Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2003 Hello I am new here. Isn't this club about experiences? Reading the posts it looks more like unhappy confusion. Alak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Hi Alak, Welcome to the group. I had forgotten that the description of this forum says it's " a place for people to talk about their experiences while enlightenment is happening. " Unhappy confusion is an experience, isn't it? Maybe you're thinking of " spiritual experiences " like samadhis and so forth. Onniko wrote some wonderful messages here a few months ago of that kind. (In case anybody wants to search for them, she talked in one of them about riding in her husband's truck at night.) Other people have written a lot here over the years about their spiritual experiences and experiences with meditation and other practices. You're welcome to do the same. Maybe it will start that sort of conversation going again. I know somebody who went through an intense bhakti (devotional) period for a couple of years. It was involuntary. He kept seeing and hearing God everywhere and crying uncontrollably at the wonderfulness of it all. He says it meant as much or as little as seeing special effects in a movie. If God is everything, it doesn't really matter what you see, does it? No matter which way the telescope is pointed, you're seeing God. But Ramana Maharshi disagreed with this. He said God is at the other end of the telescope. God, he said, is whatever is looking out of the telescope, not what is seen with it. Best wishes, Rob - " alak_azam " <alak_azam <Realization > Friday, October 31, 2003 11:25 PM Hello I am new here > > Hello I am new here. Isn't this club about experiences? Reading > the posts it looks more like unhappy confusion. > > Alak > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > Hi Alak, > > Welcome to the group. > > I had forgotten that the description of this forum says it's > " a place for people to talk about their experiences while > enlightenment is happening. " > > Unhappy confusion is an experience, isn't it? > > Maybe you're thinking of " spiritual experiences " like samadhis > and so forth. > > Onniko wrote some wonderful messages here a few months > ago of that kind. (In case anybody wants to search for them, > she talked in one of them about riding in her husband's truck > at night.) > > Other people have written a lot here over the years about their > spiritual experiences and experiences with meditation and other > practices. You're welcome to do the same. Maybe it will start > that sort of conversation going again. > > I know somebody who went through an intense bhakti > (devotional) period for a couple of years. It was > involuntary. He kept seeing and hearing God everywhere > and crying uncontrollably at the wonderfulness of it all. > > He says it meant as much or as little as seeing special effects > in a movie. > > If God is everything, it doesn't really matter what you see, does > it? No matter which way the telescope is pointed, you're > seeing God. > > But Ramana Maharshi disagreed with this. He said God is > at the other end of the telescope. God, he said, is whatever > is looking out of the telescope, not what is seen with it. > > Best wishes, > > Rob What is the relationship of unhappy confusion with enlightenment happening ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 > > devi: to me it meant that he was reaching a high state of consciousness, hopefullly it wasn't drug induced..i have to agree that God is at the other end of the telescope but to say that that is only what and where God is is limiting God....ramana was careful to speak only of realiztion of the Self, He never really talked about anything else....so i don't think we can ever really know what He was doing and seeing and expereincing unless we have the same expereince as He.. If you read Ramana you will find that his offerings are like the bible. You can find words to prove any contention. I remember reading where one becomes all objects and therefore they are one and the same with the SELF. Much Aloha, Alton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 > > I know somebody who went through an intense bhakti > (devotional) period for a couple of years. It was > involuntary. He kept seeing and hearing God everywhere > and crying uncontrollably at the wonderfulness of it all. > > He says it meant as much or as little as seeing special effects > in a movie. > > If God is everything, it doesn't really matter what you see, does > it? No matter which way the telescope is pointed, you're > seeing God. > > But Ramana Maharshi disagreed with this. He said God is > at the other end of the telescope. God, he said, is whatever > is looking out of the telescope, not what is seen with it. > > devi: to me it meant that he was reaching a high state of consciousness, hopefullly it wasn't drug induced.. i have to agree that God is at the other end of the telescope but to say that that is only what and where God is is limiting God....ramana was careful to speak only of realiztion of the Self, He never really talked about anything else....so i don't think we can ever really know what He was doing and seeing and expereincing unless we have the same expereince as He.