Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 PS : The Final Laugh never ends. THAT Consciousness Noumenon <sloshednstoned wrote: Alas, thus having whacked me on the head , Shawn did not laugh the Final Laugh for he had thought. The MU can only *not* be understood by the MU THAT shawn <shawn wrote:on 2/12/03 4:15 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstoned wrote: > > > > Thus feebly attempting to render in words the unrenderable, you have > blasphemied the MU > > --- > > THAT Dear That, Sounds like a lot of christian nonsense to me. How can we insult or dishonor that which is the ground and sustanace of all? Who would do it? While it is true that THAT is indescribable, where is the point of being on a list where words are the medium, if not to use them? One wack for you... for carrying your shoe on your head and thinking it means something. )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 on 2/14/03 2:38 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstoned wrote: > > Alas, thus having whacked me on the head , Shawn did not laugh the Final Laugh > for he had thought. > The MU can only *not* be understood by the MU > > THAT Dear this THAT and the other, Feel a need to have the last laugh? I don't understand you, Mu. )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 YOU can never understand me. ------ THAT shawn <shawn wrote:on 2/14/03 2:38 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstoned wrote: > > Alas, thus having whacked me on the head , Shawn did not laugh the Final Laugh > for he had thought. > The MU can only *not* be understood by the MU > > THAT Dear this THAT and the other, Feel a need to have the last laugh? I don't understand you, Mu. )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 - Tanya Davis Realization Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:46 AM (unknown) I'd like to thank you all for an entertaining half hour reading the latest posts.I have often felt that Judi ought to be banned from the board for her unnecessarily rude and hurtful comments. However I never can quite get over the gnawing feeling that she does make some good points and that helps me to find the courage to 'get real' myself and stop worrying about what other people think and feel and figure out what's real underneath all the social conditioning and trying to be nice to people!Thinking about why her comments make me angry can be quite, dare I say - enlightening.As far as the war goes I know I'm no 'better' or 'different' than Saddam Hussein or Bush or anyone else.I don't think this board should be censored on account of people's feelings, whenever I come here I come prepared to have my buttons pushed.Tanya. ********* Thanks Tanya. And yes, "fair weather" friends are a dime a dozen, but to me, a friend is someone who's willing to get down and be honest and inspect themselves and all their shit for what it actually is. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Judi, I find this interesting because I have recently been banned from a group for a lot less shit than what you've been dishing out. I find myself trying not to hurt people and end up driving the knife in deeper than you do. Something to think about. Dennis --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > - > Tanya Davis > Realization > Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:46 AM > (unknown) > > > I'd like to thank you all for an entertaining half > hour reading the latest > posts. > I have often felt that Judi ought to be banned > from the board for her > unnecessarily rude and hurtful comments. However I > never can quite get over > the gnawing feeling that she does make some good > points and that helps me to > find the courage to 'get real' myself and stop > worrying about what other > people think and feel and figure out what's real > underneath all the social > conditioning and trying to be nice to people! > Thinking about why her comments make me angry can > be quite, dare I say - > enlightening. > As far as the war goes I know I'm no 'better' or > 'different' than Saddam > Hussein or Bush or anyone else. > I don't think this board should be censored on > account of people's feelings, > whenever I come here I come prepared to have my > buttons pushed. > > Tanya. > > ********* Thanks Tanya. And yes, " fair weather " > friends are a dime a dozen, but to me, a friend is > someone who's willing to get down and be honest and > inspect themselves and all their shit for what it > actually is. > > Judi > > ===== Visit my Spirit home page; http://www.katdent.bravepages.com/windyhillfarm.htm Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Judi has been around for a long time, and has been kicked off of several boards. There is a paradox to be solved here, though. Spiritual people are generally highly sensitive, and can be hurt faily easily due to that sensitivity. The paradox comes with...why am I reacting to this typed grouping of letters (email message) with anger, hurt, etc? What is the hurt/anger/pain trying to show me? What is inside me that causes the reaction? Is there something here I need to excavate, reveal to myself and resolve? Gadflies are very useful, sometimes. (Of course, at other times, Judi, they can be a giant pain in the ass) Keep seeking. I know that every entity is the world is a teacher and learner. Love Gelf >a friend is someone who's willing to get down and be honest and inspect