning..there is no end.

> >

> > if there were..

> >

> > it could be turned around.

> >

> > the end would then be the beginning that's all.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> its end is in its beginning; its beginning is in its end.

>

> it ends as it begins.

>

> beginninglessly and endlessly.

>

> -- D.

> ***It's just happening now. That's all.

>

> geo> If you are referring to the dream...then it stoped happening now.

> The dream that is NOW is not a dream now.

>

>

> *****Although it reads like it, this isn't a contest to see how convoluted

> our language can get. The simpler, the better.

 

Nah.

 

Language isn't simple.

 

What is simple is no language.

 

 

-- D.

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