Don't Treat The Old And Unhealthy

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Telegraph Jan 26, 2008 - LAURA DONNELLY

Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors

Doctors are calling for NHS treatment to be withheld from patients who are too old or who lead unhealthy lives.

 

Smokers, heavy drinkers, the obese and the elderly should be barred from receiving some operations, according to doctors, with most saying the health service cannot afford to provide free care to everyone.

 

Fertility treatment and "social" abortions are also on the list of procedures that many doctors say should not be funded by the state.

 

The findings of a survey conducted by Doctor magazine sparked a fierce row last night, with the British Medical Association and campaign groups describing the recommendations from family and hospital doctors as "outrageous" and "disgraceful". go to story

 

 

Death is coming - get ready now

 

lecture on <cite>Srimad-Bhagavatam</cite> 7.6.5, Vrindaban, December 7, 1975

 

"This is material world. We take birth, we exist for some time, we grow, then there are some by-products, and then we become old and then die. This is called shad-vikara, six kinds of changes. But the atma is the same. The example is given: just like a tree, any tree, say a mango tree. During season, summer season there are flowers in the tree, and then they grow a small green mango, then it becomes yellow or reddish, and then it becomes ripened. Then there is a seed within the mango. And then, when it is over-ripened, it falls down. Then finished, business finished. Similarly... But when the mango is finished, it does not mean the tree is also finished. The tree is there, and again, in the next season, there will be mango and the same changes will go on. Similarly... It is a crude example. We spirit soul, we are eternal exactly like the tree. Tree is not eternal, but in comparison to the fruit, it is eternal. A tree lives for hundred thousand, five hundred, years and the same business go on. The mango, it is coming in [stages], just like flower, then green, then grows, then dwindles. So we are eternal, and our different bodies are just like seasonal fruits. On account of our different karma, we get different body. So this body is undergoing the six kind of changes. But the soul, he is not going any change. He is the same.

 

So here it is said that we are changing. Ever-increasingly we are taking birth. <cite>Janma-mrityu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-doshanudarshanam</cite> [<cite>Bhagavad-gita</cite> 13.9]. This is our actual distress, that we are obliged to take birth, death, disease, old age. So we are struggling against it. Nobody wants to become old man, especially in this winter season. It is very difficult for old men. So, but you have to accept jara and vyadhi [old age and disease]. Nobody can escape disease. Nobody can escape birth. Nobody can escape death. But struggle is going on. When you are diseased, there is a great struggle how to cure yourself, go to the doctor, take good medicine and so on, so on. But we cannot check the diseased condition. Similarly, we cannot check our old age, cannot check our birth, death. Therefore here it is said, kushalah. Kushalah [intelligence] means if you actually want benefit, because this kind of struggling has not given you any benefit, but if you want actually benefit, then you should endeavor for this. What is that? For your ultimate benefit. And how long? So long you are stout and strong, you should try how to become free from this bondage of birth, death, old age and disease, not that you keep yourself, this business set aside: "When we shall get old then we shall chant Hare Krishna and become Krishna conscious." That is not the meaning. Immediately. Prahlada Maharaja said that <cite>kaumara acharet prajño dharman bhagavatan iha</cite> [<cite>Srimad-Bhagavatam</cite> 7.6.1]. From the very beginning of life, when kaumara, a small child, boy, from that age one should begin this bhagavata life, or Krishna consciousness. That is called brahmachari, to teach brahmacharya from the very beginning of life. And when you are young, then you should work with more vigor and intelligence. At that time brain is very nice. Young man has got all the facilities. The machine is strong. This is a machine. So old machine cannot so work. So it is a great fortune for the young boys and girls of Europe and America that in this young life they are cultivating Krishna consciousness. It is a very good fortune.

 

Here it is recommended by Prahlada Maharaja, <cite>shariram paurusham yavan na vipadyeta pushkalam</cite>. So long you do not become invalid, old, unable to work, you should try. Not try, you must—yateta—for developing Krishna consciousness. Not that "When I shall become old, before death I shall try a few months Hare Krishna." No. From the very beginning of life, from childhood, they should be taught how to chant Hare Krishna, how to attend mangala arati, how to... In this way, by this practice, vidhi-bhakti, regulated principle, tapasya... This is called tapasya [austerity]. <cite>Tapo divyam putraka yena shuddhyet sattvam</cite> [sB 5.5.1]. If you want to purify your existence, then you should begin... That is human life, tapasya. Human life is not meant for polished dogism and pigism. That is not human life. If a cat and dog becomes nicely dressed, that does not mean he becomes a human being. He is cat and dog. Similarly, if we keep our mentality like cats and dog and outwardly we dress very nicely, they have been described as dvi-pada-pashuh, "two-legged animal." Animal. He is animal because he is not cultivating Krishna consciousness. The cats and dogs cannot do it, so he is no better than cats and dog. This is the conclusion. Sa eva go-kharah [sB 10.84.13]. That is the verdict of Vedic literature.