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " alak_azam " <alak_azam> wrote: > Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> > wrote: > > Hi Alak, > > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > I had forgotten that the description of this forum says it's > > " a place for people to talk about their experiences while > > enlightenment is happening. " > > > > Unhappy confusion is an experience, isn't it? > > > > Maybe you're thinking of " spiritual experiences " like samadhis > > and so forth. > > > > Onniko wrote some wonderful messages here a few months > > ago of that kind. (In case anybody wants to search for them, > > she talked in one of them about riding in her husband's truck > > at night.) > > > > Other people have written a lot here over the years about their > > spiritual experiences and experiences with meditation and > other > > practices. You're welcome to do the same. Maybe it will start > > that sort of conversation going again. > > > > I know somebody who went through an intense bhakti > > (devotional) period for a couple of years. It was > > involuntary. He kept seeing and hearing God everywhere > > and crying uncontrollably at the wonderfulness of it all. > > > > He says it meant as much or as little as seeing special effects > > in a movie. > > > > If God is everything, it doesn't really matter what you see, does > > it? No matter which way the telescope is pointed, you're > > seeing God. > > > > But Ramana Maharshi disagreed with this. He said God is > > at the other end of the telescope. God, he said, is whatever > > is looking out of the telescope, not what is seen with it. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Rob > > > What is the relationship of unhappy confusion with > enlightenment happening ? devi: maybe they are opposites of each other Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > > > > devi: to me it meant that he was reaching a high state of > consciousness, hopefullly it wasn't drug induced.. > > i have to agree that God is at the other end of the telescope but to > say that that is only what and where God is is limiting God....ramana > was careful to speak only of realiztion of the Self, He never really > talked about anything else....so i don't think we can ever really > know what He was doing and seeing and expereincing unless we have the > same expereince as He.. > If you read Ramana you will find that his offerings are like the bible. You can find words to prove any contention. > I remember reading where one becomes all objects and therefore they are one and the same with the SELF. > Much Aloha, > Alton devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the world is actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider spinning its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider being the Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self being the ego and the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the world is actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider spinning its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider being the Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self being the ego and the world...Alton; Great analogy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > > > > devi: to me it meant that he was reaching a high state of > consciousness, hopefullly it wasn't drug induced.. > > i have to agree that God is at the other end of the telescope but to > say that that is only what and where God is is limiting God....ramana > was careful to speak only of realiztion of the Self, He never really > talked about anything else....so i don't think we can ever really > know what He was doing and seeing and expereincing unless we have the > same expereince as He.. > If you read Ramana you will find that his offerings are like the bible. You can find words to prove any contention. > I remember reading where one becomes all objects and therefore they are one and the same with the SELF. > Much Aloha, > Alton somebody please tell me who is god I keep forgetting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " satkartar14 " <satkarta4@j...> wrote: > Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > devi: to me it meant that he was reaching a high state of > > consciousness, hopefullly it wasn't drug induced.. > > > > i have to agree that God is at the other end of the telescope but to > > say that that is only what and where God is is limiting God....ramana > > was careful to speak only of realiztion of the Self, He never really > > talked about anything else....so i don't think we can ever really > > know what He was doing and seeing and expereincing unless we have the > > same expereince as He.. > > If you read Ramana you will find that his offerings are like the bible. You can find words to prove any contention. > > I remember reading where one becomes all objects and therefore they are one and the same with the SELF. > > Much Aloha, > > Alton > > > > somebody please tell me who is god > > I keep forgetting Maybe God isn't a who at all . