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Regarding being in judgement:

 

Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people can do

to, as far as behavior-modifications go; that has no downside

whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement of

others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good reason

for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have taught us

that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in finding

other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at their

faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient way

of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving our

own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better world.

 

 

, Manjit Chopra <manjitc wrote:

>

> Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> Gobinder chopra. manjitc

>

> --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 wrote:

>

> > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > distinction between

> > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > that distinction is a

> > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > falling off it. Being

> > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > myself, I lack the

> > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > I'd like.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , "gauri_108"

> > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > something very

> > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > behavior

> > > modification sankalpas.

> > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > a little bit of

> > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > love. If you have

> > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > something less than

> > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > with your truthful

> > > behavior."

> > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > apologies for

> > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > >

> > > Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai Maa,

> > > gauri

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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You are so right, Dan.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

, "Dan" <dhkerrmail wrote:

>

> Regarding being in judgement:

>

> Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people can do

> to, as far as behavior-modifications go; that has no downside

> whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement of

> others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good reason

> for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have taught us

> that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in finding

> other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at their

> faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient way

> of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving our

> own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better world.

>

>

> , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> >

> > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> >

> > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > distinction between

> > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > that distinction is a

> > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > falling off it. Being

> > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > myself, I lack the

> > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > I'd like.

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "gauri_108"

> > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > something very

> > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > behavior

> > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > a little bit of

> > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > love. If you have

> > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > something less than

> > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > with your truthful

> > > > behavior."

> > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > apologies for

> > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > > >

> > > > Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai Maa,

> > > > gauri

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I agree with both Dan and Chris, judging others brings absolutely no benefit! Actually, from my own personal experiences, when judging others and pointing out their faults, these faults also become your own! And this is not something one would desire, adding to your own faults - no no no!!! I've got quite enough already to deal with. Find all faults within oneself...

 

Jaye Kali Maa.

Gyandesh.

 

 

 

Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 >

 

Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:17:19 AM

[www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Judgement

 

You are so right, Dan.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

, "Dan" <dhkerrmail@ ...> wrote:

>

> Regarding being in judgement:

>

> Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people can do

> to, as far as behavior-modificati ons go; that has no downside

> whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement of

> others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good reason

> for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have taught us

> that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in finding

> other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at their

> faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient way

> of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving our

> own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better world.

>

>

> , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> >

> > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@ > wrote:

> >

> > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > distinction between

> > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > that distinction is a

> > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > falling off it. Being

> > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > myself, I lack the

> > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > I'd like.

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "gauri_108"

> > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > something very

> > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > behavior

> > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > a little bit of

> > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > love. If you have

> > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > something less than

> > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > with your truthful

> > > > behavior."

> > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > apologies for

> > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > > >

> > > > Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaai Maa,

> > > > gauri

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults.

When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct.

BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created.

At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in

it and be who we are.

So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey.

Reaching for Enlightenment,

Debi

 

gyandesh ragoonath <gyandesh > wrote:

I agree with both Dan and Chris, judging others brings absolutely no benefit! Actually, from my own personal experiences, when judging others and pointing out their faults, these faults also become your own! And this is not something one would desire, adding to your own faults - no no no!!! I've got quite enough already to deal with. Find all faults within oneself...

Jaye Kali Maa.

Gyandesh.

 

 

Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 >

 

Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:17:19 AM

[www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Judgement

 

You are so right, Dan.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

, "Dan" <dhkerrmail@ ...> wrote:

>

> Regarding being in judgement:

>

> Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people can do

> to, as far as behavior-modificati ons go; that has no downside

> whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement of

> others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good reason

> for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have taught us

> that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in finding

> other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at their

> faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient way

> of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving our

> own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better world.

>

>

> , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> >

> > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@ > wrote:

> >

> > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > distinction between

> > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > that distinction is a

> > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > falling off it. Being

> > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > myself, I lack the

> > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > I'd like.

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "gauri_108"

> > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > something very

> > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > behavior

> > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > a little bit of

> > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > love. If you have

> > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > something less than

> > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > with your truthful

> > > > behavior."

> > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > apologies for

> > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > > >

> > > > Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaai Maa,

> > > > gauri

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year.

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In a message dated 11/10/2006 8:47:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

gyandesh writes:

 

Actually, from my own personal experiences, when judging others and pointing

out their faults, these faults also become your own! And this is not

something one would desire, adding to your own faults - no no no!!!