themselves and all their shit for what it actually is. Judi ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 - Carol Philo Realization Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:36 AM Re: (unknown) Judi has been around for a long time, and has been kicked off of several boards. ********* Nope, the only list I've not been allowed to post on was NDS, and that's because the climate there is not one of actual "inquiry". It's merely a social list. Oh wait, I forgot, I was kicked off Harsha's list. But that's fairly self-explanatory. :-) There is a paradox to be solved here, though. Spiritual people are generally highly sensitive, and can be hurt faily easily due to that sensitivity. The paradox comes with...why am I reacting to this typed grouping of letters (email message) with anger, hurt, etc? What is the hurt/anger/pain trying to show me? What is inside me that causes the reaction? Is there something here I need to excavate, reveal to myself and resolve? Gadflies are very useful, sometimes. (Of course, at other times, Judi, they can be a giant pain in the ass) *** I'm grateful I can be a pain in the ass, the bigger pain in the ass the better! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 - Dennis Trainor Realization Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:26 AM Re: (unknown) Judi, I find this interesting because I have recentlybeen banned from a group for a lot less shit than whatyou've been dishing out. I find myself trying not tohurt people and end up driving the knife in deeperthan you do. Something to think about. ********* Yes, I'm not trying to "torture" anyone, that's not how I get my kicks, but by the same token I'm not here to recite scriptures or talk about the "weather" either. Understanding necessarily "pinches", there's a certain shock to it, and a person either up for it or they're not. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Judi, In the group I was banned from I said for the most part people come together in groups so that some people can get off at the expense of other people. Now they didn't care that I said that, what really pissed them off was the fact that I got off at their expense when I was supposed to be in the victim slot. Judi, your not playing this right. When the music stops the emotional rush will end and you'll be the victim without a chair unless your more unattached to this than I think you are. Dennis --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > > - > Dennis Trainor > Realization > Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:26 AM > Re: (unknown) > > > Judi, > > I find this interesting because I have recently > been banned from a group for a lot less shit than > what > you've been dishing out. I find myself trying not > to > hurt people and end up driving the knife in deeper > than you do. Something to think about. > > ********* Yes, I'm not trying to " torture " anyone, > that's not how I get my kicks, but by the same token > I'm not here to recite scriptures or talk about the > " weather " either. Understanding necessarily > " pinches " , there's a certain shock to it, and a > person either up for it or they're not. > > Judi > > ===== Visit my Spirit home page; http://www.katdent.bravepages.com/windyhillfarm.htm Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 - Dennis Trainor Realization Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:08 PM Re: (unknown) Judi, In the group I was banned from I said for the mostpart people come together in groups so that somepeople can get off at the expense of other people. Now they didn't care that I said that, what reallypissed them off was the fact that I got off at theirexpense when I was supposed to be in the victim slot. Judi, your not playing this right. When the musicstops the emotional rush will end and you'll be thevictim without a chair unless your more unattached tothis than I think you are. Dennis ******** Hi Dennis - I'm not sure I know what you're talking about? As for where I'm coming from, it would only be nicer if people understood themselves and did not come from the "victim" mentality, but I don't have any "personal" stake in it one way or the other. I'm beyond that. In other words, I don't suffer "myself" anymore, my suffering is for others. I'll give you an example. My 19 year old son right now is somewhere in a Bradley tank in the middle of Iraq. Is he there because he has a "personal" stake in it? No. Except he is getting double plus his pay. :-) But all kidding aside, he's there because it's who he is and it's the right thing to do. Make no mistake, there are people of great "self-less" charachter that put themselves on the line for benefit of mankind, and don't you ever forget it. