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September 16, 2006

Dear Divine Lakshmi,

The dictionaries give these meaning of Aanana.

n. the mouth

the face R. Ragh. &c.

entrance , door L.

Do you find head mentioned here? If we want to go into why Ravana was

called Dashanana and not Dashasheersha, the reason would consume much

time especially if we go on from topic to topic, leaving the original

thread and not adding to our knowledge in any manner.

I think you are deviating from my original comment, to which different

arguments have so far been presented by you and many others.

If I remember right, I said that Kundalini is auspicious whether dormant

or awakened and you and a few more thought otherwise. I have not seen

anything in support of the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious, so far.

Do you not think saying that Mother is gyani in dormant state and then

saying she is inauspicious a bit misleading? If we accept that then

Gyana will be inauspicious. All texts will be inauspicious and so will

all the statues of the Gods. I do not think that is the right position

per scriptures.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> When we refer to Ravana as "Dashaanana" does that mean he had only

> 10 faces and not 10 heads? What about other synonyms for Ravana like

> dashakantha, dasagreeva etc? Or when we talk of "sahasra seersha

> purushaH " are we talking only of heads without faces?

>

> :--))

>

> According to me, "triramani" suggests the Beautiful One who is

> embodiment of /resides in/revels in....gunatraya, roopatraya,

> avasthaatraya, maatritraya, bhoopuratraya, mandalatraya, konatraya,

> rekhaatraya, mantratraya, kootatraya, triputi etc.

>

> I hope you realize that here we are talking of one who has

> sthoola/sookshma/karana sareeras as well as trigunas. Please

> contrast this to "sphutashivashaktisamaagama beejankuraroopiNi

> paraashaktiH aNutharasookshmaanuttaravimarshalipi

> lakshyavigrahaabhaathi"-which means that union of shiva-shakti is

> like beejankura. At this juncture Paraashakti is so subtle as not to

> be perceived at all. She's like akasha and exists only as

> akshara/mantra swaroopini. Vagbhava koota!

>

> I refer you to the "oordhwamoolamadhaH shaakham ashwatham" example I

> quoted earlier, in this respect. What's is seen at the lower level

> is physical/gunamayi (sthoola/gross) manifestation, while at the

> higher level it's the unseen roots/beeja (sookshma/subtle)

> manifestation. Both belong to the same tree, but there is a

> difference in manifestation.

>

> Mother is definitely "gyaanini" at all times. But at Mooladhara the

> gyaana is only inert/potential. Suppose you have a great life-

> changing book (kundalini) in your house (body), shut up in a room

> (mooladhara). You do have the book, the potential to actuate

> yourself, but unless you open the room, read the book, allow that

> great wisdom to touch you and transform you, do you reap any benefit

> from its presence?

>

> Now, can I please have your understanding

> of "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä"?

>

> Perhaps we are unfairly imposing on others' time.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > I hope you do not want me to translate Aanana as head? I do not

> see you

> > disputing Kundalini in Mulaadhara being called Triramani, GYaanini

> etc.

> > though you think she is inauspicious there. May I know why? I hope

> you

> > do not dispute Lord Krishna's opinion on GYana.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing the nice shloka with us. I am sorry that I had

> > > indeed overlooked responding to it. In this regard, I have

> already

> > > given my explanation of what's auspicious and what's not, based

> on

> > > Soubhagya Bhaskaram.

> > >

> > > Can you please explain to me how you understand the

> > > phrase "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä".

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the same

> place,

> > > and if

> > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your arguments are

> > > acceptable.

> > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > >

> > > > I see that you have not given anything in support of your

> argument

> > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the shloka I

> sent

> > > you.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > >

> > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > >

> > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > >

> > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the head

> come...in

> > > the

> > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any other koota

> > > defined

> > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do you imply

> that

> > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of astrology

> mappings

> > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a simple

> principle in

> > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me, unless you are

> > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or want to

> confuse

> > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > >

> > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya intended

> that "bisa

> > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt kundalini at

> Mooladhara

> > > > > also they would have put it immediately after "mooladharaika

> > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari samsthithaa".

> > > > >

> > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a python at

> > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser than at

> sahasraara.

> > > > >

> > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not agni

> tattwatmika at

> > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha" happens only

> from

> > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and is ignited

> only

> > > when

> > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but a group of

> > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating the vacha.

> > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija protect the

> > > throat

> > > > > and not

> > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And her

> principal

> > > abode

> > > > > is

> > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara. However if you

> want

> > > to

> > > > > distort

> > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant you are

> free to

> > > do

> > > > > so. I

> > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm beeja is

> most

> > > dear

> > > > > to

> > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you need the

> > > reference).

> > > > > It

> > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that Kundalini means

> of

> > > the

> > > > > coiled

> > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that certainly does

> not

> > > mean

> > > > > what

> > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in Rudrayamala Tantra.

> Do

> > > you

> > > > > think

> > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is described as

> vagbhava

> > > beeja

> > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read the

> yamalas, i

> > > am

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of vagbhava

> > > koota...it's

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding kundalini.

> > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH" and talks of

> the

> > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with Shiva....mahe utsave

> > > tatratya

> > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH tatparataa yasyaaH.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

> the

> > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened kundalini,

> let me

> > > quote

> > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah. uttishtatha.

> maa

> > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up( the

> > > kundalini).

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on Kundalini.

> It's

> > > time

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%

> 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha

> > > (greed),

> > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply among

> the

> > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> intoxicated/drunk

> > > with

> > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini" and

> > > correct

> > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of both

> > > facets.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be routed

> > > towards

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the same?

> The

> > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use, is

> > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati, wisdom

> and

> > > power,

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > correct/judicious

> > > > > end

> > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is very

> > > very

> > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and krura. I

> > > also

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give malefic

> > > results,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

> refer

> > > to all

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

> losing

> > > an

> > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> exploration

> > > and

> > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

> see no

> > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > > operating at

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> young.

> > > So

> > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read Swamiji's

> > > biography

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> apparent

> > > robust

> > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart confirms

> > > with his

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not know

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there is a

> Kuja

> > > dosha

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

> bring

> > > our

> > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into astrological

> > > analysis

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are on

> the

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The two

> have

> > > to be

> > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an event but

> > > only

> > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> perhaps

> > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in that

> > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read my

> mail,

> > > I did

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only that

> it

> > > gave

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and always

> > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the topic,

> did

> > > its

> > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> Vivekananda's

> > > chart

> > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> powerful

> > > Raj

> > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

> you may

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

> Think

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> declaring

> > > that

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu and

> > > looking at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

> passed

> > > away

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> (3:59:13

> > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> (5:06:28

> > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is the

> 2nd

> > > lord

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in the

> > > house of

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the 2nd

> lord

> > > from

> > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> significations

> > > are

> > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early death.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

> house,

> > > can

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > > influence of

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th house? I

> am

> > > sure

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))but

> > > without the

> > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he created

> > > wherever

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

> strong

> > > Mars

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have not

> > > commented

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that

> the

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > > previous

> > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> people,

> > > and

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

> > > said.

> > > > > Did

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> sarcoma

> > > of

> > > > > left

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

> chart, in

> > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine the

> > > following

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd lord

> from

> > > Moon

> > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart, rahu

> is

> > > with

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

> which

> > > point

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

> ketu

> > > can

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect, if at

> > > all, was

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> (2:05:32

> > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> (8:49:14

> > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > (11:08:26

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> (12:47:04

> > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the dasa

> of

> > > the

> > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think their

> mind

> > > > > willed

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the above

> > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in my

> next

> > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

> > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> smritam has

> > > > > already

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> Mars/Venus

> > > in

> > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> through

> > > my

> > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that

> he

> > > was

> > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > > language.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

> P.M.

> > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> attributed

> > > to

> > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

> would

> > > all

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

> Pancha

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > > (barring

> > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > principles

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > reference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > > respected

> > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > > anything

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman,

> it

> > > would

> > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

> would

> > > of

> > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

> Raman

> > > that

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

> > > while

> > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

> about

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

> > > what

> > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find

> that

> > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

> their

> > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

> mars

> > > in 5th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn

> (9H)

> > > and

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > debilitated

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> for "vipareetam

> > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > placement in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives

> good

> > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> because i

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that

> with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > > shubha

> > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

> > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice

> the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

> > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

> giving

> > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then

> it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give

> bad

> > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets,

> > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> wouldn't

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust

> and

> > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

> to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala

> is

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

> read the

> > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > > nature

> > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

> would

> > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

> Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

> > > borne in

> > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> Duryodhana,

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

> > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac,

> the

> > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > > death,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> Rudras

> > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and

> not

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results

> of

> > > the

> > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > promotions

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time.

> It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9

> or so

> > > as

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

> > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and

> Rahu

> > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > > guessed

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

> > > after

> > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> instead

> > > of

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

> say so

> > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a

> papa

> > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> trikona

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> claimed

> > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and

> its

> > > home

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > popularly

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

> really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at

> > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

> water

> > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

> and i

> > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> writing,

> > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

> > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun

> were

> > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being

> in

> > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> > > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

> bodies,

> > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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September 16, 2006

Dear Prabodh,

I think there is some confusion here. Do you mean that one who is a

millionaire telling that from roof tops to poor people is speaking the

truth or an example of ego at its worst? If you think this is only

speaking the truth, then we look at what is ego from different perspectives.

About Krishna and Gita one must understand that unlike what is assumed

by many, one who reveals the knowledge to Arjuna is not Krishna of yadu

vamsha but the Par Brahman. That is why he refers to himself as Krishna

amongst Vrishni Vanshias. He does not go on announcing his greatness at

the beginning. He, first, reveals very deep knowledge to Arjuna. You

then observe Arjuna questioning Krishna and cross questioning him,

unlike what we are, perhaps, supposed to do with the pronouncements of

Lord Rama and King Ashwapati. You then see Lord Krishna telling Arjuna

about the importance of knowledge (of the lord within) and that this way

he can get emancipation. The we see the Lord explaining what is the

essence of his being in impersonal terms. He talks about the Param

Purusha indicating what he is referring to earlier and later at shloka

10 Adhyaaya 8. Arjuna again requests Lord Krishna about his different

rupas in shloka 18 Adhyaaya 10, saying he is desirous of hearing more

about the Lord's different rupas. after And he is saying what he says in

response to a query from Arjuna about knowing him in his entirety only

for imparting knowledge to Arjuna. If you read Gita in depth, you will

find him equating himself with gambling also. That is not egoistic or

what can be called bragging in modern terms.

I think it is better if we differentiate between what are the Vedic Laws

and what are perceived to be Vedic laws. That is why I quoted from

Manusmriti.

We can not selectively take examples of Kings from Vedic times and claim

them to be divine and without blemish and thus Vedas telling that King

can not have ego. We have to take all the Kings of that era, if we want

to convince others that in Vedic times the word King meant one who is

pious and none of his actions can be termed as on account of ego.

BY the way in both the speeches the Kings are not talking about taking

care of welfare of their subjects but how they have kept the Kingdom

either free of crimes or how they will give everything for the sake of

the Subjects.

I know this may appear like hairsplitting, but you talk of Vedic

injunction being the King taking care of welfare of his subjects and

therefore King means pious or non egoist or whatever way you want to put

it. And the speeches do not reflect that intent.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

>

> > If a King proclaiming his virtues himself is not ego then pray what

> is?

> > It is an accepted practice that one does not broadcast one's virtue

> > oneself.

>

> King proclaiming his virtues himself can not be an example of Ego

> specially it the king is speaking truth. At most it can be treated as

> expression of Pride but certainly not Ego. In this way even Krishna

> will be clubed as Egoist as he has proclaim so many things about

> himself in Geeta.

>

> > I am sure you recognize names of many Vedic Kings there. Do you

> think

> > Parashara was unaware of this and so he must have meant what you

> imply?

> >

>

> I do but the point is not that. As I said earlier that scriptures say

> that King should take Pride in welfare of his subjects and should not

> considered as absolute power. Some kings at vedic times have acted

> otherwise but that is not the point. Moreover there is no point in

> making conjuctures as what parashara thought and whether he was aware

> of the Kings not following scriptures,before writting Jyotish

> Grantha. In my humble opinion we can only comment on meanings of

> Vedic terms like 'King' in vedic context. My example of rama was to

> highlight the fact that there were kings who were ready to do

> anything for the welfare of their subjects. King's dharma was that

> only and Rama followed it.

>

> WIll write about Rahu again once this is resoived!

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prabodh,

> >

> > I can understand why you find it difficult to see ego in the

> speeches

> > that you quoted. That precisely is why I said that it is better not

> to

> > bring personalities in discussions on astrology, especially those

> whom

> > one may revere. It is not easy to be dispassionate about their

> actions

> > or speech.

> >

> > If a King proclaiming his virtues himself is not ego then pray what

> is?

> > It is an accepted practice that one does not broadcast one's virtue

> > oneself. I think you will understand the source of the following.

> > @tavan! @v pué;ae yt! £ jaya£ATma àja£#it h, ivàa> àa÷s! twa c£@tdœ

> yae

> > -taR sa Sm&t£A¼na. 9£45

> > 9.45. He only is a perfect man who consists (of three persons

> united),

> > his wife, himself, and his offspring; thus (says the Veda), and

> > (learned) Brahmanas propound this (maxim) likewise, 'The husband is

> > declared to be one with the wife.'

> >

> > And though as you have quoted Lord Rama saying " I will not mind

> any

> > affliction in abandoning my wife for the good of my subjects". and

> > called it Vedic Dharma. Let me quote Manusmriti on when a King

> should

> > give up his wife.

> > "Aapdw¡ xn< r]edœ daran! r]edœ xnErœ Aip, AaTman< stt< r]edœ darErœ

> Aip

> > xnErœ Aip." 7£213

> > 7.213.

> > For times of need let him preserve his wealth; at the expense of

> his

> > wealth let him preserve his wife; let him at all events preserve

> himself

> > even by (giving up) his wife and his wealth.

> >

> > So do you think that what was said was more of a boast or otherwise?

> >

> > About the conduct of Kings Manusmriti says:

> > sMmanadœ äaü[ae inTym! %iÖjet iv;adœ #v, Am&tSy£#v c£Aka'œ]edœ

> AvmanSy

> > svRda. 2£162

> >

> > venae ivnòae Aivnyat! £ n÷;z! c£@v paiwRv>, suda> pEjvnz! c£@v

> sumuoae

> > inimrœ @v c. 7£41

> > 7.41.

> > Through a want of humility Vena perished, likewise king Nahusha,

> Sudas,

> > the son of Pigavana, Sumukha, and Nemi.

> >

> > I am sure you recognize names of many Vedic Kings there. Do you

> think

> > Parashara was unaware of this and so he must have meant what you

> imply?

> >

> > Think again. It is easy to swear by one sage and think his words

> meant

> > what we want them to mean and it may be entirely different what he

> in

> > fact meant to convey.

> >

> > Endless debate on what is Mada is possible but Koshas, Higher

> Sanskrit

> > Grammar by M.R. Bhat and other sources do indicate that Mada is

> > primarily intoxication state, the reasons being variable. I think

> it is

> > well to remember that rahu delivers results based on the graha

> conjunct

> > or the lord of the Bhava occupied or 7th from itself and even those

> of

> > planets aspecting it ( by extension). No wonder that rahu occupying

> > house of Mars in 5th can cause problems in begetting progeny.

> >

> > If as you think Rahu who is Mada and that it means Pride then why

> Rahu

> > in 5th should create problems in the house of progeny. It should

> give

> > more progeny and with ease as the indications will be that of the

> jataka

> > having pride on account of multiple progeny. Though for the life of

> me I

> > do not understand why the combination given by you indicates that

> rahu

> > is Pride. And that, that is the reason for the person not having

> Progeny

> > or having difficulty in getting progeny.

> >

> > I do not find again, that Parashara is referring to Rahu only being

> in

> > the 5th or as you say Rahu alone in the example given by you. He

> on the

> > other hand does say that rahu has to be in a) 5th house and B) in

> the

> > rasi of Mars or aspected by Mars, for problems in begetting

> progeny. Or

> > have I not been able to understand what you are diriving at when

> you say

> > Parashara giving independent indications of rahu in the example

> given?

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar Ji namste

> > >

> > > >Most of the

> > > > speeches that you quote, if read with due detachment and

> ignoring

> > > the

> > > > personalities making them, would sound most egoist speeches to

> all

> > > and

> > > > sundry. I know saying this would raise

> > > > tempers on the list but truth must prevail.

> > >

> > > Exactly. Truth must prevail. Why a passionate speech by a vedic

> king

> > > should be treated as expression of Ego? If this is ego then every

> > > thing by a king towards his subjects will be ego.

> > > Ofcourse, I am nobody to object your views about that but it

> would be

> > > interesting to find out what excatly you considered as egoist in

> > > those speeches.

> > >

> > > > But one can go on arguing on this aspect to no end and

> bringing in

> > > the

> > > > ideal king as an example of King and conjecturing the Parashara

> > > meant

> > > > that King, while good for argument's sake may not be the right

> way

> > > to

> > > > look at astrological principles.

> > >

> > > I wanted to say that in a Vedic context, King means who takes

> pride

> > > in the welfare of the subjects and will not have absolute power

> like

> > > in western philosophy. Such vedic king may be ideal or may not be

> > > ideal but what vedic scriptures say must be kept in mind. If we

> > > believe that Parashara is vedic Jyotish Pravartak then there is no

> > > question about what he had in mind when he said about Surya being

> > > King. Terms which are Vedic should be treated on the Vedic

> context.

> > > It does not matter as to how many kings were cruel towards

> subjects

> > > in Vedic times what matters is that how scriptures describe the

> > > king.What are his duties and what should be his authority and how

> he

> > > should excercise it? That is why it essential to get in to what

> Vedas

> > > and Manu says about king's duties. If you feel that I am

> > > unnecessarily getting this point, I respectfully request you to

> > > please think on this.

> > >

> > > > Do you think Mada does not mean intoxication or state of

> > > intoxication in

> > > > Sanskrit?

> > >

> > > Mada does mean Intoxication but point is that it as well means

> Pride!

> > > Why to forget this? If Kalyan Verma says that Rahu is associated

> with

> > > Mada then all meanings of Mada will be associated with Rahu. That

> > > will include being intoxicated and as well being into state of

> Pride.

> > > Since rahu as well is understood as 'limitless' so naturally pride

> > > will be limitless and hence will be Ego.

> > >

> > > There is no doubt that Rahu gives the results like Shani or the

> lord

> > > of the house occupied by him but this possibly we apply more,

> when we

> > > are into timing of events. Otherwise why Parashara has said few

> > > things only related to Rahu? Like he says that 5th house Rahu when

> > > aspected by Mars or in the houses of Mars then the native will

> have

> > > problems in the progeny. He could have simply said in one line

> that

> > > Rahu should be Always treated as lord of the house occupied by

> him or

> > > like Shani and that would have ended the references of Rahu. But

> > > parashara clearly gives the independent references of Rahu.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > >

> > > > You are not wrong when you say that "So in a Vedic Jyotish way

> the

> > > Sun

> > > > in strength will have PRIDE in being ideal king' for his

> subjects

> > > (other

> > > > Grahas)." But if the King is doing what is only his duty as

> per the

> > > > Vedic Dharma, then pride in such context will be Ego. Most of

> the

> > > > speeches that you quote, if read with due detachment and

> ignoring

> > > the

> > > > personalities making them, would sound most egoist speeches to

> all

> > > and

> > > > sundry. I know saying this would raise

> > > > tempers on the list but truth must prevail.

> > > >

> > > > But one can go on arguing on this aspect to no end and

> bringing in

> > > the

> > > > ideal king as an example of King and conjecturing the Parashara

> > > meant

> > > > that King, while good for argument's sake may not be the right

> way

> > > to

> > > > look at astrological principles. The first pitfall would be

> that

> > > though

> > > > it is fashionable these days to say that all Kings of Vedic

> times

> > > acted

> > > > as they should the fact remains that Puranas and Vedas are

> replete

> > > with

> > > > stories of Kings who were very cruel t their subjects and

> harassed

> > > those

> > > > performing vedic Rituals. When this is pointed out tempers

> flare

> > > which

> > > > is a sure beginning of a rational discussion on the principles

> of

> > > > astrology going awry.

> > > >

> > > > That is why it is better to steer clear of the scriptures when

> > > > discussing astrology, specially on a public list, as the

> scriptures

> > > are

> > > > subject to different interpretations.

> > > >

> > > > Do you think Mada does not mean intoxication or state of

> > > intoxication in

> > > > Sanskrit? I am sure that Unmaada is one of the five arrows of

> > > Madana.

> > > > And that is Mada represented by Rahu. That is what flows

> through

> > > the

> > > > temporal glands of a bull elephant and then the bull elephant

> > > becomes

> > > > uncontrollable like being intoxicated.

> > > >

> > > > Again if you happen to refer to kosha you will find synonyms

> for

> > > the

> > > > five types of pride to be Garva, Abhimaana, Ahankara, Maana

> etc.

> > > While

> > > > in English language Pride has certain connotation, to find

> exact

> > > > synonyms to Sanskrit words is always difficult.

> > > >

> > > > Letting apart these discussions which will more often mislead

> than

> > > solve

> > > > anything, let us at least agree that the sage does say that

> Rahu

> > > and

> > > > Ketu behave as the lords of the house occupied by them or the

> lord

> > > of a

> > > > house that they conjoin.

> > > >

> > > > If we are agreed on this then think why should Rahu, or Ketu

> for

> > > that

> > > > matter, who can not deliver own results but has to depend on

> other

> > > > planets to express itself would, by itself and devoid of other

> > > graha

> > > > combination; be endowed with the quality of Ego by the writer.

> More

> > > so

> > > > why when Rahu when alone is said to give results of Shani

> (Manda

> > > Sama

> > > > Rahu..) as Shani is certainly not connected with ego by any

> stretch

> > > of

> > > > imagination.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> > > > >

> > > > > It was indeed a great plesure to read your mails regarding

> > > > > interpretations of the astrological text and more specially

> how

> > > > > Sanskrit language words can mislead at times. Now I have some

> > > doubts.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think Pride means Self-respect and Ego means Inflated or

> False

> > > > > Pride. Parashara has attributed the Sun to being Raja or

> King. In

> > > the

> > > > > vedic philosophy we see that Raja was suppose to take care

> of the

> > > > > welfare of his subjects. In the Chandogya Upanishad the king

> > > > > Ashvapati describes his kingdom and his subjects as: "In my

> > > kingdom

> > > > > there is no thief,no coward,nor amiser,no drunked,nor is

> there one

> > > > > who has not taken the vow of worship of the'Fire', no idots,

> nor

> > > men

> > > > > of loose character.Where could therefore be here women

> without

> > > > > morals?"(Chandogya 5-11). We as well see similar references

> in

> > > > > Ramayana regarding RamaRajya. Rama says: I will forsake

> > > everything,

> > > > > affection,compassion,happiness,even my beloved wife Janaki,

> for

> > > the

> > > > > sake of the welfare of my subjects. I will not mind any

> > > affliction in

> > > > > abondoning my wife for the good of my subjects". We find

> many such

> > > > > references in RigVeda and Atherva veda as well. The great

> epic of

> > > > > VedaVyasa as well gives similar attributes to King.Such was

> the

> > > > > concept of the ideal of the institution of kingship, which

> every

> > > > > Vedic king took PRIDE in realising.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the pasasge of Time there came the western counterpart for

> > > Vedic

> > > > > Kings. In the west the mediaeval thinkers invested divine

> > > inheritance

> > > > > on the king who was considered to be the representative of

> God.

> > > The

> > > > > king having received his authority to rule by divine right

> was not

> > > > > answerable to the people and therefore was an absolute in

> his own

> > > > > right.The people had no right to rebel against the king or

> demand

> > > his

> > > > > dethronement. The predominant thought behind that concept

> was to

> > > > > bestow sovereign and absolute powers on the king. This

> naturally

> > > made

> > > > > Kings to have 'inflated pride' or EGO. This western mediaeval

> > > concept

> > > > > of king had great influence in Mediaeval indian kings as

> well.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Bharat, however, political thinkers never advocated or

> offered

> > > any

> > > > > abolute power and authority to the king. Kingship was always

> > > regared

> > > > > as subservient to the will and dependent upon the sanction

> of the

> > > > > people and was alwyas answerable to them. So there was no

> concept

> > > > > of 'Inflated or False Pride' in the Vedic King. The king

> being

> > > fully

> > > > > aware that all his authority and power were derived from his

> > > > > subjects would try to look to their welfare.

> > > > >

> > > > > So in a Vedic Jyotish way the Sun in strength will have

> PRIDE in

> > > > > being ideal 'king' for his subjects(other Grahas). Same, if

> seen

> > > in

> > > > > Western way can mean the Sun will have EGO.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moreover, we see that Western(foreign) cocept of Absolute

> power

> > > with

> > > > > the King is exactly opposite that of Vedic concept of King.

> So in

> > > a

> > > > > vedic way of thinking what is wrong in attributting Rahu to

> > > foreign

> > > > > concept of inflated & false Pride or EGO.?

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally, Mada does mean Pride in sanskrit. When attributed to

> > > Rahu,

> > > > > will naturally have the element of falsehood/deceit

> associated

> > > with

> > > > > pride and hence may lead to EGO. Am I wrong?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pride is different from ego. Like it or not Mada does mean

> > > > > intoxication

> > > > > > or lust. The Kama that is referred to relates to kaamana

> which

> > > > > means

> > > > > > desires for things possessed by others. That is what

> Asteya,

> > > one of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Yamas of Hatha yogas refer to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are talking about auspiciousness or other wise of the

> > > dormant or

> > > > > > awakened Kundalini. As I said all scriptures can be

> > > misinterpreted

> > > > > if

> > > > > > one wants to do that. But that does not serve any purpose.

> I

> > > would

> > > > > not

> > > > > > go into what exactly is meant by Vidya and Avidya related

> to

> > > Maa. I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > not yet seen any Pramana, in the form of a shloka, to

> support

> > > your

> > > > > > proposition that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious and the

> > > awakened

> > > > > > Kundalini is auspicious so far. I have already posted the

> way

> > > my

> > > > > > generation has been taught to accept an argument, so I

> shall

> > > not

> > > > > repeat

> > > > > > it here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I will not resort to conjectures and would like to

> quote

> > > from

> > > > > > Rudrayamala tantra about the swarUpa of dormant Kundalini.

> > > Being

> > > > > > graduate in sanskrit, I am sure I will not have to

> translate

> > > it for

> > > > > you.

> > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure you must have some quote to support your

> contention.

> > > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > like to see the shloka, as against conjectures, so that I

> can

> > > > > improve

> > > > > > upon my knowledge of the swarupaa of Kundalini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can understand your reluctance to support your

> propositions

> > > with

> > > > > > suitable pramanas. I am sorry if I have hurt you by

> pointing

> > > out

> > > > > the

> > > > > > inconsistency in the way you treated Surya and Rahu

> > > combinations in

> > > > > two

> > > > > > different chart as stand out combinations only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had no intention to cause any hurt to you and if I have

> done

> > > so

> > > > > > inadvertently I crave your pardon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha

> > > (greed),

> > > > > moha

> > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> (jealousy)

> > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply among the

> > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is intoxicated/drunk

> with

> > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini" and

> correct

> > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of both

> > > facets. As

> > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be routed

> > > towards good

> > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the same? The

> > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use, is

> > > represented by

> > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati, wisdom and

> > > power, is

> > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > correct/judicious end

> > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is very

> very

> > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and krura. I

> also

> > > always

> > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give malefic

> > > results, if

> > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can refer

> to

> > > all my

> > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or losing

> an

> > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an exploration

> and

> > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I see no

> > > purpose

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> operating

> > > at

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> young. So

> > > > > please

> > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read Swamiji's

> > > biography you

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of apparent

> > > robust

> > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart confirms

> with

> > > his

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not know I

> was

> > > > > expected

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there is a Kuja

> > > dosha

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not bring

> our

> > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into astrological

> > > analysis of

> > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are on the

> > > effects

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The two

> have to

> > > be

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an event but

> only

> > > trying

> > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> perhaps

> > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in that

> > > perspective

> > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read my

> mail, I

> > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only that it

> > > gave him

> > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and always

> > > beneficent

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the topic, did

> its

> > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami Vivekananda's

> chart

> > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a powerful

> Raj

> > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived, you

> may

> > > have to

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

> Think

> > > about

> > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before declaring

> > > that it

> > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu and

> looking

> > > at the

> > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he passed

> > > away in

> > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> (3:59:13 pm)

> > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> (4:48:54

> > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> (10:43:55

> > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> (5:06:28 am)

> > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> (2:29:24

> > > am)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05 (1:27:03

> am)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is the 2nd

> lord

> > > from

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in the

> house of

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the 2nd lord

> > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka significations

> are

> > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early death.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th house,

> > > can give

> > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> influence of

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th house? I am

> > > sure even

> > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))but

> without

> > > the

> > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he created

> > > wherever he

> > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> bhava.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the strong

> > > Mars in

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have not

> > > commented on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that the

> > > planets

> > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> previous

> > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great people,

> > > and then

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what I

> said.

> > > Did

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant sarcoma

> of

> > > left

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his chart, in

> > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine the

> > > following dasa

> > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd lord from

> > > Moon

> > > > > (AK) &

> > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart, rahu is

> with

> > > Sun

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of which

> > > point to

> > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and ketu

> can

> > > give

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect, if at

> all,

> > > was

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> (2:05:32 pm)

> > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> (8:49:14 am)

> > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> (12:04:47

> > > am)

> > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> (12:18:02

> > > am)

> > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> (11:08:26

> > > pm)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14 (12:47:04

> pm)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the dasa of

> the

> > > graha

> > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think their

> mind

> > > willed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the above

> > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in my next

> > > mail.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

> planet in

> > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > > exaltation

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane smritam

> has

> > > already

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> Mars/Venus in

> > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> through my

> > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that he

> was

> > > editor

> > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> language.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving P.M.

> > > Yogas.

> > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga attributed

> to

> > > it, at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they would

> > > all give

> > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

> Pancha

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> (barring

> > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> principles

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > > respected

> > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> anything

> > > that

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman, it

> > > would be

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

> would of

> > > > > course

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V. Raman

> that

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good results,

> while

> > > weak

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree about

> > > strong

> > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary to

> what

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find that

> > > strong

> > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

> their

> > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and mars

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn(9H)

> and

> > > Rahu

> > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > debilitated in

> > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> for "vipareetam

> > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> placement

> > > in the

> > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives

> good

> > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is because

> i

> > > would

> > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that

> with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> shubha

> > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9 years

> old,

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't notice the

> > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

> between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is giving

> > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> according

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give bad

> > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets,

> even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust and

> > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala is

> more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to read

> the

> > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> nature

> > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama would

> > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana. Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

> borne

> > > in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please Duryodhana,

> his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

> house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac, the

> 10

> > > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> death,

> > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the Rudras

> > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> south

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> digbala

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> Surya

> > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and not

> as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results of

> the

> > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time. It

> is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9 or

> so as

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did not

> have

> > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and Rahu

> > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

> after

> > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> instead of

> > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I say

> so but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a papa

> > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though claimed

> to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and its

> > > home that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> popularly

> > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

> really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be at

> its

> > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

> water

> > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great and i

> > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative writing,

> > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student, I

> guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun were

> > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but being in

> > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> giving

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water bodies,

> so

> > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit properly. There

are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini being activated

kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited knowledge goes,

kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly see phrase

in the quotation.

The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara tantra, expanded

in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha vyaakhya on the

phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in giving it.

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

>

> Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where is the

reference

> to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I know as to

why

> the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at Muladhara is

excluded? I

> am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from Swadhishthana.

Would

> you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could try to

locate the

> complete verse myself?

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya utpannaa

> > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte payovratam

> > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam anyadapi

> > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva chandramandalam

dravateethi

> > bhavaH"

> >

> > I am sure you can translate this and understand that Kundalini

has

> > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures (utpatti

avastha)

> > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham, through the

medium

> > of agni.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from scriptures

> > that you

> > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious. That

will

> > help

> > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja and other

Kootas.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given according to

kootas,

> > is

> > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not? Let's get this

> > straight

> > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest. Please do

not

> > worry

> > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you, and can

provide

> > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > >

> > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean the portion

upto

> > neck

> > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > >

> > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the same

> > place,

> > > > and if

> > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your arguments

are

> > > > acceptable.

> > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > >

> > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support of your

> > argument

> > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the shloka I

> > sent

> > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the head

> > come...in

> > > > the

> > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any other

koota

> > > > defined

> > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do you

imply

> > that

> > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of astrology

> > mappings

> > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a simple

> > principle in

> > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me, unless

you are

> > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or want to

> > confuse

> > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya intended

> > that "bisa

> > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt kundalini at

> > Mooladhara

> > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari samsthithaa".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a python

at

> > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser than at

> > sahasraara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not agni

> > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha" happens only

> > from

> > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and is

ignited

> > only

> > > > when

> > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but a

group of

> > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating the

vacha.

> > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija protect

the

> > > > throat

> > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And her

> > principal

> > > > abode

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara. However if

you

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant you are

> > free to

> > > > do

> > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm beeja

is

> > most

> > > > dear

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you need the

> > > > reference).

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that Kundalini

means

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that certainly

does

> > not

> > > > mean

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in Rudrayamala

Tantra.

> > Do

> > > > you

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is described as

> > vagbhava

> > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read the

> > yamalas, i

> > > > am

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of vagbhava

> > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding kundalini.

> > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH" and

talks of

> > the

> > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with Shiva....mahe

utsave

> > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH tatparataa

yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu taneeyasee"

is

> > the

> > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened kundalini,

> > let me

> > > > quote

> > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

uttishtatha.

> > maa

> > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up( the

> > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

Kundalini.

> > It's

> > > > time

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger),

lobha

> > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

among

> > the

> > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini"

and

> > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of

both

> > > > facets.

> > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

routed

> > > > towards

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the

same?

> > The

> > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use,

is

> > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati,

wisdom

> > and

> > > > power,

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is

very

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

krura. I

> > > > also

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

malefic

> > > > results,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

> > refer

> > > > to all

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

> > losing

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > exploration

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

> > see no

> > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> > young.

> > > > So

> > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

Swamiji's

> > > > biography

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> > apparent

> > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

confirms

> > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

know

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there

is a

> > Kuja

> > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

> > bring

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

astrological

> > > > analysis

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are

on

> > the

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The

two

> > have

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an

event but

> > > > only

> > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> > perhaps

> > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in

that

> > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read

my

> > mail,

> > > > I did

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

that

> > it

> > > > gave

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

always

> > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the

topic,

> > did

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > Vivekananda's

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> > powerful

> > > > Raj

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

> > you may

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

Mahakrura.

> > Think

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> > declaring

> > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu

and

> > > > looking at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

> > passed

> > > > away

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > (3:59:13

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > (5:06:28

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is

the

> > 2nd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in

the

> > > > house of

> > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the

2nd

> > lord

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > significations

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

> > house,

> > > > can

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th

house? I

> > am

> > > > sure

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))

but

> > > > without the

> > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he

created

> > > > wherever

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the

7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the

7th

> > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

> > strong

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have

not

> > > > commented

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava

that

> > the

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated

in

> > > > previous

> > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> > people,

> > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of

what I

> > > > said.

> > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> > sarcoma

> > > > of

> > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

> > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine

the

> > > > following

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd

lord

> > from

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart,

rahu

> > is

> > > > with

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

> > which

> > > > point

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

> > ketu

> > > > can

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect,

if at

> > > > all, was

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > (2:05:32

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > (8:49:14

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > (12:47:04

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

dasa

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think

their

> > mind

> > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the

above

> > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in

my

> > next

> > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as

a

> > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even

when in

> > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> > smritam has

> > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > Mars/Venus

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> > through

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and

that

> > he

> > > > was

> > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

> > P.M.

> > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > attributed

> > > > to

> > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine

they

> > would

> > > > all

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all

with

> > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of

India

> > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > > principles

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving

the

> > > > reference

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

classic

> > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to

accept

> > > > anything

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

Raman,

> > it

> > > > would

> > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka

I

> > would

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

> > Raman

> > > > that

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

results,

> > > > while

> > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

disagree

> > about

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

contrary to

> > > > what

> > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I

find

> > that

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor

that

> > their

> > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

> > mars

> > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in

lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted

Saturn

> > (9H)

> > > > and

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > > placement in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

gives

> > good

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> > because i

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

that

> > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and

the

> > > > shubha

> > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak

and

> > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

years

> > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

notice

> > the

> > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

difference

> > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

> > giving

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good,

then

> > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak,

give

> > bad

> > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

planets,

> > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > wouldn't

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

combust

> > and

> > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

> > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

shadbala

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

> > read the

> > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died,

the

> > > > nature

> > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

Parashurama

> > would

> > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

> > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to

be

> > > > borne in

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > Duryodhana,

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from

8th

> > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

zodiac,

> > the

> > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord

of

> > > > death,

> > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> > Rudras

> > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

resides in

> > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he

has

> > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

referred to

> > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma

and

> > not

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

results

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father

had

> > > > promotions

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

time.

> > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of

9

> > or so

> > > > as

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you

did not

> > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu

and

> > Rahu

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as

you

> > > > guessed

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

yoga

> > > > after

> > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > instead

> > > > of

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

> > say so

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

conjunct a

> > papa

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > trikona

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> > claimed

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th)

and

> > its

> > > > home

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > > popularly

> > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it

is

> > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun

be at

> > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

represent

> > water

> > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent

too. My

> > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

> > and i

> > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> > writing,

> > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

student, I

> > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if

Sun

> > were

> > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

being

> > in

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is

also

> > > > giving

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic

and

> > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent

burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

> > bodies,

> > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

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September 17, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

I am sure that the list is long, but nonetheless, can I trouble you

to give the entire list?

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> The list is long but here are some of them. The source is Rigveda.

>

> m. hilarity , rapture , excitement , inspiration , intoxication

RV. &c. &c.

> any exhilarating or intoxicating drink , spirituous liquor ,

wine , Soma

> RV. &c. &c ,

> Intoxication or Insanity personified (as a monster created by

Cyavana) MBh.

>

> I trust this helps,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > I agree with you. However, if it's no problem, I would be

thankful

> > if you can give all the meanings of "mada" as given in monier-

> > williams, apte dictionaries etc?

> >

> > Did you face similar problems when you translated the

> > word "abhimaana" as pride/ego?

> >

> > regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > The pramana to ancient text is indeed difficult to give, as

there

> > are no

> > > Sanskrit to English dictionaries that were written by the

ancient

> > sages.

> > >

> > > You may, however, like to refer to Monier William dictionary

that

> > > translates Sanskrit words to English as we are talking about

> > English

> > > words. I would, personally, refer to Sanskrit Kosha of Apte in

> > hard

> > > copy. Higher Sanskrit Grammar of M.R. Kale is another good

source.

> > The

> > > meaning of Mada is made very clear there.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please translate the word "mada" also in all its nuances,

and see

> > > > why they all can not be applied to Rahu. Why close your

mind to

> > > > other meanings?

> > > >

> > > > I also notice that you have not provided any pramana that

says

> > > > that "mada" means only lust/intoxication and not

> > pride/vanity/ego. I

> > > > am still waiting for it.

> > > >

> > > > >From what Saravali says, I perceive "ego" to be the basic

> > quality of

> > > > all those born. it perpetuates survival and rebirth. If you

> > > > disagree, can you provide a pramaana that says only a king

can

> > have

> > > > ego and others can not.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was trying to translate Abhimana and not pride. And

Pride

> > in a

> > > > King

> > > > > whom you have all along been trying to equate to a Divine

> > being (I

> > > > think

> > > > > amsha of Lord Vishnu or some such thing you said, while

> > arguing

> > > > why King

> > > > > is divine and by extension Surya; if memory serves me

right),

> > may

> > > > not be

> > > > > a divine virtue but would certainly be tantamount to Ego.

> > > > >

> > > > > So please do not try to read something that is not there

in

> > the

> > > > message.

> > > > > It is always difficult to translate Sanskrit words in

English

> > > > language

> > > > > due to limitation of words with different flavors in

English.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is interesting to see that you do not think that

pride

> > and ego

> > > > > > are not one and the same thing. Please refer to your own

> > message

> > > > at

> > > > > >

/message/11735

> > </message/11735>

> > > > </message/11735

> > </message/11735>>

> > > > > >

</message/11735

> > </message/11735>

> > > > </message/11735

> > </message/11735>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > where you mentioned the following:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "we find that Bhava Manjari does

> > > > > > attribute Abhimana (pride/ego) to Surya and so does

Bhuvan

> > > > Deepak."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How come pride/ego are synonymous in the case of Sun and

> > not so

> > > > in

> > > > > > the case of Rahu? Is this fair? And, is this necessary?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Isn't "abhimaana" a much milder word than "mada"? The

> > > > > > word "abhimaana" might have positive connotations, but

the

> > > > > > word "mada" has absolutely no positive connotations.

> > Pradeep may

> > > > > > not understand this but I am sure you do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fair arguments never hurt me, sir, but this sort of

> > arguments,

> > > > > > especially coming from you, certainly confound me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you quote any pramaana that says "mada" means only

lust

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > pride/ego/vanity etc?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding vidyaa/avidyaa and auspicious/inauspicious

nature

> > of

> > > > > > Mother:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vidyaavidya swaroopini: 402nd name of Mother

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vidyaamchaavidyaamchayasthadvedobhayam saH,

avidyayaamritu

> > > > > > teerthva,vidyayaamritamasnutha, vidyaina

charamavrittiroopam

> > > > > > jnaanam, avidyaa bhedabhraantiroopam jnaanam"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Avidya results in mrityu while vidyaa results in

> > immortality and

> > > > > > moiksha. Vidyaa gives charama vrittiroopa jnaanam, while

> > avidya

> > > > > > gives bhedabhraanthiroopa jnaanam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, which one is auspicious? The direction which gives

> > > > > > immortality/moksha or the direction which results in

> > > > > > differentiation, delusion and death?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Further in the explanation of the name "BhadramoorthiH"

it

> > is

> > > > stated

> > > > > > in Soubhagyabhaskaram that "brahmam tanmangalam". The

true

> > > > > > auspiciousness is that after which no other

inauspiciousness

> > > > occurs.

> > > > > > In a state which is dominated by desires, delusions etc

> > > > > > (mooladhara), this is impossible. This state of "

> > absoluteness

> > > > > > auspiciousness " is possible only at the state of

Brahman

> > > > > > (sahasraara).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "theshaamcha lokaapibahuvidhaaH

> > parasivaabhinnamahaashaktistu

> > > > > > sarvalokaatheethaa mahaakailaasaaparaajithaadi

> > padapratipaadye

> > > > > > sarvalokotthare tisthathi.anyaapaam sivashakteenaam

> > kathipayaanam

> > > > > > saattwikshareeraanyapi sattwaadhikyagunaantharaalpatwa

> > yukthaani

> > > > na

> > > > > > punaH shuddhasattwaani..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "The form where Mother is one with shiva is the

> > > > highest/mahaashakti

> > > > > > form. All shiva+shakti roopas are sattwa roopas, but

those

> > lower

> > > > > > than this are a mixture of rajo and tamo gunas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope these suffice, or if you want, I can quote more.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pride is different from ego. Like it or not Mada does

mean

> > > > > > intoxication

> > > > > > > or lust. The Kama that is referred to relates to

kaamana

> > which

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > desires for things possessed by others. That is what

> > Asteya,

> > > > one

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > Yamas of Hatha yogas refer to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are talking about auspiciousness or other wise of

the

> > > > dormant

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > awakened Kundalini. As I said all scriptures can be

> > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > one wants to do that. But that does not serve any

> > purpose. I

> > > > would

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > go into what exactly is meant by Vidya and Avidya

> > > > Maa.

> > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > not yet seen any Pramana, in the form of a shloka, to

> > support

> > > > your

> > > > > > > proposition that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious

and the

> > > > > > awakened

> > > > > > > Kundalini is auspicious so far. I have already posted

the

> > way

> > > > my

> > > > > > > generation has been taught to accept an argument, so I

> > shall

> > > > not

> > > > > > repeat

> > > > > > > it here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But I will not resort to conjectures and would like to

> > quote

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Rudrayamala tantra about the swarUpa of dormant

Kundalini.

> > > > Being

> > > > > > > graduate in sanskrit, I am sure I will not have to

> > translate

> > > > it

> > > > > > for you.

> > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure you must have some quote to support your

> > > > contention. I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > like to see the shloka, as against conjectures, so

that I

> > can

> > > > > > improve

> > > > > > > upon my knowledge of the swarupaa of Kundalini.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can understand your reluctance to support your

> > propositions

> > > > with

> > > > > > > suitable pramanas. I am sorry if I have hurt you by

> > pointing

> > > > out

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > inconsistency in the way you treated Surya and Rahu

> > > > combinations

> > > > > > in two

> > > > > > > different chart as stand out combinations only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had no intention to cause any hurt to you and if I

have

> > > > done so

> > > > > > > inadvertently I crave your pardon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger),

lobha

> > > > (greed),

> > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

among the

> > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

intoxicated/drunk

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini" and

> > correct

> > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of

both

> > > > facets. As

> > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

routed

> > > > towards

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the same?

The

> > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use, is

> > > > represented

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati, wisdom

and

> > > > power, is

> > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is

very

> > very

> > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

krura. I

> > also

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

malefic

> > > > results, if

> > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

refer

> > to

> > > > all my

> > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

> > losing an

> > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > exploration and

> > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

see

> > no

> > > > > > purpose in

> > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> > young. So

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read Swamiji's

> > > > biography you

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

apparent

> > > > robust

> > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

confirms

> > with

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

know I

> > was

> > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there is a

> > Kuja

> > > > dosha

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

> > bring our

> > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

astrological

> > > > analysis of

> > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are

on the

> > > > effects

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The two

> > have

> > > > to be

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an event

but

> > only

> > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> > perhaps

> > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in

that

> > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read my

> > mail, I

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

that it

> > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

always

> > > > > > beneficent as

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the topic,

> > did its

> > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

Vivekananda's

> > > > chart

> > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> > powerful Raj

> > > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

you

> > may

> > > > have

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

> > Think

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> > declaring

> > > > that it

> > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu and

> > looking

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

passed

> > > > away in

> > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > (3:59:13

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > (4:48:54

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > (10:43:55

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > (5:06:28

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > (2:29:24

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

(1:27:03

> > am)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is the

2nd

> > > > lord from

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in the

> > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the 2nd

> > lord

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

significations

> > are

> > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

death.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

> > house,

> > > > can

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > influence

> > > > of

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th house?

I am

> > > > sure

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))but

> > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he created

> > > > wherever he

> > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the

7th

> > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

strong

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have not

> > > > commented

> > > > > > on the

> > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava

that the

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > > > previous

> > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> > people,

> > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of

what I

> > > > said. Did

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> > sarcoma of

> > > > left

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

chart,

> > in

> > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine the

> > > > following

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd lord

> > from

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > (AK) &

> > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart,

rahu is

> > > > with Sun

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

which

> > > > point to

> > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

ketu

> > can

> > > > give

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect, if

at

> > all,

> > > > was

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > (2:05:32

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > (8:49:14

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > (12:04:47

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > (12:18:02

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > (11:08:26 pm)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > (12:47:04 pm)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

dasa

> > of the

> > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think

their

> > mind

> > > > > > willed the

> > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the above

> > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in my

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

> > planet

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when

in

> > > > exaltation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

smritam

> > has

> > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > Mars/Venus in

> > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> > through my

> > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and

that he

> > was

> > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > language.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

P.M.

> > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > attributed to

> > > > it,

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

> > would

> > > > all

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

> > Pancha

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > (barring

> > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > > principles and

> > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

classic

> > > > respected

> > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > > > anything that

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

Raman, it

> > > > would be

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

> > would of

> > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

Raman

> > that

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

results,

> > > > while weak

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

> > about

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary

to

> > what

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find

that

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

> > their

> > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

mars

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn

(9H)

> > and

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > debilitated in

> > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > for "vipareetam

> > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > placement

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

gives

> > good

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> > because i

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

that

> > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > shubha

> > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > > beneficial

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

years

> > old,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

notice

> > the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

> > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

giving

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good,

then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > according

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give

bad

> > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

planets,

> > even

> > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust

and

> > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

shadbala is

> > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

read

> > the

> > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > nature

> > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

> > would

> > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

Deceit

> > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

> > borne

> > > > in

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

> > house

> > > > (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac,

> > the 10

> > > > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > death,

> > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> > Rudras

> > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides

in

> > south

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred

to

> > Surya

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and

> > not as

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

results of

> > the

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > > promotions

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

time. It

> > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9

or

> > so

> > > > as that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did

not

> > have

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and

Rahu

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as

you

> > > > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

yoga

> > > > after all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > instead

> > > > of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

say

> > so

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a

> > papa

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > trikona

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

claimed

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th)

and its

> > > > home

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > popularly

> > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

> > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be

at

> > its

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

> > water

> > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too.

My

> > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

and i

> > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

writing,

> > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

student, I

> > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun

were

> > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

being in

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is

also

> > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

> > bodies, so

> > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

I have already explicitly answered you query elsewhere and

repeatedly about Kundalini being "auspicious" at sahasraara and not

at "mooladhara" by quoting from shastras, giving examples etc. I

also gave copious quotes about vidya/avidya, sthoola/sookshma

etc...infact everything you wanted. I am sure all those are enough

to convince someone who genuinely wants to understand.

May i remind you that it's you who had sought these clarifications

and I am surprised that suddenly you should find that we have

strayed from the original thread, which, ofcourse, is a fact:--))

Btw, can you quote any shloka which says that kundalini is

auspicious at mooladhara and not at sahasraara? The shloka you gave

describes the stature/nature of Mother as moolaprakriti, but does it

say anywhere that kundalini at mooladhara is auspicious? If you

think that "gyaana" means "auspicious", are you not conjecturing?

Yet when I give quotes which expressly use terms as "mangalam"

and "shubham" you inexplicably find them irrelevant!!

I also see that you have neither commented about my understanding

of "triramani" nor have you given your understanding of the

phrase "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä"?

I have often heard you say that one must use "viveka"....perhaps it

means that one must use it selectively or only when it suits one and

not dispassionately and at all times.

But I do want to use mine now, and i plainly see that there's no

point in continuing these discussions, and no real

learning/understanding accrues. I also sadly conclude that one can

endlessly wax eloquent about "humility and learning lessons of life"

but practising them in real life is a different story all together.

As i said earlier, one may have accumulated a lot of knowledge, but

unless that knowledge touches one and transforms one, what's the use?

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

>

> The dictionaries give these meaning of Aanana.

> n. the mouth

> the face R. Ragh. &c.

> entrance , door L.

>

> Do you find head mentioned here? If we want to go into why Ravana

was

> called Dashanana and not Dashasheersha, the reason would consume

much

> time especially if we go on from topic to topic, leaving the

original

> thread and not adding to our knowledge in any manner.

>

> I think you are deviating from my original comment, to which

different

> arguments have so far been presented by you and many others.

>

> If I remember right, I said that Kundalini is auspicious whether

dormant

> or awakened and you and a few more thought otherwise. I have not

seen

> anything in support of the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious,

so far.

> Do you not think saying that Mother is gyani in dormant state and

then

> saying she is inauspicious a bit misleading? If we accept that

then

> Gyana will be inauspicious. All texts will be inauspicious and so

will

> all the statues of the Gods. I do not think that is the right

position

> per scriptures.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > When we refer to Ravana as "Dashaanana" does that mean he had

only

> > 10 faces and not 10 heads? What about other synonyms for Ravana

like

> > dashakantha, dasagreeva etc? Or when we talk of "sahasra seersha

> > purushaH " are we talking only of heads without faces?

> >

> > :--))

> >

> > According to me, "triramani" suggests the Beautiful One who is

> > embodiment of /resides in/revels in....gunatraya, roopatraya,

> > avasthaatraya, maatritraya, bhoopuratraya, mandalatraya,

konatraya,

> > rekhaatraya, mantratraya, kootatraya, triputi etc.

> >

> > I hope you realize that here we are talking of one who has

> > sthoola/sookshma/karana sareeras as well as trigunas. Please

> > contrast this to "sphutashivashaktisamaagama beejankuraroopiNi

> > paraashaktiH aNutharasookshmaanuttaravimarshalipi

> > lakshyavigrahaabhaathi"-which means that union of shiva-shakti is

> > like beejankura. At this juncture Paraashakti is so subtle as

not to

> > be perceived at all. She's like akasha and exists only as

> > akshara/mantra swaroopini. Vagbhava koota!

> >

> > I refer you to the "oordhwamoolamadhaH shaakham ashwatham"

example I

> > quoted earlier, in this respect. What's is seen at the lower

level

> > is physical/gunamayi (sthoola/gross) manifestation, while at the

> > higher level it's the unseen roots/beeja (sookshma/subtle)

> > manifestation. Both belong to the same tree, but there is a

> > difference in manifestation.

> >

> > Mother is definitely "gyaanini" at all times. But at Mooladhara

the

> > gyaana is only inert/potential. Suppose you have a great life-

> > changing book (kundalini) in your house (body), shut up in a room

> > (mooladhara). You do have the book, the potential to actuate

> > yourself, but unless you open the room, read the book, allow that

> > great wisdom to touch you and transform you, do you reap any

benefit

> > from its presence?

> >

> > Now, can I please have your understanding

> > of "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä"?

> >

> > Perhaps we are unfairly imposing on others' time.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > I hope you do not want me to translate Aanana as head? I do

not

> > see you

> > > disputing Kundalini in Mulaadhara being called Triramani,

GYaanini

> > etc.

> > > though you think she is inauspicious there. May I know why? I

hope

> > you

> > > do not dispute Lord Krishna's opinion on GYana.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for sharing the nice shloka with us. I am sorry that

I had

> > > > indeed overlooked responding to it. In this regard, I have

> > already

> > > > given my explanation of what's auspicious and what's not,

based

> > on

> > > > Soubhagya Bhaskaram.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please explain to me how you understand the

> > > > phrase "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä".

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the same

> > place,

> > > > and if

> > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your arguments

are

> > > > acceptable.

> > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > >

> > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support of your

> > argument

> > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the shloka I

> > sent

> > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the head

> > come...in

> > > > the

> > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any other

koota

> > > > defined

> > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do you

imply

> > that

> > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of astrology

> > mappings

> > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a simple

> > principle in

> > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me, unless

you are

> > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or want to

> > confuse

> > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya intended

> > that "bisa

> > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt kundalini at

> > Mooladhara

> > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari samsthithaa".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a python

at

> > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser than at

> > sahasraara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not agni

> > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha" happens only

> > from

> > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and is

ignited

> > only

> > > > when

> > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but a

group of

> > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating the

vacha.

> > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija protect

the

> > > > throat

> > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And her

> > principal

> > > > abode

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara. However if

you

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant you are

> > free to

> > > > do

> > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm beeja

is

> > most

> > > > dear

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you need the

> > > > reference).

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that Kundalini

means

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that certainly

does

> > not

> > > > mean

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in Rudrayamala

Tantra.

> > Do

> > > > you

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is described as

> > vagbhava

> > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read the

> > yamalas, i

> > > > am

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of vagbhava

> > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding kundalini.

> > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH" and

talks of

> > the

> > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with Shiva....mahe

utsave

> > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH tatparataa

yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu taneeyasee"

is

> > the

> > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened kundalini,

> > let me

> > > > quote

> > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

uttishtatha.

> > maa

> > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up( the

> > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

Kundalini.

> > It's

> > > > time

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger),

lobha

> > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

among

> > the

> > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini"

and

> > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of

both

> > > > facets.

> > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

routed

> > > > towards

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the

same?

> > The

> > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use,

is

> > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati,

wisdom

> > and

> > > > power,

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is

very

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

krura. I

> > > > also

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

malefic

> > > > results,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

> > refer

> > > > to all

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

> > losing

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > exploration

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

> > see no

> > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> > young.

> > > > So

> > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

Swamiji's

> > > > biography

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> > apparent

> > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

confirms

> > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

know

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there

is a

> > Kuja

> > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

> > bring

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

astrological

> > > > analysis

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are

on

> > the

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The

two

> > have

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an

event but

> > > > only

> > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> > perhaps

> > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in

that

> > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read

my

> > mail,

> > > > I did

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

that

> > it

> > > > gave

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

always

> > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the

topic,

> > did

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > Vivekananda's

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> > powerful

> > > > Raj

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

> > you may

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

Mahakrura.

> > Think

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> > declaring

> > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu

and

> > > > looking at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

> > passed

> > > > away

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > (3:59:13

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > (5:06:28

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is

the

> > 2nd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in

the

> > > > house of

> > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the

2nd

> > lord

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > significations

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

> > house,

> > > > can

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th

house? I

> > am

> > > > sure

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))

but

> > > > without the

> > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he

created

> > > > wherever

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the

7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the

7th

> > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

> > strong

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have

not

> > > > commented

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava

that

> > the

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated

in

> > > > previous

> > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> > people,

> > > > and

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of

what I

> > > > said.

> > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> > sarcoma

> > > > of

> > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

> > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine

the

> > > > following

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd

lord

> > from

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart,

rahu

> > is

> > > > with

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

> > which

> > > > point

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

> > ketu

> > > > can

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect,

if at

> > > > all, was

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > (2:05:32

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > (8:49:14

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > (12:47:04

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

dasa

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think

their

> > mind

> > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the

above

> > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in

my

> > next

> > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as

a

> > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even

when in

> > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> > smritam has

> > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > Mars/Venus

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> > through

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and

that

> > he

> > > > was

> > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

> > P.M.

> > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > attributed

> > > > to

> > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine

they

> > would

> > > > all

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all

with

> > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of

India

> > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > > principles

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving

the

> > > > reference

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

classic

> > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to

accept

> > > > anything

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

Raman,

> > it

> > > > would

> > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka

I

> > would

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

> > Raman

> > > > that

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

results,

> > > > while

> > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

disagree

> > about

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

contrary to

> > > > what

> > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I

find

> > that

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor

that

> > their

> > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

> > mars

> > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in

lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted

Saturn

> > (9H)

> > > > and

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > > placement in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

gives

> > good

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> > because i

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

that

> > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and

the

> > > > shubha

> > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak

and

> > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

years

> > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

notice

> > the

> > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

difference

> > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

> > giving

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good,

then

> > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak,

give

> > bad

> > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

planets,

> > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > wouldn't

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

combust

> > and

> > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

> > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

shadbala

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

> > read the

> > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died,

the

> > > > nature

> > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

Parashurama

> > would

> > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

> > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to

be

> > > > borne in

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > Duryodhana,

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from

8th

> > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

zodiac,

> > the

> > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord

of

> > > > death,

> > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> > Rudras

> > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

resides in

> > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he

has

> > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

referred to

> > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma

and

> > not

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

results

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father

had

> > > > promotions

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

time.

> > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of

9

> > or so

> > > > as

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you

did not

> > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu

and

> > Rahu

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as

you

> > > > guessed

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

yoga

> > > > after

> > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > instead

> > > > of

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

> > say so

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

conjunct a

> > papa

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > trikona

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> > claimed

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th)

and

> > its

> > > > home

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > > popularly

> > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it

is

> > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun

be at

> > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

represent

> > water

> > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent

too. My

> > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

> > and i

> > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> > writing,

> > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

student, I

> > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if

Sun

> > were

> > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

being

> > in

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is

also

> > > > giving

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic

and

> > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent

burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

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September 17, 2006

Dear Divine Lakshmi,

That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The text being in

roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through. It was indeed

negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some other verses

not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey of Kundalini

or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more comfortable with

Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is done

differently in north and south.

There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs. But as I said

I can not escape blame on that account.

By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference, mention that

Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made out by you? That

is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the natural

dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean that she is

inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit properly. There

> are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini being activated

> kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited knowledge goes,

> kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly see phrase

> in the quotation.

>

> The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara tantra, expanded

> in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha vyaakhya on the

> phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

>

> If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in giving it.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> >

> > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where is the

> reference

> > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I know as to

> why

> > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at Muladhara is

> excluded? I

> > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from Swadhishthana.

> Would

> > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could try to

> locate the

> > complete verse myself?

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya utpannaa

> > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte payovratam

> > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam anyadapi

> > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva chandramandalam

> dravateethi

> > > bhavaH"

> > >

> > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that Kundalini

> has

> > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures (utpatti

> avastha)

> > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham, through the

> medium

> > > of agni.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from scriptures

> > > that you

> > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious. That

> will

> > > help

> > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja and other

> Kootas.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given according to

> kootas,

> > > is

> > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not? Let's get this

> > > straight

> > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest. Please do

> not

> > > worry

> > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you, and can

> provide

> > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > >

> > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean the portion

> upto

> > > neck

> > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the same

> > > place,

> > > > > and if

> > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your arguments

> are

> > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support of your

> > > argument

> > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the shloka I

> > > sent

> > > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the head

> > > come...in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any other

> koota

> > > > > defined

> > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do you

> imply

> > > that

> > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of astrology

> > > mappings

> > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a simple

> > > principle in

> > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me, unless

> you are

> > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or want to

> > > confuse

> > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya intended

> > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt kundalini at

> > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari samsthithaa".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a python

> at

> > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser than at

> > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not agni

> > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha" happens only

> > > from

> > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and is

> ignited

> > > only

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but a

> group of

> > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating the

> vacha.

> > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija protect

> the

> > > > > throat

> > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And her

> > > principal

> > > > > abode

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara. However if

> you

> > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant you are

> > > free to

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm beeja

> is

> > > most

> > > > > dear

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you need the

> > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that Kundalini

> means

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that certainly

> does

> > > not

> > > > > mean

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in Rudrayamala

> Tantra.

> > > Do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is described as

> > > vagbhava

> > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read the

> > > yamalas, i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of vagbhava

> > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH" and

> talks of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with Shiva....mahe

> utsave

> > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH tatparataa

> yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu taneeyasee"

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened kundalini,

> > > let me

> > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> uttishtatha.

> > > maa

> > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up( the

> > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

> Kundalini.

> > > It's

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger),

> lobha

> > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

> among

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini"

> and

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of

> both

> > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

> routed

> > > > > towards

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the

> same?

> > > The

> > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use,

> is

> > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati,

> wisdom

> > > and

> > > > > power,

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is

> very

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

> krura. I

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

> malefic

> > > > > results,

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

> > > refer

> > > > > to all

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

> > > losing

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > > exploration

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

> > > see no

> > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> > > young.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> Swamiji's

> > > > > biography

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> > > apparent

> > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

> confirms

> > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

> know

> > > I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there

> is a

> > > Kuja

> > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

> > > bring

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> astrological

> > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The

> two

> > > have

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an

> event but

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in

> that

> > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read

> my

> > > mail,

> > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

> that

> > > it

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

> always

> > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the

> topic,

> > > did

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> > > powerful

> > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

> > > you may

> > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> Mahakrura.

> > > Think

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> > > declaring

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu

> and

> > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

> > > passed

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > > (3:59:13

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > > (5:06:28

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is

> the

> > > 2nd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in

> the

> > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the

> 2nd

> > > lord

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > significations

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

> death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

> > > house,

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th

> house? I

> > > am

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))

> but

> > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he

> created

> > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the

> 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the

> 7th

> > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

> > > strong

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have

> not

> > > > > commented

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated

> in

> > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> > > people,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of

> what I

> > > > > said.

> > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> > > sarcoma

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

> > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine

> the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd

> lord

> > > from

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart,

> rahu

> > > is

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

> > > which

> > > > > point

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

> > > ketu

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect,

> if at

> > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > > (2:05:32

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > > (8:49:14

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > (12:47:04

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

> dasa

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think

> their

> > > mind

> > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the

> above

> > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in

> my

> > > next

> > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as

> a

> > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even

> when in

> > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> > > smritam has

> > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> > > through

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and

> that

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

> > > P.M.

> > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > > attributed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine

> they

> > > would

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all

> with

> > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of

> India

> > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > > > principles

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving

> the

> > > > > reference

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

> classic

> > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to

> accept

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

> Raman,

> > > it

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka

> I

> > > would

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

> > > Raman

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

> results,

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> disagree

> > > about

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> contrary to

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I

> find

> > > that

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor

> that

> > > their

> > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

> > > mars

> > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in

> lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted

> Saturn

> > > (9H)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

> gives

> > > good

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> > > because i

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

> that

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and

> the

> > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak

> and

> > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

> years

> > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

> notice

> > > the

> > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> difference

> > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

> > > giving

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good,

> then

> > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak,

> give

> > > bad

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

> planets,

> > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > > wouldn't

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> combust

> > > and

> > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

> Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

> > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> shadbala

> > > is

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

> > > read the

> > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died,

> the

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> Parashurama

> > > would

> > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

> > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to

> be

> > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from

> 8th

> > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

> zodiac,

> > > the

> > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord

> of

> > > > > death,

> > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> > > Rudras

> > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> resides in

> > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he

> has

> > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> referred to

> > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma

> and

> > > not

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

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> > > > > > > > > <%40>

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

> results

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father

> had

> > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

> time.

> > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of

> 9

> > > or so

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you

> did not

> > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu

> and

> > > Rahu

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as

> you

> > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

> yoga

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > > instead

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

> > > say so

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> conjunct a

> > > papa

> > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > > trikona

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> > > claimed

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th)

> and

> > > its

> > > > > home

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it

> is

> > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun

> be at

> > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

> represent

> > > water

> > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent

> too. My

> > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

> > > and i

> > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> > > writing,

> > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> student, I

> > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if

> Sun

> > > were

> > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

> being

> > > in

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is

> also

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic

> and

> > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent

> burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

> > > bodies,

> > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the

> best

> > > spam

> > > > > > > protection

> > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 17, 2006

Dear Divine Lakshmi,

I am glad we can finally concur on this.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> I have already mentioned that perhaps we are wrong in

> considering "ego" to be a negative quality associated only with the

> next person and not us. Like "happiness" or "grief", "ego" (as a

> separative feeling) is also a permanent part of our mental makeup.

>

> When afflicted, all qualities, good or bad, turn into

> exaggerations / anomalies, and need to be corrected, and inflated

> ego is no exception.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> >

> > I did not say that. It was you who questioned whether a 5 year old

> can

> > be intoxicated? I have not said that a baby does not have a mind

> soul

> > etc. as far as I remember. I was only asking you about your

> premise of

> > what is inner qualities/inherent/natural qualities and what is not

> and

> > questioning the intoxication of a 5 year old child. I was pointing

> out

> > that intoxication when related to Mada is not necessarily though

> not

> > excluding that of intoxicating substance but also of mind.

> >

> > I think ego, as being out of proportionate proud of one's actual

> or

> > perceived accomplishments and ego as the feeling of

> differentiation with

> > that of Parmatman is very different. This is the problem when one

> wants

> > to discuss Sanskrit or even Prakrit words in English. I think I

> have

> > already brought this to your notice earlier too.

> >

> > I trust I have clarified my statements enough. And by the way when

> we

> > are discussing ego yes that is about anomalies brought about by

> certain

> > Grahas and who does that. Otherwise why would a graha, favorably

> > disposed, bring about bad qualities in a person?

> >

> > Think about this. Would a weak Moon, afflicted and ill placed

> bring

> > about mental aberration or a strong Moon that is favorably placed?

> Would

> > weak Sun, unfavorably placed make one a King or a weak Sun

> unfavorably

> > placed? If we are talking about a graha giving all the attributes

> given

> > to it irrespective of its state of strength and type of placement,

> then

> > perhaps we have wasted everyone's time and space.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > God forbid that I should find "unmaada" a natural/normal

> occurrence

> > > in children. I am sure that you realize here that we are not

> > > discussing anomalies but regular qualities.

> > >

> > > "ego" as a separate "I" feeling occurs right from birth, as a

> > > survival instinct. It may not be apparent then, but then are

> soul,

> > > mind etc very apparent at that stage/age? Just because it's not

> > > actively manifested, can you say that a newborn baby has no soul,

> > > mind etc? similarly speech, sexuality are also latent in all, but

> > > will manifest only at the appropriate age.

> > >

> > > Please consider the above.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > Have you not heard about unmaada in even 3 year old children?

> > > Please

> > > > think about this before declaring that it is not possible in 5

> > > years

> > > > old. And congenital conditions where impure blood flows t

> heart

> > > causing

> > > > comatose conditions that can be equated to intoxication?

> > > >

> > > > I do not think I have said that a Bull elephant is in a

> permanent

> > > state

> > > > of intoxication. I have only used its example to indicate

> what is

> > > Mada.

> > > >

> > > > If the test of what is inner quality is being in that state

> > > permanently

> > > > then even your definition of ego suffers from not being so in

> very

> > > young

> > > > children. Nor is lust in existence from young age. Ask any

> medical

> > > > practitioner and he will tell that I am not wrong. Not that I

> > > think the

> > > > parameter is right.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What i meant by "inner" quality is an "inherent/natural "

> > > quality of

> > > > > human being. Please refer to my original mail in this

> respect.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, all of us have soul, mind, strength, speech, knowledge,

> > > > > happiness, ego (sense of being different from others) and

> grief.

> > > > > Even a 5 year old kid has all these qualities, as

> appropriate to

> > > > > his/her age, unless handicapped. Are we intoxicated? Is the

> 5

> > > year

> > > > > old intoxicated? Is "intoxication" a natural or unnatural

> > > quality?

> > > > > Is the bull elephant in a permanent state of intoxication?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At least AI did not answer as I did not want to split

> hairs

> > > over

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > all that is mentioned in the referred shloka is inner

> quality

> > > > > since I do

> > > > > > not find Kalyan Varman mentioning or implying so. However

> as

> > > you

> > > > > want an

> > > > > > reply, let me ask as to why if speech, attributed to

> Budha in

> > > the

> > > > > > shloka, can be internal quality according to you then why

> > > should

> > > > > > intoxication not be?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji & Pradeep ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I recollect writing in my previous e-mails, that the

> shloka

> > > from

> > > > > > > Saravali talks about the inner qualities of an

> > > > > > > individual/kalapurusha. Does the word "mada" imply

> > > intoxication

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > an inner quality? Does the word "intoxication" belong in

> > > that

> > > > > > > context, in that group?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think either of you responded to that. perhaps

> you

> > > > > missed

> > > > > > > it out in the avalanche of e-mails:--))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can i have your response(s) please?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pride is different from ego. Like it or not Mada does

> mean

> > > > > > > intoxication

> > > > > > > > or lust. The Kama that is referred to relates to

> kaamana

> > > which

> > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > desires for things possessed by others. That is what

> > > Asteya,

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > Yamas of Hatha yogas refer to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We are talking about auspiciousness or other wise of

> the

> > > > > dormant

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > awakened Kundalini. As I said all scriptures can be

> > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > one wants to do that. But that does not serve any

> > > purpose. I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > go into what exactly is meant by Vidya and Avidya

> related

> > > to

> > > > > Maa.