 

 

Namaste gyandesh

 

I agree with your conclusion. Gurudeva said that when you see a fault in

others it is usually something in your own subconscious just waiting to

manifest. Best to work on that and those that have manifested.

 

Love

 

Om Namah Sivaya

 

Kanda

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Namaste Debi:

 

This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

 

Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

 

Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

 

Jai Ma!

Shankari Kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults.

When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct.

BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created.

At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in

it and be who we are.

So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey.

Reaching for Enlightenment,

Debi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Debbie,

 

I feel for your position, and I applaud your compassionate heart and

self-inquiry. Most people actively seek power over others, but having

power over others is a burden. Only a person with compassion can

really see it, I think. We are just too blind, too limited, too

egotistical to see the truth of others and of situations; we make

mistakes that create harm.

 

I have no specific advice for you, but to reiterate what Gauri related

that Shree Maa said to her, "Be love." You have to do your duty, your

dharma, but you can at least minimize the possibility of harm to

others by taking yourself out of the equation as much as possible

(your passions, likes and dislikes, etc.), by relying on God and

"be(ing) love".

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

, Debra McDaniel <student61754

wrote:

>

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others

and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements

in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order

to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive

person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what

ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

play the game with them by the rules they created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise

in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that

I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how

to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me

better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be

a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> gyandesh ragoonath <gyandesh wrote:

> I agree with both Dan and Chris, judging others brings

absolutely no benefit! Actually, from my own personal experiences,

when judging others and pointing out their faults, these faults also

become your own! And this is not something one would desire, adding to

your own faults - no no no!!! I've got quite enough already to deal

with. Find all faults within oneself...

>

> Jaye Kali Maa.

> Gyandesh.

>

>

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956

>

> Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:17:19 AM

> [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Judgement

>

> You are so right, Dan.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

> , "Dan" <dhkerrmail@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Regarding being in judgement:

> >

> > Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people can do

> > to, as far as behavior-modificati ons go; that has no downside

> > whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement of

> > others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good reason

> > for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have taught us

> > that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in finding

> > other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> > aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at their

> > faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient way

> > of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> > people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving our

> > own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> > desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better world.

> >

> >

> > , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> > >

> > > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > > distinction between

> > > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > > that distinction is a

> > > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > > falling off it. Being

> > > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > > myself, I lack the

> > > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > > I'd like.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "gauri_108"

> > > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > > something very

> > > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > > behavior

> > > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > > a little bit of

> > > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > > love. If you have

> > > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > > something less than

> > > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > > with your truthful

> > > > > behavior."

> > > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > > apologies for

> > > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > > > >

> > > > > Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaai Maa,

> > > > > gauri

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

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Debi, thank you for your very helpful post. I think what you are

talking about is discrimination, a critical important tool in one's

spititual kit; and I was so empowered by your quote from Proverbs

that my Bible was taken from the shelf as my husband and I had a

wonderful discussion about the two verses you mentioned. Divine

Mother, through you and Proverbs, has given me direction regarding a

difficult family situation. Love and blessings, Karen

 

 

, Debra McDaniel

<student61754 wrote:

>

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge

others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the

same thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making

judgements in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership

of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in

order to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the

disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they

have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't

understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does

not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they

created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be

wise in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel

that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a

chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding

of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help

me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I

can be a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> gyandesh ragoonath <gyandesh wrote:

> I agree with both Dan and Chris, judging others

brings absolutely no benefit! Actually, from my own personal

experiences, when judging others and pointing out their faults,

these faults also become your own! And this is not something one

would desire, adding to your own faults - no no no!!! I've got quite

enough already to deal with. Find all faults within oneself...

>

> Jaye Kali Maa.

> Gyandesh.

>

>

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956

>

> Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:17:19 AM

> [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Judgement

>

> You are so right, Dan.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

> , "Dan" <dhkerrmail@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Regarding being in judgement:

> >

> > Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people

can do

> > to, as far as behavior-modificati ons go; that has no downside

> > whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement

of

> > others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good

reason

> > for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have

taught us

> > that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in

finding

> > other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> > aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at

their

> > faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient

way

> > of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> > people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving

our

> > own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> > desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better

world.

