Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Howcome Kalki avtar is claimed to be on a horse and carrying a sword? T his is now how kalyug is. We don't ride horses.. and we have far more advanced weapons than swords so how can the Incarnation fight with the primitive methods? I don't understand this... Any comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrsinghadev Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Hare Krishna, Lord Kalki will appear 427000 years from our current timeperiod, so there is plenty of time for the world's civilization to be destroyed several times. Just see how much war and disease there has been in the limited timeframe of our written history and it's not hard to imagine what kind of destruction the future might bring. And if not by war, external things such as natural disasters and meteorstrikes are well capable of destroying civilization as we know it, throwing us back to the stone age. If you read on about the predicition of Kalki in the Bhagavatam, you will also find the passage which says that people will lose memory, physical strength and duration of life day by day. In the end, people will become like asses, so at that time there will be no such thing as scientific advancement. On a sidenote, there are alot of bogus claims going about on this messageboard claiming that Kalki is already here, or that he was Jesus or Mohammed, but it would be best to neglect this sort of nonsensical speculation and just accept the timeframe given by the Bhagavatam, which is that Kali Yuga started roughly 5000 years ago and that it will take 432.000 years before we're going into Sattya Yuga again. Hope it helps, Haribol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murali_Mohan_das Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 It is said Kalki will appear "like a comet". My speculation is that Kalki may exactly appear like a comet or asteroid to very rapidly cleanse the earth. Perhaps something like the Tunguska Event, but even larger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event Howcome Kalki avtar is claimed to be on a horse and carrying a sword? T his is now how kalyug is. We don't ride horses.. and we have far more advanced weapons than swords so how can the Incarnation fight with the primitive methods? I don't understand this... Any comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hare Krishna, Lord Kalki will appear 427000 years from our current timeperiod, so there is plenty of time for the world's civilization to be destroyed several times. Just see how much war and disease there has been in the limited timeframe of our written history and it's not hard to imagine what kind of destruction the future might bring. And if not by war, external things such as natural disasters and meteorstrikes are well capable of destroying civilization as we know it, throwing us back to the stone age. Hope it helps, Haribol! I didn't know that. Thanks that clarifies some bits. Also, by what you have said up there - sounds like that Kal yug is not really ended by the Incarnation itself. We will be slowly self-destroyed and then when we are beginning to start satyug, bhagwan will come to put an end to the rest of the evil. Therefore enabling the fresh/new start of sat yuga again. hhhmm.. a bit confusing. But then nobody knows whats going on up there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 According to shastra the Kalki avatar appears at the conjunction of Kali-yuga and Satya-yuga. There is no incarnation for kali-yuga except the covered incarnation of Mahaprabhu. Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.38, dharmam maha-purusa pasi yuganuvrttam channah kalau yad-abhavas tri-yugo ëtha sattvam "O Krsna, O protector of religious principles, in the age of Kali, You do not assert Yourself as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because Your incarnation is hidden in the age of Kali, You are known as Triyuga, or the Lord who manifests His supremacy in only three ages." So, technically Kalki avatar comes at the conjunction of Kali-yuga and Satya-yuga when the two yugas overlap. At that time Kali-yuga is going out and Satya-yuga is coming in through stages till no remnants of Kali-yuga remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 therefore the popular myth that Mohammed is the incarnation of Kalki Avatar cannot be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
som Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 You have applied a very Krishna-conscious logicc for replying. Seems to be quite convincing :-) Hare Krishna! Hare Krishna, Lord Kalki will appear 427000 years from our current timeperiod, so there is plenty of time for the world's civilization to be destroyed several times. Just see how much war and disease there has been in the limited timeframe of our written history and it's not hard to imagine what kind of destruction the future might bring. And if not by war, external things such as natural disasters and meteorstrikes are well capable of destroying civilization as we know it, throwing us back to the stone age. If you read on about the predicition of Kalki in the Bhagavatam, you will also find the passage which says that people will lose memory, physical strength and duration of life day by day. In the end, people will become like asses, so at that time there will be no such thing as scientific advancement. On a sidenote, there are alot of bogus claims going about on this messageboard claiming that Kalki is already here, or that he was Jesus or Mohammed, but it would be best to neglect this sort of nonsensical speculation and just accept the timeframe given by the Bhagavatam, which is that Kali Yuga started roughly 5000 years ago and that it will take 432.000 years before we're going into Sattya Yuga again. Hope it helps, Haribol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madanmohandas Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 All of the above would be best clarified by an actual reading of the Bhagavat. Where Kalki is spoken of as 'like a comet', is from Jayadeva's Gita Govinda and I think the general assumtion on that is that is a poetic device called metaphor, which does not imply an actual comet. The word in the song is 'dhuma-ketum-iva' the 'iva' means like as in metaphorical terms. Budha is also an avatara during Kali yuga whose appearance is 'foretold' in the Bhagavat. It is also suggested in the Bhagavat that Kalki brings on the cleansing required for the renewal of Satya yuga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madanmohandas Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I would not be surprised if Kalki's sward had some special power to counter any modern conventional weapons. There is nothing to wonder at in this, for, he projects, preserves and withdraws the entire cosmos as a mere play. As Ram he slew 14,000 raksasas with