> > > > > > > I have

> > > > > > > > not yet seen any Pramana, in the form of a shloka, to

> > > support

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > proposition that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious

> and the

> > > > > > > awakened

> > > > > > > > Kundalini is auspicious so far. I have already posted

> the

> > > way

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > generation has been taught to accept an argument, so I

> > > shall

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > repeat

> > > > > > > > it here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But I will not resort to conjectures and would like to

> > > quote

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Rudrayamala tantra about the swarUpa of dormant

> Kundalini.

> > > > > Being

> > > > > > > > graduate in sanskrit, I am sure I will not have to

> > > translate

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > for you.

> > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure you must have some quote to support your

> > > > > contention. I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > like to see the shloka, as against conjectures, so

> that I

> > > can

> > > > > > > improve

> > > > > > > > upon my knowledge of the swarupaa of Kundalini.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I can understand your reluctance to support your

> > > propositions

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > suitable pramanas. I am sorry if I have hurt you by

> > > pointing

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > inconsistency in the way you treated Surya and Rahu

> > > > > combinations

> > > > > > > in two

> > > > > > > > different chart as stand out combinations only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had no intention to cause any hurt to you and if I

> have

> > > > > done so

> > > > > > > > inadvertently I crave your pardon.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger),

> lobha

> > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

> among the

> > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini" and

> > > correct

> > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of

> both

> > > > > facets. As

> > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

> routed

> > > > > towards

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the same?

> The

> > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use, is

> > > > > represented

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati, wisdom

> and

> > > > > power, is

> > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is

> very

> > > very

> > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

> krura. I

> > > also

> > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

> malefic

> > > > > results, if

> > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

> refer

> > > to

> > > > > all my

> > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

> > > losing an

> > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > > exploration and

> > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

> see

> > > no

> > > > > > > purpose in

> > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> > > young. So

> > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read Swamiji's

> > > > > biography you

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> apparent

> > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

> confirms

> > > with

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

> know I

> > > was

> > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there is a

> > > Kuja

> > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

> > > bring our

> > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> astrological

> > > > > analysis of

> > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are

> on the

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The two

> > > have

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an event

> but

> > > only

> > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> > > perhaps

> > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in

> that

> > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read my

> > > mail, I

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

> that it

> > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

> always

> > > > > > > beneficent as

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the topic,

> > > did its

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> Vivekananda's

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> > > powerful Raj

> > > > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

> you

> > > may

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

> > > Think

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> > > declaring

> > > > > that it

> > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu and

> > > looking

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

> passed

> > > > > away in

> > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > > (3:59:13

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > > (4:48:54

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > > (10:43:55

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > > (5:06:28

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > > (2:29:24

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> (1:27:03

> > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is the

> 2nd

> > > > > lord from

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in the

> > > house

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the 2nd

> > > lord

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> significations

> > > are

> > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

> death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

> > > house,

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > > influence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th house?

> I am

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))but

> > > without

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he created

> > > > > wherever he

> > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the

> 7th

> > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

> strong

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have not

> > > > > commented

> > > > > > > on the

> > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava

> that the

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > > > > previous

> > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> > > people,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of

> what I

> > > > > said. Did

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> > > sarcoma of

> > > > > left

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

> chart,

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd lord

> > > from

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > (AK) &

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart,

> rahu is

> > > > > with Sun

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

> which

> > > > > point to

> > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

> ketu

> > > can

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect, if

> at

> > > all,

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > > (2:05:32

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > > (8:49:14

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > > (12:04:47

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > > (12:18:02

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > > (11:08:26 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > (12:47:04 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

> dasa

> > > of the

> > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think

> their

> > > mind

> > > > > > > willed the

> > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the above

> > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in my

> next

> > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

> > > planet

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when

> in

> > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> smritam

> > > has

> > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > > Mars/Venus in

> > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> > > through my

> > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and

> that he

> > > was

> > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

> P.M.

> > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > > attributed to

> > > > > it,

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

> > > would

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

> > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > > (barring

> > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > > > principles and

> > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > > > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

> classic

> > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > > > > anything that

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

> Raman, it

> > > > > would be

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

> > > would of

> > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

> Raman

> > > that

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

> results,

> > > > > while weak

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

> > > about

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary

> to

> > > what

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find

> that

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

> > > their

> > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

> mars

> > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn

> (9H)

> > > and

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > > debilitated in

> > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > placement

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

> gives

> > > good

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> > > because i

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

> that

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > > shubha

> > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > > > beneficial

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

> years

> > > old,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

> notice

> > > the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

> > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

> giving

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good,

> then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > according

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give

> bad

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

> planets,

> > > even

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > > wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust

> and

> > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

> Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

> to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> shadbala is

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

> read

> > > the

> > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > > nature

> > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

> > > would

> > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

> Deceit

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

> > > borne

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > > Duryodhana, his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

> > > house

> > > > > (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac,

> > > the 10

> > > > > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > > death,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> > > Rudras

> > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides

> in

> > > south

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred

> to

> > > Surya

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and

> > > not as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

> results of

> > > the

> > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

> time. It

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9

> or

> > > so

> > > > > as that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did

> not

> > > have

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and

> Rahu

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as

> you

> > > > > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

> yoga

> > > > > after all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > > instead

> > > > > of Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

> say

> > > so

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a

> > > papa

> > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > > trikona

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> claimed

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th)

> and its

> > > > > home

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > popularly

> > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

> > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be

> at

> > > its

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

> > > water

> > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too.

> My

> > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

> and i

> > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> writing,

> > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> student, I

> > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun

> were

> > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

> being in

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is

> also

> > > > > giving the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

> > > bodies, so

> > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Divine Lakshmi,

I think you are exasperated due to me asking you to quote for Kundalini

being inauspicious as was your contention, since you are now asking me

to give some quote to indicate that it is inauspicious in Sahasrara. I

have never held that position so there is no question of me giving such

a quote. If you remember what triggered this discussion, it was my

comment that Kundalini whether dormant or awake is auspicious being

Chiti or Chita Shakti.

I would not like to get involved in argument over Vidya/avidya here as

you seem to think one is auspicious and other is inauspicious. This is

like saying that Para Vidya is auspicious and therefore apara vidya must

be inauspicious.

I disagree with this concept as it is not supported by rational pramanas

and tarkas.

As to Viveka and its use, I am sure those who read the correspondence,

so far, can decide better.

By the way, I prefer to attempt to transform myself than to claim to be

able to transform others.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> I have already explicitly answered you query elsewhere and

> repeatedly about Kundalini being "auspicious" at sahasraara and not

> at "mooladhara" by quoting from shastras, giving examples etc. I

> also gave copious quotes about vidya/avidya, sthoola/sookshma

> etc...infact everything you wanted. I am sure all those are enough

> to convince someone who genuinely wants to understand.

>

> May i remind you that it's you who had sought these clarifications

> and I am surprised that suddenly you should find that we have

> strayed from the original thread, which, ofcourse, is a fact:--))

>

> Btw, can you quote any shloka which says that kundalini is

> auspicious at mooladhara and not at sahasraara? The shloka you gave

> describes the stature/nature of Mother as moolaprakriti, but does it

> say anywhere that kundalini at mooladhara is auspicious? If you

> think that "gyaana" means "auspicious", are you not conjecturing?

> Yet when I give quotes which expressly use terms as "mangalam"

> and "shubham" you inexplicably find them irrelevant!!

>

> I also see that you have neither commented about my understanding

> of "triramani" nor have you given your understanding of the

> phrase "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä"?

>

> I have often heard you say that one must use "viveka"....perhaps it

> means that one must use it selectively or only when it suits one and

> not dispassionately and at all times.

>

> But I do want to use mine now, and i plainly see that there's no

> point in continuing these discussions, and no real

> learning/understanding accrues. I also sadly conclude that one can

> endlessly wax eloquent about "humility and learning lessons of life"

> but practising them in real life is a different story all together.

>

> As i said earlier, one may have accumulated a lot of knowledge, but

> unless that knowledge touches one and transforms one, what's the use?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> >

> > The dictionaries give these meaning of Aanana.

> > n. the mouth

> > the face R. Ragh. &c.

> > entrance , door L.

> >

> > Do you find head mentioned here? If we want to go into why Ravana

> was

> > called Dashanana and not Dashasheersha, the reason would consume

> much

> > time especially if we go on from topic to topic, leaving the

> original

> > thread and not adding to our knowledge in any manner.

> >

> > I think you are deviating from my original comment, to which

> different

> > arguments have so far been presented by you and many others.

> >

> > If I remember right, I said that Kundalini is auspicious whether

> dormant

> > or awakened and you and a few more thought otherwise. I have not

> seen

> > anything in support of the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious,

> so far.

> > Do you not think saying that Mother is gyani in dormant state and

> then

> > saying she is inauspicious a bit misleading? If we accept that

> then

> > Gyana will be inauspicious. All texts will be inauspicious and so

> will

> > all the statues of the Gods. I do not think that is the right

> position

> > per scriptures.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > When we refer to Ravana as "Dashaanana" does that mean he had

> only

> > > 10 faces and not 10 heads? What about other synonyms for Ravana

> like

> > > dashakantha, dasagreeva etc? Or when we talk of "sahasra seersha

> > > purushaH " are we talking only of heads without faces?

> > >

> > > :--))

> > >

> > > According to me, "triramani" suggests the Beautiful One who is

> > > embodiment of /resides in/revels in....gunatraya, roopatraya,

> > > avasthaatraya, maatritraya, bhoopuratraya, mandalatraya,

> konatraya,

> > > rekhaatraya, mantratraya, kootatraya, triputi etc.

> > >

> > > I hope you realize that here we are talking of one who has

> > > sthoola/sookshma/karana sareeras as well as trigunas. Please

> > > contrast this to "sphutashivashaktisamaagama beejankuraroopiNi

> > > paraashaktiH aNutharasookshmaanuttaravimarshalipi

> > > lakshyavigrahaabhaathi"-which means that union of shiva-shakti is

> > > like beejankura. At this juncture Paraashakti is so subtle as

> not to

> > > be perceived at all. She's like akasha and exists only as

> > > akshara/mantra swaroopini. Vagbhava koota!

> > >

> > > I refer you to the "oordhwamoolamadhaH shaakham ashwatham"

> example I

> > > quoted earlier, in this respect. What's is seen at the lower

> level

> > > is physical/gunamayi (sthoola/gross) manifestation, while at the

> > > higher level it's the unseen roots/beeja (sookshma/subtle)

> > > manifestation. Both belong to the same tree, but there is a

> > > difference in manifestation.

> > >

> > > Mother is definitely "gyaanini" at all times. But at Mooladhara

> the

> > > gyaana is only inert/potential. Suppose you have a great life-

> > > changing book (kundalini) in your house (body), shut up in a room

> > > (mooladhara). You do have the book, the potential to actuate

> > > yourself, but unless you open the room, read the book, allow that

> > > great wisdom to touch you and transform you, do you reap any

> benefit

> > > from its presence?

> > >

> > > Now, can I please have your understanding

> > > of "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä"?

> > >

> > > Perhaps we are unfairly imposing on others' time.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > I hope you do not want me to translate Aanana as head? I do

> not

> > > see you

> > > > disputing Kundalini in Mulaadhara being called Triramani,

> GYaanini

> > > etc.

> > > > though you think she is inauspicious there. May I know why? I

> hope

> > > you

> > > > do not dispute Lord Krishna's opinion on GYana.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for sharing the nice shloka with us. I am sorry that

> I had

> > > > > indeed overlooked responding to it. In this regard, I have

> > > already

> > > > > given my explanation of what's auspicious and what's not,

> based

> > > on

> > > > > Soubhagya Bhaskaram.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please explain to me how you understand the

> > > > > phrase "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä".

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the same

> > > place,

> > > > > and if

> > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your arguments

> are

> > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support of your

> > > argument

> > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the shloka I

> > > sent

> > > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the head

> > > come...in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any other

> koota

> > > > > defined

> > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do you

> imply

> > > that

> > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of astrology

> > > mappings

> > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a simple

> > > principle in

> > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me, unless

> you are

> > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or want to

> > > confuse

> > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya intended

> > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt kundalini at

> > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari samsthithaa".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a python

> at

> > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser than at

> > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not agni

> > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha" happens only

> > > from

> > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and is

> ignited

> > > only

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but a

> group of

> > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating the

> vacha.

> > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija protect

> the

> > > > > throat

> > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And her

> > > principal

> > > > > abode

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara. However if

> you

> > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant you are

> > > free to

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm beeja

> is

> > > most

> > > > > dear

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you need the

> > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that Kundalini

> means

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that certainly

> does

> > > not

> > > > > mean

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in Rudrayamala

> Tantra.

> > > Do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is described as

> > > vagbhava

> > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read the

> > > yamalas, i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of vagbhava

> > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH" and

> talks of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with Shiva....mahe

> utsave

> > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH tatparataa

> yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu taneeyasee"

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened kundalini,

> > > let me

> > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> uttishtatha.

> > > maa

> > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up( the

> > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

> Kundalini.

> > > It's

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger),

> lobha

> > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

> among

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini"

> and

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of

> both

> > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

> routed

> > > > > towards

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the

> same?

> > > The

> > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use,

> is

> > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati,

> wisdom

> > > and

> > > > > power,

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is

> very

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

> krura. I

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

> malefic

> > > > > results,

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

> > > refer

> > > > > to all

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

> > > losing

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > > exploration

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

> > > see no

> > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> > > young.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> Swamiji's

> > > > > biography

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> > > apparent

> > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

> confirms

> > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

> know

> > > I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there

> is a

> > > Kuja

> > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

> > > bring

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> astrological

> > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The

> two

> > > have

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an

> event but

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in

> that

> > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read

> my

> > > mail,

> > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

> that

> > > it

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

> always

> > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the

> topic,

> > > did

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> > > powerful

> > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

> > > you may

> > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> Mahakrura.

> > > Think

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> > > declaring

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu

> and

> > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

> > > passed

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > > (3:59:13

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > > (5:06:28

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is

> the

> > > 2nd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in

> the

> > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the

> 2nd

> > > lord

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > significations

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

> death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

> > > house,

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th

> house? I

> > > am

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))

> but

> > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he

> created

> > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the

> 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the

> 7th

> > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

> > > strong

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have

> not

> > > > > commented

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated

> in

> > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> > > people,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of

> what I

> > > > > said.

> > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> > > sarcoma

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

> > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine

> the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd

> lord

> > > from

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart,

> rahu

> > > is

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

> > > which

> > > > > point

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

> > > ketu

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect,

> if at

> > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > > (2:05:32

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > > (8:49:14

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > (12:47:04

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

> dasa

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think

> their

> > > mind

> > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the

> above

> > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in

> my

> > > next

> > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as

> a

> > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even

> when in

> > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> > > smritam has

> > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> > > through

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and

> that

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

> > > P.M.

> > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > > attributed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine

> they

> > > would

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all

> with

> > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of

> India

> > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > > > principles

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving

> the

> > > > > reference

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

> classic

> > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to

> accept

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

> Raman,

> > > it

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka

> I

> > > would

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

> > > Raman

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

> results,

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> disagree

> > > about

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> contrary to

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I

> find

> > > that

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor

> that

> > > their

> > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

> > > mars

> > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in

> lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted

> Saturn

> > > (9H)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn

> gives

> > > good

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> > > because i

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is,

> that

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and

> the

> > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak

> and

> > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

> years

> > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

> notice

> > > the

> > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> difference

> > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

> > > giving

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good,

> then

> > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak,

> give

> > > bad

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

> planets,

> > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > > wouldn't

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> combust

> > > and

> > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

> Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

> > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> shadbala

> > > is

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

> > > read the

> > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died,

> the

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> Parashurama

> > > would

> > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

> > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to

> be

> > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from

> 8th

> > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

> zodiac,

> > > the

> > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord

> of

> > > > > death,

> > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> > > Rudras

> > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> resides in

> > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he

> has

> > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> referred to

> > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma

> and

> > > not

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

> results

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father

> had

> > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

> time.

> > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of

> 9

> > > or so

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you

> did not

> > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu

> and

> > > Rahu

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as

> you

> > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

> yoga

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > > instead

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

> > > say so

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> conjunct a

> > > papa

> > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > > trikona

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> > > claimed

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th)

> and

> > > its

> > > > > home

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it

> is

> > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun

> be at

> > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

> represent

> > > water

> > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent

> too. My

> > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

> > > and i

> > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> > > writing,

> > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> student, I

> > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if

> Sun

> > > were

> > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

> being

> > > in

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is

> also

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic

> and

> > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent

> burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

> > > bodies,

> > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 18, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the quotation in

Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to a new OS,

so my ITrans got wiped out.

I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just being lazy.

I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this regard.

Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka) must hit the

dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha, repeatedly, until it

turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe kundalini at

Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma randhra and

unites with shiva thereat, so that it can cause "shubham" and Amrita

varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with new

understanding.

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

>

> That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The text

being in

> roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through. It was

indeed

> negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some other

verses

> not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey of

Kundalini

> or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more comfortable

with

> Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is done

> differently in north and south.

> There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs. But as

I said

> I can not escape blame on that account.

>

> By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference, mention

that

> Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made out by

you? That

> is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

>

> The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the natural

> dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean that she

is

> inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit properly. There

> > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini being

activated

> > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited knowledge

goes,

> > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly see

phrase

> > in the quotation.

> >

> > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara tantra,

expanded

> > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha vyaakhya on the

> > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> >

> > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in giving

it.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where is the

> > reference

> > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I know

as to

> > why

> > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at Muladhara is

> > excluded? I

> > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

Swadhishthana.

> > Would

> > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could try to

> > locate the

> > > complete verse myself?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya utpannaa

> > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte payovratam

> > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam anyadapi

> > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva chandramandalam

> > dravateethi

> > > > bhavaH"

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that

Kundalini

> > has

> > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures (utpatti

> > avastha)

> > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham, through

the

> > medium

> > > > of agni.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from

scriptures

> > > > that you

> > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious.

That

> > will

> > > > help

> > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja and other

> > Kootas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given according to

> > kootas,

> > > > is

> > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not? Let's get

this

> > > > straight

> > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest. Please

do

> > not

> > > > worry

> > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you, and can

> > provide

> > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean the

portion

> > upto

> > > > neck

> > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the

same

> > > > place,

> > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

arguments

> > are

> > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support of

your

> > > > argument

> > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the

shloka I

> > > > sent

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the

head

> > > > come...in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any

other

> > koota

> > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do you

> > imply

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

astrology

> > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a simple

> > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me, unless

> > you are

> > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or want

to

> > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

intended

> > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt kundalini

at

> > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a

python

> > at

> > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser than at

> > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not agni

> > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha" happens

only

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and is

> > ignited

> > > > only

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but a

> > group of

> > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating

the

> > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija

protect

> > the

> > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And her

> > > > principal

> > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara. However

if

> > you

> > > > want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant you

are

> > > > free to

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm

beeja

> > is

> > > > most

> > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you

need the

> > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that Kundalini

> > means

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

certainly

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in Rudrayamala

> > Tantra.

> > > > Do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is described

as

> > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read the

> > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

vagbhava

> > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH" and

> > talks of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with Shiva....mahe

> > utsave

> > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH tatparataa

> > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

taneeyasee"

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

kundalini,

> > > > let me

> > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > uttishtatha.

> > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up(

the

> > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

> > Kundalini.

> > > > It's

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

(anger),

> > lobha

> > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and

maatsarya

> > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

> > among

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

swaroopini"

> > and

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding

of

> > both

> > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

> > routed

> > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the

> > same?

> > > > The

> > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good

use,

> > is

> > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati,

> > wisdom

> > > > and

> > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

Shakti is

> > very

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

> > krura. I

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

> > malefic

> > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You

can

> > > > refer

> > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

winning or

> > > > losing

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > > > exploration

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the

case, I

> > > > see no

> > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early

age are

> > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did

not die

> > > > young.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> > Swamiji's

> > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> > > > apparent

> > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

> > confirms

> > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did

not

> > know

> > > > I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if

there

> > is a

> > > > Kuja

> > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please

do not

> > > > bring

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> > astrological

> > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions

are

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where.

The

> > two

> > > > have

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an

> > event but

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you

have

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha

in

> > that

> > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you

read

> > my

> > > > mail,

> > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him,

only

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma

and

> > always

> > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the

> > topic,

> > > > did

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing

a

> > > > powerful

> > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji

lived,

> > > > you may

> > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> > Mahakrura.

> > > > Think

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also,

before

> > > > declaring

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

icchamrityu

> > and

> > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe

that he

> > > > passed

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-

10

> > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-

08-27

> > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-

12

> > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-

07

> > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-

07-06

> > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus

is

> > the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is

in

> > the

> > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is

the

> > 2nd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > > significations

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

> > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all

this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

aspecting 7th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore

the

> > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th

> > house? I

> > > > am

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--

))

> > but

> > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he

> > created

> > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to

the

> > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in

the

> > 7th

> > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think

the

> > > > strong

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You

have

> > not

> > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the

bhava

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already

stated

> > in

> > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to

great

> > > > people,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise

of

> > what I

> > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

malignant

> > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in

his

> > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

examine

> > the

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the

3rd

> > lord

> > > > from

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's

chart,

> > rahu

> > > > is

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

effects...all of

> > > > which

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th

house and

> > > > ketu

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

effect,

> > if at

> > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-

03

> > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-

21

> > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-

18

> > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-

20

> > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-

04-14

> > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that

the

> > dasa

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I

think

> > their

> > > > mind

> > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

totally

> > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the

> > above

> > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues

in

> > my

> > > > next

> > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

strong as

> > a

> > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even

> > when in

> > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

Please go

> > > > through

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and

Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background

and

> > that

> > > > he

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its

soft

> > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics

giving

> > > > P.M.

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > > > attributed

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine

> > they

> > > > would

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all

> > with

> > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of

> > India

> > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages

gave us

> > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope

using

> > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka

giving

> > the

> > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

> > classic

> > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to

> > accept

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

> > Raman,

> > > > it

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the

shloka

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri

B.V.

> > > > Raman

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

> > results,

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> > disagree

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> > contrary to

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I

> > find

> > > > that

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura

nor

> > that

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in

lagna and

> > > > mars

> > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd

house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in

> > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th

house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted

> > Saturn

> > > > (9H)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi,

while

> > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to

Saturn's

> > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong

Saturn

> > gives

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying

is

> > > > because i

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying

is,

> > that

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura)

and

> > the

> > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when

weak

> > and

> > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I

was 9

> > years

> > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

> > notice

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> > difference

> > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that

Rahu is

> > > > giving

> > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally

good,

> > then

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart

because

> > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak,

> > give

> > > > bad

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

> > planets,

> > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak,

he

> > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> > combust

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

> > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

according

> > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> > shadbala

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request

you to

> > > > read the

> > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he

died,

> > the

> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

persons in

> > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > Parashurama

> > > > would

> > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to

learn

> > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

Duryodhana.

> > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But

it's to

> > be

> > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house

from

> > 8th

> > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

> > zodiac,

> > > > the

> > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

represents

> > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the

lord

> > of

> > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds.

So, the

> > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> > resides in

> > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So

he

> > has

> > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> > referred to

> > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

antaraatma

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

> > results

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your

father

> > had

> > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

> > time.

> > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young

age of

> > 9

> > > > or so

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you

> > did not

> > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about

Rahu

> > and

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

conjunction, as

> > you

> > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > yoga

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its

dasha

> > > > instead

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not

because I

> > > > say so

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> > conjunct a

> > > > papa

> > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of

Artha

> > > > trikona

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money.

Though

> > > > claimed

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana

(8th)

> > and

> > > > its

> > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is

more

> > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If

it

> > is

> > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would

Sun

> > be at

> > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

> > represent

> > > > water

> > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent

> > too. My

> > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were

great

> > > > and i

> > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> > > > writing,

> > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> > student, I

> > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this,

if

> > Sun

> > > > were

> > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results,

but

> > being

> > > > in

> > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu

is

> > also

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is

malefic

> > and

> > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent

> > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a

place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all

water

> > > > bodies,

> > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 18, 2006

Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

Yes I do agree there seems to be some confusion. Millionaire telling

from roof tops is not correct analogy. It should be Millionaire

telling about his/her success in a matter-of-fact way. In this way no

unnecessary sentiments gets attached with his/her expression.

> About Krishna and Gita one must understand that unlike what is

assumed

> by many, one who reveals the knowledge to Arjuna is not Krishna of

yadu

> vamsha but the Par Brahman.

Now this is something new to me! Is it from your secret parampara or

out of affection and love towards Kirshna!

WHy to unnecessaryly create another controversy? What purpose does it

solve? Moreover, how does it matter? If Parabrahma claims then it is

not ego and if yadu vansha krishna claims then it is ego, do you want

to imply this?

I again humbly request you to consider following things:

1) In the Vedic Context King does not have absolute power and he is

not considered as of divine inheritance and should take pride in

welfare of his subjects.

2) In the western concept of King,the King enjoys the supreme power

and divine inheritance and was considered as representative of God.

3) In the Vedic times as well we may find a king who might had acted

not in accordance with the scriptures and there may be equal number

of kings who followed scriptures.

4) The understanding of the word King by Vedic Rishi should be based

on Vedic context of concept of King.

5) Since in the Vedic Contxt King did not have absolute power, it is

not proper to say that the concept/term King in Vedic context means

Ego. So in a Vedic way the Sun will not indicate Ego.

6) On the other hand, the concept of Ego and King can be equated when

interpretated in Western context. So the Sun will indicate Ego.

If we agree on this we can then work on Mada,Rahu, and Ego in this

context.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> I think there is some confusion here. Do you mean that one who is a

> millionaire telling that from roof tops to poor people is speaking

the

> truth or an example of ego at its worst? If you think this is only

> speaking the truth, then we look at what is ego from different

perspectives.

>

> About Krishna and Gita one must understand that unlike what is

assumed

> by many, one who reveals the knowledge to Arjuna is not Krishna of

yadu

> vamsha but the Par Brahman. That is why he refers to himself as

Krishna

> amongst Vrishni Vanshias. He does not go on announcing his

greatness at

> the beginning. He, first, reveals very deep knowledge to Arjuna.

You

> then observe Arjuna questioning Krishna and cross questioning him,

> unlike what we are, perhaps, supposed to do with the pronouncements

of

> Lord Rama and King Ashwapati. You then see Lord Krishna telling

Arjuna

> about the importance of knowledge (of the lord within) and that

this way

> he can get emancipation. The we see the Lord explaining what is the

> essence of his being in impersonal terms. He talks about the Param

> Purusha indicating what he is referring to earlier and later at

shloka

> 10 Adhyaaya 8. Arjuna again requests Lord Krishna about his

different

> rupas in shloka 18 Adhyaaya 10, saying he is desirous of hearing

more

> about the Lord's different rupas. after And he is saying what he

says in

> response to a query from Arjuna about knowing him in his entirety

only

> for imparting knowledge to Arjuna. If you read Gita in depth, you

will

> find him equating himself with gambling also. That is not egoistic

or

> what can be called bragging in modern terms.

>

> I think it is better if we differentiate between what are the Vedic

Laws

> and what are perceived to be Vedic laws. That is why I quoted from

> Manusmriti.

>

> We can not selectively take examples of Kings from Vedic times and

claim

> them to be divine and without blemish and thus Vedas telling that

King

> can not have ego. We have to take all the Kings of that era, if we

want

> to convince others that in Vedic times the word King meant one who

is

> pious and none of his actions can be termed as on account of ego.

>

> BY the way in both the speeches the Kings are not talking about

taking

> care of welfare of their subjects but how they have kept the

Kingdom

> either free of crimes or how they will give everything for the sake

of

> the Subjects.

>

> I know this may appear like hairsplitting, but you talk of Vedic

> injunction being the King taking care of welfare of his subjects

and

> therefore King means pious or non egoist or whatever way you want

to put

> it. And the speeches do not reflect that intent.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> >

> > > If a King proclaiming his virtues himself is not ego then pray

what

> > is?

> > > It is an accepted practice that one does not broadcast one's

virtue

> > > oneself.

> >

> > King proclaiming his virtues himself can not be an example of Ego

> > specially it the king is speaking truth. At most it can be

treated as

> > expression of Pride but certainly not Ego. In this way even

Krishna

> > will be clubed as Egoist as he has proclaim so many things about

> > himself in Geeta.

> >

> > > I am sure you recognize names of many Vedic Kings there. Do you

> > think

> > > Parashara was unaware of this and so he must have meant what

you

> > imply?

> > >

> >

> > I do but the point is not that. As I said earlier that scriptures

say

> > that King should take Pride in welfare of his subjects and should

not

> > considered as absolute power. Some kings at vedic times have acted

> > otherwise but that is not the point. Moreover there is no point in

> > making conjuctures as what parashara thought and whether he was

aware

> > of the Kings not following scriptures,before writting Jyotish

> > Grantha. In my humble opinion we can only comment on meanings of

> > Vedic terms like 'King' in vedic context. My example of rama was

to

> > highlight the fact that there were kings who were ready to do

> > anything for the welfare of their subjects. King's dharma was that

> > only and Rama followed it.

> >

> > WIll write about Rahu again once this is resoived!

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > I can understand why you find it difficult to see ego in the

> > speeches

> > > that you quoted. That precisely is why I said that it is

better not

> > to

> > > bring personalities in discussions on astrology, especially

those

> > whom

> > > one may revere. It is not easy to be dispassionate about their

> > actions

> > > or speech.

> > >

> > > If a King proclaiming his virtues himself is not ego then pray

what

> > is?

> > > It is an accepted practice that one does not broadcast one's

virtue

> > > oneself. I think you will understand the source of the

following.

> > > @tavan! @v pué;ae yt! £ jaya£ATma àja£#it h, ivàa> àa÷s! twa

c£@tdœ

> > yae

> > > -taR sa Sm&t£A¼na. 9£45

> > > 9.45. He only is a perfect man who consists (of three persons

> > united),

> > > his wife, himself, and his offspring; thus (says the Veda), and

> > > (learned) Brahmanas propound this (maxim) likewise, 'The

husband is

> > > declared to be one with the wife.'

> > >

> > > And though as you have quoted Lord Rama saying " I will not

mind

> > any

> > > affliction in abandoning my wife for the good of my subjects".

and

> > > called it Vedic Dharma. Let me quote Manusmriti on when a King

> > should

> > > give up his wife.

> > > "Aapdw¡ xn< r]edœ daran! r]edœ xnErœ Aip, AaTman< stt< r]edœ

darErœ

> > Aip

> > > xnErœ Aip." 7£213

> > > 7.213.

> > > For times of need let him preserve his wealth; at the expense

of

> > his

> > > wealth let him preserve his wife; let him at all events

preserve

> > himself

> > > even by (giving up) his wife and his wealth.

> > >

> > > So do you think that what was said was more of a boast or

otherwise?

> > >

> > > About the conduct of Kings Manusmriti says:

> > > sMmanadœ äaü[ae inTym! %iÖjet iv;adœ #v, Am&tSy£#v c£Aka'œ]edœ

> > AvmanSy

> > > svRda. 2£162

> > >

> > > venae ivnòae Aivnyat! £ n÷;z! c£@v paiwRv>, suda> pEjvnz! c£@v

> > sumuoae

> > > inimrœ @v c. 7£41

> > > 7.41.

> > > Through a want of humility Vena perished, likewise king

Nahusha,

> > Sudas,

> > > the son of Pigavana, Sumukha, and Nemi.

> > >

> > > I am sure you recognize names of many Vedic Kings there. Do you

> > think

> > > Parashara was unaware of this and so he must have meant what

you

> > imply?

> > >

> > > Think again. It is easy to swear by one sage and think his

words

> > meant

> > > what we want them to mean and it may be entirely different

what he

> > in

> > > fact meant to convey.

> > >

> > > Endless debate on what is Mada is possible but Koshas, Higher

> > Sanskrit

> > > Grammar by M.R. Bhat and other sources do indicate that Mada is

> > > primarily intoxication state, the reasons being variable. I

think

> > it is

> > > well to remember that rahu delivers results based on the graha

> > conjunct

> > > or the lord of the Bhava occupied or 7th from itself and even

those

> > of

> > > planets aspecting it ( by extension). No wonder that rahu

occupying

> > > house of Mars in 5th can cause problems in begetting progeny.

> > >

> > > If as you think Rahu who is Mada and that it means Pride then

why

> > Rahu

> > > in 5th should create problems in the house of progeny. It

should

> > give

> > > more progeny and with ease as the indications will be that of

the

> > jataka

> > > having pride on account of multiple progeny. Though for the

life of

> > me I

> > > do not understand why the combination given by you indicates

that

> > rahu

> > > is Pride. And that, that is the reason for the person not

having

> > Progeny

> > > or having difficulty in getting progeny.

> > >

> > > I do not find again, that Parashara is referring to Rahu only

being

> > in

> > > the 5th or as you say Rahu alone in the example given by you.

He

> > on the

> > > other hand does say that rahu has to be in a) 5th house and B)

in

> > the

> > > rasi of Mars or aspected by Mars, for problems in begetting

> > progeny. Or

> > > have I not been able to understand what you are diriving at

when

> > you say

> > > Parashara giving independent indications of rahu in the example

> > given?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar Ji namste

> > > >

> > > > >Most of the

> > > > > speeches that you quote, if read with due detachment and

> > ignoring

> > > > the

> > > > > personalities making them, would sound most egoist

speeches to

> > all

> > > > and

> > > > > sundry. I know saying this would raise

> > > > > tempers on the list but truth must prevail.

> > > >

> > > > Exactly. Truth must prevail. Why a passionate speech by a

vedic

> > king

> > > > should be treated as expression of Ego? If this is ego then

every

> > > > thing by a king towards his subjects will be ego.

> > > > Ofcourse, I am nobody to object your views about that but it

> > would be

> > > > interesting to find out what excatly you considered as

egoist in

> > > > those speeches.

> > > >

> > > > > But one can go on arguing on this aspect to no end and

> > bringing in

> > > > the

> > > > > ideal king as an example of King and conjecturing the

Parashara

> > > > meant

> > > > > that King, while good for argument's sake may not be the

right

> > way

> > > > to

> > > > > look at astrological principles.

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to say that in a Vedic context, King means who takes

> > pride

> > > > in the welfare of the subjects and will not have absolute

power

> > like

> > > > in western philosophy. Such vedic king may be ideal or may

not be

> > > > ideal but what vedic scriptures say must be kept in mind. If

we

> > > > believe that Parashara is vedic Jyotish Pravartak then there

is no

> > > > question about what he had in mind when he said about Surya

being

> > > > King. Terms which are Vedic should be treated on the Vedic

> > context.

> > > > It does not matter as to how many kings were cruel towards

> > subjects

> > > > in Vedic times what matters is that how scriptures describe

the

> > > > king.What are his duties and what should be his authority

and how

> > he

> > > > should excercise it? That is why it essential to get in to

what

> > Vedas

> > > > and Manu says about king's duties. If you feel that I am

> > > > unnecessarily getting this point, I respectfully request you

to

> > > > please think on this.

> > > >

> > > > > Do you think Mada does not mean intoxication or state of

> > > > intoxication in

> > > > > Sanskrit?

> > > >

> > > > Mada does mean Intoxication but point is that it as well

means

> > Pride!

> > > > Why to forget this? If Kalyan Verma says that Rahu is

associated

> > with

> > > > Mada then all meanings of Mada will be associated with Rahu.