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 My $.02 on this is that, to me, I am a hollow tube that God flows through. The less there is of me, the more room there is for God. It is when the walls of the tube become so thin that they disappear that joy/understanding/knowledge is complete. And then the phone rings, and I have to come back Gelf devianandi [devi] Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:51 PM Realization Re: Hello I am new here > > I know somebody who went through an intense bhakti > (devotional) period for a couple of years. It was > involuntary. He kept seeing and hearing God everywhere > and crying uncontrollably at the wonderfulness of it all. > > He says it meant as much or as little as seeing special effects > in a movie. > > If God is everything, it doesn't really matter what you see, does > it? No matter which way the telescope is pointed, you're > seeing God. > > But Ramana Maharshi disagreed with this. He said God is > at the other end of the telescope. God, he said, is whatever > is looking out of the telescope, not what is seen with it. > > devi: to me it meant that he was reaching a high state of consciousness, hopefullly it wasn't drug induced.. i have to agree that God is at the other end of the telescope but to say that that is only what and where God is is limiting God....ramana was careful to speak only of realiztion of the Self, He never really talked about anything else....so i don't think we can ever really know what He was doing and seeing and expereincing unless we have the same expereince as He.. ...........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.org By sending a message to this list, you are giving permission to have it reproduced as a letter on http://www.realization.org ................................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 > > > devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the world is > actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider spinning > its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider being the > Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self being the > ego and the world...> > Alton; Great analogy.devi: don't think for a minute that they originated from me...! ....my all time favorite though is that God is like an ocean and we are the drops..and the ocean is made of sat chit ananda and each and every drop is that too..so if the ocean is wet and salty so is each drop wet and saltyi think thats whats meant by we are made in the image of God...we are the same stuff...Alton: I like the STRING theory of that being God, or the theory of everything, which is being presented on NOVA Wednesday night in a three part series. The first one was last Wednesday and number 2 in coming. Unfortunately we will miss the 3rd one as we will be away and I don't think they show it in Europe, or maybe they do. I just checked and we all can see it online with this link. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html Love, Alton who is composed of STRINGS.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the world is > actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider spinning > its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider being the > Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self being the > ego and the world... > > Alton; Great analogy. yes, for you Alton, because you love snakes and spiders and rats and mosters <grin> I am waiting for the day when you will write your name in low-case letters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Dear Devi: Thanks for the link. Vijay Kumar is the guy who said he is enlightened and was willing to answer all my questions to my complete satisfaction. He was attacked by another soul who claimed Realization. I wont go into what happened because that is water under the bridge, except to say it got me banned on that persons group, not Vijay's. Love, Alton http://www.godrealized.com/glossary/aglossa1.html#Atman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the world is > actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider spinning > its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider being the > Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self being the > ego and the world... > > Alton; Great analogy. devi: don't think for a minute that they originated from me...! ....my all time favorite though is that God is like an ocean and we are the drops.. and the ocean is made of sat chit ananda and each and every drop is that too.. so if the ocean is wet and salty so is each drop wet and salty i think thats whats meant by we are made in the image of God... we are the same stuff... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the world is > actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider spinning > its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider being the > Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self being the > ego and the world... > > Alton; Great analogy http://www.godrealized.com/glossary/aglossa1.html#Atman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the world is > > actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider > spinning > > its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider being > the > > Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self being > the > > ego and the world... > > > > Alton; Great analogy. > > devi: don't think for a minute that they originated from > me...! ....my all time favorite though is that God is like an ocean > and we are the drops.. > > and the ocean is made of sat chit ananda and each and every drop is > that too.. > > so if the ocean is wet and salty so is each drop wet and salty > > i think thats whats meant by we are made in the image of God... > we are the same stuff... > > Alton: I like the STRING theory of that being God, or the theory of everything, which is being presented on NOVA Wednesday night in a three part series. The first one was last Wednesday and number 2 in coming. Unfortunately we will miss the 3rd one as we will be away and I don't think they show it in Europe, or maybe they do. > > I just checked and we all can see it online with this link. > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html > Love, > Alton who is