 

<cite> yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke

 

sva-dhih kalatradishu bhauma-ijya-dhih

 

yat tirtha-buddhih salile na karhichit

 

janeshu abhijñeshu sa eva go-kharah</cite>

Just like in Vrindavana many visitors come. They think that by simply taking a dip into the Yamuna water their tirtha is finished, pilgrimage is finished. But shastra says, <cite>yat tirtha-buddhih salile</cite>. If one comes to Vrindavana and simply takes advantage of taking a bath in the river Yamuna, that is also very good, but that does not finish his business. He must seek out where in Vrindavana Krishna consciousness is going on, "Where there is a person who can teach me about Krishna conscious." That is humanity. Otherwise, if he thinks simply by going to Vrindavana and taking a dip in Yamuna or shaving the head and purchasing some utensils for sons and daughter, their tirtha... They have been described as sa eva go-kharah [sB 10.84.13]. Go means cow, and kharah means ass. When you go some holy place, because in the holy place there are many persons who are very learned, who can give you very good instruction about spiritual life, so you must seek such person and associate with him. That is tirtha. Tirthi-kurvanti tirthani. Because it is said in the shastra that ordinary men with sinful habits, they come to tirtha, holy place, and actually they become purified. Actually they become purified. That is the glory of tirtha-sthana, dhama. But when such sinful garbage is accumulated, who will clear? It will be cleared by the saintly person, by their punya work. ... Again they make it tirtha. So therefore it is advised... So anyone who is coming to Vrindavana, they must seek out the devotees who have dedicated to Krishna consciousness and trying to preach Krishna consciousness to the ignorant people who are busy in material activities. This is tirtha. Therefore it is recommended. In India you'll find so many tirthas, so many tirthas—Prayag, Mathura, Vrindavana, Hardwar, Rameshvaram. That is the arrangement.

 

And after retirement of life, vanam vrajet [leave the home, go to the forest]. <cite>Pañcashordhvam vanam vrajet</cite>. Prahlada Maharaja also said to his father, <cite>hitvatma-ghatam griha-andha-kupam vanam gato yad harim ashrayeta</cite>. Formerly big, big kings, everyone—compulsory retirement, vanaprastha, sannyasa. Vanam means go to the forest. One who goes to the forest, he is called vanaprastha. From vana, the word vana, has come vanaprastha. Pañcashordhvam vanam vrajet, that "After fifty years of age one must go to the forest for meditation, for tapasya,, austerity."

 

This training is given from brahmachari [celibate student] life, grihastha [married] life also, but people are not taking training. They are not kushalam. Actually they do not know what is the aim of life. They are cats and dogs. So one who is kushala, actually knows the aim of life, for him, <cite>yateta ksemaya bhavam ashritah</cite>. Because in the material existence it is simply suffering. But these foolish men, they do not understand. They are thinking, "Enjoyment." How you can enjoy? Krishna says, <cite>duhkhalayam ashashvatam:</cite> [bg. 8.15] "This is a place for suffering." Actually suffering—adhibhautika, adhidaivika, adhyatmika.[1] But because they have become fools and rascals, they do not understand that they are suffering. They are taking it they are enjoying.

 

Therefore, anyone who is in such condition, abominable condition, condemned condition, they must take to shelter of Krishna consciousness so long the body is strong enough. Not put it off till when the body is old and it cannot move, it is attacked with rheumatism, and so many other things, indigestion. No. So long it is shariram purusham. Purusham, why this word used? There are women also. Purusham does not mean man. Purusham means one who wants to enjoy. He is called purusha. Anyone here in the material world, although one has got the body of a male or although one has got the body of a female, both of them are for enjoyment. Therefore it is used, purusha. Purusha means enjoyer. So either the woman or man, the propensity is how to enjoy life. Therefore it is called. So either purusha, the male or female, anyone who has got this body, he must perform Krishna consciousness until she becomes... It should go on. If you practice when you are stout and strong... Just like a person begins exercising in young age, and in the old age also he can perform exercise. Practice, anything you practice, that is recommended. <cite>Yateta kushalah ksemaya bhavam ashritah:</cite> "Therefore, while in material existence [bhavam ashritah], a person fully competent to distinguish wrong from right must endeavor to achieve the highest goal of life as long as the body is stout and strong and is not embarrassed by dwindling."