That

> > > > will include being intoxicated and as well being into state

of

> > Pride.

> > > > Since rahu as well is understood as 'limitless' so naturally

pride

> > > > will be limitless and hence will be Ego.

> > > >

> > > > There is no doubt that Rahu gives the results like Shani or

the

> > lord

> > > > of the house occupied by him but this possibly we apply more,

> > when we

> > > > are into timing of events. Otherwise why Parashara has said

few

> > > > things only related to Rahu? Like he says that 5th house

Rahu when

> > > > aspected by Mars or in the houses of Mars then the native

will

> > have

> > > > problems in the progeny. He could have simply said in one

line

> > that

> > > > Rahu should be Always treated as lord of the house occupied

by

> > him or

> > > > like Shani and that would have ended the references of Rahu.

But

> > > > parashara clearly gives the independent references of Rahu.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are not wrong when you say that "So in a Vedic Jyotish

way

> > the

> > > > Sun

> > > > > in strength will have PRIDE in being ideal king' for his

> > subjects

> > > > (other

> > > > > Grahas)." But if the King is doing what is only his duty as

> > per the

> > > > > Vedic Dharma, then pride in such context will be Ego. Most

of

> > the

> > > > > speeches that you quote, if read with due detachment and

> > ignoring

> > > > the

> > > > > personalities making them, would sound most egoist

speeches to

> > all

> > > > and

> > > > > sundry. I know saying this would raise

> > > > > tempers on the list but truth must prevail.

> > > > >

> > > > > But one can go on arguing on this aspect to no end and

> > bringing in

> > > > the

> > > > > ideal king as an example of King and conjecturing the

Parashara

> > > > meant

> > > > > that King, while good for argument's sake may not be the

right

> > way

> > > > to

> > > > > look at astrological principles. The first pitfall would be

> > that

> > > > though

> > > > > it is fashionable these days to say that all Kings of Vedic

> > times

> > > > acted

> > > > > as they should the fact remains that Puranas and Vedas are

> > replete

> > > > with

> > > > > stories of Kings who were very cruel t their subjects and

> > harassed

> > > > those

> > > > > performing vedic Rituals. When this is pointed out tempers

> > flare

> > > > which

> > > > > is a sure beginning of a rational discussion on the

principles

> > of

> > > > > astrology going awry.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is why it is better to steer clear of the scriptures

when

> > > > > discussing astrology, specially on a public list, as the

> > scriptures

> > > > are

> > > > > subject to different interpretations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you think Mada does not mean intoxication or state of

> > > > intoxication in

> > > > > Sanskrit? I am sure that Unmaada is one of the five arrows

of

> > > > Madana.

> > > > > And that is Mada represented by Rahu. That is what flows

> > through

> > > > the

> > > > > temporal glands of a bull elephant and then the bull

elephant

> > > > becomes

> > > > > uncontrollable like being intoxicated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Again if you happen to refer to kosha you will find

synonyms

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > five types of pride to be Garva, Abhimaana, Ahankara, Maana

> > etc.

> > > > While

> > > > > in English language Pride has certain connotation, to find

> > exact

> > > > > synonyms to Sanskrit words is always difficult.

> > > > >

> > > > > Letting apart these discussions which will more often

mislead

> > than

> > > > solve

> > > > > anything, let us at least agree that the sage does say that

> > Rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > Ketu behave as the lords of the house occupied by them or

the

> > lord

> > > > of a

> > > > > house that they conjoin.

> > > > >

> > > > > If we are agreed on this then think why should Rahu, or

Ketu

> > for

> > > > that

> > > > > matter, who can not deliver own results but has to depend

on

> > other

> > > > > planets to express itself would, by itself and devoid of

other

> > > > graha

> > > > > combination; be endowed with the quality of Ego by the

writer.

> > More

> > > > so

> > > > > why when Rahu when alone is said to give results of Shani

> > (Manda

> > > > Sama

> > > > > Rahu..) as Shani is certainly not connected with ego by any

> > stretch

> > > > of

> > > > > imagination.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was indeed a great plesure to read your mails

regarding

> > > > > > interpretations of the astrological text and more

specially

> > how

> > > > > > Sanskrit language words can mislead at times. Now I have

some

> > > > doubts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think Pride means Self-respect and Ego means Inflated

or

> > False

> > > > > > Pride. Parashara has attributed the Sun to being Raja or

> > King. In

> > > > the

> > > > > > vedic philosophy we see that Raja was suppose to take

care

> > of the

> > > > > > welfare of his subjects. In the Chandogya Upanishad the

king

> > > > > > Ashvapati describes his kingdom and his subjects as: "In

my

> > > > kingdom

> > > > > > there is no thief,no coward,nor amiser,no drunked,nor is

> > there one

> > > > > > who has not taken the vow of worship of the'Fire', no

idots,

> > nor

> > > > men

> > > > > > of loose character.Where could therefore be here women

> > without

> > > > > > morals?"(Chandogya 5-11). We as well see similar

references

> > in

> > > > > > Ramayana regarding RamaRajya. Rama says: I will forsake

> > > > everything,

> > > > > > affection,compassion,happiness,even my beloved wife

Janaki,

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > sake of the welfare of my subjects. I will not mind any

> > > > affliction in

> > > > > > abondoning my wife for the good of my subjects". We find

> > many such

> > > > > > references in RigVeda and Atherva veda as well. The great

> > epic of

> > > > > > VedaVyasa as well gives similar attributes to King.Such

was

> > the

> > > > > > concept of the ideal of the institution of kingship,

which

> > every

> > > > > > Vedic king took PRIDE in realising.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the pasasge of Time there came the western

counterpart for

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > > Kings. In the west the mediaeval thinkers invested divine

> > > > inheritance

> > > > > > on the king who was considered to be the representative

of

> > God.

> > > > The

> > > > > > king having received his authority to rule by divine

right

> > was not

> > > > > > answerable to the people and therefore was an absolute in

> > his own

> > > > > > right.The people had no right to rebel against the king

or

> > demand

> > > > his

> > > > > > dethronement. The predominant thought behind that concept

> > was to

> > > > > > bestow sovereign and absolute powers on the king. This

> > naturally

> > > > made

> > > > > > Kings to have 'inflated pride' or EGO. This western

mediaeval

> > > > concept

> > > > > > of king had great influence in Mediaeval indian kings as

> > well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Bharat, however, political thinkers never advocated or

> > offered

> > > > any

> > > > > > abolute power and authority to the king. Kingship was

always

> > > > regared

> > > > > > as subservient to the will and dependent upon the

sanction

> > of the

> > > > > > people and was alwyas answerable to them. So there was no

> > concept

> > > > > > of 'Inflated or False Pride' in the Vedic King. The king

> > being

> > > > fully

> > > > > > aware that all his authority and power were derived from

his

> > > > > > subjects would try to look to their welfare.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So in a Vedic Jyotish way the Sun in strength will have

> > PRIDE in

> > > > > > being ideal 'king' for his subjects(other Grahas). Same,

if

> > seen

> > > > in

> > > > > > Western way can mean the Sun will have EGO.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moreover, we see that Western(foreign) cocept of Absolute

> > power

> > > > with

> > > > > > the King is exactly opposite that of Vedic concept of

King.

> > So in

> > > > a

> > > > > > vedic way of thinking what is wrong in attributting Rahu

to

> > > > foreign

> > > > > > concept of inflated & false Pride or EGO.?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finally, Mada does mean Pride in sanskrit. When

attributed to

> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > will naturally have the element of falsehood/deceit

> > associated

> > > > with

> > > > > > pride and hence may lead to EGO. Am I wrong?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pride is different from ego. Like it or not Mada does

mean

> > > > > > intoxication

> > > > > > > or lust. The Kama that is referred to relates to

kaamana

> > which

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > desires for things possessed by others. That is what

> > Asteya,

> > > > one of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > Yamas of Hatha yogas refer to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are talking about auspiciousness or other wise of

the

> > > > dormant or

> > > > > > > awakened Kundalini. As I said all scriptures can be

> > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > one wants to do that. But that does not serve any

purpose.

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > go into what exactly is meant by Vidya and Avidya

> > > > Maa. I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > not yet seen any Pramana, in the form of a shloka, to

> > support

> > > > your

> > > > > > > proposition that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious and

the

> > > > awakened

> > > > > > > Kundalini is auspicious so far. I have already posted

the

> > way

> > > > my

> > > > > > > generation has been taught to accept an argument, so I

> > shall

> > > > not

> > > > > > repeat

> > > > > > > it here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But I will not resort to conjectures and would like to

> > quote

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Rudrayamala tantra about the swarUpa of dormant

Kundalini.

> > > > Being

> > > > > > > graduate in sanskrit, I am sure I will not have to

> > translate

> > > > it for

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure you must have some quote to support your

> > contention.

> > > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > like to see the shloka, as against conjectures, so

that I

> > can

> > > > > > improve

> > > > > > > upon my knowledge of the swarupaa of Kundalini.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can understand your reluctance to support your

> > propositions

> > > > with

> > > > > > > suitable pramanas. I am sorry if I have hurt you by

> > pointing

> > > > out

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > inconsistency in the way you treated Surya and Rahu

> > > > combinations in

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > different chart as stand out combinations only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had no intention to cause any hurt to you and if I

have

> > done

> > > > so

> > > > > > > inadvertently I crave your pardon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha

> > > > (greed),

> > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply among

the

> > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

intoxicated/drunk

> > with

> > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini" and

> > correct

> > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of both

> > > > facets. As

> > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be routed

> > > > towards good

> > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the same?

The

> > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use, is

> > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati, wisdom

and

> > > > power, is

> > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > correct/judicious end

> > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is

very

> > very

> > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and krura.

I

> > also

> > > > always

> > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give malefic

> > > > results, if

> > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

refer

> > to

> > > > all my

> > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

losing

> > an

> > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

exploration

> > and

> > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

see no

> > > > purpose

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > operating

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> > young. So

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read Swamiji's

> > > > biography you

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

apparent

> > > > robust

> > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

confirms

> > with

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

know I

> > was

> > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there is a

Kuja

> > > > dosha

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

bring

> > our

> > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into astrological

> > > > analysis of

> > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are on

the

> > > > effects

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The two

> > have to

> > > > be

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an event

but

> > only

> > > > trying

> > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> > perhaps

> > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in that

> > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read my

> > mail, I

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

that it

> > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

always

> > > > beneficent

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the topic,

did

> > its

> > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

Vivekananda's

> > chart

> > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

powerful

> > Raj

> > > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

you

> > may

> > > > have to

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

> > Think

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

declaring

> > > > that it

> > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu and

> > looking

> > > > at the

> > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

passed

> > > > away in

> > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > (3:59:13 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > (4:48:54

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > (10:43:55

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > (5:06:28 am)

> > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > (2:29:24

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

(1:27:03

> > am)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is the

2nd

> > lord

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in the

> > house of

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the 2nd

lord

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

significations

> > are

> > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early death.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

house,

> > > > can give

> > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > influence of

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th house?

I am

> > > > sure even

> > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))but

> > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he created

> > > > wherever he

> > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

strong

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have not

> > > > commented on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that

the

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > previous

> > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

people,

> > > > and then

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what

I

> > said.

> > > > Did

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

sarcoma

> > of

> > > > left

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

chart, in

> > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine the

> > > > following dasa

> > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd lord

from

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > (AK) &

> > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart, rahu

is

> > with

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

which

> > > > point to

> > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

ketu

> > can

> > > > give

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect, if at

> > all,

> > > > was

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > (2:05:32 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > (8:49:14 am)

> > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > (12:04:47

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > (12:18:02

> > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > (11:08:26

> > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

(12:47:04

> > pm)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

dasa of

> > the

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think their

> > mind

> > > > willed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the above

> > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in my

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

> > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > > > exaltation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

smritam

> > has

> > > > already

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > Mars/Venus in

> > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> > through my

> > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that

he

> > was

> > > > editor

> > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > language.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

P.M.

> > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

attributed

> > to

> > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

would

> > > > all give

> > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

> > Pancha

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > (barring

> > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > principles

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > > > respected

> > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > anything

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman,

it

> > > > would be

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

> > would of

> > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

Raman

> > that

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

results,

> > while

> > > > weak

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

about

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary

to

> > what

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find

that

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

> > their

> > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

mars

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn

(9H)

> > and

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > debilitated in

> > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > for "vipareetam

> > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > placement

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives

> > good

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

because

> > i

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that

> > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > shubha

> > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

years

> > old,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

notice the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

> > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

giving

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then

it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > according

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give

bad

> > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets,

> > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust

and

> > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala

is

> > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

read

> > the

> > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > nature

> > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

would

> > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

> > borne

> > > > in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

Duryodhana,

> > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

> > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac,

the

> > 10

> > > > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > death,

> > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

Rudras

> > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> > south

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > digbala

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> > Surya

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and

not

> > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results

of

> > the

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > > promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time.

It

> > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9

or

> > so as

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did

not

> > have

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and

Rahu

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > > > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

yoga

> > after

> > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > instead of

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

say

> > so but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a

papa

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

claimed

> > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and

its

> > > > home that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > popularly

> > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

> > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be

at

> > its

> > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

> > water

> > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

and i

> > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

writing,

> > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student,

I

> > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun

were

> > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

being in

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> > giving

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

bodies,

> > so

> > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 18, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

Let's not miss the woods for the trees!

I see that you've still not given me the complete list of meanings

of the word "mada", nor have you answered my query

about ""kulapathänandaikabéjänanä", despite my repeated requests..

I hope Itrans, or Palladio fonts is not the problem again!!

Anyway, it doesn't matter now.

I agree that unless one wants to transform oneself, it is not

possible.

Thanks & regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

>

> I think you are exasperated due to me asking you to quote for

Kundalini

> being inauspicious as was your contention, since you are now

asking me

> to give some quote to indicate that it is inauspicious in

Sahasrara. I

> have never held that position so there is no question of me giving

such

> a quote. If you remember what triggered this discussion, it was my

> comment that Kundalini whether dormant or awake is auspicious

being

> Chiti or Chita Shakti.

>

> I would not like to get involved in argument over Vidya/avidya

here as

> you seem to think one is auspicious and other is inauspicious.

This is

> like saying that Para Vidya is auspicious and therefore apara

vidya must

> be inauspicious.

> I disagree with this concept as it is not supported by rational

pramanas

> and tarkas.

>

> As to Viveka and its use, I am sure those who read the

correspondence,

> so far, can decide better.

>

> By the way, I prefer to attempt to transform myself than to claim

to be

> able to transform others.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > I have already explicitly answered you query elsewhere and

> > repeatedly about Kundalini being "auspicious" at sahasraara and

not

> > at "mooladhara" by quoting from shastras, giving examples etc. I

> > also gave copious quotes about vidya/avidya, sthoola/sookshma

> > etc...infact everything you wanted. I am sure all those are

enough

> > to convince someone who genuinely wants to understand.

> >

> > May i remind you that it's you who had sought these

clarifications

> > and I am surprised that suddenly you should find that we have

> > strayed from the original thread, which, ofcourse, is a fact:--))

> >

> > Btw, can you quote any shloka which says that kundalini is

> > auspicious at mooladhara and not at sahasraara? The shloka you

gave

> > describes the stature/nature of Mother as moolaprakriti, but

does it

> > say anywhere that kundalini at mooladhara is auspicious? If you

> > think that "gyaana" means "auspicious", are you not conjecturing?

> > Yet when I give quotes which expressly use terms as "mangalam"

> > and "shubham" you inexplicably find them irrelevant!!

> >

> > I also see that you have neither commented about my understanding

> > of "triramani" nor have you given your understanding of the

> > phrase "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä"?

> >

> > I have often heard you say that one must use "viveka"....perhaps

it

> > means that one must use it selectively or only when it suits one

and

> > not dispassionately and at all times.

> >

> > But I do want to use mine now, and i plainly see that there's no

> > point in continuing these discussions, and no real

> > learning/understanding accrues. I also sadly conclude that one

can

> > endlessly wax eloquent about "humility and learning lessons of

life"

> > but practising them in real life is a different story all

together.

> >

> > As i said earlier, one may have accumulated a lot of knowledge,

but

> > unless that knowledge touches one and transforms one, what's the

use?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > The dictionaries give these meaning of Aanana.

> > > n. the mouth

> > > the face R. Ragh. &c.

> > > entrance , door L.

> > >

> > > Do you find head mentioned here? If we want to go into why

Ravana

> > was

> > > called Dashanana and not Dashasheersha, the reason would

consume

> > much

> > > time especially if we go on from topic to topic, leaving the

> > original

> > > thread and not adding to our knowledge in any manner.

> > >

> > > I think you are deviating from my original comment, to which

> > different

> > > arguments have so far been presented by you and many others.

> > >

> > > If I remember right, I said that Kundalini is auspicious

whether

> > dormant

> > > or awakened and you and a few more thought otherwise. I have

not

> > seen

> > > anything in support of the dormant Kundalini being

inauspicious,

> > so far.

> > > Do you not think saying that Mother is gyani in dormant state

and

> > then

> > > saying she is inauspicious a bit misleading? If we accept that

> > then

> > > Gyana will be inauspicious. All texts will be inauspicious

and so

> > will

> > > all the statues of the Gods. I do not think that is the right

> > position

> > > per scriptures.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > When we refer to Ravana as "Dashaanana" does that mean he

had

> > only

> > > > 10 faces and not 10 heads? What about other synonyms for

Ravana

> > like

> > > > dashakantha, dasagreeva etc? Or when we talk of "sahasra

seersha

> > > > purushaH " are we talking only of heads without faces?

> > > >

> > > > :--))

> > > >

> > > > According to me, "triramani" suggests the Beautiful One who

is

> > > > embodiment of /resides in/revels in....gunatraya,

roopatraya,

> > > > avasthaatraya, maatritraya, bhoopuratraya, mandalatraya,

> > konatraya,

> > > > rekhaatraya, mantratraya, kootatraya, triputi etc.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you realize that here we are talking of one who has

> > > > sthoola/sookshma/karana sareeras as well as trigunas. Please

> > > > contrast this to "sphutashivashaktisamaagama

beejankuraroopiNi

> > > > paraashaktiH aNutharasookshmaanuttaravimarshalipi

> > > > lakshyavigrahaabhaathi"-which means that union of shiva-

shakti is

> > > > like beejankura. At this juncture Paraashakti is so subtle

as

> > not to

> > > > be perceived at all. She's like akasha and exists only as

> > > > akshara/mantra swaroopini. Vagbhava koota!

> > > >

> > > > I refer you to the "oordhwamoolamadhaH shaakham ashwatham"

> > example I

> > > > quoted earlier, in this respect. What's is seen at the lower

> > level

> > > > is physical/gunamayi (sthoola/gross) manifestation, while

at the

> > > > higher level it's the unseen roots/beeja (sookshma/subtle)

> > > > manifestation. Both belong to the same tree, but there is a

> > > > difference in manifestation.

> > > >

> > > > Mother is definitely "gyaanini" at all times. But at

Mooladhara

> > the

> > > > gyaana is only inert/potential. Suppose you have a great

life-

> > > > changing book (kundalini) in your house (body), shut up in

a room

> > > > (mooladhara). You do have the book, the potential to actuate

> > > > yourself, but unless you open the room, read the book,

allow that

> > > > great wisdom to touch you and transform you, do you reap any

> > benefit

> > > > from its presence?

> > > >

> > > > Now, can I please have your understanding

> > > > of "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä"?

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps we are unfairly imposing on others' time.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > I hope you do not want me to translate Aanana as head? I

do

> > not

> > > > see you

> > > > > disputing Kundalini in Mulaadhara being called Triramani,

> > GYaanini

> > > > etc.

> > > > > though you think she is inauspicious there. May I know

why? I

> > hope

> > > > you

> > > > > do not dispute Lord Krishna's opinion on GYana.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for sharing the nice shloka with us. I am sorry

that

> > I had

> > > > > > indeed overlooked responding to it. In this regard, I

have

> > > > already

> > > > > > given my explanation of what's auspicious and what's

not,

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > Soubhagya Bhaskaram.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please explain to me how you understand the

> > > > > > phrase "kulapathänandaikabéjänanä".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the

same

> > > > place,

> > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

arguments

> > are

> > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support of

your

> > > > argument

> > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the

shloka I

> > > > sent

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the

head

> > > > come...in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any

other

> > koota

> > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do you

> > imply

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

astrology

> > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a simple

> > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me, unless

> > you are

> > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or want

to

> > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

intended

> > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt kundalini

at

> > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a

python

> > at

> > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser than at

> > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not agni

> > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha" happens

only

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and is

> > ignited

> > > > only

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but a

> > group of

> > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating

the

> > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija

protect

> > the

> > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And her

> > > > principal

> > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara. However

if

> > you

> > > > want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant you

are

> > > > free to

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm

beeja

> > is

> > > > most

> > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you

need the

> > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that Kundalini

> > means

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

certainly

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k…{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k…lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in Rudrayamala

> > Tantra.

> > > > Do

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is described

as

> > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read the

> > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

vagbhava

> > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH" and

> > talks of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with Shiva....mahe

> > utsave

> > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH tatparataa

> > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

taneeyasee"

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

kundalini,

> > > > let me

> > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > uttishtatha.

> > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up(

the

> > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

> > Kundalini.

> > > > It's

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

(anger),

> > lobha

> > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and

maatsarya

> > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

> > among

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

swaroopini"

> > and

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding

of

> > both

> > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

> > routed

> > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the

> > same?

> > > > The

> > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good

use,

> > is

> > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati,

> > wisdom

> > > > and

> > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

Shakti is

> > very

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

> > krura. I

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

> > malefic

> > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You

can

> > > > refer

> > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

winning or

> > > > losing

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > > > exploration

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the

case, I

> > > > see no

> > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early

age are

> > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did

not die

> > > > young.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> > Swamiji's

> > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> > > > apparent

> > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

> > confirms

> > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did

not

> > know

> > > > I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if

there

> > is a

> > > > Kuja

> > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please

do not

> > > > bring

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> > astrological

> > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions

are

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where.

The

> > two

> > > > have

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an

> > event but

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you

have

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha

in

> > that

> > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you

read

> > my

> > > > mail,

> > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him,

only

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma

and

> > always

> > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the

> > topic,

> > > > did

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing

a

> > > > powerful

> > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji

lived,

> > > > you may

> > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> > Mahakrura.

> > > > Think

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also,

before

> > > > declaring

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

icchamrityu

> > and

> > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe

that he

> > > > passed

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-

10

> > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-

08-27

> > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-

12

> > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-

07

> > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-

07-06

> > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus

is

> > the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is

in

> > the

> > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is

the

> > 2nd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > > significations

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

> > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all

this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

aspecting 7th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore

the

> > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th

> > house? I

> > > > am

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--

))

> > but

> > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he

> > created

> > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to

the

> > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in

the

> > 7th

> > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think

the

> > > > strong

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You

have

> > not

> > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the

bhava

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already

stated

> > in

> > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to

great

> > > > people,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise

of

> > what I

> > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

malignant

> > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in

his

> > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

examine

> > the

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the

3rd

> > lord

> > > > from

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's

chart,

> > rahu

> > > > is

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

effects...all of

> > > > which

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th

house and

> > > > ketu

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

effect,

> > if at

> > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-

03

> > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-

21

> > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-

18

> > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-

20

> > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-

04-14

> > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that

the

> > dasa

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I

think

> > their

> > > > mind

> > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

totally

> > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the

> > above

> > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues

in

> > my

> > > > next

> > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

strong as

> > a

> > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even

> > when in

> > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

Please go

> > > > through

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and

Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background

and

> > that

> > > > he

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its

soft

> > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics

giving

> > > > P.M.

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > > > attributed

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine

> > they

> > > > would

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all

> > with

> > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of

> > India

> > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages

gave us

> > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope

using

> > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka

giving

> > the

> > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

> > classic

> > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to

> > accept

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

> > Raman,

> > > > it

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the

shloka

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri

B.V.

> > > > Raman

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

> > results,

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> > disagree

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> > contrary to

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I

> > find

> > > > that

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura

nor

> > that

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in

lagna and

> > > > mars

> > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd

house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in

> > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th

house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted

> > Saturn

> > > > (9H)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi,

while

> > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to

Saturn's

> > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong

Saturn

> > gives

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying

is

> > > > because i

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying

is,

> > that

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura)

and

> > the

> > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when

weak

> > and

> > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I

was 9

> > years

> > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

> > notice

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> > difference

> > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that

Rahu is

> > > > giving

> > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally

good,

> > then

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart

because

> > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak,

> > give

> > > > bad

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

> > planets,

> > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak,

he

> > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> > combust

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

> > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

according

> > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> > shadbala

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request

you to

> > > > read the

> > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he

died,

> > the

> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

persons in

> > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > Parashurama

> > > > would

> > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to

learn

> > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

Duryodhana.

> > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But

it's to

> > be

> > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house

from

> > 8th

> > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

> > zodiac,

> > > > the

> > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

represents

> > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the

lord

> > of

> > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds.

So, the

> > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> > resides in

> > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So

he

> > has

> > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> > referred to

> > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

antaraatma

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

> > results

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your

father

> > had

> > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

> > time.

> > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young

age of

> > 9

> > > > or so

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you

> > did not

> > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about

Rahu

> > and

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

conjunction, as

> > you

> > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > yoga

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its

dasha

> > > > instead

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not

because I

> > > > say so

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> > conjunct a

> > > > papa

> > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of

Artha

> > > > trikona

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money.

Though

> > > > claimed

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana

(8th)

> > and

> > > > its

> > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is

more

> > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If

it

> > is

> > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would

Sun

> > be at

> > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

> > represent

> > > > water

> > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent

> > too. My

> > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were

great

> > > > and i

> > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> > > > writing,

> > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> > student, I

> > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this,

if

> > Sun

> > > > were

> > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results,

but

> > being

> > > > in

> > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu

is

> > also

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is

malefic

> > and

> > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent

> > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a

place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all

water

> > > > bodies,

> > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 19, 2006

Dear Prabodh,

Look at it whichever way you want to yet it is still bragging as you are

telling this to those with less power than you.

No controversy here. It is the spiritual meaning that is concerned.

No secret Parampara here. Knowledge can not be secret, as my father used

to say, as it is Jyoti and Jyoti is never secret. Lord Krishna is indeed

my Ideal Purusha that should be followed in Kaliyuga. Not that he should

not have been followed in any other yuga, only that in Kaliyuga one face

most of the challenges, and dilemmas, that the Lord faced and his life

and preaching tells us how to deal with them. Or at least I think so,

with my limited intelligence.

Read what the lord says that he is the Pranav (Omkar) and he tells at

the time of Vishwarupa darshan that Arjuna can not see him with his

human eyes (eyesight), which can see only his form as Krisha, and

imparts the special sight to Arjuna. It is obvious that if Lord Krishna

of the Vrishni vamsha was the one stating about his mature, Arjuna was

anyway capable of looking at him with human sight. Lord Krishna was one

of the incarnation of the unborn and endless one. Arjuna also talks of

what he is looking at as being the Parama Akshar/ Para Brahman. On

being asked by Arjuna as to what he is looking at the Lord says that He

is in the Maha Kala form, at that point of time, who is intent on

annihilation of (large) number of people. I am assure you will see that

this is very clearly stated in the Bhagvadgita and one has only to look

for it.

Your contention about Vedic concept of King is not in dispute here. At

the same time it may not be correct to infer that the Sages meant King

as in Vedic times when they gave Kingship to Surya. If my memory serves

me right, the venerated Parashara says the Yudhishthira has a certain

yoga at the point of time of telling the Parashari to Maitreya,

indicating he lived in the times of Dhritarashtra and Duryodhana when

not many Kings covered themselves in the Vedic meaning of the terms. So

the contention that Sages meant the Vedic concept of King may not be

right. It may also be well to remember that even the King of Devas did

not exactly fit in with the Vedic concept of Kings that you indicate.

Let us not forget that.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

>

> Yes I do agree there seems to be some confusion. Millionaire telling

> from roof tops is not correct analogy. It should be Millionaire

> telling about his/her success in a matter-of-fact way. In this way no

> unnecessary sentiments gets attached with his/her expression.

>

> > About Krishna and Gita one must understand that unlike what is

> assumed

> > by many, one who reveals the knowledge to Arjuna is not Krishna of

> yadu

> > vamsha but the Par Brahman.

>

> Now this is something new to me! Is it from your secret parampara or

> out of affection and love towards Kirshna!

>

> WHy to unnecessaryly create another controversy? What purpose does it

> solve? Moreover, how does it matter? If Parabrahma claims then it is

> not ego and if yadu vansha krishna claims then it is ego, do you want

> to imply this?

>

> I again humbly request you to consider following things:

> 1) In the Vedic Context King does not have absolute power and he is

> not considered as of divine inheritance and should take pride in

> welfare of his subjects.

> 2) In the western concept of King,the King enjoys the supreme power

> and divine inheritance and was considered as representative of God.

> 3) In the Vedic times as well we may find a king who might had acted

> not in accordance with the scriptures and there may be equal number

> of kings who followed scriptures.

> 4) The understanding of the word King by Vedic Rishi should be based

> on Vedic context of concept of King.

> 5) Since in the Vedic Contxt King did not have absolute power, it is

> not proper to say that the concept/term King in Vedic context means

> Ego. So in a Vedic way the Sun will not indicate Ego.

> 6) On the other hand, the concept of Ego and King can be equated when

> interpretated in Western context. So the Sun will indicate Ego.

>

> If we agree on this we can then work on Mada,Rahu, and Ego in this

> context.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prabodh,

> >

> > I think there is some confusion here. Do you mean that one who is a

> > millionaire telling that from roof tops to poor people is speaking

> the

> > truth or an example of ego at its worst? If you think this is only

> > speaking the truth, then we look at what is ego from different

> perspectives.

> >

> > About Krishna and Gita one must understand that unlike what is

> assumed

> > by many, one who reveals the knowledge to Arjuna is not Krishna of

> yadu

> > vamsha but the Par Brahman. That is why he refers to himself as

> Krishna

> > amongst Vrishni Vanshias. He does not go on announcing his

> greatness at

> > the beginning. He, first, reveals very deep knowledge to Arjuna.

> You

> > then observe Arjuna questioning Krishna and cross questioning him,

> > unlike what we are, perhaps, supposed to do with the pronouncements

> of

> > Lord Rama and King Ashwapati. You then see Lord Krishna telling

> Arjuna

> > about the importance of knowledge (of the lord within) and that

> this way

> > he can get emancipation. The we see the Lord explaining what is the

> > essence of his being in impersonal terms. He talks about the Param

> > Purusha indicating what he is referring to earlier and later at

> shloka

> > 10 Adhyaaya 8. Arjuna again requests Lord Krishna about his

> different

> > rupas in shloka 18 Adhyaaya 10, saying he is desirous of hearing

> more

> > about the Lord's different rupas. after And he is saying what he

> says in

> > response to a query from Arjuna about knowing him in his entirety

> only

> > for imparting knowledge to Arjuna. If you read Gita in depth, you

> will

> > find him equating himself with gambling also. That is not egoistic

> or

> > what can be called bragging in modern terms.

> >

> > I think it is better if we differentiate between what are the Vedic

> Laws

> > and what are perceived to be Vedic laws. That is why I quoted from

> > Manusmriti.

> >

> > We can not selectively take examples of Kings from Vedic times and

> claim

> > them to be divine and without blemish and thus Vedas telling that

> King

> > can not have ego. We have to take all the Kings of that era, if we

> want

> > to convince others that in Vedic times the word King meant one who

> is

> > pious and none of his actions can be termed as on account of ego.

> >

> > BY the way in both the speeches the Kings are not talking about

> taking

> > care of welfare of their subjects but how they have kept the

> Kingdom

> > either free of crimes or how they will give everything for the sake

> of

> > the Subjects.

> >

> > I know this may appear like hairsplitting, but you talk of Vedic

> > injunction being the King taking care of welfare of his subjects

> and

> > therefore King means pious or non egoist or whatever way you want

> to put

> > it. And the speeches do not reflect that intent.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> > >

> > > > If a King proclaiming his virtues himself is not ego then pray

> what

> > > is?

> > > > It is an accepted practice that one does not broadcast one's

> virtue

> > > > oneself.

> > >

> > > King proclaiming his virtues himself can not be an example of Ego

> > > specially it the king is speaking truth. At most it can be

> treated as

> > > expression of Pride but certainly not Ego. In this way even

> Krishna

> > > will be clubed as Egoist as he has proclaim so many things about

> > > himself in Geeta.

> > >

> > > > I am sure you recognize names of many Vedic Kings there. Do you

> > > think

> > > > Parashara was unaware of this and so he must have meant what

> you

> > > imply?

> > > >

> > >

> > > I do but the point is not that. As I said earlier that scriptures

> say

> > > that King should take Pride in welfare of his subjects and should

> not

> > > considered as absolute power. Some kings at vedic times have acted

> > > otherwise but that is not the point. Moreover there is no point in

> > > making conjuctures as what parashara thought and whether he was

> aware

> > > of the Kings not following scriptures,before writting Jyotish

> > > Grantha. In my humble opinion we can only comment on meanings of

> > > Vedic terms like 'King' in vedic context. My example of rama was

> to

> > > highlight the fact that there were kings who were ready to do

> > > anything for the welfare of their subjects. King's dharma was that

> > > only and Rama followed it.

> > >

> > > WIll write about Rahu again once this is resoived!

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > >

> > > > I can understand why you find it difficult to see ego in the

> > > speeches

> > > > that you quoted. That precisely is why I said that it is

> better not

> > > to

> > > > bring personalities in discussions on astrology, especially

> those

> > > whom

> > > > one may revere. It is not easy to be dispassionate about their

> > > actions

> > > > or speech.

> > > >

> > > > If a King proclaiming his virtues himself is not ego then pray

> what

> > > is?

> > > > It is an accepted practice that one does not broadcast one's

> virtue

> > > > oneself. I think you will understand the source of the

> following.

> > > > @tavan! @v pué;ae yt! £ jaya£ATma àja£#it h, ivàa> àa÷s! twa

> c£@tdoe

> > > yae

> > > > -taR sa Sm&t£A¼na. 9£45

> > > > 9.45. He only is a perfect man who consists (of three persons

> > > united),

> > > > his wife, himself, and his offspring; thus (says the Veda), and

> > > > (learned) Brahmanas propound this (maxim) likewise, 'The

> husband is

> > > > declared to be one with the wife.'

> > > >

> > > > And though as you have quoted Lord Rama saying " I will not

> mind

> > > any

> > > > affliction in abandoning my wife for the good of my subjects".

> and

> > > > called it Vedic Dharma. Let me quote Manusmriti on when a King

> > > should

> > > > give up his wife.

> > > > "Aapdw¡ xn< r]edoe daran! r]edoe xnEroe Aip, AaTman< stt< r]edoe

> darEroe

> > > Aip

> > > > xnEroe Aip." 7£213

> > > > 7.213.

> > > > For times of need let him preserve his wealth; at the expense

> of

> > > his

> > > > wealth let him preserve his wife; let him at all events

> preserve

> > > himself

> > > > even by (giving up) his wife and his wealth.

> > > >

> > > > So do you think that what was said was more of a boast or

> otherwise?

> > > >

> > > > About the conduct of Kings Manusmriti says:

> > > > sMmanadoe äaü[ae inTym! %iÖjet iv;adoe #v, Am&tSy£#v c£Aka'oe]edoe

> > > AvmanSy

> > > > svRda. 2£162

> > > >

> > > > venae ivnòae Aivnyat! £ n÷;z! c£@v paiwRv>, suda> pEjvnz! c£@v

> > > sumuoae

> > > > inimroe @v c. 7£41

> > > > 7.41.

