Guest guest Report post Posted November 15, 2006 Thanks Dan, Used your idea today in THI CHI class and it worked like a charm. I wasn't judging someone else but MY SELF. I have myro valve prolapse so I have panic attacks if under stress phy. mentally or emotionally. Started judging my bodies reaction to class & worrying about having tackacardia again so the second I realized it I started mantra & began to breath correctly and relaxe through the class. Thanks you very much. Debi Dan <dhkerrmail > wrote: I realize there's a subtle judgement even in saying 'leave them to the ... that they're making. But sticking to the mantra recitations is a good way to go. And I wouldn't dwell too much on the doubt aspect of 'why am I choosing this. I'd go with the mantra when in doubt too. Re-evaluation can be good; but doubt is not so helpful. Regards, Dan , Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > > Focus on my mantra! > Thanks! > That will be my goal in dealing with this. > Debi > > Dan <dhkerrmail wrote: > I think it is important to realize that people are not their > behaviors. We cannot see the soul-part of the person; but need to > realize that it is there. Nevertheless; when people insist on certain > behaviors that cause pain to others; we need to ask whether there is > any benefit we can bring to that persons society. And if a person's > actions are negatively affecting us; we need to use our values to > decide, well, what are we doing there. > > Being at work adds an economic angle that makes decisions more difficult. > > You have my sympathy. > > Personally I like to leave people the hell that they're making; and > let God take care of them. Just focus on your mantra. > > But this may not work for everybody. > > Luck! > > Dan > > , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Debi: > > > > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, > and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are > downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not > judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. > > > > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain > situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if > they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. > > > > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy > perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We > should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. > > > > Jai Ma! > > Shankari Kali > > > > Debra McDaniel <student61754@> wrote: > > > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others > and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing. > > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line > between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements > in the case of others faults. > > > > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of > any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order > to make decisions and direct. > > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those > who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes > cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and > have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of > cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive > person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what > ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel > they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just > play the game with them by the rules they created. > > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing > Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be > like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise > in his own conceit. > > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that > I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. > > > > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain > of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how > to correctly deal with these judgements. > > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you > can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's > part of life and we have to learn how to be in > > it and be who we are. > > > > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me > better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be > a better person in our journey. > > > > Reaching for Enlightenment, > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, > Associate - Click now to apply > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 Hi Debi, This has been a periodic, but regular, problem here. It's not even necessarily Papia's computer. Sometimes someone mines an address from our site and then uses it to (try to) propagate viruses. Jai Maa! Chris , Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > > Papia, > I have recieved 3 now emails from you that have attachments & that go directly into my bulk box. THEY ARE CARRING VIRUS' > Check our your system > Debi > > Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote: > Hi Debi, > Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest. > This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to. > Love > Papia > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > Thank you for replying. > From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions. > Like: > Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place. > DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities? > Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best? > Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others? > > Thanks you everyone! > Now I have some good points to think about. > Debi > > > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > Namaste Debi: > > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. > > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. > > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing. > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults. > > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct. > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created. > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. > > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements. > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in > it and be who we are. > > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey. > > Reaching for Enlightenment, > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 Hi Debi, I have not sent you any email after the one I sent as response below. I suspect it is the work of bot-nets and that the address has been spoofed. I had a couple of those in my bulk mailbox too. I am not sure if there is anything I can do about this. If anyone has a solution, please share. Thanks Papia Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote: Papia, I have recieved 3 now emails from you that have attachments & that go directly into my bulk box. THEY ARE CARRING VIRUS' Check our your system Debi Papia Roy <roy.papia > wrote: Hi Debi, Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest. This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to. Love Papia Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote: Thank you for replying. From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions. Like: Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place. DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities? Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best? Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others? Thanks you everyone! Now I have some good points to think about. Debi Shankari Kali <shankari_kali > wrote: Namaste Debi: This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. Jai Ma! Shankari Kali Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote: I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing. I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults. When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct. BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created. At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements. Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in it and be who we are. So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey. 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 Thanks for telling me. I was so afraid it may be in her computer and her not know it. Now I know just to delete them. On another subject: Shiva Puja (Beginner) Setting up alter: Is there any special things I need to do. Looked at others photos and have set one up as best can but wasn't sure if I had done it correctly. Also about lingams. Purchased a large stone from river called Lingam stone & of course it's not what I'm seeing in photos on file. Is it the same thing but in natural form & if so I had planed to make a clay dish so it sat like photos and had a drain.spout. I know I probly am not using correct words for all these things not to mention my spelling is bad & haven't got a spell check, SORRY, so please forgive & correct me when need be. Thank you, Have so much to learn but the learning has been wonderful so far. Debi Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote: Hi Debi, This has been a periodic, but regular, problem here. It's not even necessarily Papia's computer. Sometimes someone mines an address from our site and then uses it to (try to) propagate viruses. Jai Maa! Chris , Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > > Papia, > I have recieved 3 now emails from you that have attachments & that go directly into my bulk box. THEY ARE CARRING VIRUS' > Check our your system > Debi > > Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote: > Hi Debi, > Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest. > This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to. > Love > Papia > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > Thank you for replying. > From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions. > Like: > Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place. > DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities? > Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best? > Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others? > > Thanks you everyone! > Now I have some good points to think about. > Debi > > > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > Namaste Debi: > > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. > > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. > > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing. > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults. > > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct. > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created. > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. > > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements. > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in > it and be who we are. > > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey. > > Reaching for Enlightenment, > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 So far as I know there is nothing that can be done, except: If you are getting these emails in your personal email box (on your computer), MAKE SURE YOU UPDATE YOUR ANTIVIRUS DEFINITIONS DAILY!!! If you get them in your mailbox, they already test each file, so you're generally safe. Jai Maa! Chris , Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote: > > Hi Debi, > I have not sent you any email after the one I sent as response below. I suspect it is the work of bot-nets and that the address has been spoofed. I had a couple of those in my bulk mailbox too. > I am not sure if there is anything I can do about this. If anyone has a solution, please share. > Thanks > Papia > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > Papia, > I have recieved 3 now emails from you that have attachments & that go directly into my bulk box. THEY ARE CARRING VIRUS' > Check our your system > Debi > > Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote: > Hi Debi, > Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest. > This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to. > Love > Papia > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > Thank you for replying. > From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions. > Like: > Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place. > DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities? > Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best? > Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others? > > Thanks you everyone! > Now I have some good points to think about. > Debi > > > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > Namaste Debi: > > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. > > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. > > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing. > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults. > > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct. > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created. > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. > > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements. > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in > it and be who we are. > > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey. > > Reaching for Enlightenment, > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310,000 Mortgage for $999/mo - Calculate new house payment > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 Debi, You should check out the all the info in the files section of the Forum site. Especially, if you haven't already downloaded and printed it out, the transcripts of the wonderful Beginner's Shiva Puja class Nanda did online a couple years ago. There are a couple of basic diagrams showing the basic requirements for the altar, and beyond those, your own design bhaava is all that is necessary. Regarding the lingam, it seems you've gotten yourself a Narmada lingam? They are natural lingams in brown colors, usually with patterns, and, at least where I've seen them for sale, don't come with yonis (the support with the spout). Steve has posted a couple of pictures of his Narmada lingam in the photos section, if you're interested... I think it's a great idea to make a yoni out of clay. I wish I had the skill and where-with-all to do that! Here's the link to Steve's (aka. Bingo_Ridley) lingam: http://ph./photos/view/bd23?b=3 Here's the link to Jay's Narmada lingam (a darker one, with a magnificent kundalini yoni): http://ph./photos/view/bd23?b=12 And here's the link to the Shiva Puja series file: Beginner%20Shiva%20Puja/ Jai Maa! Chris , Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > > Thanks for telling me. > I was so afraid it may be in her computer and her not know it. > Now I know just to delete them. > > On another subject: > Shiva Puja (Beginner) > Setting up alter: Is there any special things I need to do. > Looked at others photos and have set one up as best can but wasn't sure > if I had done it correctly. > > Also about lingams. Purchased a large stone from river called Lingam stone & of course it's not what I'm seeing in photos on file. Is it the same thing but in natural form & if so I had planed to make a clay dish so it sat like photos and had a drain.spout. > > I know I probly am not using correct words for all these things not to mention my spelling is bad & haven't got a spell check, SORRY, so please forgive & correct me when need be. > > Thank you, > Have so much to learn but the learning has been wonderful so far. > Debi > > > > > Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 wrote: > Hi Debi, > > This has been a periodic, but regular, problem here. It's not even > necessarily Papia's computer. Sometimes someone mines an address from > our site and then uses it to (try to) propagate viruses. > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > , Debra McDaniel <student61754@> > wrote: > > > > Papia, > > I have recieved 3 now emails from you that have attachments & that > go directly into my bulk box. THEY ARE CARRING VIRUS' > > Check our your system > > Debi > > > > Papia Roy <roy.papia@> wrote: > > Hi Debi, > > Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with > great interest. > > This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to > project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in > their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their > eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or > pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into > this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am > able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an > especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so > immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to. > > Love > > Papia > > > > Debra McDaniel <student61754@> wrote: > > Thank you for replying. > > From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask > myself a few more questions. > > Like: > > Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place. > > DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or > abilities? > > Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best? > > Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind > work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or > am I trying to be liked by others? > > > > Thanks you everyone! > > Now I have some good points to think about. > > Debi > > > > > > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@> wrote: > > Namaste Debi: > > > > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, > and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are > downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not > judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. > > > > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain > situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if > they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. > > > > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy > perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We > should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. > > > > Jai Ma! > > Shankari Kali > > > > Debra McDaniel <student61754@> wrote: > > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge > others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same > thing. > > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line > between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements > in the case of others faults. > > > > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of > any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order > to make decisions and direct. > > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those > who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes > cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and > have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of > cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive > person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what > ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel > they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just > play the game with them by the rules they created. > > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing > Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be > like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise > in his own conceit. > > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that > I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. > > > > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain > of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how > to correctly deal with these judgements. > > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you > can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's > part of life and we have to learn how to be in > > it and be who we are. > > > > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me > better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be > a better person in our journey. > > > > Reaching for Enlightenment, > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, > Associate - Click now to apply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 16, 2006 Thanks, updated yesterday will do. Debi Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote: So far as I know there is nothing that can be done, except: If you are getting these emails in your personal email box (on your computer), MAKE SURE YOU UPDATE YOUR ANTIVIRUS DEFINITIONS DAILY!!! If you get them in your mailbox, they already test each file, so you're generally safe. Jai Maa! Chris , Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote: > > Hi Debi, > I have not sent you any email after the one I sent as response below. I suspect it is the work of bot-nets and that the address has been spoofed. I had a couple of those in my bulk mailbox too. > I am not sure if there is anything I can do about this. If anyone has a solution, please share. > Thanks > Papia > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > Papia, > I have recieved 3 now emails from you that have attachments & that go directly into my bulk box. THEY ARE CARRING VIRUS' > Check our your system > Debi > > Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote: > Hi Debi, > Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest. > This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to. > Love > Papia > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > Thank you for replying. > From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions. > Like: > Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place. > DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities? > Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best? > Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others? > > Thanks you everyone! > Now I have some good points to think about. > Debi > > > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > Namaste Debi: > > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. > > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. > > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing. > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults. > > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct. > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created. > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. > > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements. > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in > it and be who we are. > > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey. > > Reaching for Enlightenment, > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310,000 Mortgage for $999/mo - Calculate new house payment > Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Chris, Thanks so much for your response:) So far I've only got them in my mailbox. I run a virus scan each morning, so I was a little worried. Take care papia Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote: So far as I know there is nothing that can be done, except: If