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Who will win in the bout against death???

 

If we side with KRSNA

then we will emerge victorious!

 

Death we will conquer

and eternal lfe we shall inherit!

[suchandra 1]

 

Who will win in the bout against death???

 

If we side with KRSNA

then we will emerge victorious!

 

Death we will conquer

and eternal lfe we shall inherit!

Mercy killing ki jaya?

[indulekhadasi 0]

How cruel. I read the article and could not believe my eyes.

 

Taking care of one's health is an opportunity and a neccesity for everyone. One must take care of one's body as it is a temple of the Lord and we need to use it to perform devotional service.

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How cruel. I read the article and could not believe my eyes.

 

Taking care of one's health is an opportunity and a neccesity for everyone. One must take care of one's body as it is a temple of the Lord and we need to use it to perform devotional service.

Could be again ultimately a question of, what is the the quality of our soul?

Did we pop out the brahma-jyoti, the mahat-tattva, or are we eternal associates in the spiritual world who're fallen down? Christianity solve that "problem" by inventing "biological live", animals, plants and humans have no immortal soul at all and the value of a human being in this way is what?

As soon we say this is an eternal child of God presently caught up in material illusion, the way of treatment would be better.

 

TRANSLATION

It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father. (BG 14.4)

PURPORT

In this verse it is clearly explained that the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, is the original father of all living entities. The living entities are combinations of the material nature and the spiritual nature. Such living entities are seen not only on this planet but on every planet, even on the highest, where Brahmā is situated. Everywhere there are living entities; within the earth there are living entities, even within water and within fire. All these appearances are due to the mother, material nature, and Kṛṣṇa's seed-giving process. The purport is that the material world is impregnated with living entities, who come out in various forms at the time of creation according to their past deeds.

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"Pariksit Maharaja said: "It is not that if I say there is no God that

there will be no God or that I will not be responsible for what I do."

The atheists deny God due to their sinful activities. If they thought

that there were a God, they would shudder at the thought of

punishment; therefore they deny His existence. When rabbits are

attacked by larger animals, they close their eyes and think, "I am not

going to be killed," but they are killed anyway. Similarly, we may

deny the existence of God and His laws, but still God and His laws are

there. In the high court, one may say, "I don't care for the law of

the government," but he will be forced to accept the government law.

If one denies the state law, he will be put into prison and duly

punished. Similarly, one may foolishly decry the existence of God by

various means ("There is no God," or "I am God"), but ultimately one

is responsible for all his actions, both good and bad.

 

Krsna Consciousness, The Matchless Gift, Ch 2 - Getting Out the Material Mire

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Krishna is the father of everyone and therefore there should be no discrimination amongst his children.

[suchandra 1]

 

Krishna is the father of everyone and therefore there should be no discrimination amongst his children.

How to See Death

by Govindarupini DD

Auckland, New Zealand: February 21, 2008

http://blog.360./blog-VrfvFr42dLCRSi1h70.xwYxrhd4U?p=880

 

Srila Narayan Gosvami Maharaja to a terminally ill devotee: Don’t fear death. Death simply means that you will have a new body, and by that new body you will be able to serve Krsna and perform bhajana with great determination. Because of your activities until now – your chanting of the holy name – Krsna will arrange to give you a pure devotee with whom to associate. We should not fear death. Death is nothing. As long as you are conscious, always remember Krsna and chant Hare Krsna.

Those who are now babies and those who are now very smart and strong youths will become old one day. No doctor or scientist, nor the combined effort of many doctors or scientists, can stop one’s old age. In old age we will be harassed by so many diseases, and one day we will have to give up this body. No one can postpone his time of inevitable death for even a second.

What is death? The soul, which is part and parcel of Krsna, gives up this body and enters into another baby body. This is death.

We are not this body; inside the body there is a soul, the eternal servant of Krsna. Now we souls have forgotten Krsna, and that is why we are covered by so many stages – birth, death, calamities, diseases, and problems.

Conversely, if we chant Krsna’s name, we will attain love for Krsna and be liberated from this world. There will be no birth or death, and we will take a very young and smart teenage body. We will always serve Krsna, and be happy. In Krsna’s abode, there is no need of serving anyone else but Krsna, no need of money, and no need of eating, as we have here. There is only nectar there – we only drink nectar.

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what is born has to die... and so somewhere life has to end... but where is a matter of perception and that differs from person to person...