> > > > Through a want of humility Vena perished, likewise king

> Nahusha,

> > > Sudas,

> > > > the son of Pigavana, Sumukha, and Nemi.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you recognize names of many Vedic Kings there. Do you

> > > think

> > > > Parashara was unaware of this and so he must have meant what

> you

> > > imply?

> > > >

> > > > Think again. It is easy to swear by one sage and think his

> words

> > > meant

> > > > what we want them to mean and it may be entirely different

> what he

> > > in

> > > > fact meant to convey.

> > > >

> > > > Endless debate on what is Mada is possible but Koshas, Higher

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > Grammar by M.R. Bhat and other sources do indicate that Mada is

> > > > primarily intoxication state, the reasons being variable. I

> think

> > > it is

> > > > well to remember that rahu delivers results based on the graha

> > > conjunct

> > > > or the lord of the Bhava occupied or 7th from itself and even

> those

> > > of

> > > > planets aspecting it ( by extension). No wonder that rahu

> occupying

> > > > house of Mars in 5th can cause problems in begetting progeny.

> > > >

> > > > If as you think Rahu who is Mada and that it means Pride then

> why

> > > Rahu

> > > > in 5th should create problems in the house of progeny. It

> should

> > > give

> > > > more progeny and with ease as the indications will be that of

> the

> > > jataka

> > > > having pride on account of multiple progeny. Though for the

> life of

> > > me I

> > > > do not understand why the combination given by you indicates

> that

> > > rahu

> > > > is Pride. And that, that is the reason for the person not

> having

> > > Progeny

> > > > or having difficulty in getting progeny.

> > > >

> > > > I do not find again, that Parashara is referring to Rahu only

> being

> > > in

> > > > the 5th or as you say Rahu alone in the example given by you.

> He

> > > on the

> > > > other hand does say that rahu has to be in a) 5th house and B)

> in

> > > the

> > > > rasi of Mars or aspected by Mars, for problems in begetting

> > > progeny. Or

> > > > have I not been able to understand what you are diriving at

> when

> > > you say

> > > > Parashara giving independent indications of rahu in the example

> > > given?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar Ji namste

> > > > >

> > > > > >Most of the

> > > > > > speeches that you quote, if read with due detachment and

> > > ignoring

> > > > > the

> > > > > > personalities making them, would sound most egoist

> speeches to

> > > all

> > > > > and

> > > > > > sundry. I know saying this would raise

> > > > > > tempers on the list but truth must prevail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly. Truth must prevail. Why a passionate speech by a

> vedic

> > > king

> > > > > should be treated as expression of Ego? If this is ego then

> every

> > > > > thing by a king towards his subjects will be ego.

> > > > > Ofcourse, I am nobody to object your views about that but it

> > > would be

> > > > > interesting to find out what excatly you considered as

> egoist in

> > > > > those speeches.

> > > > >

> > > > > > But one can go on arguing on this aspect to no end and

> > > bringing in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > ideal king as an example of King and conjecturing the

> Parashara

> > > > > meant

> > > > > > that King, while good for argument's sake may not be the

> right

> > > way

> > > > > to

> > > > > > look at astrological principles.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wanted to say that in a Vedic context, King means who takes

> > > pride

> > > > > in the welfare of the subjects and will not have absolute

> power

> > > like

> > > > > in western philosophy. Such vedic king may be ideal or may

> not be

> > > > > ideal but what vedic scriptures say must be kept in mind. If

> we

> > > > > believe that Parashara is vedic Jyotish Pravartak then there

> is no

> > > > > question about what he had in mind when he said about Surya

> being

> > > > > King. Terms which are Vedic should be treated on the Vedic

> > > context.

> > > > > It does not matter as to how many kings were cruel towards

> > > subjects

> > > > > in Vedic times what matters is that how scriptures describe

> the

> > > > > king.What are his duties and what should be his authority

> and how

> > > he

> > > > > should excercise it? That is why it essential to get in to

> what

> > > Vedas

> > > > > and Manu says about king's duties. If you feel that I am

> > > > > unnecessarily getting this point, I respectfully request you

> to

> > > > > please think on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Do you think Mada does not mean intoxication or state of

> > > > > intoxication in

> > > > > > Sanskrit?

> > > > >

> > > > > Mada does mean Intoxication but point is that it as well

> means

> > > Pride!

> > > > > Why to forget this? If Kalyan Verma says that Rahu is

> associated

> > > with

> > > > > Mada then all meanings of Mada will be associated with Rahu.

> That

> > > > > will include being intoxicated and as well being into state

> of

> > > Pride.

> > > > > Since rahu as well is understood as 'limitless' so naturally

> pride

> > > > > will be limitless and hence will be Ego.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no doubt that Rahu gives the results like Shani or

> the

> > > lord

> > > > > of the house occupied by him but this possibly we apply more,

> > > when we

> > > > > are into timing of events. Otherwise why Parashara has said

> few

> > > > > things only related to Rahu? Like he says that 5th house

> Rahu when

> > > > > aspected by Mars or in the houses of Mars then the native

> will

> > > have

> > > > > problems in the progeny. He could have simply said in one

> line

> > > that

> > > > > Rahu should be Always treated as lord of the house occupied

> by

> > > him or

> > > > > like Shani and that would have ended the references of Rahu.

> But

> > > > > parashara clearly gives the independent references of Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are not wrong when you say that "So in a Vedic Jyotish

> way

> > > the

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > in strength will have PRIDE in being ideal king' for his

> > > subjects

> > > > > (other

> > > > > > Grahas)." But if the King is doing what is only his duty as

> > > per the

> > > > > > Vedic Dharma, then pride in such context will be Ego. Most

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > speeches that you quote, if read with due detachment and

> > > ignoring

> > > > > the

> > > > > > personalities making them, would sound most egoist

> speeches to

> > > all

> > > > > and

> > > > > > sundry. I know saying this would raise

> > > > > > tempers on the list but truth must prevail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But one can go on arguing on this aspect to no end and

> > > bringing in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > ideal king as an example of King and conjecturing the

> Parashara

> > > > > meant

> > > > > > that King, while good for argument's sake may not be the

> right

> > > way

> > > > > to

> > > > > > look at astrological principles. The first pitfall would be

> > > that

> > > > > though

> > > > > > it is fashionable these days to say that all Kings of Vedic

> > > times

> > > > > acted

> > > > > > as they should the fact remains that Puranas and Vedas are

> > > replete

> > > > > with

> > > > > > stories of Kings who were very cruel t their subjects and

> > > harassed

> > > > > those

> > > > > > performing vedic Rituals. When this is pointed out tempers

> > > flare

> > > > > which

> > > > > > is a sure beginning of a rational discussion on the

> principles

> > > of

> > > > > > astrology going awry.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is why it is better to steer clear of the scriptures

> when

> > > > > > discussing astrology, specially on a public list, as the

> > > scriptures

> > > > > are

> > > > > > subject to different interpretations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you think Mada does not mean intoxication or state of

> > > > > intoxication in

> > > > > > Sanskrit? I am sure that Unmaada is one of the five arrows

> of

> > > > > Madana.

> > > > > > And that is Mada represented by Rahu. That is what flows

> > > through

> > > > > the

> > > > > > temporal glands of a bull elephant and then the bull

> elephant

> > > > > becomes

> > > > > > uncontrollable like being intoxicated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again if you happen to refer to kosha you will find

> synonyms

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > five types of pride to be Garva, Abhimaana, Ahankara, Maana

> > > etc.

> > > > > While

> > > > > > in English language Pride has certain connotation, to find

> > > exact

> > > > > > synonyms to Sanskrit words is always difficult.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Letting apart these discussions which will more often

> mislead

> > > than

> > > > > solve

> > > > > > anything, let us at least agree that the sage does say that

> > > Rahu

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Ketu behave as the lords of the house occupied by them or

> the

> > > lord

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > house that they conjoin.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If we are agreed on this then think why should Rahu, or

> Ketu

> > > for

> > > > > that

> > > > > > matter, who can not deliver own results but has to depend

> on

> > > other

> > > > > > planets to express itself would, by itself and devoid of

> other

> > > > > graha

> > > > > > combination; be endowed with the quality of Ego by the

> writer.

> > > More

> > > > > so

> > > > > > why when Rahu when alone is said to give results of Shani

> > > (Manda

> > > > > Sama

> > > > > > Rahu..) as Shani is certainly not connected with ego by any

> > > stretch

> > > > > of

> > > > > > imagination.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It was indeed a great plesure to read your mails

> regarding

> > > > > > > interpretations of the astrological text and more

> specially

> > > how

> > > > > > > Sanskrit language words can mislead at times. Now I have

> some

> > > > > doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think Pride means Self-respect and Ego means Inflated

> or

> > > False

> > > > > > > Pride. Parashara has attributed the Sun to being Raja or

> > > King. In

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > vedic philosophy we see that Raja was suppose to take

> care

> > > of the

> > > > > > > welfare of his subjects. In the Chandogya Upanishad the

> king

> > > > > > > Ashvapati describes his kingdom and his subjects as: "In

> my

> > > > > kingdom

> > > > > > > there is no thief,no coward,nor amiser,no drunked,nor is

> > > there one

> > > > > > > who has not taken the vow of worship of the'Fire', no

> idots,

> > > nor

> > > > > men

> > > > > > > of loose character.Where could therefore be here women

> > > without

> > > > > > > morals?"(Chandogya 5-11). We as well see similar

> references

> > > in

> > > > > > > Ramayana regarding RamaRajya. Rama says: I will forsake

> > > > > everything,

> > > > > > > affection,compassion,happiness,even my beloved wife

> Janaki,

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > sake of the welfare of my subjects. I will not mind any

> > > > > affliction in

> > > > > > > abondoning my wife for the good of my subjects". We find

> > > many such

> > > > > > > references in RigVeda and Atherva veda as well. The great

> > > epic of

> > > > > > > VedaVyasa as well gives similar attributes to King.Such

> was

> > > the

> > > > > > > concept of the ideal of the institution of kingship,

> which

> > > every

> > > > > > > Vedic king took PRIDE in realising.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the pasasge of Time there came the western

> counterpart for

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > Kings. In the west the mediaeval thinkers invested divine

> > > > > inheritance

> > > > > > > on the king who was considered to be the representative

> of

> > > God.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > king having received his authority to rule by divine

> right

> > > was not

> > > > > > > answerable to the people and therefore was an absolute in

> > > his own

> > > > > > > right.The people had no right to rebel against the king

> or

> > > demand

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > dethronement. The predominant thought behind that concept

> > > was to

> > > > > > > bestow sovereign and absolute powers on the king. This

> > > naturally

> > > > > made

> > > > > > > Kings to have 'inflated pride' or EGO. This western

> mediaeval

> > > > > concept

> > > > > > > of king had great influence in Mediaeval indian kings as

> > > well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Bharat, however, political thinkers never advocated or

> > > offered

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > abolute power and authority to the king. Kingship was

> always

> > > > > regared

> > > > > > > as subservient to the will and dependent upon the

> sanction

> > > of the

> > > > > > > people and was alwyas answerable to them. So there was no

> > > concept

> > > > > > > of 'Inflated or False Pride' in the Vedic King. The king

> > > being

> > > > > fully

> > > > > > > aware that all his authority and power were derived from

> his

> > > > > > > subjects would try to look to their welfare.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So in a Vedic Jyotish way the Sun in strength will have

> > > PRIDE in

> > > > > > > being ideal 'king' for his subjects(other Grahas). Same,

> if

> > > seen

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Western way can mean the Sun will have EGO.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moreover, we see that Western(foreign) cocept of Absolute

> > > power

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the King is exactly opposite that of Vedic concept of

> King.

> > > So in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > vedic way of thinking what is wrong in attributting Rahu

> to

> > > > > foreign

> > > > > > > concept of inflated & false Pride or EGO.?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Finally, Mada does mean Pride in sanskrit. When

> attributed to

> > > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > will naturally have the element of falsehood/deceit

> > > associated

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > pride and hence may lead to EGO. Am I wrong?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pride is different from ego. Like it or not Mada does

> mean

> > > > > > > intoxication

> > > > > > > > or lust. The Kama that is referred to relates to

> kaamana

> > > which

> > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > desires for things possessed by others. That is what

> > > Asteya,

> > > > > one of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Yamas of Hatha yogas refer to.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We are talking about auspiciousness or other wise of

> the

> > > > > dormant or

> > > > > > > > awakened Kundalini. As I said all scriptures can be

> > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > one wants to do that. But that does not serve any

> purpose.

> > > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > go into what exactly is meant by Vidya and Avidya

> related

> > > to

> > > > > Maa. I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not yet seen any Pramana, in the form of a shloka, to

> > > support

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > proposition that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious and

> the

> > > > > awakened

> > > > > > > > Kundalini is auspicious so far. I have already posted

> the

> > > way

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > generation has been taught to accept an argument, so I

> > > shall

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > repeat

> > > > > > > > it here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But I will not resort to conjectures and would like to

> > > quote

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Rudrayamala tantra about the swarUpa of dormant

> Kundalini.

> > > > > Being

> > > > > > > > graduate in sanskrit, I am sure I will not have to

> > > translate

> > > > > it for

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure you must have some quote to support your

> > > contention.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > like to see the shloka, as against conjectures, so

> that I

> > > can

> > > > > > > improve

> > > > > > > > upon my knowledge of the swarupaa of Kundalini.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I can understand your reluctance to support your

> > > propositions

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > suitable pramanas. I am sorry if I have hurt you by

> > > pointing

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > inconsistency in the way you treated Surya and Rahu

> > > > > combinations in

> > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > different chart as stand out combinations only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had no intention to cause any hurt to you and if I

> have

> > > done

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > inadvertently I crave your pardon.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha

> > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and maatsarya

> > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply among

> the

> > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> intoxicated/drunk

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya swaroopini" and

> > > correct

> > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding of both

> > > > > facets. As

> > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be routed

> > > > > towards good

> > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the same?

> The

> > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good use, is

> > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati, wisdom

> and

> > > > > power, is

> > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > > correct/judicious end

> > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of Shakti is

> very

> > > very

> > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and krura.

> I

> > > also

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give malefic

> > > > > results, if

> > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You can

> refer

> > > to

> > > > > all my

> > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than winning or

> losing

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> exploration

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the case, I

> see no

> > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early age are

> > > operating

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did not die

> > > young. So

> > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read Swamiji's

> > > > > biography you

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> apparent

> > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

> confirms

> > > with

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did not

> know I

> > > was

> > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if there is a

> Kuja

> > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please do not

> bring

> > > our

> > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into astrological

> > > > > analysis of

> > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions are on

> the

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where. The two

> > > have to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an event

> but

> > > only

> > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you have

> > > perhaps

> > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha in that

> > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you read my

> > > mail, I

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him, only

> that it

> > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma and

> always

> > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the topic,

> did

> > > its

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> Vivekananda's

> > > chart

> > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing a

> powerful

> > > Raj

> > > > > > > yoga. At

> > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji lived,

> you

> > > may

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as Mahakrura.

> > > Think

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also, before

> declaring

> > > > > that it

> > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an icchamrityu and

> > > looking

> > > > > at the

> > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe that he

> passed

> > > > > away in

> > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-10

> > > (3:59:13 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-08-27

> > > (4:48:54

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-12

> > > (10:43:55

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-07

> > > (5:06:28 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-06

> > > (2:29:24

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> (1:27:03

> > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus is the

> 2nd

> > > lord

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is in the

> > > house of

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is the 2nd

> lord

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> significations

> > > are

> > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK aspecting 7th

> house,

> > > > > can give

> > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore the

> > > influence of

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th house?

> I am

> > > > > sure even

> > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--))but

> > > without

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he created

> > > > > wherever he

> > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to the 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in the 7th

> > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think the

> strong

> > > > > Mars in

> > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You have not

> > > > > commented on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the bhava that

> the

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already stated in

> > > previous

> > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to great

> people,

> > > > > and then

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise of what

> I

> > > said.

> > > > > Did

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a malignant

> sarcoma

> > > of

> > > > > left

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in his

> chart, in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to examine the

> > > > > following dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the 3rd lord

> from

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > (AK) &

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's chart, rahu

> is

> > > with

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's effects...all of

> which

> > > > > point to

> > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th house and

> ketu

> > > can

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's effect, if at

> > > all,

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-03

> > > (2:05:32 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-21

> > > (8:49:14 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-18

> > > (12:04:47

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-20

> > > (12:18:02

> > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > (11:08:26

> > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> (12:47:04

> > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that the

> dasa of

> > > the

> > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I think their

> > > mind

> > > > > willed

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa totally

> > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the above

> > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues in my

> next

> > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars strong as a

> > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even when in

> > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> smritam

> > > has

> > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > > Mars/Venus in

> > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated. Please go

> > > through my

> > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background and that

> he

> > > was

> > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its soft

> > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics giving

> P.M.

> > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> attributed

> > > to

> > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine they

> would

> > > > > all give

> > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all with

> > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of India

> > > (barring

> > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages gave us

> > > principles

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope using

> Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka giving the

> > > > > reference to

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old classic

> > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to accept

> > > anything

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr. Raman,

> it

> > > > > would be

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the shloka I

> > > would of

> > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri B.V.

> Raman

> > > that

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

> results,

> > > while

> > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also disagree

> about

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it contrary

> to

> > > what

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I find

> that

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura nor that

> > > their

> > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in lagna and

> mars

> > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted Saturn

> (9H)

> > > and

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi, while

> > > > > debilitated in

> > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to Saturn's

> > > placement

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong Saturn gives

> > > good

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying is

> because

> > > i

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying is, that

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura) and the

> > > shubha

> > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when weak and

> > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I was 9

> years

> > > old,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

> notice the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the difference

> > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that Rahu is

> giving

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally good, then

> it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart because

> > > according

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak, give

> bad

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong planets,

> > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak, he

> > > wouldn't be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly combust

> and

> > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because according

> to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher shadbala

> is

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request you to

> read

> > > the

> > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he died, the

> > > nature

> > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest persons in

> > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because Parashurama

> would

> > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to learn

> > > > > dhanurvidya from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support Duryodhana.

> Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But it's to be

> > > borne

> > > > > in mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> Duryodhana,

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house from 8th

> > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural zodiac,

> the

> > > 10

> > > > > th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign, represents

> > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the lord of

> > > death,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds. So, the

> Rudras

> > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun resides in

> > > south

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So he has

> > > digbala

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I referred to

> > > Surya

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as antaraatma and

> not

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the results

> of

> > > the

> > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your father had

> > > > > promotions and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that time.

> It

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young age of 9

> or

> > > so as

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you did

> not

> > > have

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about Rahu and

> Rahu

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by conjunction, as you

> > > > > guessed but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a Dharmakarmaadhipati

> yoga

> > > after

> > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its dasha

> > > instead of

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not because I

> say

> > > so but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when conjunct a

> papa

> > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of Artha

> > > trikona and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money. Though

> claimed

> > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana (8th) and

> its

> > > > > home that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is more

> > > popularly

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If it is

> > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would Sun be

> at

> > > its

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not represent

> > > water

> > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent too. My

> > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were great

> and i

> > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> writing,

> > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a student,

> I

> > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this, if Sun

> were

> > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results, but

> being in

> > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu is also

> > > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is malefic and

> > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all water

> bodies,

> > > so

> > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 19, 2006

Dear Divine Lakshmi,

I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to read the

entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation combinations

that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the meaning of

Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality, jyotisha and

tantra.

I can see your view point but would also like to draw your attention to

the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

"cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit of Pure

copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the Gods.

I am sure this will make you think again the interpretation of the

earlier shlokas in a different light.

As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the quotation in

> Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to a new OS,

> so my ITrans got wiped out.

>

> I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just being lazy.

> I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this regard.

>

> Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka) must hit the

> dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha, repeatedly, until it

> turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe kundalini at

> Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma randhra and

> unites with shiva thereat, so that it can cause "shubham" and Amrita

> varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

>

> I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

>

> Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with new

> understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> >

> > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The text

> being in

> > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through. It was

> indeed

> > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some other

> verses

> > not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey of

> Kundalini

> > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more comfortable

> with

> > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is done

> > differently in north and south.

> > There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs. But as

> I said

> > I can not escape blame on that account.

> >

> > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference, mention

> that

> > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made out by

> you? That

> > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> >

> > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the natural

> > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean that she

> is

> > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit properly. There

> > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini being

> activated

> > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited knowledge

> goes,

> > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly see

> phrase

> > > in the quotation.

> > >

> > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara tantra,

> expanded

> > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha vyaakhya on the

> > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > >

> > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in giving

> it.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where is the

> > > reference

> > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I know

> as to

> > > why

> > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at Muladhara is

> > > excluded? I

> > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> Swadhishthana.

> > > Would

> > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could try to

> > > locate the

> > > > complete verse myself?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya utpannaa

> > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte payovratam

> > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam anyadapi

> > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva chandramandalam

> > > dravateethi

> > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that

> Kundalini

> > > has

> > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures (utpatti

> > > avastha)

> > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham, through

> the

> > > medium

> > > > > of agni.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from

> scriptures

> > > > > that you

> > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious.

> That

> > > will

> > > > > help

> > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja and other

> > > Kootas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given according to

> > > kootas,

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not? Let's get

> this

> > > > > straight

> > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest. Please

> do

> > > not

> > > > > worry

> > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you, and can

> > > provide

> > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean the

> portion

> > > upto

> > > > > neck

> > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the

> same

> > > > > place,

> > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

> arguments

> > > are

> > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support of

> your

> > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the

> shloka I

> > > > > sent

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the

> head

> > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any

> other

> > > koota

> > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do you

> > > imply

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

> astrology

> > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a simple

> > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me, unless

> > > you are

> > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or want

> to

> > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

> intended

> > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt kundalini

> at

> > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a

> python

> > > at

> > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser than at

> > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not agni

> > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha" happens

> only

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and is

> > > ignited

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but a

> > > group of

> > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating

> the

> > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija

> protect

> > > the

> > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And her

> > > > > principal

> > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara. However

> if

> > > you

> > > > > want

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant you

> are

> > > > > free to

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm

> beeja

> > > is

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you

> need the

> > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that Kundalini

> > > means

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

> certainly

> > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé devatä

> > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in Rudrayamala

> > > Tantra.

> > > > > Do

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is described

> as

> > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read the

> > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

> vagbhava

> > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

> kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH" and

> > > talks of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with Shiva....mahe

> > > utsave

> > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH tatparataa

> > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

> taneeyasee"

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

> kundalini,

> > > > > let me

> > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up(

> the

> > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

> > > Kundalini.

> > > > > It's

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

> (anger),

> > > lobha

> > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and

> maatsarya

> > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama" imply

> > > among

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

> swaroopini"

> > > and

> > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes understanding

> of

> > > both

> > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which can be

> > > routed

> > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends the

> > > same?

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good

> use,

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and Parvati,

> > > wisdom

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures the

> > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

> Shakti is

> > > very

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik and

> > > krura. I

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can give

> > > malefic

> > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so. You

> can

> > > > > refer

> > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

> winning or

> > > > > losing

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as an

> > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the

> case, I

> > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early

> age are

> > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did

> not die

> > > > > young.

> > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times despite of

> > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's chart

> > > confirms

> > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I did

> not

> > > know

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if

> there

> > > is a

> > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please

> do not

> > > > > bring

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> > > astrological

> > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the discussions

> are

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no where.

> The

> > > two

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time an

> > > event but

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart you

> have

> > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu deha

> in

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you

> read

> > > my

> > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him,

> only

> > > that

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma

> and

> > > always

> > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on the

> > > topic,

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and causing

> a

> > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji

> lived,

> > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also,

> before

> > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> icchamrityu

> > > and

> > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe

> that he

> > > > > passed

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-02-

> 10

> > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) - 1903-

> 08-27

> > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-09-

> 12

> > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-07-

> 07

> > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-

> 07-06

> > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-05

> > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon, Venus

> is

> > > the

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu is

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn is

> the

> > > 2nd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > > > significations

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his early

> > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all

> this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

> aspecting 7th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you ignore

> the

> > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the 10th

> > > house? I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja yoga:--

> ))

> > > but

> > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact he

> > > created

> > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to

> the

> > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars in

> the

> > > 7th

> > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I think

> the

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You

> have

> > > not

> > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the

> bhava

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already

> stated

> > > in

> > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to

> great

> > > > > people,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or otherwise

> of

> > > what I

> > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

> malignant

> > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in

> his

> > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

> examine

> > > the

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the

> 3rd

> > > lord

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's

> chart,

> > > rahu

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> effects...all of

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th

> house and

> > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

> effect,

> > > if at

> > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-02-

> 03

> > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-02-

> 21

> > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-05-

> 18

> > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-04-

> 20

> > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-

> 04-14

> > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-04-14

> > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact that

> the

> > > dasa

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I

> think

> > > their

> > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

> totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider the

> > > above

> > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other charts/issues

> in

> > > my

> > > > > next

> > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

> strong as

> > > a

> > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility even

> > > when in

> > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam shane

> > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not considered

> > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

> Please go

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and

> Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background

> and

> > > that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for its

> soft

> > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics

> giving

> > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M. Yoga

> > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to imagine

> > > they

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or all

> > > with

> > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts of

> > > India

> > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages

> gave us

> > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope

> using

> > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka

> giving

> > > the

> > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an old

> > > classic

> > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem to

> > > accept

> > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by Dr.

> > > Raman,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the

> shloka

> > > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with Shri

> B.V.

> > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give good

> > > results,

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> > > disagree

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> > > contrary to

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples, where I

> > > find

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura

> nor

> > > that

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in

> lagna and

> > > > > mars

> > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd

> house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars in

> > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th

> house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Exalted

> > > Saturn

> > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi,

> while

> > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to

> Saturn's

> > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong

> Saturn

> > > gives

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the saying

> is

> > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the saying

> is,

> > > that

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-krura)

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when

> weak

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

> smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I

> was 9

> > > years

> > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you didn't

> > > notice

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> > > difference

> > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that

> Rahu is

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally

> good,

> > > then

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart

> because

> > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when weak,

> > > give

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while strong

> > > planets,

> > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were weak,

> he

> > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> > > combust

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major results of

> > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

> according

> > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> > > shadbala

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request

> you to

> > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he

> died,

> > > the

> > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

> persons in

> > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > > Parashurama

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to

> learn

> > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> Duryodhana.

> > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But

> it's to

> > > be

> > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to please

> > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

> personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house

> from

> > > 8th

> > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the natural

> > > zodiac,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

> represents

> > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama, the

> lord

> > > of

> > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds.

> So, the

> > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> > > resides in

> > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here. So

> he

> > > has

> > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> > > referred to

> > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

> antaraatma

> > > and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for the

> > > results

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your

> father

> > > had

> > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during that

> > > time.

> > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young

> age of

> > > 9

> > > > > or so

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved you

> > > did not

> > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about

> Rahu

> > > and

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> conjunction, as

> > > you

> > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > yoga

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its

> dasha

> > > > > instead

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not

> because I

> > > > > say so

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> > > conjunct a

> > > > > papa

> > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of

> Artha

> > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money.

> Though

> > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana

> (8th)

> > > and

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th is

> more

> > > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana. If

> it

> > > is

> > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why would

> Sun

> > > be at

> > > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

> > > represent

> > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was excellent

> > > too. My

> > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days were

> great

> > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in creative

> > > > > writing,

> > > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> > > student, I

> > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify this,

> if

> > > Sun

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results,

> but

> > > being

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think Rahu

> is

> > > also

> > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is

> malefic

> > > and

> > > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also represent

> > > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a

> place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all

> water

> > > > > bodies,

> > > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the

> > > best

> > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > protection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 20, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

Sir, may i request you to read Lalithopakhyanam? One can understand

from where the "chidagni" originated....infact, the entire

concept/context of "chidagni kunda sambhuta".

I wanted to know your understanding

of "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana". If you can give it, i'd welcome

it, otherwise, please leave it.

Thanks for making me think so much of Mother.

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

>

> I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to read

the

> entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation

combinations

> that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the meaning

of

> Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality,

jyotisha and

> tantra.

>

> I can see your view point but would also like to draw your

attention to

> the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

> "cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

> The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit of Pure

> copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the Gods.

>

> I am sure this will make you think again the interpretation of the

> earlier shlokas in a different light.

>

> As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the quotation in

> > Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to a new

OS,

> > so my ITrans got wiped out.

> >

> > I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just being

lazy.

> > I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this regard.

> >

> > Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka) must hit

the

> > dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha, repeatedly,

until it

> > turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe kundalini at

> > Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma randhra and

> > unites with shiva thereat, so that it can cause "shubham" and

Amrita

> > varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

> >

> > I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> > demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

> >

> > Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with new

> > understanding.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The text

> > being in

> > > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through. It was

> > indeed

> > > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some

other

> > verses

> > > not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey of

> > Kundalini

> > > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more

comfortable

> > with

> > > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is

done

> > > differently in north and south.

> > > There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs. But

as

> > I said

> > > I can not escape blame on that account.

> > >

> > > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference,

mention

> > that

> > > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made out by

> > you? That

> > > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> > >

> > > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the

natural

> > > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean that

she

> > is

> > > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit properly.

There

> > > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini being

> > activated

> > > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited knowledge

> > goes,

> > > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly see

> > phrase

> > > > in the quotation.

> > > >

> > > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara tantra,

> > expanded

> > > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha vyaakhya

on the

> > > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > > >

> > > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in

giving

> > it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where is

the

> > > > reference

> > > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I know

> > as to

> > > > why

> > > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at Muladhara

is

> > > > excluded? I

> > > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> > Swadhishthana.

> > > > Would

> > > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could try to

> > > > locate the

> > > > > complete verse myself?

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem

kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya

utpannaa

> > > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte

payovratam

> > > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam

anyadapi

> > > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> > agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva chandramandalam

> > > > dravateethi

> > > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that

> > Kundalini

> > > > has

> > > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures (utpatti

> > > > avastha)

> > > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham, through

> > the

> > > > medium

> > > > > > of agni.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from

> > scriptures

> > > > > > that you

> > > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious.

> > That

> > > > will

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja and

other

> > > > Kootas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given according

to

> > > > kootas,

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not? Let's

get

> > this

> > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest.

Please

> > do

> > > > not

> > > > > > worry

> > > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you, and

can

> > > > provide

> > > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean the

> > portion

> > > > upto

> > > > > > neck

> > > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the

> > same

> > > > > > place,

> > > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

> > arguments

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support

of

> > your

> > > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the

> > shloka I

> > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the

> > head

> > > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any

> > other

> > > > koota

> > > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do

you

> > > > imply

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

> > astrology

> > > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a

simple

> > > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me,

unless

> > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or

want

> > to

> > > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

> > intended

> > > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt

kundalini

> > at

> > > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> > samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a

> > python

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser

than at

> > > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not

agni

> > > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha"

happens

> > only

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and

is

> > > > ignited

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but

a

> > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating

> > the

> > > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija

> > protect

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And

her

> > > > > > principal

> > > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara.

However

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant

you

> > are

> > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm

> > beeja

> > > > is

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you

> > need the

> > > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that

Kundalini

> > > > means

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

> > certainly

> > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé

devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in

Rudrayamala

> > > > Tantra.

> > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

described

> > as

> > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read

the

> > > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

> > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

> > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH"

and

> > > > talks of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with

Shiva....mahe

> > > > utsave

> > > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH

tatparataa

> > > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

> > taneeyasee"

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

> > kundalini,

> > > > > > let me

> > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up

(

> > the

> > > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

> > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

> > (anger),

> > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and

> > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama"

imply

> > > > among

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

> > swaroopini"

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes

understanding

> > of

> > > > both

> > > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which

can be

> > > > routed

> > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends

the

> > > > same?

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good

> > use,

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and

Parvati,

> > > > wisdom

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures

the

> > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

> > Shakti is

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik

and

> > > > krura. I

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can

give

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so.

You

> > can

> > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

> > winning or

> > > > > > losing

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as

an

> > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the

> > case, I

> > > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early

> > age are

> > > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did

> > not die

> > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times

despite of

> > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's

chart

> > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I

did

> > not

> > > > know

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if

> > there

> > > > is a

> > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please

> > do not

> > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the

discussions

> > are

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no

where.

> > The

> > > > two

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time

an

> > > > event but

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart

you

> > have

> > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu

deha

> > in

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you

> > read

> > > > my

> > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him,

> > only

> > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma

> > and

> > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on

the

> > > > topic,

> > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and

causing

> > a

> > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji

> > lived,

> > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also,

> > before

> > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> > icchamrityu

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe

> > that he

> > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-

02-

> > 10

> > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) -

1903-

> > 08-27

> > > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-

09-

> > 12

> > > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-

07-

> > 07

> > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

1902-

> > 07-06

> > > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-

05

> > > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon,

Venus

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu

is

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn

is

> > the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his

early

> > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all

> > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

> > aspecting 7th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you

ignore

> > the

> > > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the

10th

> > > > house? I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja

yoga:--

> > ))

> > > > but

> > > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact

he

> > > > created

> > > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to

> > the

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars

in

> > the

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I

think

> > the

> > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You

> > have

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the

> > bhava

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already

> > stated

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to

> > great

> > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or

otherwise

> > of

> > > > what I

> > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

> > malignant

> > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in

> > his

> > > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent

results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

> > examine

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the

> > 3rd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's

> > chart,

> > > > rahu

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> > effects...all of

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th

> > house and

> > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

> > effect,

> > > > if at

> > > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-

02-

> > 03

> > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-

02-

> > 21

> > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-

05-

> > 18

> > > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-

04-

> > 20

> > > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

1950-

> > 04-14

> > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-

04-14

> > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact

that

> > the

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I

> > think

> > > > their

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

> > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider

the

> > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other

charts/issues

> > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

> > strong as

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility

even

> > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam

shane

> > > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not

considered

> > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

> > Please go

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and

> > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background

> > and

> > > > that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for

its

> > soft

> > > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics

> > giving

> > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M.

Yoga

> > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to

imagine

> > > > they

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or

all

> > > > with

> > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts

of

> > > > India

> > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages

> > gave us

> > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope

> > using

> > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka

> > giving

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an

old

> > > > classic

> > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem

to

> > > > accept

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by

Dr.

> > > > Raman,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the

> > shloka

> > > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with

Shri

> > B.V.

> > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give

good

> > > > results,

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> > > > disagree

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> > > > contrary to

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples,

where I

> > > > find

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura

> > nor

> > > > that

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in

> > lagna and

> > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd

> > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars

in

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th

> > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa:

Exalted

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi,

> > while

> > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to

> > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong

> > Saturn

> > > > gives

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the

saying

> > is

> > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the

saying

> > is,

> > > > that

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-

krura)

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when

> > weak

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

> > smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I

> > was 9

> > > > years

> > > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you

didn't

> > > > notice

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> > > > difference

> > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that

> > Rahu is

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally

> > good,

> > > > then

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart

> > because

> > > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when

weak,

> > > > give

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while

strong

> > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were

weak,

> > he

> > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> > > > combust

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major

results of

> > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

> > according

> > > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> > > > shadbala

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request

> > you to

> > > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he

> > died,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

> > persons in

> > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to

> > learn

> > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> > Duryodhana.

> > > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But

> > it's to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to

please

> > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

> > personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house

> > from

> > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the

natural

> > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

> > represents

> > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama,

the

> > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds.