> >

> >

> > , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> > >

> > > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > > distinction between

> > > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > > that distinction is a

> > > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > > falling off it. Being

> > > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > > myself, I lack the

> > > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > > I'd like.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "gauri_108"

> > > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > > something very

> > > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > > behavior

> > > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > > a little bit of

> > > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > > love. If you have

> > > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > > something less than

> > > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > > with your truthful

> > > > > behavior."

> > > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > > apologies for

> > > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > > > >

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> > > > > gauri

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I think it is important to realize that people are not their

behaviors. We cannot see the soul-part of the person; but need to

realize that it is there. Nevertheless; when people insist on certain

behaviors that cause pain to others; we need to ask whether there is

any benefit we can bring to that persons society. And if a person's

actions are negatively affecting us; we need to use our values to

decide, well, what are we doing there.

 

Being at work adds an economic angle that makes decisions more difficult.

 

You have my sympathy.

 

Personally I like to leave people the hell that they're making; and

let God take care of them. Just focus on your mantra.

 

But this may not work for everybody.

 

Luck!

 

Dan

 

, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali

wrote:

>

> Namaste Debi:

>

> This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world,

and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are

downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not

judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

>

> Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain

situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if

they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

>

> Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy

perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We

should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

>

> Jai Ma!

> Shankari Kali

>

> Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote:

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others

and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements

in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order

to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive

person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what

ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

play the game with them by the rules they created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise

in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that

I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how

to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me

better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be

a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

>

>

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Thanks Chris,

Good advice!

I'll do my best.

I'm going to be thinking a lot about what you've said.

Debi

 

Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote:

Hi Debbie,

 

I feel for your position, and I applaud your compassionate heart and

self-inquiry. Most people actively seek power over others, but having

power over others is a burden. Only a person with compassion can

really see it, I think. We are just too blind, too limited, too

egotistical to see the truth of others and of situations; we make

mistakes that create harm.

 

I have no specific advice for you, but to reiterate what Gauri related

that Shree Maa said to her, "Be love." You have to do your duty, your

dharma, but you can at least minimize the possibility of harm to

others by taking yourself out of the equation as much as possible

(your passions, likes and dislikes, etc.), by relying on God and

"be(ing) love".

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

, Debra McDaniel <student61754

wrote:

>

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others

and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements

in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order

to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive

person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what

ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

play the game with them by the rules they created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise

in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that

I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how

to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me

better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be

a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> gyandesh ragoonath <gyandesh wrote:

> I agree with both Dan and Chris, judging others brings

absolutely no benefit! Actually, from my own personal experiences,

when judging others and pointing out their faults, these faults also

become your own! And this is not something one would desire, adding to

your own faults - no no no!!! I've got quite enough already to deal

with. Find all faults within oneself...

>

> Jaye Kali Maa.

> Gyandesh.

>

>

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956

>

> Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:17:19 AM

> [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Judgement

>

> You are so right, Dan.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

> , "Dan" <dhkerrmail@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Regarding being in judgement:

> >

> > Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people can do

> > to, as far as behavior-modificati ons go; that has no downside

> > whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement of

> > others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good reason

> > for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have taught us

> > that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in finding

> > other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> > aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at their

> > faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient way

> > of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> > people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving our

> > own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> > desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better world.

> >

> >

> > , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> > >

> > > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > > distinction between

> > > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > > that distinction is a

> > > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > > falling off it. Being

> > > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > > myself, I lack the

> > > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > > I'd like.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "gauri_108"

> > > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > > something very

> > > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > > behavior

> > > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > > a little bit of

> > > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > > love. If you have

> > > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > > something less than

> > > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > > with your truthful

> > > > > behavior."

> > > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > > apologies for

> > > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > > > >

> > > > > Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaai Maa,

> > > > > gauri

> > > > >

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Thank you for replying.

From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions.

Like:

Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place.

DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities?

Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best?

Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others?

Thanks you everyone!

Now I have some good points to think about.

Debi

 

Shankari Kali <shankari_kali > wrote:

Namaste Debi:

 

This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

 

Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

 

Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

 

Jai Ma!

Shankari Kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults.

When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct.

BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created.

At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in

it and be who we are.

So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey.

Reaching for Enlightenment,

Debi

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Debi,

Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest.

This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to.

Love

Papia

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

Thank you for replying.

From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions.

Like:

Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place.

DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities?

Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best?

Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others?

Thanks you everyone!

Now I have some good points to think about.