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Judi, I can't help feeling things have calmed down a bit in the group. That's always nice. As for the rest of it I'm not going to bite. Keep on truckin' Dennis --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > > - > Dennis Trainor > Realization > Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:08 PM > Re: (unknown) > > > Judi, > In the group I was banned from I said for the > most > part people come together in groups so that some > people can get off at the expense of other people. > > Now they didn't care that I said that, what really > pissed them off was the fact that I got off at > their > expense when I was supposed to be in the victim > slot. > Judi, your not playing this right. When the music > stops the emotional rush will end and you'll be > the > victim without a chair unless your more unattached > to > this than I think you are. > Dennis > > ******** Hi Dennis - I'm not sure I know what > you're talking about? > As for where I'm coming from, it would only be > nicer if people understood themselves and did not > come from the " victim " mentality, but I don't have > any " personal " stake in it one way or the other. I'm > beyond that. In other words, I don't suffer " myself " > anymore, my suffering is for others. > > I'll give you an example. My 19 year old son right > now is somewhere in a Bradley tank in the middle of > Iraq. Is he there because he has a " personal " stake > in it? No. Except he is getting double plus his pay. > :-) But all kidding aside, he's there because it's > who he is and it's the right thing to do. Make no > mistake, there are people of great " self-less " > charachter that put themselves on the line for > benefit of mankind, and don't you ever forget it. > > Judi > > ===== Visit my Spirit home page; http://www.katdent.bravepages.com/windyhillfarm.htm Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 - Dennis Trainor Realization Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:30 PM Re: (unknown) Judi, I can't help feeling things have calmed down a bitin the group. That's always nice. As for the rest ofit I'm not going to bite. Keep on truckin' Dennis ******** Yes, well "calm" is good. No need to get yourself all in a dither to understand yourself, in fact, it works just the opposite, how can a person think straight when they're running around full of anger like a chicken with their head cut off. A certain amount of emotional and mental maturity is required. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 > That is Brahman > That you should crave to know Where else than from Brahman does such craving arise? Where else than from Brahman does all craving arise? Which is why desires are sacred. They all arise from Brahman. What else than Brahman looks out from the eyes that read this? What else? Some think of Brahman as beyond.... But is not Brahman immanent as well? Is not Brahman the screen upon which you read this? How could it not? Om, Brahman, Essence Dream.... We are One -Bill eilean low [eileanlow]Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:06 PMnisargadatta Subject: (unknown) Yato wa emani bhutani jayantay yayna jatani jiwanti yat pra yantya bhi sangwi shanti tadwi jijna saswa tad brahmayti That from which all these beings take birth That which sustains them That into which they merge That is Brahman That you should crave to know Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 - eilean low nisargadatta Thursday, August 14, 2003 04:44 AM (unknown) The koel sings not because he has some Truth to convey. He sings, because he has a song to sing. And becoming the singing.... there is no audience for him. And the Universe pauses to listen. If I am not-two, what Universe could there be to pause? Aren't you the universe which contains the song of the koel and the silence of the great sequoia A bow to you eilean. The singing and the rapt listening in silence, .........both by the same,..........simultaneously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > - > eilean low > nisargadatta > Thursday, August 14, 2003 04:44 AM > (unknown) > > > > The koel sings not because he has some Truth to convey. > > He sings, because he has a song to sing. > > And becoming the singing.... there is no audience for him. > > And the Universe pauses to listen. > > > If I am not-two, what Universe could there be to pause? > > > Aren't you the universe > which contains the song of the koel > and the silence of the great sequoia > > A bow to you eilean. > > The singing and the rapt listening in silence, .........both by the same,..........simultaneously. Whenever the mind notionally combines or equates two notional entities.......only notionality happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Very nice selction. I'm going to post this over on the AdvaitaToZen list. Dan, Greg Goode, and I have been having a dicussion re Wei Wu Wei over there. Would love to have you join in! -Bill s_u_b_j_e_c_t_i_v_i_t_y [infinite_mirror] Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:29 AM Nisargadatta (unknown) 'Let me remind you that the perceived cannot perceive' - Huang Po 'Separated subject only sees because it is non-separate subject that is seeing, & this seeing is via the apparatus that separated subject regards as himself.' 'Those sentient beings whose subjective element has disidentified itself with the role of separated objects thereby 'plunge' into the void, that is they find they are no longer objects playing the part of subjects.' That which then remains is all that ever was, which is the subjectivity they represent. But that, when it has no object, is no longer subject, but just that voidness which is subjectivity that is not 'looking', i.e. whose objects are not perceived. As subject they are the so-called 'Void of Prajna': as objects they are the so- called 'void of annihilation' for they have never existed.' - Wei Wu Wei " Prajna " (subjectivity) is our true nature.' - Sutra of Hui Neng Subjectivity is the substance of samadhi, & samadhi is the activity of subjectivity' - Sutra of Hui Neng 'That which is 'seen' or 'experienced' is as imaginary as the 'see- er' & experiencer': both are interpretations of a movement in subjectivity which we term seeing & experiencing.' - Wei Wu Wei 'Without a see-ing, an experiencing, there can be no see-er, no experiencer. Neither before nor after a see-ing is there a see-er, an experienc-er. The latter is produced in order to explain, or to justify, the phenomenon.' - Krishnamurti ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Thanks very much to both of you. You're wonderful. - " Onniko " <onniko <Realization > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:09 PM (unknown) > Bill:> <I was mostly interested in slowing attention down > > > *completely* and didn't explore so much the slow motion stuff.