one arrow. Ha ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 How amazing it would be to be a part of that world when bhagwan incarnates and destroys evil. Like Krishna was in Mahabharat. I wish I was Draupadi since she was so near and dear to krishna and she saw it all! Although she was a bit of a whinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerServant Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Praise and Glory to the Lord God Almighty. The human beings on this planet have spiritual intelligence (perception) covered by the cloud of sin. This fact is pointed out in the scriptures in many places. See BG Chapter 2:60 - 70 as an example. That is, our senses do not perceive at full God given capacity while under the influence and covering of sin. When the Lord of Lords appears as the Kalki avatar He will obliterate at once, the cloud of darkness covering the senses. By His omnipresent potency everyone, sinner and saint alike, will have their senses purified by the effulgent ray of Love emanating from His Sacred Heart. The Son of Visnu Yas'aa, the Light of the World, will shine into the consciousness of every being on every spiritual planet, including the most fallen souls of the earth planet. Every living entity in the entire cosmic manifestation will see Him instantly and simultaneously. HS and yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madanmohandas Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Srimad Bhagavatam, Book 12, chapter 2, texts 17-22 The incarnation of Visnu, the supreme lord and preceptor of all beings, is meant for the protection of the dharma of the virtuous, and to redeem them from the bondage of karma. He will incarnate as Kalki in the house of the renowned Visnuyasa, chieftain of the village of Sambala. Seated on a fast horse named Devadatta, Kalki, the lord of all, endowed with eight yogic powers and peerless spledour, will course over the earth at high velocity, destroying the countless plunderers parading as kings. When all the evil doers are slain, the people of towns and villages will have contact with the fragrance spreading from the unguents on the body of Vasudeva, which will render the minds of all of them pure. When Vasudeva, the embodiment of strength and purity, is lodged in their hearts, they will procreate issue that are mentally and physically strong. From this time of the incarnation of the worshipful lord, the lord of dharma, the Krta (satya) yuga begins, and a race of men with sattva predominating will be generated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murali_Mohan_das Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Thank you for the analysis of the Sanskrit. Very interesting. Nonetheless, if the Lord can appear as a tortoise, as a boar, or as a stone (Giriraj), why can't the Lord appear as a comet if it is His Will? All of the above would be best clarified by an actual reading of the Bhagavat.Where Kalki is spoken of as 'like a comet', is from Jayadeva's Gita Govinda and I think the general assumtion on that is that is a poetic device called metaphor, which does not imply an actual comet. The word in the song is 'dhuma-ketum-iva' the 'iva' means like as in metaphorical terms. Budha is also an avatara during Kali yuga whose appearance is 'foretold' in the Bhagavat. It is also suggested in the Bhagavat that Kalki brings on the cleansing required for the renewal of Satya yuga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murali_Mohan_das Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Where my theory falls apart is the clear assertion that not all residents of Bhumi will be killed by the Lord--merely the evildoers. As a child, I got the impression that, by the end of Kali Yuga, there wold be *only* evil-doers on the planet and everyone would be liberated by the Lord en masse. Still, these verses are somewhat mysterious. Srimad Bhagavatam, Book 12, chapter 2, texts 17-22 The incarnation of Visnu, the supreme lord and preceptor of all beings, is meant for the protection of the dharma of the virtuous, and to redeem them from the bondage of karma. He will incarnate as Kalki in the house of the renowned Visnuyasa, chieftain of the village of Sambala. Seated on a fast horse named Devadatta, Kalki, the lord of all, endowed with eight yogic powers and peerless spledour, will course over the earth at high velocity, destroying the countless plunderers parading as kings. When all the evil doers are slain, the people of towns and villages will have contact with the fragrance spreading from the unguents on the body of Vasudeva, which will render the minds of all of them pure. When Vasudeva, the embodiment of strength and purity, is lodged in their hearts, they will procreate issue that are mentally and physically strong. From this time of the incarnation of the worshipful lord, the lord of dharma, the Krta (satya) yuga begins, and a race of men with sattva predominating will be generated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Howcome Kalki avtar is claimed to be on a horse and carrying a sword? T his is now how kalyug is. We don't ride horses.. and we have far more advanced weapons than swords so how can the Incarnation fight with the primitive methods? I don't understand this... Any comments? Could it be an allusion to the new 2008 Ford Mustang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murali_Mohan_das Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Could it be an allusion to the new 2008 Ford Mustang? Well, by the time Kalki comes, the 2008 Ford Mustang will be a *classic* car. "Look, this car is so old, it can't even drive itself!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madanmohandas Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Thank you for the analysis of the Sanskrit. Very interesting. Nonetheless, if the Lord can appear as a tortoise, as a boar, or as a stone (Giriraj), why can't the Lord appear as a comet if it is His Will? Yes indeed. You might say, 'possible, but not probable'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madanmohandas Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 mleccha nivaha nidhanaM kalayasi karavAlam/ dhUmaketum-iva kimapi karAlam/ kezava dhrta kalki zarIra jaya jagadIza hare// (Jayadeva's Gita Govinda) To route and slaughter the barbarian host, brandishing his mighty sward, appearing like a comet in his fury, Kesava assumes the Kalki form; Hail Hari! Lord of the world! dhumaketu prAya bANa kharga hAte kari/ kATile mlecchera-gaNa mahAyudha kari// yAvadiya mleccha-gaNe karile nidhana/ jaya kalki avatAra jagata kAraNa// (Bengali padyanuvad) Appearing like a comet discharging arrows, brandishing his sward, he cuts down the barbarian host in a mighty conflict 'til all are laid low. Hail Kalki avatara! Cause of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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