> > So, the

> > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> > > > resides in

> > > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here.

So

> > he

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> > > > referred to

> > > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

> > antaraatma

> > > > and

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > >

> > <%40> <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for

the

> > > > results

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your

> > father

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during

that

> > > > time.

> > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young

> > age of

> > > > 9

> > > > > > or so

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved

you

> > > > did not

> > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about

> > Rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> > conjunction, as

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its

> > dasha

> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not

> > because I

> > > > > > say so

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> > > > conjunct a

> > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of

> > Artha

> > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money.

> > Though

> > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana

> > (8th)

> > > > and

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th

is

> > more

> > > > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana.

If

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why

would

> > Sun

> > > > be at

> > > > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

> > > > represent

> > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar

ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was

excellent

> > > > too. My

> > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days

were

> > great

> > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in

creative

> > > > > > writing,

> > > > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> > > > student, I

> > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify

this,

> > if

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results,

> > but

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think

Rahu

> > is

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is

> > malefic

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also

represent

> > > > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a

> > place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all

> > water

> > > > > > bodies,

> > > > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has

the

> > > > best

> > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > > protection

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-

of-

> > > > date.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus

Database:

> > > > > > > > 268.11.7/435 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8/31/2006

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

> > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

> > > > > > 268.12.2/441 -

> > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/7/2006

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

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September 20, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste to All,

In the context of LS Mantra "Chidagni Kuda Sambutha", will this link be

of any help..?

<http://al-qiyamah.org/kitab_al_munir/book_of_enlightenment_1-100.htm>

Though it is not original commentary on LS, still thought cld be of

useful reference in this context....

with respects

sriganeshh

, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> Sir, may i request you to read Lalithopakhyanam? One can understand

> from where the "chidagni" originated....infact, the entire

> concept/context of "chidagni kunda sambhuta".

>

> I wanted to know your understanding

> of "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana". If you can give it, i'd welcome

> it, otherwise, please leave it.

>

> Thanks for making me think so much of Mother.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> >

> > I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to read

> the

> > entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation

> combinations

> > that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the meaning

> of

> > Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality,

> jyotisha and

> > tantra.

> >

> > I can see your view point but would also like to draw your

> attention to

> > the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

> > "cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

> > The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit of Pure

> > copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the Gods.

> >

> > I am sure this will make you think again the interpretation of the

> > earlier shlokas in a different light.

> >

> > As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the quotation in

> > > Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to a new

> OS,

> > > so my ITrans got wiped out.

> > >

> > > I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just being

> lazy.

> > > I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this regard.

> > >

> > > Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka) must hit

> the

> > > dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha, repeatedly,

> until it

> > > turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe kundalini at

> > > Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma randhra and

> > > unites with shiva thereat, so that it can cause "shubham" and

> Amrita

> > > varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

> > >

> > > I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> > > demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

> > >

> > > Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with new

> > > understanding.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The text

> > > being in

> > > > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through. It was

> > > indeed

> > > > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some

> other

> > > verses

> > > > not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey of

> > > Kundalini

> > > > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more

> comfortable

> > > with

> > > > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is

> done

> > > > differently in north and south.

> > > > There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs. But

> as

> > > I said

> > > > I can not escape blame on that account.

> > > >

> > > > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference,

> mention

> > > that

> > > > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made out by

> > > you? That

> > > > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> > > >

> > > > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the

> natural

> > > > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean that

> she

> > > is

> > > > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit properly.

> There

> > > > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini being

> > > activated

> > > > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited knowledge

> > > goes,

> > > > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly see

> > > phrase

> > > > > in the quotation.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara tantra,

> > > expanded

> > > > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha vyaakhya

> on the

> > > > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > > > >

> > > > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in

> giving

> > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where is

> the

> > > > > reference

> > > > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I know

> > > as to

> > > > > why

> > > > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at Muladhara

> is

> > > > > excluded? I

> > > > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> > > Swadhishthana.

> > > > > Would

> > > > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could try to

> > > > > locate the

> > > > > > complete verse myself?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem

> kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya

> utpannaa

> > > > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte

> payovratam

> > > > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam

> anyadapi

> > > > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> > > agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva chandramandalam

> > > > > dravateethi

> > > > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures (utpatti

> > > > > avastha)

> > > > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham, through

> > > the

> > > > > medium

> > > > > > > of agni.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from

> > > scriptures

> > > > > > > that you

> > > > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious.

> > > That

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja and

> other

> > > > > Kootas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given according

> to

> > > > > kootas,

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not? Let's

> get

> > > this

> > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest.

> Please

> > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > worry

> > > > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you, and

> can

> > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean the

> > > portion

> > > > > upto

> > > > > > > neck

> > > > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the

> > > same

> > > > > > > place,

> > > > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

> > > arguments

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support

> of

> > > your

> > > > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the

> > > shloka I

> > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the

> > > head

> > > > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any

> > > other

> > > > > koota

> > > > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do

> you

> > > > > imply

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a

> simple

> > > > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me,

> unless

> > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or

> want

> > > to

> > > > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

> > > intended

> > > > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt

> kundalini

> > > at

> > > > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> > > samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a

> > > python

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser

> than at

> > > > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not

> agni

> > > > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha"

> happens

> > > only

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and

> is

> > > > > ignited

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but

> a

> > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating

> > > the

> > > > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija

> > > protect

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And

> her

> > > > > > > principal

> > > > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara.

> However

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant

> you

> > > are

> > > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm

> > > beeja

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you

> > > need the

> > > > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that

> Kundalini

> > > > > means

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

> > > certainly

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä

bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé

> devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä

trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé

yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in

> Rudrayamala

> > > > > Tantra.

> > > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

> described

> > > as

> > > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read

> the

> > > > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

> > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

> > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH"

> and

> > > > > talks of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with

> Shiva....mahe

> > > > > utsave

> > > > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH

> tatparataa

> > > > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

> > > taneeyasee"

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

> > > kundalini,

> > > > > > > let me

> > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up

> (

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

> > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

> > > (anger),

> > > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and

> > > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama"

> imply

> > > > > among

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

> > > swaroopini"

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes

> understanding

> > > of

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which

> can be

> > > > > routed

> > > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends

> the

> > > > > same?

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good

> > > use,

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and

> Parvati,

> > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures

> the

> > > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

> > > Shakti is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik

> and

> > > > > krura. I

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can

> give

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so.

> You

> > > can

> > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

> > > winning or

> > > > > > > losing

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as

> an

> > > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the

> > > case, I

> > > > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early

> > > age are

> > > > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did

> > > not die

> > > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> > > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times

> despite of

> > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's

> chart

> > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I

> did

> > > not

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if

> > > there

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please

> > > do not

> > > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the

> discussions

> > > are

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no

> where.

> > > The

> > > > > two

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time

> an

> > > > > event but

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart

> you

> > > have

> > > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu

> deha

> > > in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you

> > > read

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him,

> > > only

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma

> > > and

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on

> the

> > > > > topic,

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and

> causing

> > > a

> > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji

> > > lived,

> > > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> > > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also,

> > > before

> > > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> > > icchamrityu

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe

> > > that he

> > > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-

> 02-

> > > 10

> > > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) -

> 1903-

> > > 08-27

> > > > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-

> 09-

> > > 12

> > > > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-

> 07-

> > > 07

> > > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

> 1902-

> > > 07-06

> > > > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-

> 05

> > > > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon,

> Venus

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu

> is

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn

> is

> > > the

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his

> early

> > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all

> > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

> > > aspecting 7th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you

> ignore

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the

> 10th

> > > > > house? I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja

> yoga:--

> > > ))

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact

> he

> > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to

> > > the

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars

> in

> > > the

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I

> think

> > > the

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You

> > > have

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the

> > > bhava

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already

> > > stated

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to

> > > great

> > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or

> otherwise

> > > of

> > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

> > > malignant

> > > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in

> > > his

> > > > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent

> results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

> > > examine

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the

> > > 3rd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's

> > > chart,

> > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> > > effects...all of

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th

> > > house and

> > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

> > > effect,

> > > > > if at

> > > > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-

> 02-

> > > 03

> > > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-

> 02-

> > > 21

> > > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-

> 05-

> > > 18

> > > > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-

> 04-

> > > 20

> > > > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

> 1950-

> > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-

> 04-14

> > > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact

> that

> > > the

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I

> > > think

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

> > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider

> the

> > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other

> charts/issues

> > > in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

> > > strong as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility

> even

> > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam

> shane

> > > > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not

> considered

> > > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

> > > Please go

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and

> > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background

> > > and

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for

> its

> > > soft

> > > > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics

> > > giving

> > > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M.

> Yoga

> > > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to

> imagine

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or

> all

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts

> of

> > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages

> > > gave us

> > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope

> > > using

> > > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka

> > > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an

> old

> > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem

> to

> > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by

> Dr.

> > > > > Raman,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the

> > > shloka

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with

> Shri

> > > B.V.

> > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give

> good

> > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> > > > > contrary to

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples,

> where I

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura

> > > nor

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in

> > > lagna and

> > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd

> > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars

> in

> > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th

> > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa:

> Exalted

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi,

> > > while

> > > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to

> > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong

> > > Saturn

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the

> saying

> > > is

> > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the

> saying

> > > is,

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-

> krura)

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when

> > > weak

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

> > > smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I

> > > was 9

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you

> didn't

> > > > > notice

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that

> > > Rahu is

> > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally

> > > good,

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart

> > > because

> > > > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when

> weak,

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while

> strong

> > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were

> weak,

> > > he

> > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> > > > > combust

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major

> results of

> > > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

> > > according

> > > > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> > > > > shadbala

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request

> > > you to

> > > > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he

> > > died,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

> > > persons in

> > > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to

> > > learn

> > > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> > > Duryodhana.

> > > > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But

> > > it's to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to

> please

> > > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

> > > personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house

> > > from

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the

> natural

> > > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

> > > represents

> > > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama,

> the

> > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds.

> > > So, the

> > > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> > > > > resides in

> > > > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here.

> So

> > > he

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> > > > > referred to

> > > > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

> > > antaraatma

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > >

> > > <%40> <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for

> the

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your

> > > father

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during

> that

> > > > > time.

> > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young

> > > age of

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > > or so

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved

> you

> > > > > did not

> > > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about

> > > Rahu

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> > > conjunction, as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its

> > > dasha

> > > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not

> > > because I

> > > > > > > say so

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> > > > > conjunct a

> > > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of

> > > Artha

> > > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money.

> > > Though

> > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana

> > > (8th)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th

> is

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana.

> If

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why

> would

> > > Sun

> > > > > be at

> > > > > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

> > > > > represent

> > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar

> ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was

> excellent

> > > > > too. My

> > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days

> were

> > > great

> > > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in

> creative

> > > > > > > writing,

> > > > > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> > > > > student, I

> > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify

> this,

> > > if

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results,

> > > but

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think

> Rahu

> > > is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is

> > > malefic

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also

> represent

> > > > > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a

> > > place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all

> > > water

> > > > > > > bodies,

> > > > > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has

> the

> > > > > best

> > > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > > > protection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

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> ---

> > > ----

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-

> of-

> > > > > date.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus

> Database:

> > > > > > > > > 268.11.7/435 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8/31/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message

> > > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> ---

> > > ----

> > > > > ----

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> > > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

> > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

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September 20, 2006

Dear Lakshmi,

It is apparent you have not understood the yogic meaning behind the

lalitopakhyana. So our discussions are not likely to bring any fruits.

It is strange you do apply different meaning to Kunda to suit your

arguments. I am sure you will not find the anand on the way of Kula

patha in "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana" and giving the tantrik meaning

here would be superfluous.

I would prefer if you understand Mother instead of only thinking about

her. I am sure you can do that if you focus in that direction.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> Sir, may i request you to read Lalithopakhyanam? One can understand

> from where the "chidagni" originated....infact, the entire

> concept/context of "chidagni kunda sambhuta".

>

> I wanted to know your understanding

> of "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana". If you can give it, i'd welcome

> it, otherwise, please leave it.

>

> Thanks for making me think so much of Mother.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> >

> > I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to read

> the

> > entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation

> combinations

> > that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the meaning

> of

> > Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality,

> jyotisha and

> > tantra.

> >

> > I can see your view point but would also like to draw your

> attention to

> > the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

> > "cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

> > The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit of Pure

> > copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the Gods.

> >

> > I am sure this will make you think again the interpretation of the

> > earlier shlokas in a different light.

> >

> > As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the quotation in

> > > Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to a new

> OS,

> > > so my ITrans got wiped out.

> > >

> > > I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just being

> lazy.

> > > I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this regard.

> > >

> > > Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka) must hit

> the

> > > dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha, repeatedly,

> until it

> > > turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe kundalini at

> > > Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma randhra and

> > > unites with shiva thereat, so that it can cause "shubham" and

> Amrita

> > > varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

> > >

> > > I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> > > demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

> > >

> > > Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with new

> > > understanding.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The text

> > > being in

> > > > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through. It was

> > > indeed

> > > > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some

> other

> > > verses

> > > > not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey of

> > > Kundalini

> > > > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more

> comfortable

> > > with

> > > > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is

> done

> > > > differently in north and south.

> > > > There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs. But

> as

> > > I said

> > > > I can not escape blame on that account.

> > > >

> > > > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference,

> mention

> > > that

> > > > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made out by

> > > you? That

> > > > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> > > >

> > > > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the

> natural

> > > > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean that

> she

> > > is

> > > > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit properly.

> There

> > > > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini being

> > > activated

> > > > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited knowledge

> > > goes,

> > > > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly see

> > > phrase

> > > > > in the quotation.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara tantra,

> > > expanded

> > > > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha vyaakhya

> on the

> > > > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > > > >

> > > > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in

> giving

> > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where is

> the

> > > > > reference

> > > > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I know

> > > as to

> > > > > why

> > > > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at Muladhara

> is

> > > > > excluded? I

> > > > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> > > Swadhishthana.

> > > > > Would

> > > > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could try to

> > > > > locate the

> > > > > > complete verse myself?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem

> kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya

> utpannaa

> > > > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte

> payovratam

> > > > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam

> anyadapi

> > > > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> > > agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva chandramandalam

> > > > > dravateethi

> > > > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures (utpatti

> > > > > avastha)

> > > > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham, through

> > > the

> > > > > medium

> > > > > > > of agni.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from

> > > scriptures

> > > > > > > that you

> > > > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is inauspicious.

> > > That

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja and

> other

> > > > > Kootas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given according

> to

> > > > > kootas,

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not? Let's

> get

> > > this

> > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest.

> Please

> > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > worry

> > > > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you, and

> can

> > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean the

> > > portion

> > > > > upto

> > > > > > > neck

> > > > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras at the

> > > same

> > > > > > > place,

> > > > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

> > > arguments

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in support

> of

> > > your

> > > > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on the

> > > shloka I

> > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother thus...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does the

> > > head

> > > > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there any

> > > other

> > > > > koota

> > > > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc? Or do

> you

> > > > > imply

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a

> simple

> > > > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me,

> unless

> > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us) or

> want

> > > to

> > > > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

> > > intended

> > > > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt

> kundalini

> > > at

> > > > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> > > samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is like a

> > > python

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser

> than at

> > > > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not

> agni

> > > > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha"

> happens

> > > only

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha and

> is

> > > > > ignited

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head but

> a

> > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face indicating

> > > the

> > > > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the vagbija

> > > protect

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head. And

> her

> > > > > > > principal

> > > > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara.

> However

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when dormant

> you

> > > are

> > > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the HrIm

> > > beeja

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if you

> > > need the

> > > > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that

> Kundalini

> > > > > means

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

> > > certainly

> > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé

> devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in

> Rudrayamala

> > > > > Tantra.

> > > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

> described

> > > as

> > > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have read

> the

> > > > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

> > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

> > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and not "MahashakthiH"

> and

> > > > > talks of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with

> Shiva....mahe

> > > > > utsave

> > > > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH

> tatparataa

> > > > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

> > > taneeyasee"

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

> > > kundalini,

> > > > > > > let me

> > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka! wake up

> (

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion on

> > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

> > > (anger),

> > > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride) and

> > > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what does "kaama"

> imply

> > > > > among

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

> > > swaroopini"

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes

> understanding

> > > of

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which

> can be

> > > > > routed

> > > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both ends

> the

> > > > > same?

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to good

> > > use,

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and

> Parvati,

> > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it ensures

> the

> > > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

> > > Shakti is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both sattwik

> and

> > > > > krura. I

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter, can

> give

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do so.

> You

> > > can

> > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

> > > winning or

> > > > > > > losing

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed as

> an

> > > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not the

> > > case, I

> > > > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an early

> > > age are

> > > > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but did

> > > not die

> > > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have read

> > > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times

> despite of

> > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's

> chart

> > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results. I

> did

> > > not

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way if

> > > there

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife? Please

> > > do not

> > > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that) into

> > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the

> discussions

> > > are

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no

> where.

> > > The

> > > > > two

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to time

> an

> > > > > event but

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's chart

> you

> > > have

> > > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the Ketu

> deha

> > > in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the way you

> > > read

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for him,

> > > only

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being Atma

> > > and

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread on

> the

> > > > > topic,

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in Swami

> > > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and

> causing

> > > a

> > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the Swamiji

> > > lived,

> > > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act as

> > > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji, also,

> > > before

> > > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> > > icchamrityu

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I observe

> > > that he

> > > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) - 1909-

> 02-

> > > 10

> > > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) -

> 1903-

> > > 08-27

> > > > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) - 1902-

> 09-

> > > 12

> > > > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) - 1902-

> 07-

> > > 07

> > > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

> 1902-

> > > 07-06

> > > > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) - 1902-07-

> 05

> > > > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon,

> Venus

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna, Ketu

> is

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and Saturn

> is

> > > the

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the maraka

> > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of his

> early

> > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into all

> > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

> > > aspecting 7th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you

> ignore

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the

> 10th

> > > > > house? I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja

> yoga:--

> > > ))

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level impact

> he

> > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what happened to

> > > the

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted Mars

> in

> > > the

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I

> think

> > > the

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like Sita. You

> > > have

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at the

> > > bhava

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons already

> > > stated

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as belonging to

> > > great

> > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or

> otherwise

> > > of

> > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

> > > malignant

> > > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in 8th in

> > > his

> > > > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent

> results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

> > > examine

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun is the

> > > 3rd

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri Ramana's

> > > chart,

> > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> > > effects...all of

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in 7th

> > > house and

> > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

> > > effect,

> > > > > if at

> > > > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) - 1955-

> 02-

> > > 03

> > > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1951-

> 02-

> > > 21

> > > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) - 1950-

> 05-

> > > 18

> > > > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) - 1950-

> 04-

> > > 20

> > > > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

> 1950-

> > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) - 1950-

> 04-14

> > > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact

> that

> > > the

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about death. I

> > > think

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

> > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to consider

> the

> > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other

> charts/issues

> > > in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

> > > strong as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of debility

> even

> > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn Viparitam

> shane

> > > > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not

> considered

> > > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

> > > Please go

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn and

> > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary background

> > > and

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known for

> its

> > > soft

> > > > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong Malefics

> > > giving

> > > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a P.M.

> Yoga

> > > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to

> imagine

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by Parashara or

> all

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different parts

> of

> > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The sages

> > > gave us

> > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life horoscope

> > > using

> > > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the shloka

> > > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from an

> old

> > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not seem

> to

> > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said by

> Dr.

> > > > > Raman,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want the

> > > shloka

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with

> Shri

> > > B.V.

> > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics give

> good

> > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you also

> > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas. Isn't it

> > > > > contrary to

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples,

> where I

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives krura

> > > nor

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun in

> > > lagna and

> > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in 2nd

> > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted Mars

> in

> > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars in 8th

> > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa:

> Exalted

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in rasi,

> > > while

> > > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the reference

> > > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer to

> > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree strong

> > > Saturn

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the

> saying

> > > is

> > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the

> saying

> > > is,

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-

> krura)

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura when

> > > weak

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

> > > smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started when I

> > > was 9

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you

> didn't

> > > > > notice

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand the

> > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree that

> > > Rahu is

> > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are exceptionally

> > > good,

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my chart

> > > because

> > > > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially when

> weak,

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while

> strong

> > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were

> weak,

> > > he

> > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is hopelessly

> > > > > combust

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major

> results of

> > > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

> > > according

> > > > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with higher

> > > > > shadbala

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I request

> > > you to

> > > > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again. When he

> > > died,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

> > > persons in

> > > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately wanted to

> > > learn

> > > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> > > Duryodhana.

> > > > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly. But

> > > it's to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to

> please

> > > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

> > > personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd house

> > > from

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the

> natural

> > > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

> > > represents

> > > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by Yama,

> the

> > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial grounds.

> > > So, the

> > > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also, Sun

> > > > > resides in

> > > > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from here.

> So

> > > he

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that when I

> > > > > referred to

> > > > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

> > > antaraatma

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post on the

> > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40> <%

> > > 40>

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> > > > > > > > > <%40>

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young for

> the

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that your

> > > father

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades during

> that

> > > > > time.

> > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a young

> > > age of

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > > or so

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am relieved

> you

> > > > > did not

> > > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970 period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking about

> > > Rahu

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> > > conjunction, as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding Sun its

> > > dasha

> > > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic not

> > > because I

> > > > > > > say so

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic when

> > > > > conjunct a

> > > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the apex of

> > > Artha

> > > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn money.

> > > Though

> > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush sthana

> > > (8th)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But 8th

> is

> > > more

> > > > > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called Smashana.

> If

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why

> would

> > > Sun

> > > > > be at

> > > > > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can not

> > > > > represent

> > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar

> ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was

> excellent

> > > > > too. My

> > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days

> were

> > > great

> > > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in

> creative

> > > > > > > writing,

> > > > > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So, for a

> > > > > student, I

> > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify

> this,

> > > if

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka results,

> > > but

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you think

> Rahu

> > > is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury is

> > > malefic

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also

> represent

> > > > > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is that a

> > > place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents all

> > > water

> > > > > > > bodies,

> > > > > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has

> the

> > > > > best

> > > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > > > protection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

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Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

Please give the tantrik / yogic meaning, so that my understanding

becomes complete.

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

> It is apparent you have not understood the yogic meaning behind

the

> lalitopakhyana. So our discussions are not likely to bring any

fruits.

> It is strange you do apply different meaning to Kunda to suit your

> arguments. I am sure you will not find the anand on the way of

Kula

> patha in "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana" and giving the tantrik

meaning

> here would be superfluous.

>

> I would prefer if you understand Mother instead of only thinking

about

> her. I am sure you can do that if you focus in that direction.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > Sir, may i request you to read Lalithopakhyanam? One can

understand

> > from where the "chidagni" originated....infact, the entire

> > concept/context of "chidagni kunda sambhuta".

> >

> > I wanted to know your understanding

> > of "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana". If you can give it, i'd welcome

> > it, otherwise, please leave it.

> >

> > Thanks for making me think so much of Mother.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to read

> > the

> > > entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation

> > combinations

> > > that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the

meaning

> > of

> > > Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality,

> > jyotisha and

> > > tantra.

> > >

> > > I can see your view point but would also like to draw your

> > attention to

> > > the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

> > > "cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

> > > The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit of

Pure

> > > copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the Gods.

> > >

> > > I am sure this will make you think again the interpretation of

the

> > > earlier shlokas in a different light.

> > >

> > > As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the quotation

in

> > > > Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to a

new

> > OS,

> > > > so my ITrans got wiped out.

> > > >

> > > > I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just being

> > lazy.

> > > > I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this regard.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka) must

hit

> > the

> > > > dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha, repeatedly,

> > until it

> > > > turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe kundalini at

> > > > Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma

randhra and

> > > > unites with shiva thereat, so that it can cause "shubham" and

> > Amrita

> > > > varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> > > > demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with new

> > > > understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The

text

> > > > being in

> > > > > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through.

It was

> > > > indeed

> > > > > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some

> > other

> > > > verses

> > > > > not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey

of

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more

> > comfortable

> > > > with

> > > > > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is

> > done

> > > > > differently in north and south.

> > > > > There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs.

But

> > as

> > > > I said

> > > > > I can not escape blame on that account.

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference,

> > mention

> > > > that

> > > > > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made

out by

> > > > you? That

> > > > > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> > > > >

> > > > > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the

> > natural

> > > > > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean

that

> > she

> > > > is

> > > > > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit

properly.

> > There

> > > > > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini

being

> > > > activated

> > > > > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited

knowledge

> > > > goes,

> > > > > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly

see

> > > > phrase

> > > > > > in the quotation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara

tantra,

> > > > expanded

> > > > > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha

vyaakhya

> > on the

> > > > > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in

> > giving

> > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where

is

> > the

> > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I

know

> > > > as to

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at

Muladhara

> > is

> > > > > > excluded? I

> > > > > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> > > > Swadhishthana.

> > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could

try to

> > > > > > locate the

> > > > > > > complete verse myself?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem

> > kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > > > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya

> > utpannaa

> > > > > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > > > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte

> > payovratam

> > > > > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam

> > anyadapi

> > > > > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> > > > agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva

chandramandalam

> > > > > > dravateethi

> > > > > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures

(utpatti

> > > > > > avastha)

> > > > > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham,

through

> > > > the

> > > > > > medium

> > > > > > > > of agni.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from

> > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > that you

> > > > > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is

inauspicious.

> > > > That

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja

and

> > other

> > > > > > Kootas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given

according

> > to

> > > > > > kootas,

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not?

Let's

> > get

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest.

> > Please

> > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > worry

> > > > > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you,

and

> > can

> > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean

the

> > > > portion

> > > > > > upto

> > > > > > > > neck

> > > > > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras

at the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > > place,

> > > > > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

> > > > arguments

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in

support

> > of

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on

the

> > > > shloka I

> > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother

thus...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha

pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna

katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does

the

> > > > head

> > > > > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there

any

> > > > other

> > > > > > koota

> > > > > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc?

Or do

> > you

> > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a

> > simple

> > > > > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me,

> > unless

> > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us)

or

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

> > > > intended

> > > > > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt

> > kundalini

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > > > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> > > > samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is

like a

> > > > python

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser

> > than at

> > > > > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not

> > agni

> > > > > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha"

> > happens

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha

and

> > is

> > > > > > ignited

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head

but

> > a

> > > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face

indicating

> > > > the

> > > > > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the

vagbija

> > > > protect

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head.

And

> > her

> > > > > > > > principal

> > > > > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara.

> > However

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when

dormant

> > you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the

HrIm

> > > > beeja

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if

you

> > > > need the

> > > > > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that

> > Kundalini

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

> > > > certainly

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on

this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé

> > devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä

trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné

mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta

k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in

> > Rudrayamala

> > > > > > Tantra.

> > > > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

> > described

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have

read

> > the

> > > > > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

> > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

> > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and

not "MahashakthiH"

> > and

> > > > > > talks of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with

> > Shiva....mahe

> > > > > > utsave

> > > > > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH

> > tatparataa

> > > > > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

> > > > taneeyasee"

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

> > > > kundalini,

> > > > > > > > let me

> > > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > > > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka!

wake up

> > (

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion

on

> > > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

> > > > (anger),

> > > > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride)

and

> > > > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what

does "kaama"

> > imply

> > > > > > among

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

> > > > swaroopini"

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes

> > understanding

> > > > of

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which

> > can be

> > > > > > routed

> > > > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both

ends

> > the

> > > > > > same?

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to

good

> > > > use,

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and

> > Parvati,

> > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it

ensures

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

> > > > Shakti is

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both

sattwik

> > and

> > > > > > krura. I

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter,

can

> > give

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do

so.

> > You

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

> > > > winning or

> > > > > > > > losing

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed

as

> > an

> > > > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not

the

> > > > case, I

> > > > > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an

early

> > > > age are

> > > > > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but

did

> > > > not die

> > > > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have

read

> > > > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times

> > despite of

> > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's

> > chart

> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results.

I

> > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way

if

> > > > there

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife?

Please

> > > > do not

> > > > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that)

into

> > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the

> > discussions

> > > > are

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no

> > where.

> > > > The

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to

time

> > an

> > > > > > event but

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas

occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's

chart

> > you

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the

Ketu

> > deha

> > > > in

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the

way you

> > > > read

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for

him,

> > > > only

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being

Atma

> > > > and

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread

on

> > the

> > > > > > topic,

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana

Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in

Swami

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and

> > causing

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the

Swamiji

> > > > lived,

> > > > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act

as

> > > > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji,

also,

> > > > before

> > > > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> > > > icchamrityu

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I

observe

> > > > that he

> > > > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) -

1909-

> > 02-

> > > > 10

> > > > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) -

> > 1903-

> > > > 08-27

> > > > > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) -

1902-

> > 09-

> > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) -

1902-

> > 07-

> > > > 07

> > > > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

> > 1902-

> > > > 07-06

> > > > > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

1902-07-

> > 05

> > > > > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon,

> > Venus

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna,

Ketu

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and

Saturn

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the

maraka

> > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of

his

> > early

> > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into

all

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

> > > > aspecting 7th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you

> > ignore

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the

> > 10th

> > > > > > house? I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja

> > yoga:--

> > > > ))

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level

impact

> > he

> > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what

happened to

> > > > the

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted

Mars

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I

> > think

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like

Sita. You

> > > > have

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at

the

> > > > bhava

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons

already

> > > > stated

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as

belonging to

> > > > great

> > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or

> > otherwise

> > > > of

> > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

> > > > malignant

> > > > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in

8th in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent

> > results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

> > > > examine

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun

is the

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri

Ramana's

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> > > > effects...all of

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in

7th

> > > > house and

> > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

> > > > effect,

> > > > > > if at

> > > > > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the

killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) -

1955-

> > 02-

> > > > 03

> > > > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) -

1951-

> > 02-

> > > > 21

> > > > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) -

1950-

> > 05-

> > > > 18

> > > > > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) -

1950-

> > 04-

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

> > 1950-

> > > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

1950-

> > 04-14

> > > > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about

death. I

> > > > think

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

> > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to

consider

> > the

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other

> > charts/issues

> > > > in

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

> > > > strong as

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of

debility

> > even

> > > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn

Viparitam

> > shane

> > > > > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not

> > considered

> > > > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

> > > > Please go

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn

and

> > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you

are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary

background

> > > > and

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known

for

> > its

> > > > soft

> > > > > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong

Malefics

> > > > giving

> > > > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a

P.M.

> > Yoga

> > > > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to

> > imagine

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by

Parashara or

> > all

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different

parts

> > of

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The

sages

> > > > gave us

> > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life

horoscope

> > > > using

> > > > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the

shloka

> > > > giving

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from

an

> > old

> > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not

seem

> > to

> > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said

by

> > Dr.

> > > > > > Raman,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want

the

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with

> > Shri

> > > > B.V.

> > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics

give

> > good

> > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you

also

> > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas.

Isn't it

> > > > > > contrary to

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples,

> > where I

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives

krura

> > > > nor

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun

in

> > > > lagna and

> > > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in

2nd

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted

Mars

> > in

> > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars

in 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa:

> > Exalted

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in

rasi,

> > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the

reference

> > > > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer

to

> > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree

strong

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the

> > saying

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and

understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > > > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the

> > saying

> > > > is,

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-

> > krura)

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura

when

> > > > weak

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

> > > > smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar

ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started

when I

> > > > was 9

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you

> > didn't

> > > > > > notice

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand

the

> > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree

that

> > > > Rahu is

> > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are

exceptionally

> > > > good,

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows

that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my

chart

> > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially

when

> > weak,

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while

> > strong

> > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were

> > weak,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is

hopelessly

> > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major

> > results of

> > > > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are

also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

> > > > according

> > > > > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with

higher

> > > > > > shadbala

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I

request

> > > > you to

> > > > > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again.

When he

> > > > died,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

> > > > persons in

> > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > > > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately

wanted to

> > > > learn

> > > > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> > > > Duryodhana.

> > > > > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly.

But

> > > > it's to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to

> > please

> > > > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

> > > > personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd

house

> > > > from

> > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the

> > natural

> > > > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

> > > > represents

> > > > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by

Yama,

> > the

> > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial

grounds.

> > > > So, the

> > > > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also,

Sun

> > > > > > resides in

> > > > > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from

here.

> > So

> > > > he

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that

when I

> > > > > > referred to

> > > > > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

> > > > antaraatma

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post

on the

> > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40> <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young

for

> > the

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that

your

> > > > father

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades

during

> > that

> > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a

young

> > > > age of

> > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > or so

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am

relieved

> > you

> > > > > > did not

> > > > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970

period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking

about

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> > > > conjunction, as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding

Sun its

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic

not

> > > > because I

> > > > > > > > say so

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic

when

> > > > > > conjunct a

> > > > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the

apex of

> > > > Artha

> > > > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn

money.

> > > > Though

> > > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush

sthana

> > > > (8th)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > its

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> > If

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> > would

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> > > > > > > > > > its most

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> > excellent

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> > > > great

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> > creative

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> > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is

out-

> > of-

> > > > > > date.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free

Edition.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus

> > Database:

> > > > > > > > > > 268.11.7/435 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8/31/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> > message

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

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> > > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

> > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus

Database:

> > > > > > > > 268.12.2/441 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/7/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

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> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

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> > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

> > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

> > > > > > 268.12.2/442 -

> > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/8/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

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September 20, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

Please give the tantrik / yogic meaning, so that my understanding

becomes complete.

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

> It is apparent you have not understood the yogic meaning behind

the

> lalitopakhyana. So our discussions are not likely to bring any

fruits.

> It is strange you do apply different meaning to Kunda to suit your

> arguments. I am sure you will not find the anand on the way of

Kula

> patha in "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana" and giving the tantrik

meaning

> here would be superfluous.

>

> I would prefer if you understand Mother instead of only thinking

about

> her. I am sure you can do that if you focus in that direction.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > Sir, may i request you to read Lalithopakhyanam? One can

understand

> > from where the "chidagni" originated....infact, the entire

> > concept/context of "chidagni kunda sambhuta".

> >

> > I wanted to know your understanding

> > of "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana". If you can give it, i'd welcome

> > it, otherwise, please leave it.

> >

> > Thanks for making me think so much of Mother.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to read

> > the

> > > entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation

> > combinations

> > > that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the

meaning

> > of

> > > Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality,

> > jyotisha and

> > > tantra.

> > >

> > > I can see your view point but would also like to draw your

> > attention to

> > > the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

> > > "cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

> > > The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit of

Pure

> > > copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the Gods.

> > >

> > > I am sure this will make you think again the interpretation of

the

> > > earlier shlokas in a different light.

> > >

> > > As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the quotation

in

> > > > Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to a

new

> > OS,

> > > > so my ITrans got wiped out.

> > > >

> > > > I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just being

> > lazy.

> > > > I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this regard.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka) must

hit

> > the

> > > > dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha, repeatedly,

> > until it

> > > > turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe kundalini at

> > > > Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma

randhra and

> > > > unites with shiva thereat, so that it can cause "shubham" and

> > Amrita

> > > > varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> > > > demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with new

> > > > understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The

text

> > > > being in

> > > > > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through.

It was

> > > > indeed

> > > > > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some

> > other

> > > > verses

> > > > > not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey

of

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more

> > comfortable

> > > > with

> > > > > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is

> > done

> > > > > differently in north and south.