> > > > Onniko> What happened when you did that? It wasn't that vast > empiness, was it? I = > hate that. > > > Bill> <The interesting thing about slowing attention down > > > is that the " reflex action " of thought > > is diffused. Thought > becomes= > just > > > " consciousness sugar " forms slowing > > > transforming (like a lava lamp). > > > > > Onniko> Mmmmm, well, are they sweet? My consciousness is not always > sweet but the= > ground it floats on is. > > > Bill:> <You don't take things > > > *too seriously*. [i must make a note to myself about this!]> > > > Onniko:> Oh, well that's true. But, if you > were me, you wouldn't take me too > seriously, either. I just answered a > message from Mathew before I read your > reply and I realize that I did > describe something very lovely as funny > I think it strikes me that way because > the ways of awareness are so > contradictory to the ways of the > reasoning mind. Also, because whenever > I've found myself walking around in > or right after a fine high headed > samahdi and feeling quite holy, > events springing out of physical > awareness end up striking it down in > the most creative and humorous ways, > not mean or even ego deflating, just > funny in such a way that I have to > laugh at myself. > > > Bill:> < the key to dream > > > imagery is the underlying feelings.> > > > Onniko:> Feelings and even stray thoughts > hardly noticed can turn into the most > bizarre creations. This is important, > imo, because if someone does want to > explore themselves further, there has > to be an understood connection between > their thoughts and the very vivid > visions, beautiful and terrible, they > will witness there. It's hard for > anyone, at first, to imagine that > their own mind can form anything so > amazing or so real. I mean, one who > can't draw or sing on key can make > symphonies and videos that are more > clear and vivid that physical life? > Who would have thought it? Yet, it's > a fact, we do it before we've even > learned to tie our shoes. > > > -------------------------- > Bill:> > " follow thoughts to their source, or to their unique > > > field of vibrations. " > > > Wow. > > > * Some of the images that spring up from feelings held > > > onto during the day can be so funny > > > It is rare for someone to realize that > > > the key to dream imagery is the > > > underlying feelings. > > ---> slow > > motion > > > mind > > > > > > > Onniko:> > Hi, Bill, I'm not being all mysterious > > and mystical. > I think I > > just > > > mean slow brain waves as in observing things that float into > your consc= > iousness while you're switching gears to sleep and trying > > just > > > to watch passively without actually > going to sleep. It works on > > the > > > other end (waking up from sleep), too. > > > It surely must be the opposite of > > > meditating to empty the mind yet it's > > > so much easier > > to > > > follow thoughts to their source, or to > > > their unique field of vibrations, that > > > way. Some of the images that spring up > > > from feelings held onto during the day > > > can be so funny, too. > ------- > Oh, ok. I like your definition of enlightenment. Enlightenment is a > humorous idea. One time, when I was > having this real type dream where I > was the off the air snow scattered in timeless non space (It was > blue so > from what the experts say, it couldn't > have been Nirvana) ....anyway....I > was not me or anybody or anything > excpet the blue field of off the air > snow and it was blissful and little > bright pinpoints of clear light kept > popping around in me (which was not > me but the field, you know, ha) anyway > ...to get to the funny (to me) part.....somewhere to the left of the > field, > > I heard my mother calling me to come > home. With one single unrising in > the blue field of snow, my entire > life tuned back in and I woke up. So, > which was better, the snow or the > life? Doesn't matter: The life is > the snow doing a little dance. > > --- > > Karta: these are the numbers of the posts I > liked from her but I am banned from > there too > > 94 96 97 401 02 06 07 416 417 426 427 > > love, Karta > > Rob, this is from Karta who kindly took the trouble to save some old > posts for me. I don't know anymore what the posts of those numbers > are about. They are in Devi's unmoderated group God Realization > Satsang and Sanga > > > > ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST.......... > > Email addresses: > Post message: Realization > Un: Realization- > Our web address: http://www.realization.org > > By sending a message to this list, you are giving > permission to have it reproduced as a letter on > http://www.realization.org > ................................................ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Dear Michael, I do not wish to receive messages from this address; I tried blocking them, but that does not seem to work. Could you remove my address from your mailing list, please? I just like to receive the postings from Viorica. Thanks, Kind regards, Dietie AukemaMICHAEL BINDEL <michael_bindel wrote: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi RENUNCIATION Asked 'How does a grihastha (householder) fare in the scheme of Moksha (liberation)?' Bhagavan said, 'Why do you think you are a grihastha? If you go out as sanyasi (ascetic), a similar thought that you are a sanyasi will haunt you. Whether you continue in the household or renounce it and go to the forest, your mind goes with you. The ego is the source of all thought. It creates the body and the world and makes you think you are a grihastha . If you renounce the world it will only substitute the thought sanyasi for grihastha and the environments in the forest for those of the household. But the mental obstacles will still be there. They even increase in the new surroundings. There is no help in change of environment. The obstacle is the mind. It must be got over whether at home or in the forest. If you can do it in the forest, why not at home? Therefore, why change your environment? Your efforts can be made even now - in whatever environment you are now. The environment will never change according to your desire'. FATE AND FREEWILL Freewill and destiny are ever existent. Destiny is the result of past action; it concerns the body. Let the body act as may suit it. Why are you concerned about it? Why do you pay attention to it. Freewill and destiny last as long as the body lasts. But jnana transcends both. The Self is beyond knowledge and ignorance. Whatever happens, happens as the result of one's past actions, of divine will and of other factors. There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it. One is to enquire for whom is this destiny and discover that only the ego is bound by destiny and not the Self and that the ego is non-existent. The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realizing one's helplessness and saying all the time, 'Not I, but Thou oh Lord' and giving up all sense of 'I' and mine, and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes with you. Complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through self-enquiry or bhakti marga (Path). JNANI A jnani has attained Liberation even while alive, here and now. It is immaterial to him as to how, where and when he leaves the body. Some jnanis may appear to suffer, others may be in samadhi; still others may disappear from sight before death. But that makes no difference to their jnana. Such suffering is apparent, seems real to the onlooker, but not felt by the jnani, for he has already transcended the mistaken identity of the Self with the body. The jnani does not think he is the body. He does not even see the body. He sees only the Self in the body. If the body is not there, but only the Self, the question of its disappearing in any form does not arise. PRACTICE, DEDICATION AND DEVOTION In the light of the life and teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, the devotees of Arunachala Ashrama believe that spiritual practice (sadhana) is essential. Peace, joy and immortality are available to those aspirants who dedicate themselves to the practice of meditation and Self-enquiry, devotion and dedication. The Grace of the Guru is always present, but this Grace is only fully experienced by those few sincere sadhakas (spiritual aspirants) who devote their lives to the practice of the teachings. We believe that Sri Ramana Maharshi did not live for his time alone. His presence and guidance can be experienced now just as when he was physically present. Those who turn to him with sincere aspiration and longing, those who try their best to apply his teachings, will feel his Grace and guidance. There is no doubt about this. In Arunachala Ashrama, Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi remains the teacher and Guru. Lectures and discussions may have a place in an aspirant's life, but Arunachala Ashrama is maintained in a manner that allows visitors and residents to obsorb the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi through silence. His teachings are always being disseminated in Silence, and to hear them we must silence our mind. Lectures and discussions can obscurate his silent teachings to the Heart. "Silence is the ocean in which all the rivers of all the religions discharge themselves." -Thayumanavar The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi RENUNCIATION Asked 'How does a grihastha (householder) fare in the scheme of Moksha (liberation)?' Bhagavan said, 'Why do you think you are a grihastha? If you go out as sanyasi (ascetic), a similar thought that you are a sanyasi will haunt you. Whether you continue in the household or renounce it and go to the forest, your mind goes with you. The ego is the source of all thought. It creates the body and the world and makes you think you are a grihastha . If you renounce the world it will only substitute the thought sanyasi for grihastha and the environments in the forest for those of the household. But the mental obstacles will still be there. They even increase in the new surroundings. There