Debi

 

Shankari Kali <shankari_kali > wrote:

Namaste Debi:

 

This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

 

Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

 

Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

 

Jai Ma!

Shankari Kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults.

When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct.

BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created.

At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in

it and be who we are.

So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey.

Reaching for Enlightenment,

Debi

 

 

 

 

 

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What Dan wrote makes good sense. For me, I know that too often I want

to "fix" people, which in a way is just messing around with their

karma. I have no business doing that unless they ask for help or send

some sort of cue that makes assistance reasonable. What Dan wrote

sounds a bit harsh, but I know what he means. Regarding being in the

world, especially the work world, MMY once said, "See the job. Do the

job. Stay out of the misery." Love and blessings, Karen

 

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> Personally I like to leave people the hell that they're making; and

> let God take care of them. Just focus on your mantra.

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Debi,

 

Sorry to intrude on this discussion, but it's not wrong to be a leader. Some people have leadership abilities, and it's their dharma to lead. As a leader you often have to make decisions, and these decisions require discernment. Nothing wrong with using your noggin.

 

Blessings,

Shankari kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

Thank you for replying.

From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions.

Like:

Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place.

DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities?

Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best?

Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others?

Thanks you everyone!

Now I have some good points to think about.

Debi

 

Shankari Kali <shankari_kali > wrote:

Namaste Debi:

 

This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

 

Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

 

Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

 

Jai Ma!

Shankari Kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults.

When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct.

BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created.

At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in

it and be who we are.

So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey.

Reaching for Enlightenment,

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Focus on my mantra!

Thanks!

That will be my goal in dealing with this.

Debi

 

Dan <dhkerrmail > wrote:

I think it is important to realize that people are not their

behaviors. We cannot see the soul-part of the person; but need to

realize that it is there. Nevertheless; when people insist on certain

behaviors that cause pain to others; we need to ask whether there is

any benefit we can bring to that persons society. And if a person's

actions are negatively affecting us; we need to use our values to

decide, well, what are we doing there.

 

Being at work adds an economic angle that makes decisions more difficult.

 

You have my sympathy.

 

Personally I like to leave people the hell that they're making; and

let God take care of them. Just focus on your mantra.

 

But this may not work for everybody.

 

Luck!

 

Dan

 

, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali

wrote:

>

> Namaste Debi:

>

> This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world,

and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are

downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not

judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

>

> Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain

situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if

they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

>

> Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy

perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We

should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

>

> Jai Ma!

> Shankari Kali

>

> Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote:

 

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others

and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements

in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order

to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive

person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what

ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

play the game with them by the rules they created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise

in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that

I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how

to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me

better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be

a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

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Shankari Kali,

Please don't feel you are intruding.

Everyone has helped with their ideas and I thank all of you.

I do enjoy my position with the group, I work with and I want to serve them well and with a good heart. All the advise is very helpful. Thanks for taking the time to add your thoughts on this. Each day I check my email & feel I gain a little more information that helps me to deal with the situation in a better light.

Debi

 

Shankari Kali <shankari_kali > wrote:

Debi,

 

Sorry to intrude on this discussion, but it's not wrong to be a leader. Some people have leadership abilities, and it's their dharma to lead. As a leader you often have to make decisions, and these decisions require discernment. Nothing wrong with using your noggin.

 

Blessings,

Shankari kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

Thank you for replying.

From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions.

Like:

Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place.

DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities?

Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best?

Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others?

Thanks you everyone!

Now I have some good points to think about.

Debi

 

Shankari Kali <shankari_kali > wrote:

Namaste Debi:

 

This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

 

Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

 

Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

 

Jai Ma!

Shankari Kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults.

When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct.

BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created.

At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in

it and be who we are.

So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey.

Reaching for Enlightenment,

Debi

 

 

 

 

 

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Karen,

Thanks I agree. I have a problem with wanting to help fix things.

My excuse is that I just want the best for everyone involved.. I'm acused of trying to always be the peace maker. Guilty I am. At 52 life seems to precious to waist on petty hates and dislikes so I just jump in to fix everything.