you are getting these emails in your personal email box (on your computer), MAKE SURE YOU UPDATE YOUR ANTIVIRUS DEFINITIONS DAILY!!! If you get them in your mailbox, they already test each file, so you're generally safe. Jai Maa! Chris , Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote: > > Hi Debi, > I have not sent you any email after the one I sent as response below. I suspect it is the work of bot-nets and that the address has been spoofed. I had a couple of those in my bulk mailbox too. > I am not sure if there is anything I can do about this. If anyone has a solution, please share. > Thanks > Papia > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > Papia, > I have recieved 3 now emails from you that have attachments & that go directly into my bulk box. THEY ARE CARRING VIRUS' > Check our your system > Debi > > Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote: > Hi Debi, > Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest. > This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to. > Love > Papia > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > Thank you for replying. > From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions. > Like: > Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place. > DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities? > Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best? > Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others? > > Thanks you everyone! > Now I have some good points to think about. > Debi > > > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > Namaste Debi: > > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. > > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. > > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote: > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing. > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults. > > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct. > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created. > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. > > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements. > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in > it and be who we are. > > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey. > > Reaching for Enlightenment, > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310,000 Mortgage for $999/mo - Calculate new house payment > Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Dan, Thank you so much for your kind words. "Brave" is not a word I would ever use to describe myself:) I believe it becomes easier to do if we think that we are doing it to help ourselves. To understand is to forgive, even to love, and to do that is to be free. Regards Papia , "Dan" <dhkerrmail wrote: > > Papia: > > Wow, you are brave. > I've tried to do that. > It seems to me that many peoples manifestations come from some old > inner wound that they are compensating for. Unfortunately they have > never found a way to heal that wound. And most people in society are > going along ignoring their wounds; so it seems like, 'why should I > bother?' > But anyway; admirable advice. > > Thanks for contributing, > > Dan > > , Debra McDaniel <student61754@> > wrote: > > > > Thank you Papai, > > That was so well stated. > > Thank you so very, very much. > > I do this too but not until after the fact. > > I need to work on seeing things more clearly before acting on > them. > > This is a big help. > > Debi > > > > Papia Roy <roy.papia@> wrote: > > Hi Debi, > > Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with > great interest. > > This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to > project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in > their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through > their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, > bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in > their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, > even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without > bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able > to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to. > > Love > > Papia > > > > Debra McDaniel <student61754@> wrote: > > Thank you for replying. > > From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask > myself a few more questions. > > Like: > > Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place. > > DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or > abilities? > > Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best? > > Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind > work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or > am I trying to be liked by others? > > > > Thanks you everyone! > > Now I have some good points to think about. > > Debi > > > > > > Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@> wrote: > > Namaste Debi: > > > > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, > and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are > downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not > judging these individuals takes Herculean effort. > > > > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain > situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if > they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise. > > > > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy > perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We > should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective. > > > > Jai Ma! > > Shankari Kali > > > > Debra McDaniel <student61754@> wrote: > > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge > others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same > thing. > > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line > between making assesments in a situation to help and making > judgements in the case of others faults. > > > > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of > any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in > order to make decisions and direct. > > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those > who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes > cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and > have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of > cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive > person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what > ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel > they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just > play the game with them by the rules they created. > > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing > Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be > like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be > wise in his own conceit. > > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel > that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself. > > > > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain > of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how > to correctly deal with these judgements. > > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you > can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's > part of life and we have to learn how to be in > > it and be who we are. > > > > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help > me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can > be a better person in our journey. > > > > Reaching for Enlightenment, > > Debi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsored Link > > > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, > Associate - Click now to apply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