is no help in change of environment. The obstacle is the mind. It must be got over whether at home or in the forest. If you can do it in the forest, why not at home? Therefore, why change your environment? Your efforts can be made even now - in whatever environment you are now. The environment will never change according to your desire'. FATE AND FREEWILL Freewill and destiny are ever existent. Destiny is the result of past action; it concerns the body. Let the body act as may suit it. Why are you concerned about it? Why do you pay attention to it. Freewill and destiny last as long as the body lasts. But jnana transcends both. The Self is beyond knowledge and ignorance. Whatever happens, happens as the result of one's past actions, of divine will and of other factors. There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it. One is to enquire for whom is this destiny and discover that only the ego is bound by destiny and not the Self and that the ego is non-existent. The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realizing one's helplessness and saying all the time, 'Not I, but Thou oh Lord' and giving up all sense of 'I' and mine, and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes with you. Complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through self-enquiry or bhakti marga (Path). JNANI A jnani has attained Liberation even while alive, here and now. It is immaterial to him as to how, where and when he leaves the body. Some jnanis may appear to suffer, others may be in samadhi; still others may disappear from sight before death. But that makes no difference to their jnana. Such suffering is apparent, seems real to the onlooker, but not felt by the jnani, for he has already transcended the mistaken identity of the Self with the body. The jnani does not think he is the body. He does not even see the body. He sees only the Self in the body. If the body is not there, but only the Self, the question of its disappearing in any form does not arise. PRACTICE, DEDICATION AND DEVOTION In the light of the life and teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, the devotees of Arunachala Ashrama believe that spiritual practice (sadhana) is essential. Peace, joy and immortality are available to those aspirants who dedicate themselves to the practice of meditation and Self-enquiry, devotion and dedication. The Grace of the Guru is always present, but this Grace is only fully experienced by those few sincere sadhakas (spiritual aspirants) who devote their lives to the practice of the teachings. We believe that Sri Ramana Maharshi did not live for his time alone. His presence and guidance can be experienced now just as when he was physically present. Those who turn to him with sincere aspiration and longing, those who try their best to apply his teachings, will feel his Grace and guidance. There is no doubt about this. In Arunachala Ashrama, Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi remains the teacher and Guru. Lectures and discussions may have a place in an aspirant's life, but Arunachala Ashrama is maintained in a manner that allows visitors and residents to obsorb the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi through silence. His teachings are always being disseminated in Silence, and to hear them we must silence our mind. Lectures and discussions can obscurate his silent teachings to the Heart. "Silence is the ocean in which all the rivers of all the religions discharge themselves." -Thayumanavar THE GURU Sri Maharshi did say that a Guru was necessary. He also said that the Guru may not be external, as in his case. Again, upon his physical demise he said that he was not leaving, as he was never identified with the body; meaning, he is present even now. The truth is that no one can give us liberation. The way can be pointed out, directions can be given. Our intense earnestness and total dedication to the goal is the most essential factor. If we become obsessed with this one thing - realizing Truth-Truth, a physical Guru (if necessary) and all else will be drawn to us automatically. The Guru will come to us when we are ready. We simply need to attend to making ourselves ready and the rest is automatic. For those with faith in the Maharshi's living presence there are no doubts in this matter. Gratitude due to Arunachala Ashrama Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 What a surprise, Today in the morning I was woundering, whoever this Michael Bindel is, he or she is doing me a great favour. I look forward to those mails as my morning reading. I make a cup of tea turn on the computer and inspire and still myself. Thank you very much for being part of my life. Pls take care Reena --- MICHAEL BINDEL <michael_bindel wrote: Dear members i would appreciate hearing from you if you like my postings to our group (The Maharshi) and if you have some suggestions how i could improve them in order to be a service to all of us Awaiting your answers and your suggestions in Ramana michael Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Dear Reena i do not want to disturb your privacy just want to let you know on this way too that your message brightened this day and if you want to write to me go ahead i am ready in Ramana michael >thatindianwoman <thatindianwoman > > >Re: (unknown) >Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:45:35 -0800 (PST) > > >What a surprise, >Today in the morning I was woundering, whoever this >Michael Bindel is, he or she is doing me a great >favour. I look forward to those mails as my morning >reading. I make a cup of tea turn on the computer and >inspire and still myself. >Thank you very much for being part of my life. >Pls take care >Reena > > >--- MICHAEL BINDEL <michael_bindel wrote: > > > >Dear members > >i would appreciate hearing from you if you like my >postings to our group (The Maharshi) and if you have >some suggestions how i could improve them in order to >be a service to all of us > >Awaiting your answers and your suggestions > > >in Ramana > >michael > > > > > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN >Messenger Download today it's FREE! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Dear Michael, I have been enjoying all your mails about devotees personal experiences with Bhagawan. I have been enjoying it very Much!! Just reading and following the emails is taking me onto a different plane. You have been doing an excellent job/service!! Thank You Sir Vijay Thotapalli --- MICHAEL BINDEL <michael_bindel wrote: Dear members i would appreciate hearing from you if you like my postings to our group (The Maharshi) and if you have some suggestions how i could improve them in order to be a service to all of us Awaiting your answers and your suggestions in Ramana michael Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Dear Vijaya thank you dear unknown virtual friend for your encouraging words! They help me a lot..... Hoping to hear from you again! in Ramana michael >Vijaya Thotapalli <tvsai > > >Re: (unknown) >Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:26:22 -0800 (PST) > >Dear Michael, > I have been enjoying all your mails about >devotees personal experiences with Bhagawan. I have >been enjoying it very Much!! Just reading and >following the emails is taking me onto a different >plane. You have been doing an excellent job/service!! > > >Thank You Sir > >Vijay Thotapalli >--- MICHAEL BINDEL <michael_bindel wrote: > > > >Dear members > >i would appreciate hearing from you if you like my >postings to our group (The Maharshi) and if you have >some suggestions how i could improve them in order to >be a service to all of us > >Awaiting your answers and your suggestions > > >in Ramana > >michael > > > > > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN >Messenger Download today it's FREE! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 who dares enter the future now? - ramanama06 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:16 PM (unknown) ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 l. fill in my own blanks while I fill in " yours " . 2. toombaru2003 is now way forward. 3. a certain someone moved from one list to another. anna dilemma, good a new game... love of the unknown, how can anyOne Be bored? Love Anna - ramanama06 Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:20 PM (unknown) ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Hi, However wanted to get the true enlightment pls access the following site and you will come to know about the Incarnation of Supream Soul. Pls see the photo attached. He is the incarnation of Bhagwan Vishnu...He is the jesus for Cristian , He is Alla for Muslim and He is the God of all. Pls find the link in which you will get the info about the Kalki Avatar- 10th Incarnation of Vishnu. onenessuniversity.org/ http://www.geocities.com/shvprsd/ - You well see the miracle of God. www.livinginjoy.com/gc www.worldawakening.org www.kalki.freeservers.com www.trueawakening.org www.srikalkikrupadarshan.org www.havans.org Please all of you Guys read the all above site Go through the Miracle and experiance coulmn Ravindra Kittad --- Era <n0ndual wrote: > ,nondualitysalon > > ,gururatings > > > Think that all Phenomema are like dreams > Message-ID: <dmi6dm+545j (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> > User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset= " ISO-8859-1 " > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-Mailer: Message Poster > X--Post-IP: 209.240.205.61 > X--Newman-Property: groups-compose > Sender: notify > > > > Think that all Phenomema are like dreams > > Now the work starts. Atisha is > very condensed, seed-like. That > is the meaning of a sutra; it > is just like a thread, just a > hint, and then you have to decode > it. > > " Phenomena " means all that you see, all that you > experience. All that can e= > ver be experienced is all phenomena. > > Remember, not only are the objects > of the world phenomena and > dreams, but also objects of consciousness. They may > be > objects of the world, they may > be just objects of the mind. > They may be great spiritual experiences. You may see > Kundalini > rising in you: that too is a phenomenon - a > beautiful dream, > a very sweet dream, but it is > a dream all the same. > > You may see great light flooding your being, but > that light is > also a phenomenon. You may see lotuses blooming > inside you and > a great fragrance arising within > your being: these too are phenomena, because you > are > always the seer and never the > seen, always the experiencer and > never the experienced, > > always the witness and never the > witnessed. > > > From The Book of Wisdom, by Osho > > > > ......... > love, Era > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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