Debi

 

forall10q <forall10q > wrote:

What Dan wrote makes good sense. For me, I know that too often I want

to "fix" people, which in a way is just messing around with their

karma. I have no business doing that unless they ask for help or send

some sort of cue that makes assistance reasonable. What Dan wrote

sounds a bit harsh, but I know what he means. Regarding being in the

world, especially the work world, MMY once said, "See the job. Do the

job. Stay out of the misery." Love and blessings, Karen

 

, "Dan" <dhkerrmail wrote:

> Personally I like to leave people the hell that they're making; and

> let God take care of them. Just focus on your mantra.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you Papai,

That was so well stated.

Thank you so very, very much.

I do this too but not until after the fact.

I need to work on seeing things more clearly before acting on them.

This is a big help.

Debi

 

Papia Roy <roy.papia > wrote:

Hi Debi,

Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest.

This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to.

Love

Papia

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

Thank you for replying.

From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions.

Like:

Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place.

DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities?

Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best?

Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others?

Thanks you everyone!

Now I have some good points to think about.

Debi

 

Shankari Kali <shankari_kali > wrote:

Namaste Debi:

 

This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

 

Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

 

Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

 

Jai Ma!

Shankari Kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults.

When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct.

BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created.

At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in

it and be who we are.

So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey.

Reaching for Enlightenment,

Debi

 

 

 

 

 

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Karen,

I'm so glad it was helpful to you. You'll be in my thoughts and prayers in your situation. These emails have ALL been such a big help to me.

Debi

 

forall10q <forall10q > wrote:

Debi, thank you for your very helpful post. I think what you are

talking about is discrimination, a critical important tool in one's

spititual kit; and I was so empowered by your quote from Proverbs

that my Bible was taken from the shelf as my husband and I had a

wonderful discussion about the two verses you mentioned. Divine

Mother, through you and Proverbs, has given me direction regarding a

difficult family situation. Love and blessings, Karen

 

, Debra McDaniel

<student61754 wrote:

>

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge

others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the

same thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making

judgements in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership

of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in

order to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the

disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they

have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't

understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does

not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they

created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be

wise in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel

that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a

chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding

of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help

me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I

can be a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> gyandesh ragoonath <gyandesh wrote:

> I agree with both Dan and Chris, judging others

brings absolutely no benefit! Actually, from my own personal

experiences, when judging others and pointing out their faults,

these faults also become your own! And this is not something one

would desire, adding to your own faults - no no no!!! I've got quite

enough already to deal with. Find all faults within oneself...

>

> Jaye Kali Maa.

> Gyandesh.

>

>

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956

>

> Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:17:19 AM

> [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Judgement

>

> You are so right, Dan.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

> , "Dan" <dhkerrmail@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Regarding being in judgement:

> >

> > Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people

can do

> > to, as far as behavior-modificati ons go; that has no downside

> > whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement

of

> > others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good

reason

> > for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have

taught us

> > that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in

finding

> > other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> > aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at

their

> > faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient

way

> > of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> > people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving

our

> > own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> > desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better

world.

> >

> >

> > , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> > >

> > > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > > distinction between

> > > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > > that distinction is a

> > > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > > falling off it. Being

> > > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > > myself, I lack the

> > > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > > I'd like.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "gauri_108"

> > > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > > something very

> > > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > > behavior

> > > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > > a little bit of

> > > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > > love. If you have

> > > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > > something less than

> > > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > > with your truthful

> > > > > behavior."

> > > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > > apologies for

> > > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > > > >

> > > > > Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaai Maa,

> > > > > gauri

> > > > >

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Hi Debi,

 

Maybe you're supposed to be there, struggling...(someone has to, after

all) :)

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

, Debra McDaniel <student61754

wrote:

>

> Thank you for replying.

> From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask

myself a few more questions.

> Like:

> Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place.

> DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or

abilities?

> Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best?

> Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind

work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or

am I trying to be liked by others?

>

> Thanks you everyone!

> Now I have some good points to think about.

> Debi

>

>

> Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote:

> Namaste Debi:

>

> This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world,

and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are

downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not

judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

>

> Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain

situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if

they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

>

> Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy

perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We

should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

>

> Jai Ma!

> Shankari Kali

>

> Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote:

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge

others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same

thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements

in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order

to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive

person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what

ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

play the game with them by the rules they created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise

in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that

I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how

to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me

better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be

a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

>

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Namaste Debi,

 

Sorry for taking so long to post....i've been away (and sorry if this

answer has already been given). Shree Maa has suggested one technique

for dealing with judgement and I have been putting it to the

test...over and over and over... ;)

Any time you notice yourself making a judgement of another's action

(or inaction), take a breath and chant a mantra x number of

times....for me it has been 21 because (yes there is method to the

madness) it is not to long as to make me look crazy to an "uninitiated

person" and long enough to make the thought disintegrate!