composed of STRINGS.. no shit?! composed of STRINGS? so why not try this model from Carol you two actors at the 'spiritual circus one with a SHOUTING name all in capital letters the other dressed as Mother Theresa: " I am a hollow tube that God flows through. The less there is of me, the more room there is for God. It is when the walls of the tube become so thin that they disappear that joy/understanding/knowledge is complete. And then the phone rings, and I have to come back Gelf " --- to Earth that is.. hah ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2003 Realization , " Era " <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the world is > > > actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider > > spinning > > > its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider being > > the > > > Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self being > > the > > > ego and the world... > > > > > > Alton; Great analogy. > > > > devi: don't think for a minute that they originated from > > me...! ....my all time favorite though is that God is like an ocean > > and we are the drops.. > > > > and the ocean is made of sat chit ananda and each and every drop is > > that too.. > > > > so if the ocean is wet and salty so is each drop wet and salty > > > > i think thats whats meant by we are made in the image of God... > > we are the same stuff... > > > > Alton: I like the STRING theory of that being God, or the theory of everything, which is being presented on NOVA Wednesday night in a three part series. The first one was last Wednesday and number 2 in coming. Unfortunately we will miss the 3rd one as we will be away and I don't think they show it in Europe, or maybe they do. > > > > I just checked and we all can see it online with this link. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html > > Love, > > Alton who is composed of STRINGS.. > > > no shit?! composed of STRINGS? > > so why not try this model from Carol > > you two actors at the 'spiritual circus > > one with a SHOUTING name all in capital > letters > > the other dressed as Mother Theresa: > > " I am a hollow tube that God flows > through. > > The less there is of me, the more room there is for God. It is when the > walls of the tube become so thin that they disappear that > > joy/understanding/knowledge is complete. And then the phone rings, and I > have to come back > > Gelf " > > --- > > to Earth that is.. > > hah ? What have these people done to you ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 2, 2003 Realization , " alak_azam " <alak_azam> wrote: > Realization , " Era " <satkarta7@j...> > wrote: > > Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " > <unbound@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: hi alton, makes me think of the statement that the > world is > > > > actually the body of God....or how what is is like a spider > > > spinning > > > > its web and then pulling it back into itself....the spider > being > > > the > > > > Self and the web which is part of the Self and is the Self > being > > > the > > > > ego and the world... > > > > > > > > Alton; Great analogy. > > > > > > devi: don't think for a minute that they originated from > > > me...! ....my all time favorite though is that God is like an > ocean > > > and we are the drops.. > > > > > > and the ocean is made of sat chit ananda and each and > every drop is > > > that too.. > > > > > > so if the ocean is wet and salty so is each drop wet and > salty > > > > > > i think thats whats meant by we are made in the image of > God... > > > we are the same stuff... > > > > > > Alton: I like the STRING theory of that being God, or the > theory of everything, which is being presented on NOVA > Wednesday night in a three part series. The first one was last > Wednesday and number 2 in coming. Unfortunately we will miss > the 3rd one as we will be away and I don't think they show it in > Europe, or maybe they do. > > > > > > I just checked and we all can see it online with this link. > > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html > > > Love, > > > Alton who is composed of STRINGS.. > > > > > > no shit?! composed of STRINGS? > > > > so why not try this model from Carol > > > > you two actors at the 'spiritual circus > > > > one with a SHOUTING name all in capital > > letters > > > > the other dressed as Mother Theresa: > > > > " I am a hollow tube that God flows > > through. > > > > The less there is of me, the more room there is for God. It is > when the > > walls of the tube become so thin that they disappear that > > > > joy/understanding/knowledge is complete. And then the phone > rings, and I > > have to come back > > > > Gelf " > > > > --- > > > > to Earth that is.. > > > > hah ? > > > > What have these people done to you ? nothing, they are newly-married, I am just watching how the matrimony is working out in the cyber heaven while looking for intelligent talk here and there ok I am off line, bye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 2, 2003 > > Alton: I like the STRING theory of that being God, or the theory of everything, which is being presented on NOVA Wednesday night in a three part series. The first one was last Wednesday and number 2 in coming. Unfortunately we will miss the 3rd one as we will be away and I don't think they show it in Europe, or maybe they do. > > I just checked and we all can see it online with this link. > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html > Love, > Alton who is composed of STRINGS.. devi: theres a really good book called the *Elegant Universe* that talks about the string theory..and the different jobs that all the particles of God have.. i rented it from the library a few years ago...it was way to advanced for me, i'm not enthralled with science..but i read enough to know that its well worth the read... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 2, 2003 Realization , " ESSENTIAL I " <unbound@h...> wrote: > Dear Devi: > Thanks for the link. Vijay Kumar is the guy who said he is enlightened and was willing to answer all my questions to my complete satisfaction. He was attacked by another soul who claimed Realization. I wont go into what happened because that is water under the bridge, except to say it got me banned on that persons group, not Vijay's. > > Love, > Alton devi: i'm laughing...you know on his site he says that once your liberated you don't have to re-incarnate again... so i wrote to him and asked him how he knew that...and if he just read that in a boook or a scripture and believed it...he didn't answer me.... come on, who's group did you get banned from? > > > > > http://www.godrealized.com/glossary/aglossa1.html#Atman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 2, 2003 Realization , "ESSENTIAL I" <unbound@h...> wrote:> Dear Devi:> Thanks for the link. Vijay Kumar is the guy who said he is enlightened and was willing to answer all my questions to my complete satisfaction. He was attacked by another soul who claimed Realization. I wont go into what happened because that is water under the bridge, except to say it got me banned on that persons group, not Vijay's.> > Love,> Altondevi: i'm laughing...you know on his site he says that once your liberated you don't have to re-incarnate again... so i wrote to him and asked him how he knew that...and if he just read that in a boook or a scripture and believed it...he didn't answer me.... Dear Devi: Remember not to believe anything anybody says and you will be alright forever. Will write you about the group I got banned from. Dont want to crap up this group. Love, Altoncome on, who's group did you get banned from?> > > > > http://www.godrealized.com/glossary/aglossa1.html#Atman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 3, 2003 > Dear Devi:> Remember not to believe anything anybody says and you will be alright forever.> Will write you about the group I got banned from. Dont want to crap up this group.> Love,> AltonWith that advice why should she believe anything you say about the experience with the other group at all anyway ? I can understand not buying into whatever is put out there at face value. But also see that it could be closing off an avenue as well. Hey come to think of it, then what good would it do for you to ask this Kumar guy any questions? After all you couldn't trust it anyway so really seems to be a total waste of time and energy. Not trying to yank your chain just trying to get a handle on your point of view. alak_azam <Just one view along the road>..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 3, 2003 Sorry the last one went by mistake. See below for reply. > Dear Devi:> Remember not to believe anything anybody says and you will be alright forever.> Will write you about the group I got banned from. Dont want to crap up this group.> Love,> AltonWith that advice why should she believe anything you say about the experience with the other group at all anyway ? Devi has enlightened intuition and she knows somebody who is honest and truthful and knows the nature of reality like a sage. I can understand not buying into whatever is put out there at face value. But also see that it could be closing off an avenue as well. What I meant was to suspend judgement so that all the facts can be well considered before accepting or rejecting, concepts, opinions, beliefs and editorializing. Hey come to think of it, then what good would it do for you to ask this Kumar guy any questions? After all you couldn't trust it anyway so really seems to be a total waste of time and energy. See the last paragraph for explanation. When someone is totally open to answering questions and is willing to post their correct name, I see them as being truthful and I am more willing to accept what they offer. I trust my own intuition along with my Scopio investigative gifts. Not trying to yank your chain just trying to get a handle on your point of view. alak_azam <Just one view along the road> Guess what? If you are able to yang my chain, then you will remain my friend as long as you wish, because if you are able to do that then I will find more Self limiting attachments that are hindering my quest for a purified mind. Love, Alton ...........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 3, 2003 > Dear Devi: > Remember not to believe anything anybody says and you will be alright forever. > Will write you about the group I got banned from. Dont want to crap up this group. > Love, > Alton With that advice why should she believe anything you say about the experience with the other group at all anyway ? I can understand not buying into whatever is put out there at face value. But also see that it could be closing off an avenue as well. Hey come to think of it, then what good would it do for you to ask this Kumar guy any questions? After all you couldn't trust it anyway so really seems to be a total waste of time and energy. Not trying to yank your chain just trying to get a handle on your point of view. alak_azam <Just one view along the road> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