> > > > > There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs.

But

> > as

> > > > I said

> > > > > I can not escape blame on that account.

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference,

> > mention

> > > > that

> > > > > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made

out by

> > > > you? That

> > > > > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> > > > >

> > > > > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the

> > natural

> > > > > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean

that

> > she

> > > > is

> > > > > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit

properly.

> > There

> > > > > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini

being

> > > > activated

> > > > > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited

knowledge

> > > > goes,

> > > > > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly

see

> > > > phrase

> > > > > > in the quotation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara

tantra,

> > > > expanded

> > > > > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha

vyaakhya

> > on the

> > > > > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in

> > giving

> > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where

is

> > the

> > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I

know

> > > > as to

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at

Muladhara

> > is

> > > > > > excluded? I

> > > > > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> > > > Swadhishthana.

> > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could

try to

> > > > > > locate the

> > > > > > > complete verse myself?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem

> > kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > > > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya

> > utpannaa

> > > > > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > > > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte

> > payovratam

> > > > > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam

> > anyadapi

> > > > > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> > > > agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva

chandramandalam

> > > > > > dravateethi

> > > > > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures

(utpatti

> > > > > > avastha)

> > > > > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham,

through

> > > > the

> > > > > > medium

> > > > > > > > of agni.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from

> > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > that you

> > > > > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is

inauspicious.

> > > > That

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja

and

> > other

> > > > > > Kootas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given

according

> > to

> > > > > > kootas,

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not?

Let's

> > get

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest.

> > Please

> > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > worry

> > > > > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you,

and

> > can

> > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean

the

> > > > portion

> > > > > > upto

> > > > > > > > neck

> > > > > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras

at the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > > place,

> > > > > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

> > > > arguments

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in

support

> > of

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on

the

> > > > shloka I

> > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother

thus...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha

pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna

katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does

the

> > > > head

> > > > > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there

any

> > > > other

> > > > > > koota

> > > > > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc?

Or do

> > you

> > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a

> > simple

> > > > > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me,

> > unless

> > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us)

or

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

> > > > intended

> > > > > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt

> > kundalini

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > > > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> > > > samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is

like a

> > > > python

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser

> > than at

> > > > > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not

> > agni

> > > > > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha"

> > happens

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha

and

> > is

> > > > > > ignited

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head

but

> > a

> > > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face

indicating

> > > > the

> > > > > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the

vagbija

> > > > protect

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head.

And

> > her

> > > > > > > > principal

> > > > > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara.

> > However

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when

dormant

> > you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the

HrIm

> > > > beeja

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if

you

> > > > need the

> > > > > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that

> > Kundalini

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

> > > > certainly

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on

this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé

> > devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä

trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné

mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta

k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in

> > Rudrayamala

> > > > > > Tantra.

> > > > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

> > described

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have

read

> > the

> > > > > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

> > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

> > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and

not "MahashakthiH"

> > and

> > > > > > talks of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with

> > Shiva....mahe

> > > > > > utsave

> > > > > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH

> > tatparataa

> > > > > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

> > > > taneeyasee"

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

> > > > kundalini,

> > > > > > > > let me

> > > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > > > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka!

wake up

> > (

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion

on

> > > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

> > > > (anger),

> > > > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride)

and

> > > > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what

does "kaama"

> > imply

> > > > > > among

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

> > > > swaroopini"

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes

> > understanding

> > > > of

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which

> > can be

> > > > > > routed

> > > > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both

ends

> > the

> > > > > > same?

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to

good

> > > > use,

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and

> > Parvati,

> > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it

ensures

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

> > > > Shakti is

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both

sattwik

> > and

> > > > > > krura. I

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter,

can

> > give

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do

so.

> > You

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

> > > > winning or

> > > > > > > > losing

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed

as

> > an

> > > > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not

the

> > > > case, I

> > > > > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an

early

> > > > age are

> > > > > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but

did

> > > > not die

> > > > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have

read

> > > > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times

> > despite of

> > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's

> > chart

> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results.

I

> > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way

if

> > > > there

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife?

Please

> > > > do not

> > > > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that)

into

> > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the

> > discussions

> > > > are

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no

> > where.

> > > > The

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to

time

> > an

> > > > > > event but

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas

occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's

chart

> > you

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the

Ketu

> > deha

> > > > in

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the

way you

> > > > read

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for

him,

> > > > only

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being

Atma

> > > > and

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread

on

> > the

> > > > > > topic,

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana

Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in

Swami

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and

> > causing

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the

Swamiji

> > > > lived,

> > > > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act

as

> > > > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji,

also,

> > > > before

> > > > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> > > > icchamrityu

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I

observe

> > > > that he

> > > > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) -

1909-

> > 02-

> > > > 10

> > > > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) -

> > 1903-

> > > > 08-27

> > > > > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) -

1902-

> > 09-

> > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) -

1902-

> > 07-

> > > > 07

> > > > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

> > 1902-

> > > > 07-06

> > > > > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

1902-07-

> > 05

> > > > > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon,

> > Venus

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna,

Ketu

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and

Saturn

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the

maraka

> > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of

his

> > early

> > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into

all

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

> > > > aspecting 7th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you

> > ignore

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the

> > 10th

> > > > > > house? I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja

> > yoga:--

> > > > ))

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level

impact

> > he

> > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what

happened to

> > > > the

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted

Mars

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I

> > think

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like

Sita. You

> > > > have

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at

the

> > > > bhava

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons

already

> > > > stated

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as

belonging to

> > > > great

> > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or

> > otherwise

> > > > of

> > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

> > > > malignant

> > > > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in

8th in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent

> > results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

> > > > examine

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun

is the

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri

Ramana's

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> > > > effects...all of

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in

7th

> > > > house and

> > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

> > > > effect,

> > > > > > if at

> > > > > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the

killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) -

1955-

> > 02-

> > > > 03

> > > > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) -

1951-

> > 02-

> > > > 21

> > > > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) -

1950-

> > 05-

> > > > 18

> > > > > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) -

1950-

> > 04-

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

> > 1950-

> > > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

1950-

> > 04-14

> > > > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about

death. I

> > > > think

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

> > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to

consider

> > the

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other

> > charts/issues

> > > > in

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

> > > > strong as

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of

debility

> > even

> > > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn

Viparitam

> > shane

> > > > > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not

> > considered

> > > > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

> > > > Please go

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn

and

> > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you

are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary

background

> > > > and

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known

for

> > its

> > > > soft

> > > > > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong

Malefics

> > > > giving

> > > > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a

P.M.

> > Yoga

> > > > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to

> > imagine

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by

Parashara or

> > all

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different

parts

> > of

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The

sages

> > > > gave us

> > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life

horoscope

> > > > using

> > > > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the

shloka

> > > > giving

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from

an

> > old

> > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not

seem

> > to

> > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said

by

> > Dr.

> > > > > > Raman,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want

the

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with

> > Shri

> > > > B.V.

> > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics

give

> > good

> > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you

also

> > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas.

Isn't it

> > > > > > contrary to

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples,

> > where I

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives

krura

> > > > nor

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun

in

> > > > lagna and

> > > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in

2nd

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted

Mars

> > in

> > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars

in 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa:

> > Exalted

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in

rasi,

> > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the

reference

> > > > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer

to

> > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree

strong

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the

> > saying

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and

understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > > > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the

> > saying

> > > > is,

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-

> > krura)

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura

when

> > > > weak

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

> > > > smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar

ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started

when I

> > > > was 9

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you

> > didn't

> > > > > > notice

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand

the

> > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree

that

> > > > Rahu is

> > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are

exceptionally

> > > > good,

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows

that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my

chart

> > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially

when

> > weak,

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while

> > strong

> > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were

> > weak,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is

hopelessly

> > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major

> > results of

> > > > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are

also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

> > > > according

> > > > > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with

higher

> > > > > > shadbala

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I

request

> > > > you to

> > > > > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again.

When he

> > > > died,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

> > > > persons in

> > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > > > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately

wanted to

> > > > learn

> > > > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> > > > Duryodhana.

> > > > > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly.

But

> > > > it's to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to

> > please

> > > > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

> > > > personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd

house

> > > > from

> > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the

> > natural

> > > > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

> > > > represents

> > > > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by

Yama,

> > the

> > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial

grounds.

> > > > So, the

> > > > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also,

Sun

> > > > > > resides in

> > > > > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from

here.

> > So

> > > > he

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that

when I

> > > > > > referred to

> > > > > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

> > > > antaraatma

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post

on the

> > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40> <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young

for

> > the

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that

your

> > > > father

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades

during

> > that

> > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a

young

> > > > age of

> > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > or so

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am

relieved

> > you

> > > > > > did not

> > > > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970

period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking

about

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> > > > conjunction, as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding

Sun its

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic

not

> > > > because I

> > > > > > > > say so

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic

when

> > > > > > conjunct a

> > > > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the

apex of

> > > > Artha

> > > > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn

money.

> > > > Though

> > > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush

sthana

> > > > (8th)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But

8th

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called

Smashana.

> > If

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why

> > would

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > be at

> > > > > > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can

not

> > > > > > represent

> > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

Chandrasekhar

> > ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was

> > excellent

> > > > > > too. My

> > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days

> > were

> > > > great

> > > > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in

> > creative

> > > > > > > > writing,

> > > > > > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So,

for a

> > > > > > student, I

> > > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify

> > this,

> > > > if

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka

results,

> > > > but

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you

think

> > Rahu

> > > > is

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury

is

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also

> > represent

> > > > > > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is

that a

> > > > place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents

all

> > > > water

> > > > > > > > bodies,

> > > > > > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail

has

> > the

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > > > > protection

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > -----

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is

out-

> > of-

> > > > > > date.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free

Edition.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus

> > Database:

> > > > > > > > > > 268.11.7/435 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8/31/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> > message

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------

----

> > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > -----

> > > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

> > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus

Database:

> > > > > > > > 268.12.2/441 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/7/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

message

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

----

> > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

> > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

> > > > > > 268.12.2/442 -

> > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/8/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the all-new Mail. "The New

> > > > Version is

> > > > > > > > > > radically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > easier

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to use" -- The Wall Street Journal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------

----

> > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

> > > > 268.12.2/442 -

> > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9/8/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------

----

> > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

268.12.2/442 -

> > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > 9/8/2006

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > > > > > > > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've

> > > > developed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > new Security Centre.

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> > > > > > <http://uk.security.

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.security.

> > > > > > > > > > <http://uk.security.

> > > > > > <http://uk.security.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ----------------

----

> > ---

> > > > --

> > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 -

> > > > Release

> > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > 9/15/2006

> > > > > > > > >

> > ________

> > > > > > > > > All new Mail "The new Interface is stunning

in

> > its

> > > > > > > > simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine

> > > > > > > > > http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > <http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --------------------

----

> > -

> > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 -

Release

> > > > Date:

> > > > > > 9/15/2006

> > > > > > >

________

> > > > > > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now.

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<http://www..co.uk/blackberry>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------

-

> > > > -------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release

> > Date:

> > > > 9/15/2006

> > > > >

> > > > > ________

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September 21, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Pradeep,

The root word is "mad" and is applicable to both "I/mine" as in mad-

bhakta, madiya etc, as to "intoxication, passion" etc. Please refer

to monier-williams online dictionary, which, btw, is but a scanned

version of the originalm, though Chandrasekhar ji seems to think

differently. I am sure once you refer to the dictionaries you would

find a lot of phrases giving the meaning of "mada" as

pride/arrogance:--))

If you seriously consider, the root "mad" talks about illusion/false

feelings. Accordingly all the meanings of "mada" are derived from

these roots. Hence the word "mada" can mean intoxication, passion,

pride, conceit all...

I have also not dismissed the other meanings of "mada" (please refer

to my previous emails) and honestly examined whether "mada" as

intoxication, passion etc can form an integral part of the context

of the shloka...whether these are universal phenomena. But I found

that "mada" as indicative of feeling of "ego/I/mine" is more

universal/basic than "mada" as indicative of "intoxocation, passion".

I also request you to examine the "word" in all its connotations, as

applicable to the shloka.

I will wait for your mail on "aham", but may not participate in the

discussions during Navaratri.

Btw, I hope that Chadrasekhar ji understands that "kunda" does not

mean mooladhara...it's kulakunda, and kula refers to mooladhara:--))

Regards,

Lakshmi

September 21, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste all,

I am sorry for the multiple postings. I have pressed the send button

only once and the screen went into "page not found" message. when I

checked up the messages list, i found that two of my messages were

posted twice.

I am sorry again.

Regards,

Lakshmi

September 21, 2006

Dear Divine Lakshmi,

Your mails, so far, do not suggest that you want to see any meaning

other than the verbatim, and sometimes not even that, at present. When I

feel the time is right, I shall certainly tell that to you.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> Please give the tantrik / yogic meaning, so that my understanding

> becomes complete.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > It is apparent you have not understood the yogic meaning behind

> the

> > lalitopakhyana. So our discussions are not likely to bring any

> fruits.

> > It is strange you do apply different meaning to Kunda to suit your

> > arguments. I am sure you will not find the anand on the way of

> Kula

> > patha in "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana" and giving the tantrik

> meaning

> > here would be superfluous.

> >

> > I would prefer if you understand Mother instead of only thinking

> about

> > her. I am sure you can do that if you focus in that direction.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > >

> > > Sir, may i request you to read Lalithopakhyanam? One can

> understand

> > > from where the "chidagni" originated....infact, the entire

> > > concept/context of "chidagni kunda sambhuta".

> > >

> > > I wanted to know your understanding

> > > of "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana". If you can give it, i'd welcome

> > > it, otherwise, please leave it.

> > >

> > > Thanks for making me think so much of Mother.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to read

> > > the

> > > > entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation

> > > combinations

> > > > that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the

> meaning

> > > of

> > > > Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality,

> > > jyotisha and

> > > > tantra.

> > > >

> > > > I can see your view point but would also like to draw your

> > > attention to

> > > > the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

> > > > "cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

> > > > The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit of

> Pure

> > > > copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the Gods.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure this will make you think again the interpretation of

> the

> > > > earlier shlokas in a different light.

> > > >

> > > > As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the quotation

> in

> > > > > Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to a

> new

> > > OS,

> > > > > so my ITrans got wiped out.

> > > > >

> > > > > I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just being

> > > lazy.

> > > > > I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this regard.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka) must

> hit

> > > the

> > > > > dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha, repeatedly,

> > > until it

> > > > > turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe kundalini at

> > > > > Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma

> randhra and

> > > > > unites with shiva thereat, so that it can cause "shubham" and

> > > Amrita

> > > > > varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> > > > > demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with new

> > > > > understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old. The

> text

> > > > > being in

> > > > > > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it through.

> It was

> > > > > indeed

> > > > > > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read some

> > > other

> > > > > verses

> > > > > > not in order. So I assumed that the description is journey

> of

> > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more

> > > comfortable

> > > > > with

> > > > > > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling of "ta" is

> > > done

> > > > > > differently in north and south.

> > > > > > There are many other Devanagari letters where this occurs.

> But

> > > as

> > > > > I said

> > > > > > I can not escape blame on that account.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by inference,

> > > mention

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made

> out by

> > > > > you? That

> > > > > > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is the

> > > natural

> > > > > > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean

> that

> > > she

> > > > > is

> > > > > > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit

> properly.

> > > There

> > > > > > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini

> being

> > > > > activated

> > > > > > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited

> knowledge

> > > > > goes,

> > > > > > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can clearly

> see

> > > > > phrase

> > > > > > > in the quotation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara

> tantra,

> > > > > expanded

> > > > > > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha

> vyaakhya

> > > on the

> > > > > > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection in

> > > giving

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread? Where

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And may I

> know

> > > > > as to

> > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at

> Muladhara

> > > is

> > > > > > > excluded? I

> > > > > > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> > > > > Swadhishthana.

> > > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I could

> try to

> > > > > > > locate the

> > > > > > > > complete verse myself?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem

> > > kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > > > > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha sadya

> > > utpannaa

> > > > > > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa. patim

> > > > > > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte

> > > payovratam

> > > > > > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha varshaNaroopam

> > > anyadapi

> > > > > > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> > > > > agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva

> chandramandalam

> > > > > > > dravateethi

> > > > > > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand that

> > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures

> (utpatti

> > > > > > > avastha)

> > > > > > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham,

> through

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > medium

> > > > > > > > > of agni.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes from

> > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > that you

> > > > > > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is

> inauspicious.

> > > > > That

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag beeja

> and

> > > other

> > > > > > > Kootas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given

> according

> > > to

> > > > > > > kootas,

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not?

> Let's

> > > get

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the rest.

> > > Please

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > worry

> > > > > > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint you,

> and

> > > can

> > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it mean

> the

> > > > > portion

> > > > > > > upto

> > > > > > > > > neck

> > > > > > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha Chakras

> at the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > place,

> > > > > > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all your

> > > > > arguments

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in

> support

> > > of

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented on

> the

> > > > > shloka I

> > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother

> thus...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha

> pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna

> katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to kati

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to feet

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where does

> the

> > > > > head

> > > > > > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is there

> any

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > koota

> > > > > > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face etc?

> Or do

> > > you

> > > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the head!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not talking of

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret even a

> > > simple

> > > > > > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing beyond me,

> > > unless

> > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of us)

> or

> > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage Agasthya

> > > > > intended

> > > > > > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt

> > > kundalini

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > > > > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> > > > > samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is

> like a

> > > > > python

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much grosser

> > > than at

> > > > > > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini is not

> > > agni

> > > > > > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa of "vidyullekha"

> > > happens

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa mukha

> and

> > > is

> > > > > > > ignited

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only head

> but

> > > a

> > > > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face

> indicating

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the

> vagbija

> > > > > protect

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not head.

> And

> > > her

> > > > > > > > > principal

> > > > > > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not sahasrara.

> > > However

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when

> dormant

> > > you

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why the

> HrIm

> > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha, if

> you

> > > > > need the

> > > > > > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand that

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after that

> > > > > certainly

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on

> this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù kuëòalé

> > > devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä

> trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné

> mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta

> k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in

> > > Rudrayamala

> > > > > > > Tantra.

> > > > > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi sangnyaa

> > > > > > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

> > > described

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you have

> read

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body comprises of

> > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term preceding

> > > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and

> not "MahashakthiH"

> > > and

> > > > > > > talks of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with

> > > Shiva....mahe

> > > > > > > utsave

> > > > > > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH

> > > tatparataa

> > > > > > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa tantu

> > > > > taneeyasee"

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt unawakened

> > > > > kundalini,

> > > > > > > > > let me

> > > > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > > > > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka!

> wake up

> > > (

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended discussion

> on

> > > > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust), krodha

> > > > > (anger),

> > > > > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada (pride)

> and

> > > > > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what

> does "kaama"

> > > imply

> > > > > > > among

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one who is

> > > > > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and avidya

> > > > > swaroopini"

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes

> > > understanding

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power which

> > > can be

> > > > > > > routed

> > > > > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are both

> ends

> > > the

> > > > > > > same?

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense shakti to

> good

> > > > > use,

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and

> > > Parvati,

> > > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it

> ensures

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the orientation of

> > > > > Shakti is

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both

> sattwik

> > > and

> > > > > > > krura. I

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including Jupiter,

> can

> > > give

> > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to do

> so.

> > > You

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important than

> > > > > winning or

> > > > > > > > > losing

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must proceed

> as

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is not

> the

> > > > > case, I

> > > > > > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at an

> early

> > > > > age are

> > > > > > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu but

> did

> > > > > not die

> > > > > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you have

> read

> > > > > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times

> > > despite of

> > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for Rama's

> > > chart

> > > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta results.

> I

> > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the way

> if

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine wife?

> Please

> > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that)

> into

> > > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the

> > > discussions

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to no

> > > where.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying to

> time

> > > an

> > > > > > > event but

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas

> occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's

> chart

> > > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the

> Ketu

> > > deha

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the

> way you

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer for

> him,

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun being

> Atma

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the thread

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > > topic,

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana

> Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in

> Swami

> > > > > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna and

> > > causing

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the

> Swamiji

> > > > > lived,

> > > > > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not act

> as

> > > > > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji,

> also,

> > > > > before

> > > > > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> > > > > icchamrityu

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I

> observe

> > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

> Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30 pm) -

> 1909-

> > > 02-

> > > > > 10

> > > > > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30 am) -

> > > 1903-

> > > > > 08-27

> > > > > > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07 pm) -

> 1902-

> > > 09-

> > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48 am) -

> 1902-

> > > 07-

> > > > > 07

> > > > > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

> > > 1902-

> > > > > 07-06

> > > > > > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

> 1902-07-

> > > 05

> > > > > > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from Moon,

> > > Venus

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from lagna,

> Ketu

> > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and

> Saturn

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the

> maraka

> > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause of

> his

> > > early

> > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes into

> all

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as AK

> > > > > aspecting 7th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can you

> > > ignore

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring in the

> > > 10th

> > > > > > > house? I

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him parivraja

> > > yoga:--

> > > > > ))

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level

> impact

> > > he

> > > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what

> happened to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with exalted

> Mars

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha, and I

> > > think

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like

> Sita. You

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look at

> the

> > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons

> already

> > > > > stated

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as

> belonging to

> > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or

> > > otherwise

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died following a

> > > > > malignant

> > > > > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava in

> 8th in

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him benevolent

> > > results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request you to

> > > > > examine

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind. Sun

> is the

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri

> Ramana's

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> > > > > effects...all of

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka in

> 7th

> > > > > house and

> > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars. Mar's

> > > > > effect,

> > > > > > > if at

> > > > > > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the

> killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

> Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22 am) -

> 1955-

> > > 02-

> > > > > 03

> > > > > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) -

> 1951-

> > > 02-

> > > > > 21

> > > > > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04 am) -

> 1950-

> > > 05-

> > > > > 18

> > > > > > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16 am) -

> 1950-

> > > 04-

> > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

> > > 1950-

> > > > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

> 1950-

> > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the fact

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about

> death. I

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a dasa

> > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to

> consider

> > > the

> > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other

> > > charts/issues

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find Mars

> > > > > strong as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of

> debility

> > > even

> > > > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn

> Viparitam

> > > shane

> > > > > > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not

> > > considered

> > > > > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are debilitated.

> > > > > Please go

> > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about Saturn

> and

> > > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust you

> are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary

> background

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much known

> for

> > > its

> > > > > soft

> > > > > > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong

> Malefics

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a

> P.M.

> > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be naive to

> > > imagine

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by

> Parashara or

> > > all

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over different

> parts

> > > of

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The

> sages

> > > > > gave us

> > > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life

> horoscope

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the

> shloka

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is from

> an

> > > old

> > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do not

> seem

> > > to

> > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is said

> by

> > > Dr.

> > > > > > > Raman,

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet want

> the

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing with

> > > Shri

> > > > > B.V.

> > > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics

> give

> > > good

> > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps you

> also

> > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas.

> Isn't it

> > > > > > > contrary to

> > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few examples,

> > > where I

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the natives

> krura

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong sun

> in

> > > > > lagna and

> > > > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun in

> 2nd

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi: exalted

> Mars

> > > in

> > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong Mars

> in 8th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa:

> > > Exalted

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted in

> rasi,

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the

> reference

> > > > > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance, refer

> to

> > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree

> strong

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where the

> > > saying

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and

> understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%

> > > > > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets the

> > > saying

> > > > > is,

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura (Maha-

> > > krura)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more krura

> when

> > > > > weak

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama shaneH

> > > > > smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar

> ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started

> when I

> > > > > was 9

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How come you

> > > didn't

> > > > > > > notice

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to understand

> the

> > > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you agree

> that

> > > > > Rahu is

> > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are

> exceptionally

> > > > > good,

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows

> that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my

> chart

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially

> when

> > > weak,

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"), while

> > > strong

> > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun were

> > > weak,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is

> hopelessly

> > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major

> > > results of

> > > > > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga are

> also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun, because

> > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet with

> higher

> > > > > > > shadbala

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I

> request

> > > > > you to

> > > > > > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again.

> When he

> > > > > died,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the noblest

> > > > > persons in

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened because

> > > > > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately

> wanted to

> > > > > learn

> > > > > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> > > > > Duryodhana.

> > > > > > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay dearly.

> But

> > > > > it's to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only to

> > > please

> > > > > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain anything

> > > > > personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the 3rd

> house

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In the

> > > natural

> > > > > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth sign,

> > > > > represents

> > > > > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by

> Yama,

> > > the

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial

> grounds.

> > > > > So, the

> > > > > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south. Also,

> Sun

> > > > > > > resides in

> > > > > > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage from

> here.

> > > So

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that

> when I

> > > > > > > referred to

> > > > > > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status as

> > > > > antaraatma

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last post

> on the

> > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40> <%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too young

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that

> your

> > > > > father

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades

> during

> > > that

> > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at a

> young

> > > > > age of

> > > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > > or so

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am

> relieved

> > > you

> > > > > > > did not

> > > > > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970

> period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are talking

> about

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> > > > > conjunction, as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding

> Sun its

> > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is malefic

> not

> > > > > because I

> > > > > > > > > say so

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is malefic

> when

> > > > > > > conjunct a

> > > > > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the

> apex of

> > > > > Artha

> > > > > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn

> money.

> > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush

> sthana

> > > > > (8th)

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death. But

> 8th

> > > is

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called

> Smashana.

> > > If

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and why

> > > would

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > be at

> > > > > > > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he can

> not

> > > > > > > represent

> > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> Chandrasekhar

> > > ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was

> > > excellent

> > > > > > > too. My

> > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college days

> > > were

> > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability in

> > > creative

> > > > > > > > > writing,

> > > > > > > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies. So,

> for a

> > > > > > > student, I

> > > > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you justify

> > > this,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka

> results,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you

> think

> > > Rahu

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that mercury

> is

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also

> > > represent

> > > > > > > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is

> that a

> > > > > place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra represents

> all

> > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > bodies,

> > > > > > > > > > > so why

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Dear Divine Lakshmi,

Though I would not like to write further on this, but as you commented:

" Btw, I hope that Chadrasekhar ji understands that "kunda" does not

mean mooladhara...it's kulakunda, and kula refers to mooladhara:--))"

Here is something to ponder over. There is a relation between the

location of Muladhara and the shape of Kunda. Since this is not an

anatomy forum, I can not go beyond this. And meaning of the word Kula

might surprise you. Also think about what is meant by Kaula.

Chandrashekhar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> The root word is "mad" and is applicable to both "I/mine" as in mad-

> bhakta, madiya etc, as to "intoxication, passion" etc. Please refer

> to monier-williams online dictionary, which, btw, is but a scanned

> version of the originalm, though Chandrasekhar ji seems to think

> differently. I am sure once you refer to the dictionaries you would

> find a lot of phrases giving the meaning of "mada" as

> pride/arrogance:--))

>

> If you seriously consider, the root "mad" talks about illusion/false

> feelings. Accordingly all the meanings of "mada" are derived from

> these roots. Hence the word "mada" can mean intoxication, passion,

> pride, conceit all...

>

> I have also not dismissed the other meanings of "mada" (please refer

> to my previous emails) and honestly examined whether "mada" as

> intoxication, passion etc can form an integral part of the context

> of the shloka...whether these are universal phenomena. But I found

> that "mada" as indicative of feeling of "ego/I/mine" is more

> universal/basic than "mada" as indicative of "intoxocation, passion".

>

> I also request you to examine the "word" in all its connotations, as

> applicable to the shloka.

>

> I will wait for your mail on "aham", but may not participate in the

> discussions during Navaratri.

>

> Btw, I hope that Chadrasekhar ji understands that "kunda" does not

> mean mooladhara...it's kulakunda, and kula refers to mooladhara:--))

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

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September 22, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

I am indeed glad to see this change of stance from some one who was

insisting on "Aaanana" being only face:--))need i say more?

Instead of hedging issues, saying that "i can, but won't", why don't

you for a change, go ahead and interpret the phrase, from any/all of

the philosophical/yogic/tantrik/anatomical perspectives? there are

people other than myself on the list, who can appreciate your

wisdom. I can also honestly try.

So far, i observe that you have not explained a single phrase,

despite my repeated requests, either pertaining to the shloka you've

quoted yourself, or otherwise.

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> Your mails, so far, do not suggest that you want to see any

meaning

> other than the verbatim, and sometimes not even that, at present.

When I

> feel the time is right, I shall certainly tell that to you.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > Please give the tantrik / yogic meaning, so that my understanding

> > becomes complete.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > It is apparent you have not understood the yogic meaning behind

> > the

> > > lalitopakhyana. So our discussions are not likely to bring any

> > fruits.

> > > It is strange you do apply different meaning to Kunda to suit

your

> > > arguments. I am sure you will not find the anand on the way of

> > Kula

> > > patha in "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana" and giving the tantrik

> > meaning

> > > here would be superfluous.

> > >

> > > I would prefer if you understand Mother instead of only

thinking

> > about

> > > her. I am sure you can do that if you focus in that direction.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir, may i request you to read Lalithopakhyanam? One can

> > understand

> > > > from where the "chidagni" originated....infact, the entire

> > > > concept/context of "chidagni kunda sambhuta".

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to know your understanding

> > > > of "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana". If you can give it, i'd

welcome

> > > > it, otherwise, please leave it.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for making me think so much of Mother.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to

read

> > > > the

> > > > > entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation

> > > > combinations

> > > > > that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the

> > meaning

> > > > of

> > > > > Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality,

> > > > jyotisha and

> > > > > tantra.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can see your view point but would also like to draw your

> > > > attention to

> > > > > the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

> > > > > "cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

> > > > > The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit

of

> > Pure

> > > > > copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the

Gods.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure this will make you think again the

interpretation of

> > the

> > > > > earlier shlokas in a different light.

> > > > >

> > > > > As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the

quotation

> > in

> > > > > > Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to

a

> > new

> > > > OS,

> > > > > > so my ITrans got wiped out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just

being

> > > > lazy.

> > > > > > I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this

regard.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka)

must

> > hit

> > > > the

> > > > > > dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha,

repeatedly,

> > > > until it

> > > > > > turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe

kundalini at

> > > > > > Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma

> > randhra and

> > > > > > unites with shiva thereat, so that it can

cause "shubham" and

> > > > Amrita

> > > > > > varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> > > > > > demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with

new

> > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old.

The

> > text

> > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it

through.

> > It was

> > > > > > indeed

> > > > > > > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read

some

> > > > other

> > > > > > verses

> > > > > > > not in order. So I assumed that the description is

journey

> > of

> > > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more

> > > > comfortable

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling

of "ta" is

> > > > done

> > > > > > > differently in north and south.

> > > > > > > There are many other Devanagari letters where this

occurs.

> > But

> > > > as

> > > > > > I said

> > > > > > > I can not escape blame on that account.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by

inference,

> > > > mention

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made

> > out by

> > > > > > you? That

> > > > > > > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean

> > that

> > > > she

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit

> > properly.

> > > > There

> > > > > > > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini

> > being

> > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited

> > knowledge

> > > > > > goes,

> > > > > > > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can

clearly

> > see

> > > > > > phrase

> > > > > > > > in the quotation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara

> > tantra,

> > > > > > expanded

> > > > > > > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha

> > vyaakhya

> > > > on the

> > > > > > > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection

in

> > > > giving

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread?

Where

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And

may I

> > know

> > > > > > as to

> > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at

> > Muladhara

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > excluded? I

> > > > > > > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> > > > > > Swadhishthana.

> > > > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I

could

> > try to

> > > > > > > > locate the

> > > > > > > > > complete verse myself?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem

> > > > kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > > > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > > > > > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > > > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha

sadya

> > > > utpannaa

> > > > > > > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee

kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > > > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa.

patim

> > > > > > > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte

> > > > payovratam

> > > > > > > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam

koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > > > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha

varshaNaroopam

> > > > anyadapi

> > > > > > > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> > > > > > agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > > > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva

> > chandramandalam

> > > > > > > > dravateethi

> > > > > > > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand

that

> > > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures

> > (utpatti

> > > > > > > > avastha)

> > > > > > > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham,

> > through

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > medium

> > > > > > > > > > of agni.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes

from

> > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > > that you

> > > > > > > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is

> > inauspicious.

> > > > > > That

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag

beeja

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > Kootas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given

> > according

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > kootas,

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not?

> > Let's

> > > > get

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the

rest.

> > > > Please

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > worry

> > > > > > > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint

you,

> > and

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it

mean

> > the

> > > > > > portion

> > > > > > > > upto

> > > > > > > > > > neck

> > > > > > > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha

Chakras

> > at the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > place,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all

your

> > > > > > arguments

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in

> > support

> > > > of

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented

on

> > the

> > > > > > shloka I

> > > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother

> > thus...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha

> > pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota

swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna

> > katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to

kati

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to

feet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where

does

> > the

> > > > > > head

> > > > > > > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is

there

> > any

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > koota

> > > > > > > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face

etc?

> > Or do

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the

head!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not

talking of

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret

even a

> > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing

beyond me,

> > > > unless

> > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of

us)

> > or

> > > > want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage

Agasthya

> > > > > > intended

> > > > > > > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt

> > > > kundalini

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > > > > > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> > > > > > samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is

> > like a

> > > > > > python

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much

grosser

> > > > than at

> > > > > > > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini

is not

> > > > agni

> > > > > > > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa

of "vidyullekha"

> > > > happens

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa

mukha

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > ignited

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only

head

> > but

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face

> > indicating

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the

> > vagbija

> > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not

head.

> > And

> > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > principal

> > > > > > > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not

sahasrara.

> > > > However

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when

> > dormant

> > > > you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why

the

> > HrIm

> > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha,

if

> > you

> > > > > > need the

> > > > > > > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand

that

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after

that

> > > > > > certainly

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on

> > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù

kuëòalé

> > > > devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä

> > trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné

> > mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta

> > k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > > > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in

> > > > Rudrayamala

> > > > > > > > Tantra.

> > > > > > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi

sangnyaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

> > > > described

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you

have

> > read

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body

comprises of

> > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term

preceding

> > > > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and

> > not "MahashakthiH"

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > talks of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with

> > > > Shiva....mahe

> > > > > > > > utsave

> > > > > > > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH

> > > > tatparataa

> > > > > > > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa

tantu

> > > > > > taneeyasee"

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt

unawakened

> > > > > > kundalini,

> > > > > > > > > > let me

> > > > > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey

Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > > > > > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka!

> > wake up

> > > > (

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended

discussion

> > on

> > > > > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust),

krodha

> > > > > > (anger),

> > > > > > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada

(pride)

> > and

> > > > > > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what

> > does "kaama"

> > > > imply

> > > > > > > > among

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one

who is

> > > > > > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and

avidya

> > > > > > swaroopini"

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power

which

> > > > can be

> > > > > > > > routed

> > > > > > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are

both

> > ends

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > same?

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense

shakti to

> > good

> > > > > > use,

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and

> > > > Parvati,

> > > > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it

> > ensures

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the

orientation of

> > > > > > Shakti is

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both

> > sattwik

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > krura. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including

Jupiter,

> > can

> > > > give

> > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to

do

> > so.