 

Hope this helps.

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai Maa,

gauri

 

, Debra McDaniel <student61754

wrote:

>

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others

and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements

in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order

to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive

person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what

ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

play the game with them by the rules they created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise

in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that

I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how

to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me

better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be

a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> gyandesh ragoonath <gyandesh wrote:

> I agree with both Dan and Chris, judging others brings

absolutely no benefit! Actually, from my own personal experiences,

when judging others and pointing out their faults, these faults also

become your own! And this is not something one would desire, adding to

your own faults - no no no!!! I've got quite enough already to deal

with. Find all faults within oneself...

>

> Jaye Kali Maa.

> Gyandesh.

>

>

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956

>

> Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:17:19 AM

> [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Judgement

>

> You are so right, Dan.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

> , "Dan" <dhkerrmail@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Regarding being in judgement:

> >

> > Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people can do

> > to, as far as behavior-modificati ons go; that has no downside

> > whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement of

> > others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good reason

> > for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have taught us

> > that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in finding

> > other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> > aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at their

> > faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient way

> > of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> > people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving our

> > own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> > desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better world.

> >

> >

> > , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> > >

> > > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > > distinction between

> > > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > > that distinction is a

> > > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > > falling off it. Being

> > > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > > myself, I lack the

> > > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > > I'd like.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "gauri_108"

> > > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > > something very

> > > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > > behavior

> > > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > > a little bit of

> > > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > > love. If you have

> > > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > > something less than

> > > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > > with your truthful

> > > > > behavior."

> > > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > > apologies for

> > > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

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Yes, Dan suggested this also.

Do you have a mantra in mind?

I'm working on my beginner Shiva Puja

& was considering:

Om Krttivasase namah (Om, we bow to he who resides in all action)

stham, sthim, sthiro bhava phat (Be still in the gross body, subtile body & causal

body PURIFY)

santam no-stu krta krtam (peace to all cause & efects)

Debi

 

gauri_108 <gauri_108 > wrote:

Namaste Debi,

 

Sorry for taking so long to post....i've been away (and sorry if this

answer has already been given). Shree Maa has suggested one technique

for dealing with judgement and I have been putting it to the

test...over and over and over... ;)

Any time you notice yourself making a judgement of another's action

(or inaction), take a breath and chant a mantra x number of

times....for me it has been 21 because (yes there is method to the

madness) it is not to long as to make me look crazy to an "uninitiated

person" and long enough to make the thought disintegrate!

 

Hope this helps.

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai Maa,

gauri

 

, Debra McDaniel <student61754

wrote:

>

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others

and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements

in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order

to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive

person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what

ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

play the game with them by the rules they created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise

in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that

I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how

to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me

better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be

a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> gyandesh ragoonath <gyandesh wrote:

> I agree with both Dan and Chris, judging others brings

absolutely no benefit! Actually, from my own personal experiences,

when judging others and pointing out their faults, these faults also

become your own! And this is not something one would desire, adding to

your own faults - no no no!!! I've got quite enough already to deal

with. Find all faults within oneself...

>

> Jaye Kali Maa.

> Gyandesh.

>

>

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956

>

> Thursday, November 9, 2006 2:17:19 AM

> [www.ShreeMaa.org] Re: Judgement

>

> You are so right, Dan.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

> , "Dan" <dhkerrmail@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Regarding being in judgement:

> >

> > Refraining from judging others is one of the few things people can do

> > to, as far as behavior-modificati ons go; that has no downside

> > whatever. Only good results come from refraining from judgement of

> > others. We were not created for judgement; there is no good reason

> > for us to pursue this activity. However the world may have taught us

> > that there is something intelligent, witty or beneficial in finding

> > other people's faults. This is really false! People are well-

> > aware that they have faults; and if they choose not to look at their

> > faults today; it's probably because they have found no efficient way

> > of dealing with them. The time and energy it takes to find other

> > people's faults could be better-used in finding and dissolving our

> > own. You can't see your own faults while finding another's. And

> > desolving our own faults is the one sure way of making a better world.

> >

> >

> > , Manjit Chopra <manjitc@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry to Jump in my name is Gobinder chopra,i have a

> > > very small question for swami jee and Maa,Adayaya

> > > 4,sloka 17 of Durga saptashati/chandi path talks about

> > > Durga Beesa yantra please shed some light on it.Thanks

> > > Gobinder chopra. manjitc@

> > >

> > > --- Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Judging has always been a problem for me. I make a

> > > > distinction between

> > > > "knowing" things about others and "judging", but

> > > > that distinction is a

> > > > razor's edge, and unfortunately, I am too often

> > > > falling off it. Being

> > > > only love is a beautiful place to strive for. For

> > > > myself, I lack the

> > > > purity of heart to dwell in that place as much as

> > > > I'd like.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "gauri_108"

> > > > <gauri_108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was walking with Maa the other day and She said

> > > > something very

> > > > > important (what isn't???) and very relevant to our

> > > > behavior

> > > > > modification sankalpas.

> > > > > She said, "Do not judge others. If there is even

> > > > a little bit of

> > > > > judgement in your heart, you are falling. Be only

> > > > love. If you have

> > > > > to speak truth, speak truth (if someone is doing

> > > > something less than

> > > > > desirable). you will change people's behavior

> > > > with your truthful

> > > > > behavior."

> > > > > (This is not exact word for word, but close...my

> > > > apologies for

> > > > > liberties taken in paraphrasing)

> > > > >

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> > > > > gauri

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I realize there's a subtle judgement even in saying 'leave them to

the ... that they're making.

But sticking to the mantra recitations is a good way to go.

And I wouldn't dwell too much on the doubt aspect of 'why am I

choosing this. I'd go with the mantra when in doubt too.

Re-evaluation can be good; but doubt is not so helpful.

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

, Debra McDaniel <student61754

wrote:

>

> Focus on my mantra!

> Thanks!

> That will be my goal in dealing with this.

> Debi

>

> Dan <dhkerrmail wrote:

> I think it is important to realize that people are not

their

> behaviors. We cannot see the soul-part of the person; but need to

> realize that it is there. Nevertheless; when people insist on

certain

> behaviors that cause pain to others; we need to ask whether there is

> any benefit we can bring to that persons society. And if a person's

> actions are negatively affecting us; we need to use our values to

> decide, well, what are we doing there.

>

> Being at work adds an economic angle that makes decisions more

difficult.

>

> You have my sympathy.

>

> Personally I like to leave people the hell that they're making; and

> let God take care of them. Just focus on your mantra.

>

> But this may not work for everybody.

>

> Luck!

>

> Dan

>

> , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Debi:

> >

> > This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the

world,

> and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are

> downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not

> judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

> >

> > Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain

> situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but

if

> they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

> >

> > Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy

> perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We

> should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

> >

> > Jai Ma!

> > Shankari Kali

> >

> > Debra McDaniel <student61754@> wrote:

>

> > I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge

others

> and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same

thing.

> > I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

> between making assesments in a situation to help and making

judgements

> in the case of others faults.

> >

> > When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

> any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in

order

> to make decisions and direct.

> > BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

> who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

> cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

> have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

> cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the

disruptive

> person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do

what

> ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

> they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

> play the game with them by the rules they created.

> > At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

> Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

> like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be

wise

> in his own conceit.

> > I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that

> I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

> >

> > I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

> of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of

how

> to correctly deal with these judgements.

> > Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

> can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

> part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> > it and be who we are.

> >

> > So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me

> better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can

be

> a better person in our journey.

> >

> > Reaching for Enlightenment,

> > Debi

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Papia:

 

Wow, you are brave.

I've tried to do that.

It seems to me that many peoples manifestations come from some old

inner wound that they are compensating for. Unfortunately they have

never found a way to heal that wound. And most people in society are

going along ignoring their wounds; so it seems like, 'why should I

bother?'

But anyway; admirable advice.

 

Thanks for contributing,

 

Dan

 

, Debra McDaniel <student61754

wrote:

>

> Thank you Papai,

> That was so well stated.

> Thank you so very, very much.

> I do this too but not until after the fact.

> I need to work on seeing things more clearly before acting on

them.

> This is a big help.

> Debi

>

> Papia Roy <roy.papia wrote:

> Hi Debi,

> Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with

great interest.

> This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to

project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in

their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through

their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger,

bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in

their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion,

even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without

bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able

to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to.

> Love

> Papia

>

> Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote:

> Thank you for replying.