> > > > You

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important

than

> > > > > > winning or

> > > > > > > > > > losing

> > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must

proceed

> > as

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is

not

> > the

> > > > > > case, I

> > > > > > > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at

an

> > early

> > > > > > age are

> > > > > > > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu

but

> > did

> > > > > > not die

> > > > > > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you

have

> > read

> > > > > > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times

> > > > despite of

> > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for

Rama's

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta

results.

> > I

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the

way

> > if

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine

wife?

> > Please

> > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that)

> > into

> > > > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the

> > > > discussions

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to

no

> > > > where.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying

to

> > time

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > event but

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas

> > occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's

> > chart

> > > > you

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the

> > Ketu

> > > > deha

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the

> > way you

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer

for

> > him,

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun

being

> > Atma

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the

thread

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > topic,

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana

> > Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in

> > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna

and

> > > > causing

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the

> > Swamiji

> > > > > > lived,

> > > > > > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not

act

> > as

> > > > > > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji,

> > also,

> > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> > > > > > icchamrityu

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I

> > observe

> > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

> > Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30

pm) -

> > 1909-

> > > > 02-

> > > > > > 10

> > > > > > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30

am) -

> > > > 1903-

> > > > > > 08-27

> > > > > > > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07

pm) -

> > 1902-

> > > > 09-

> > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48

am) -

> > 1902-

> > > > 07-

> > > > > > 07

> > > > > > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27

pm) -

> > > > 1902-

> > > > > > 07-06

> > > > > > > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

> > 1902-07-

> > > > 05

> > > > > > > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from

Moon,

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from

lagna,

> > Ketu

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and

> > Saturn

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the

> > maraka

> > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause

of

> > his

> > > > early

> > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes

into

> > all

> > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as

AK

> > > > > > aspecting 7th

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can

you

> > > > ignore

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring

in the

> > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > house? I

> > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him

parivraja

> > > > yoga:--

> > > > > > ))

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level

> > impact

> > > > he

> > > > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what

> > happened to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with

exalted

> > Mars

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha,

and I

> > > > think

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like

> > Sita. You

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look

at

> > the

> > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons

> > already

> > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as

> > belonging to

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or

> > > > otherwise

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died

following a

> > > > > > malignant

> > > > > > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava

in

> > 8th in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him

benevolent

> > > > results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request

you to

> > > > > > examine

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind.

Sun

> > is the

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri

> > Ramana's

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> > > > > > effects...all of

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka

in

> > 7th

> > > > > > house and

> > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars.

Mar's

> > > > > > effect,

> > > > > > > > if at

> > > > > > > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the

> > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

> > Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22

am) -

> > 1955-

> > > > 02-

> > > > > > 03

> > > > > > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04

am) -

> > 1951-

> > > > 02-

> > > > > > 21

> > > > > > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04

am) -

> > 1950-

> > > > 05-

> > > > > > 18

> > > > > > > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16

am) -

> > 1950-

> > > > 04-

> > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34

pm) -

> > > > 1950-

> > > > > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

> > 1950-

> > > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the

fact

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about

> > death. I

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a

dasa

> > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to

> > consider

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other

> > > > charts/issues

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's

chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find

Mars

> > > > > > strong as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of

> > debility

> > > > even

> > > > > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn

> > Viparitam

> > > > shane

> > > > > > > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier

mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not

> > > > considered

> > > > > > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are

debilitated.

> > > > > > Please go

> > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about

Saturn

> > and

> > > > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust

you

> > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary

> > background

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much

known

> > for

> > > > its

> > > > > > soft

> > > > > > > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong

> > Malefics

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a

> > P.M.

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be

naive to

> > > > imagine

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by

> > Parashara or

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over

different

> > parts

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The

> > sages

> > > > > > gave us

> > > > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life

> > horoscope

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the

> > shloka

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is

from

> > an

> > > > old

> > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do

not

> > seem

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is

said

> > by

> > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > Raman,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet

want

> > the

> > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing

with

> > > > Shri

> > > > > > B.V.

> > > > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics

> > give

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps

you

> > also

> > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas.

> > Isn't it

> > > > > > > > contrary to

> > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few

examples,

> > > > where I

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the

natives

> > krura

> > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong

sun

> > in

> > > > > > lagna and

> > > > > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun

in

> > 2nd

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi:

exalted

> > Mars

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong

Mars

> > in 8th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa:

> > > > Exalted

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted

in

> > rasi,

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the

> > reference

> > > > > > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance,

refer

> > to

> > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree

> > strong

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where

the

> > > > saying

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and

> > understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

<chandrashekhar46%

> > > > > > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets

the

> > > > saying

> > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura

grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura

(Maha-

> > > > krura)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more

krura

> > when

> > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama

shaneH

> > > > > > smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

Chandrasekhar

> > ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started

> > when I

> > > > > > was 9

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How

come you

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > notice

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to

understand

> > the

> > > > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure,

I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you

agree

> > that

> > > > > > Rahu is

> > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are

> > exceptionally

> > > > > > good,

> > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows

> > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my

> > chart

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially

> > when

> > > > weak,

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"),

while

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun

were

> > > > weak,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is

> > hopelessly

> > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major

> > > > results of

> > > > > > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga

are

> > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun,

because

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet

with

> > higher

> > > > > > > > shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I

> > request

> > > > > > you to

> > > > > > > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again.

> > When he

> > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the

noblest

> > > > > > persons in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened

because

> > > > > > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately

> > wanted to

> > > > > > learn

> > > > > > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> > > > > > Duryodhana.

> > > > > > > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable

and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay

dearly.

> > But

> > > > > > it's to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only

to

> > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain

anything

> > > > > > personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the

3rd

> > house

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a

typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth

sign,

> > > > > > represents

> > > > > > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by

> > Yama,

> > > > the

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial

> > grounds.

> > > > > > So, the

> > > > > > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south.

Also,

> > Sun

> > > > > > > > resides in

> > > > > > > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage

from

> > here.

> > > > So

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that

> > when I

> > > > > > > > referred to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status

as

> > > > > > antaraatma

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your

attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last

post

> > on the

> > > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

<%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

<%

> > > > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine

Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too

young

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that

> > your

> > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades

> > during

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know

you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at

a

> > young

> > > > > > age of

> > > > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > > > or so

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am

> > relieved

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > did not

> > > > > > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970

> > period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are

talking

> > about

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> > > > > > conjunction, as

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding

> > Sun its

> > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is

malefic

> > not

> > > > > > because I

> > > > > > > > > > say so

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is

malefic

> > when

> > > > > > > > conjunct a

> > > > > > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the

> > apex of

> > > > > > Artha

> > > > > > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved

with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn

> > money.

> > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush

> > sthana

> > > > > > (8th)

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death.

But

> > 8th

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called

> > Smashana.

> > > > If

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would

it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and

why

> > > > would

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > be at

> > > > > > > > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he

can

> > not

> > > > > > > > represent

> > > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > Chandrasekhar

> > > > ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was

> > > > excellent

> > > > > > > > too. My

> > > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion

(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college

days

> > > > were

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability

in

> > > > creative

> > > > > > > > > > writing,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies.

So,

> > for a

> > > > > > > > student, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you

justify

> > > > this,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka

> > results,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you

> > think

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that

mercury

> > is

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also

> > > > represent

> > > > > > > > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is

> > that a

> > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

represents

> > all

> > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > bodies,

> > > > > > > > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated

===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam?

Mail

> > has

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > protection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <>

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September 22, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

I am indeed glad to see this change of stance from some one who was

insisting on "Aaanana" being only face:--))need i say more?

Instead of hedging issues, saying that "i can, but won't", why don't

you for a change, go ahead and interpret the phrase, from any/all of

the philosophical/yogic/tantrik/anatomical perspectives? there are

people other than myself on the list, who can appreciate your

wisdom. I can also honestly try.

So far, i observe that you have not explained a single phrase,

despite my repeated requests, either pertaining to the shloka you've

quoted yourself, or otherwise.

Regards,

Lakshmi

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> Your mails, so far, do not suggest that you want to see any

meaning

> other than the verbatim, and sometimes not even that, at present.

When I

> feel the time is right, I shall certainly tell that to you.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> >

> > Please give the tantrik / yogic meaning, so that my understanding

> > becomes complete.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > It is apparent you have not understood the yogic meaning behind

> > the

> > > lalitopakhyana. So our discussions are not likely to bring any

> > fruits.

> > > It is strange you do apply different meaning to Kunda to suit

your

> > > arguments. I am sure you will not find the anand on the way of

> > Kula

> > > patha in "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana" and giving the tantrik

> > meaning

> > > here would be superfluous.

> > >

> > > I would prefer if you understand Mother instead of only

thinking

> > about

> > > her. I am sure you can do that if you focus in that direction.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sir, may i request you to read Lalithopakhyanam? One can

> > understand

> > > > from where the "chidagni" originated....infact, the entire

> > > > concept/context of "chidagni kunda sambhuta".

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to know your understanding

> > > > of "kulapathaanandaikabeejanana". If you can give it, i'd

welcome

> > > > it, otherwise, please leave it.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for making me think so much of Mother.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the fault lies with me and my age in not trying to

read

> > > > the

> > > > > entire shlokas through and trying out all the permutation

> > > > combinations

> > > > > that I normally do before come to any conclusion as to the

> > meaning

> > > > of

> > > > > Sanskrit Shlokas, especially those to do with spirituality,

> > > > jyotisha and

> > > > > tantra.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can see your view point but would also like to draw your

> > > > attention to

> > > > > the beginning of Shri Lalita SN which says,

> > > > > "cidagnI kunDa sambhUtaa devakaarya samudyataa"

> > > > > The nearest translation is one who is born in the fire pit

of

> > Pure

> > > > > copiousness and intent on fulfillment of wishes of the

Gods.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure this will make you think again the

interpretation of

> > the

> > > > > earlier shlokas in a different light.

> > > > >

> > > > > As you request, let us move ahead with other topics.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps it was incorrect of me not to type out the

quotation

> > in

> > > > > > Itrans. Ramesh recently upgraded /migrated the system to

a

> > new

> > > > OS,

> > > > > > so my ITrans got wiped out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I could have installed it again, but I guess I was just

being

> > > > lazy.

> > > > > > I am sorry I have caused you inconvenience in this

regard.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, the shloka/quotation says that one (the sadhaka)

must

> > hit

> > > > the

> > > > > > dormant kundalini with the agni of one's iccha,

repeatedly,

> > > > until it

> > > > > > turns up and starts to move. The immature/unripe

kundalini at

> > > > > > Mooladhara, matures in the process of reaching brahma

> > randhra and

> > > > > > unites with shiva thereat, so that it can

cause "shubham" and

> > > > Amrita

> > > > > > varsha. Agni causes this transformation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure you understand the allegory & the process of

> > > > > > demagnetization of kundalini involved here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, I have only one request, let's move on ahead with

new

> > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That was certainly my fault. Signs of me getting old.

The

> > text

> > > > > > being in

> > > > > > > roman script, I was deficient in not reading it

through.

> > It was

> > > > > > indeed

> > > > > > > negligent of me to read the first verse and then read

some

> > > > other

> > > > > > verses

> > > > > > > not in order. So I assumed that the description is

journey

> > of

> > > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > or Chitashakti, from Sawdhishthana onwards. I am more

> > > > comfortable

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > Devanagari or ULW Palladio fonts as the spelling

of "ta" is

> > > > done

> > > > > > > differently in north and south.

> > > > > > > There are many other Devanagari letters where this

occurs.

> > But

> > > > as

> > > > > > I said

> > > > > > > I can not escape blame on that account.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way does the shloka specifically, or by

inference,

> > > > mention

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > Kundalini in Kulakunda is inauspicious as is being made

> > out by

> > > > > > you? That

> > > > > > > is the basic question. Kindly let me know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The very word Kula Kunda indicates that the Kunda is

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > dwelling of the Kula or Shakti. So does the shloka mean

> > that

> > > > she

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > inauspicious in own abode? Kindly enlighten.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps you have not read/understood the sanskrit

> > properly.

> > > > There

> > > > > > > > are references to kundalini being dormant, kundalini

> > being

> > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > kundalini becoming auspicious. As far as my limited

> > knowledge

> > > > > > goes,

> > > > > > > > kulakunda is "mooladhara" and I am sure you can

clearly

> > see

> > > > > > phrase

> > > > > > > > in the quotation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reference is taken originally from Sanatkumaara

> > tantra,

> > > > > > expanded

> > > > > > > > in soubhagya bhaskaram and forms part of vishesha

> > vyaakhya

> > > > on the

> > > > > > > > phrase "bisa tantu taneeyasee".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you want the entire vyaakhya, i have no objection

in

> > > > giving

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you not deviating from the original thread?

Where

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > to the dormant Kundalini being inauspicious? And

may I

> > know

> > > > > > as to

> > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > the shloka describing the state of Kundalini at

> > Muladhara

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > excluded? I

> > > > > > > > > am sure you know that Kundalini does not arise from

> > > > > > Swadhishthana.

> > > > > > > > Would

> > > > > > > > > you bekind enough to quote the source sothat I

could

> > try to

> > > > > > > > locate the

> > > > > > > > > complete verse myself?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "agnim swaadhistaanagataagnitejomayeem

> > > > kundalineemichhdhwam.

> > > > > > > > > > icchaadandenaahatyothapayadhwam....athaeva

> > > > > > > > rodanaavasthasaahityaat.

> > > > > > > > > > kulakundaadutthaapanasyotpatti roopatwaaccha

sadya

> > > > utpannaa

> > > > > > > > > > kumaareetyuchyathe. yoshittaruNee

kaarunyalakshaNaa

> > > > > > > > > > sooryeNaahtaaduparibhaage saahityaatpativrataa.

patim

> > > > > > > > > > brahmarandhrastham kaameshwaram vratayati bhunkte

> > > > payovratam

> > > > > > > > > > braahmaNasyethi prayogaaccha evam

koumaarataaruNya

> > > > > > > > > > sambhogairarishtam shubham peeyusha

varshaNaroopam

> > > > anyadapi

> > > > > > > > > > yatkinchitsaakriyathe karoti tatsarvam

> > > > > > agnisswaadhisthaanagatho

> > > > > > > > > > anuvedhati saadhayathi. agnijwalanenaiva

> > chandramandalam

> > > > > > > > dravateethi

> > > > > > > > > > bhavaH"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure you can translate this and understand

that

> > > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > the ability to do "shubham" only when it matures

> > (utpatti

> > > > > > > > avastha)

> > > > > > > > > > and unites with Shiva causing the amrita varsham,

> > through

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > medium

> > > > > > > > > > of agni.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please let me have one of the dozens of quotes

from

> > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > > that you

> > > > > > > > > > > have that state that dormant Kundalini is

> > inauspicious.

> > > > > > That

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > enlighten me. Then we will take up the Vag

beeja

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > Kootas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me in the body divisions given

> > according

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > kootas,

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the head/face part of Vagbhava koota or not?

> > Let's

> > > > get

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > straight

> > > > > > > > > > > > first, then we can discuss chakras and the

rest.

> > > > Please

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > worry

> > > > > > > > > > > > about quotes, because I will not disappoint

you,

> > and

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > > > them by the ton:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When one is said to be "beheaded" does it

mean

> > the

> > > > > > portion

> > > > > > > > upto

> > > > > > > > > > neck

> > > > > > > > > > > > or the portion upto forehead?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not splitting hairs here?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you think Sahasrara and Vishuddha

Chakras

> > at the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > place,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pankaja refers to head and not face, all

your

> > > > > > arguments

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately they are not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I see that you have not given anything in

> > support

> > > > of

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > argument

> > > > > > > > > > > > > barring conjectures and have not commented

on

> > the

> > > > > > shloka I

> > > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Sahasranaamam describes Mother

> > thus...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srimadvaagbhavakootaika swaroopamukha

> > pankajaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kanthaadhakatiparyanta madhyakoota

swaroopini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaktikootaikathaapanna

> > katyadhobhaagadhaariNi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The three divisions are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vagbhava koota - the face/head

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Madhya/kamaraaja koota - from neck to

kati

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti koota - the portion after kati to

feet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in this division, where

does

> > the

> > > > > > head

> > > > > > > > > > come...in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vagbhava koota or in shakti koota? Is

there

> > any

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > koota

> > > > > > > > > > > > defined

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the head/rear portion of the face

etc?

> > Or do

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother has only a face without the

head!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know very well that we are not

talking of

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > mappings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. Yet why you choose to interpret

even a

> > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > > principle in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this strange fashion is some thing

beyond me,

> > > > unless

> > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confused yourself (can happen to all of

us)

> > or

> > > > want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > confuse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > others (no comments).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If either Bhagavan Hayagriva or Sage

Agasthya

> > > > > > intended

> > > > > > > > > > that "bisa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tantu taneeyasi" should be understood wrt

> > > > kundalini

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > Mooladhara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also they would have put it immediately

> > > > > > > > after "mooladharaika

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nilayaa.. and not after "shatchakropari

> > > > > > samsthithaa".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse, I do not mean that Kundalini is

> > like a

> > > > > > python

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara:--)), but definitely much

grosser

> > > > than at

> > > > > > > > > > sahasraara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Btw, I am sure you know that kundalini

is not

> > > > agni

> > > > > > > > > > tattwatmika at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mooladhara. The agnitattwa

of "vidyullekha"

> > > > happens

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > swadhisthana, because agni is oordhwa

mukha

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > ignited

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Kundalini turns upwards.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Vag beeja kuta is not only

head

> > but

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchadhasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra and referred to as maa's face

> > indicating

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > vacha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raajrajeshwari Kavacha prays that the

> > vagbija

> > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > throat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the head as you imply. Certainly not

head.

> > And

> > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > principal

> > > > > > > > > > > > abode

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be Mulaadhara and not

sahasrara.

> > > > However

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > distort

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this to mean she is inauspicious when

> > dormant

> > > > you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > free to

> > > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would however request you to think why

the

> > HrIm

> > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her and not the AiM beeja (Devi Patha,

if

> > you

> > > > > > need the

> > > > > > > > > > > > reference).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would perhaps be well to understand

that

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > coiled

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form and "Visa Tantu..." coming after

that

> > > > > > certainly

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you want to think it does.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, please contemplate on

> > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaxare prdevta Éìjntax> k...{flI devta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ädhäre paradevatä bhavrajanatädhaù

kuëòalé

> > > > devatä

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devanamixdevta iÇjgtamanNdpuÃiSwta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devänämadhidevatä

> > trijagatämänandapuïjasthitä|

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mUlaxarinvaisnI iÇrm[i ya }ainnI mailnI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mülädhäraniväsiné triramaëé yä jïäniné

> > mäliné

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa me mat&mnuiSwta

> > k...lpwanNdEkbIjanna.32,21.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sä me mätåmanusthitä

> > > > > > > > kulapathänandaikabéjänanä||32|21||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how Kundalini is described in

> > > > Rudrayamala

> > > > > > > > Tantra.

> > > > > > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is wrong?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "vagbhavabeejasya kundalineethi

sangnyaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > thadroopa"...Kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > preceding "bisa tantu taneeyasee" is

> > > > described

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or "aim" (saraswati) beeja. As you

have

> > read

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > yamalas, i

> > > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know which part of body

comprises of

> > > > > > vagbhava

> > > > > > > > > > > > koota...it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > head!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me also explain the term

preceding

> > > > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's "mahaasakthiH" and

> > not "MahashakthiH"

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > talks of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eagerness of Mother to unite with

> > > > Shiva....mahe

> > > > > > > > utsave

> > > > > > > > > > > > tatratya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shivashaktisamaayogaroope aasakthiH

> > > > tatparataa

> > > > > > > > yasyaaH.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this enough to show that "bisa

tantu

> > > > > > taneeyasee"

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > climactic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name of shakti in ascension?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Devi worshippers wrt

unawakened

> > > > > > kundalini,

> > > > > > > > > > let me

> > > > > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sentence.....hey

Srividyopaasakaah.

> > > > > > > > uttishtatha.

> > > > > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swaptha....meaning o srividyopaasaka!

> > wake up

> > > > (

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > kundalini).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let it sleep!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this extended

discussion

> > on

> > > > > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking leave.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > > > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shadripus are kaama (lust),

krodha

> > > > > > (anger),

> > > > > > > > lobha

> > > > > > > > > > > > (greed),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (attachment, delusion), mada

(pride)

> > and

> > > > > > maatsarya

> > > > > > > > > > > > (jealousy)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If "mada" means "lust" what

> > does "kaama"

> > > > imply

> > > > > > > > among

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadripus? "Mada" signifies one

who is

> > > > > > > > > > intoxicated/drunk

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power/self-grandeur (pride/ego).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother is known as "Vidya and

avidya

> > > > > > swaroopini"

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation of Mother includes

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > > facets.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shakti, She respresents raw power

which

> > > > can be

> > > > > > > > routed

> > > > > > > > > > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deeds as well as bad deeds. Are

both

> > ends

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > same?

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to put this immense

shakti to

> > good

> > > > > > use,

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva, hence the union of Shiva and

> > > > Parvati,

> > > > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > power,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be auspicious because it

> > ensures

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > correct/judicious

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use of shakti. Hence the

orientation of

> > > > > > Shakti is

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always said that Soorya is both

> > sattwik

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > krura. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said all planets, including

Jupiter,

> > can

> > > > give

> > > > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are functionally empowered to

do

> > so.

> > > > You

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > refer

> > > > > > > > > > > > to all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous mails to confirm this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Truth is much more important

than

> > > > > > winning or

> > > > > > > > > > losing

> > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > argument. All discussions must

proceed

> > as

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > exploration

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebration of Truth. When this is

not

> > the

> > > > > > case, I

> > > > > > > > > > see no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuing these discussions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having Icchamrityu and dying at

an

> > early

> > > > > > age are

> > > > > > > > > > > > operating at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels. Bhishma had Iccha Mrityu

but

> > did

> > > > > > not die

> > > > > > > > > > young.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to mix the issues. If you

have

> > read

> > > > > > > > Swamiji's

> > > > > > > > > > > > biography

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that he fell sick many times

> > > > despite of

> > > > > > > > > > apparent

> > > > > > > > > > > > robust

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commenting on Shani in 4th for

Rama's

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of giving Vipareeta

results.

> > I

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze the entire chart. By the

way

> > if

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > Kuja

> > > > > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that by itself give a Divine

wife?

> > Please

> > > > > > do not

> > > > > > > > > > bring

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Rama (and we both have that)

> > into

> > > > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing in the dashas when the

> > > > discussions

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only lead the discussion to

no

> > > > where.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately as we are not trying

to

> > time

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > event but

> > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are the effects on bhavas

> > occupied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi in Ramana Maharshi's

> > chart

> > > > you

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying Kuja vat Ketu. look at the

> > Ketu

> > > > deha

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know your views. And if by the

> > way you

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > mail,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about mars being killer

for

> > him,

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being 3rd lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also could you explain why Sun

being

> > Atma

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have claimed all along in the

thread

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > topic,

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove to be Killer to Ramana

> > Maharshi?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, remember that in

> > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda's

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th occupying the lagna

and

> > > > causing

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > > > > Raj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time if you thin how long the

> > Swamiji

> > > > > > lived,

> > > > > > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about saying that it did not

act

> > as

> > > > > > > > Mahakrura.

> > > > > > > > > > Think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the 7th bhava of Swamiji,

> > also,

> > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shubha or less malefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: I think Swamiji had an

> > > > > > icchamrityu

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operating on 4th July 1902, I

> > observe

> > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup-Ket-Sat-Sat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

> > Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 1893-02-09 (1:35:30

pm) -

> > 1909-

> > > > 02-

> > > > > > 10

> > > > > > > > > > (3:59:13

> > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ven AD: 1900-12-25 (10:03:30

am) -

> > > > 1903-

> > > > > > 08-27

> > > > > > > > > > > > (4:48:54 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup PD: 1902-05-02 (1:42:07

pm) -

> > 1902-

> > > > 09-

> > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > > (10:43:55 pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket SD: 1902-06-29 (9:11:48

am) -

> > 1902-

> > > > 07-

> > > > > > 07

> > > > > > > > > > (5:06:28

> > > > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat PAD: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27

pm) -

> > > > 1902-

> > > > > > 07-06

> > > > > > > > > > > > (2:29:24 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat: 1902-07-04 (8:44:27 pm) -

> > 1902-07-

> > > > 05

> > > > > > > > > > (1:27:03 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 2nd house from

Moon,

> > > > Venus

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is posited in 2nd from

lagna,

> > Ketu

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives the results of Venus and

> > Saturn

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna....all are marakas. the

> > maraka

> > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Moon, and it's the cause

of

> > his

> > > > early

> > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see where Sun comes

into

> > all

> > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I agree that Sun, as

AK

> > > > > > aspecting 7th

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parivraja tendencies. But can

you

> > > > ignore

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > influence of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon and 4th house, occuring

in the

> > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > house? I

> > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun would have given him

parivraja

> > > > yoga:--

> > > > > > ))

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > without the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga and the strong soul-level

> > impact

> > > > he

> > > > > > > > created

> > > > > > > > > > > > wherever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you like look at what

> > happened to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava of Lord Rama with

exalted

> > Mars

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 7th gives kuja dosha,

and I

> > > > think

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him an exalted wife like

> > Sita. You

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > commented

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Saturn in 4th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In each of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example provided by you look

at

> > the

> > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (barring Saturn, for reasons

> > already

> > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at the charts as

> > belonging to

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind as to the truth or

> > > > otherwise

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > what I

> > > > > > > > > > > > said.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi died

following a

> > > > > > malignant

> > > > > > > > > > sarcoma

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is karaka for the 3rd bhava

in

> > 8th in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > chart, in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation. Do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think Mars gave him

benevolent

> > > > results?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I also request

you to

> > > > > > examine

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences with an open mind.

Sun

> > is the

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (AK)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th lord from lagna in Sri

> > Ramana's

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives Sun'/Saturn's/Jupiter's

> > > > > > effects...all of

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dusthanas, Saturn is a maraka

in

> > 7th

> > > > > > house and

> > > > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects of Moon/Mercury/mars.

Mar's

> > > > > > effect,

> > > > > > > > if at

> > > > > > > > > > > > all, was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indirect, and he was not the

> > killer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from

> > Moon):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun MD: 1949-02-03 (1:02:22

am) -

> > 1955-

> > > > 02-

> > > > > > 03

> > > > > > > > > > (2:05:32

> > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah AD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04

am) -

> > 1951-

> > > > 02-

> > > > > > 21

> > > > > > > > > > (8:49:14

> > > > > > > > > > > > am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rah PD: 1950-03-29 (3:54:04

am) -

> > 1950-

> > > > 05-

> > > > > > 18

> > > > > > > > > > > > (12:04:47 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat SD: 1950-04-12 (3:37:16

am) -

> > 1950-

> > > > 04-

> > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > (12:18:02 am)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket PAD: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34

pm) -

> > > > 1950-

> > > > > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > > > > (11:08:26

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ket: 1950-04-14 (12:08:34 pm) -

> > 1950-

> > > > 04-14

> > > > > > > > > > (12:47:04

> > > > > > > > > > > > pm)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what stands out is the

fact

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined Moon brought about

> > death. I

> > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > willed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can a planet give results in a

dasa

> > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated/unassociated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with itself? I request you to

> > consider

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > objectively.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will talk about the other

> > > > charts/issues

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramhans Ramkrishna's

chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know where you find

Mars

> > > > > > strong as

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha gives results of

> > debility

> > > > even

> > > > > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In case of Saturn

> > Viparitam

> > > > shane

> > > > > > > > > > smritam has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned by me, in earlier

mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi: Sir, I myself have not

> > > > considered

> > > > > > > > > > Mars/Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart because they are

debilitated.

> > > > > > Please go

> > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. I was talking about

Saturn

> > and

> > > > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Shri Aurobindo, I trust

you

> > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware of his revolutionary

> > background

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > editor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vande Mataram" not much

known

> > for

> > > > its

> > > > > > soft

> > > > > > > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same is the case with strong

> > Malefics

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > P.M.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable of 12 variations of a

> > P.M.

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > attributed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least. It would only be

naive to

> > > > imagine

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results as indicated by

> > Parashara or

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Pancha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would only rule over

different

> > parts

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > > > (barring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the sage said so. The

> > sages

> > > > > > gave us

> > > > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to apply them to real life

> > horoscope

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > Viveka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladly give you the

> > shloka

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > reference

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Viparita---Shane..." it is

from

> > an

> > > > old

> > > > > > > > classic

> > > > > > > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers, but as you do

not

> > seem

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in with what, you think. is

said

> > by

> > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > Raman,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in futility. should you yet

want

> > the

> > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give it to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be disagreeing

with

> > > > Shri

> > > > > > B.V.

> > > > > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether malefic or benefics

> > give

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > results,

> > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give bad results. Perhaps

you

> > also

> > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving mahapurusha yogas.

> > Isn't it

> > > > > > > > contrary to

> > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts teach?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here are a few

examples,

> > > > where I

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have neither made the

natives

> > krura

> > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda: strong

sun

> > in

> > > > > > lagna and

> > > > > > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Aurobindo: Strong Sun

in

> > 2nd

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi Mahesh yogi:

exalted

> > Mars

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi: strong

Mars

> > in 8th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa:

> > > > Exalted

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > (9H)

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4H).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus are also exalted

in

> > rasi,

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, can you give me the

> > reference

> > > > > > > > > > for "vipareetam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shaneH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sritam"?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it, by any chance,

refer

> > to

> > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > > placement in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being beneficial?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that you agree

> > strong

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me from where

the

> > > > saying

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > because i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read it up myself and

> > understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

<chandrashekhar46%

> > > > > > > > 40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About Krura planets

the

> > > > saying

> > > > > > is,

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength the Krura

grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more Krura

(Maha-

> > > > krura)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > shubha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become more shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Shani is more

krura

> > when

> > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less krura when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong "Viparitama

shaneH

> > > > > > smritam".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

Chandrasekhar

> > ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sun dasa started

> > when I

> > > > > > was 9

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > > > old, and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ended when I was 15

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old. How

come you

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > notice

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part? I was old

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough to

understand

> > the

> > > > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success and failure,

I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if you

agree

> > that

> > > > > > Rahu is

> > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results, and those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are

> > exceptionally

> > > > > > good,

> > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically follows

> > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is strong in my

> > chart

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri B.V Raman, evil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets, especially

> > when

> > > > weak,

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (vide "a catechism

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of astrology"),

while

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > > > even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil, give good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. If my Sun

were

> > > > weak,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > wouldn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving such good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Mercury is

> > hopelessly

> > > > > > > > combust

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inferior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the major

> > > > results of

> > > > > > > > Dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmadhipathi yoga

are

> > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given by Sun,

because

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > > > to "300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations" of Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, a planet

with

> > higher

> > > > > > > > shadbala

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of a yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Karna, I

> > request

> > > > > > you to

> > > > > > > > > > read the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parva of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata again.

> > When he

> > > > > > died,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bowed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grief, because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's one of the

noblest

> > > > > > persons in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the episode you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted happened

because

> > > > > > > > Parashurama

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > teach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only Brahmins and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna desperately

> > wanted to

> > > > > > learn

> > > > > > > > > > > > dhanurvidya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashurama so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he can support

> > > > > > Duryodhana.

> > > > > > > > > > Deceit is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly punishable

and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did pay

dearly.

> > But

> > > > > > it's to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > borne in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whatever

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karna did was only

to

> > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > Duryodhana,

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dearest friend. Karna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did not gain

anything

> > > > > > personally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the

3rd

> > house

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house (I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think there was a

typo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at your end). In

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > > zodiac,

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10 th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign, being the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cardinal earth

sign,

> > > > > > represents

> > > > > > > > > > > > south /dakshina

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disha. South is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction ruled by

> > Yama,

> > > > the

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > death,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents burial

> > grounds.

> > > > > > So, the

> > > > > > > > > > Rudras

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Mars) are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong in south.

Also,

> > Sun

> > > > > > > > resides in

> > > > > > > > > > > > south and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > northern voyage

from

> > here.

> > > > So

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > digbala in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did clarify that

> > when I

> > > > > > > > referred to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Surya as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma saakshi, it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to his status

as

> > > > > > antaraatma

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deity. Perhaps this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escaped your

attention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my last

post

> > on the

> > > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

<%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

<%

> > > > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Divine

Lakshmi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were too

young

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to manifest,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good news that

> > your

> > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > promotions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prizes/accolades

> > during

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to know

you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these results at

a

> > young

> > > > > > age of

> > > > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > > > or so

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when Sun dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operative. I am

> > relieved

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > did not

> > > > > > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health problems in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > March-August 1970

> > period.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we are

talking

> > about

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results of Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prominently, by

> > > > > > conjunction, as

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > guessed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also that of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (You have a

> > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for understanding

> > Sun its

> > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha needs to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyzed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is

malefic

> > not

> > > > > > because I

> > > > > > > > > > say so

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jyotish says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury is

malefic

> > when

> > > > > > > > conjunct a

> > > > > > > > > > papa

> > > > > > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he is conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is the

> > apex of

> > > > > > Artha

> > > > > > > > > > trikona

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly involved

with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts to earn

> > money.

> > > > > > Though

> > > > > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana/burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4th from ayush

> > sthana

> > > > > > (8th)

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why affliction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can give death.

But

> > 8th

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > popularly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mrityu sthana and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is called

> > Smashana.

> > > > If

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smashana why would

it be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma sthana and

why

> > > > would

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > be at

> > > > > > > > > > > > its most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brilliant there?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not say he

can

> > not

> > > > > > > > represent

> > > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bodies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in temple, but not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > Chandrasekhar

> > > > ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sun dasa was

> > > > excellent

> > > > > > > > too. My

> > > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > received promotion

(s),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > school/college

days

> > > > were

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide acclaim/prizes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my ability

in

> > > > creative

> > > > > > > > > > writing,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Veena,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quiz contests etc,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from studies.

So,

> > for a

> > > > > > > > student, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's excellent!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you

justify

> > > > this,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > weak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is certainly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yogakaraka

> > results,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, don't you

> > think

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results of Sun? You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said that

mercury

> > is

> > > > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > heavily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust too:--))

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1th house also

> > > > represent

> > > > > > > > burial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground/smashaana. Is

> > that a

> > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra

represents

> > all

> > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > bodies,

> > > > > > > > > > > > so why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't he represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple tank?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated

===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam?

Mail

> > has

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > protection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <>

> > > > < <>>

> > > > > > < <>

> > < <>>>

> > > > > > > > < <>

> > < <>>

> > > > < <>

> > < <>>>>

> > > > > > > > < <>

> > < <>>

> > > > < <>

> > < <>>>

> > > > > > < <>

> > < <>>

> > > > < <>

> > < <>>>>>

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus

Database is

> > out-

> > > > of-

> > > > > > > > date.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free

> > Edition.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 /

Virus

> > > > Database:

> > > > > > > > > > > > 268.11.7/435 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8/31/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

this

> > > > message

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this

incoming

> > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free

Edition.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus

> > Database:

> > > > > > > > > > 268.12.2/441 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/7/2006

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> > message

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

> > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus

Database:

> > > > > > > > 268.12.2/442 -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/8/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming

message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

> > > > > > 268.12.2/442 -

> > > > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/8/2006

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----

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:

> > 268.12.2/442 -

> > > > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9/8/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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268.12.4/449 -

> > > > > > Release

> > > > > > > > Date:

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> > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 -

> > Release

> > > > > > Date:

> > > > > > > > 9/15/2006

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > --------------------

----

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 -

Release

> > > > Date:

> > > > > > 9/15/2006

> > > > > > >

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