> From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask

myself a few more questions.

> Like:

> Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place.

> DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or

abilities?

> Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best?

> Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind

work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or

am I trying to be liked by others?

>

> Thanks you everyone!

> Now I have some good points to think about.

> Debi

>

>

> Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote:

> Namaste Debi:

>

> This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world,

and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are

downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not

judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

>

> Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain

situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if

they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

>

> Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy

perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We

should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

>

> Jai Ma!

> Shankari Kali

>

> Debra McDaniel <student61754 wrote:

> I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge

others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same

thing.

> I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line

between making assesments in a situation to help and making

judgements in the case of others faults.

>

> When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of

any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in

order to make decisions and direct.

> BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those

who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes

cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and

have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of

cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive

person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what

ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel

they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just

play the game with them by the rules they created.

> At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing

Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be

like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be

wise in his own conceit.

> I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel

that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

>

> I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain

of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how

to correctly deal with these judgements.

> Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you

can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's

part of life and we have to learn how to be in

> it and be who we are.

>

> So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help

me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can

be a better person in our journey.

>

> Reaching for Enlightenment,

> Debi

>

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Papia,

I have recieved 3 now emails from you that have attachments & that go directly into my bulk box. THEY ARE CARRING VIRUS'

Check our your system

Debi

 

Papia Roy <roy.papia > wrote:

Hi Debi,

Sorry to intrude into this discussion, which I was following with great interest.

This is what helps me - When someone behaves negatively, I try to project myself into them, literally walk out of myself and stand in their shoes and see the world through their eyes, see me through their eyes. And, I can often feel the confusion, or anger, bitterness, or pain that they have brought in from other areas in their life and into this moment. It usually fills me with compassion, even love, and I am able to walk away from the interaction without bitterness. In an especially difficult situation, I may not be able to do so immediately, but as soon as I can bring myself to.

Love

Papia

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

Thank you for replying.

From reading this and Chris' email in responce I am beginning ask myself a few more questions.

Like:

Why I put myself in a position of authority in the first place.

DId I want people to see how great I was because of my ideas or abilities?

Am I seeking to be in control because I feel "I" know what's best?

Do I simply want to help because I enjoy feeling my creative mind work and ourcome dificulties, does this make me like myself better or am I trying to be liked by others?

Thanks you everyone!

Now I have some good points to think about.

Debi

 

Shankari Kali <shankari_kali > wrote:

Namaste Debi:

 

This whole thing about judgement is a toughy. We live in the world, and sometimes the world is not very kind. Sometimes people are downright evil, and sometimes we get the evil end of the stick. Not judging these individuals takes Herculean effort.

 

Like Debi I think that often we have to use discernment in certain situations for self protection. We may not be judging someone, but if they intend to harm us, I think we need to be wise.

 

Sometimes we unenlightened folks view things from a cloudy perspective, and we really cannot see what is really happening. We should stop and wonder if we are judging from a faulty perspective.

 

Jai Ma!

Shankari Kali

 

Debra McDaniel <student61754 > wrote:

I have found this to be so true in my own life. When I judge others and act on it, it's not long before I'm going through the same thing.

I've been working on this lately myself. There is a fine line between making assesments in a situation to help and making judgements in the case of others faults.

When trying help someone or being in a position of leadership of any kind you have to make assesments of people and situations in order to make decisions and direct.

BUT sometimes when in a position of athority you run into those who are frightened or threateden by the situation & it then becomes cloudy for me. I begin to judge their actions and get protective and have to carefully watch my motives for action. With this kind of cituation I have found 99 % of the time I want to help the disruptive person but they don't want to be helped and feel they have to do what ever it is that they are doing. They just don't understand how cruel they are being and explaining it too them does not help. So I just play the game with them by the rules they created.

At this time I have fallen back on my christian up bringing Pro.26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I try to be as kind as I can to settle the situation but feel that I have been judgemental and get upset with myself.

I'm tell you all this not to ask for simpathy or to start a chain of talks on my problems but to try to come to an understanding of how to correctly deal with these judgements.

Sometimes I think it must be nice to be in a position where you can do your studies & not have to be involved with all this but it's part of life and we have to learn how to be in

it and be who we are.

So in that light I welcome any teachings you can offer too help me better understand myself in these judgemental situations. So I can be a better person in our journey.

Reaching for Enlightenment,

Debi

 

 

 

 

 

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