Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2006 AVAJANANTI MAM MUDHA MANUSHIM TANUMASHRITAM| PARAM BHAVAMAJANANTO MAMA BHUTAMAHESHVARAM||9-11|| When I enter the human body in becoming the human incarnation, the human beings who are egoistic and jealous do not recognize Me, the Lord of this world. They treat Me as a human being and repel against Me due to their inherent repulsion towards any greatness seen in their co-human beings. Instead of accepting Me as the greatest, they hate and even insult Me. —Bhagavad Gita At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Surya ji > Since when, god decided to recruit "godmen" to talk about right or wrong? > God's blessing is the only thing, which is free from core marketing and hard selling, if not "free". > > regards / Prafulla Gang Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2006 Lord Krishna did not preach about meditation, pranayama in the Gita. I am sorry to say that this meditation was introduced by middle age Indians who were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to succeed in Yoga. They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed. Now, they close the eyes and say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their maginary "Kundalini" and say that they have succeeded in Yoga. These blind teachers are also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since a long time. We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels the various worldly, loves. I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very weak and their love towards God is real, which is proved by their huge sacrifice of money to God's work. Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice for God's work is "Karma phala tyaga" as mentioned in Gita. Again, the middle age Indians twisted this word "Karma phala tyaga" as sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of sacrifice of money. The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their children to earn after certain age. Indians store money even for ten generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good wealth. Even Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by foreigners only. Swami Vivekananda cried, "Why my India suffers with poverty in spite of so much spiritual knowledge?" Sacrifice of money (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put together constitute the God's service, which is the real Yoga (real proof of love) called "Karma yoga" in Gita. Foreigners are the best in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus flowers are not at all mentioned. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear bhaskarji > many godmen are famous akin to various highly successful film > directors in one man shows. the same man is director, actor, > storywriter, screenplay, editing, lyrics, singing, music and all > other roles. similarly most godmen do these things on their own > directly or indirectly and hence while criticising such mails we > shall show some respect as if we are dealing directly with that > godman. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (ramdevji is the single largest contributor for promotion of yoga > India has ever seen and crores of people have started simple > pranayama and are seeing the miraculous benefits of pranayama. such people are the real avataars of god) > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, > > (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back > > with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or voulmnious spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he was never attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by arguing with him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his temparement can be used in the right direction. His masters are misusing him. > > > > I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. > > Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of > all men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. priests chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this rubbish Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we dont want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising > > misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with > his family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly > pleasures, just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co- relate properly. > > > > affectionately, > > Bhaskar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Surya ji Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if someone does not get into their trap. BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful program run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in this time cycle. regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > dattapr2000 > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:09:57 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > AVAJANANTI MAM MUDHA MANUSHIM TANUMASHRITAM| > PARAM BHAVAMAJANANTO MAMA BHUTAMAHESHVARAM||9-11|| > > When I enter the human body in becoming the human incarnation, the > human beings who are egoistic and jealous do not recognize Me, the > Lord of this world. They treat Me as a human being and repel against > Me due to their inherent repulsion towards any greatness seen in > their co-human beings. Instead of accepting Me as the greatest, they > hate and even insult Me. > —Bhagavad Gita > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >> Dear Surya ji >> Since when, god decided to recruit "godmen" to talk about right or > wrong? >> God's blessing is the only thing, which is free from core > marketing and hard selling, if not "free". >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2006 You Idiot disgrace on human society, I had enough of Your nonsense.Only i paragraphi I have read as I dont want to read rest obscene rubbish. You rascal third grade creature abhorrable born to be kicked by pigs of the dirtiest gutter, what Do You mean by saying Lord Krishna did not say this or that. Are You secretary of Lord Krishna ? Enough of lenience I had on You and Your donghi swami. You dirtiest lost soul of the dark, read properly Chapter 6,of Gita, Slokas 11,12,13, 14 15,17,46. and then talk. You dirtiest rat, next time You come on this Forum I will have no choice but to put You and Your swami behind bars, for distorting religion and twisting the scriptures. And mind You I can do it. I have the connections till the highest in the government including the police., in Your state.I will not spare You. This is the last warning. Dont appear again or else I will have You both beaten and put for the rest of Your lives behind bars, You rascals. Bhaskar. , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Lord Krishna did not preach about meditation, pranayama in the Gita. > I am sorry to say that this meditation was introduced by middle age > Indians who were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to > succeed in Yoga. > > They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept > of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only > wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed. Now, they close the eyes and > say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only > imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their maginary "Kundalini" > and say that they have succeeded in Yoga. These blind teachers are > also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their > blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and > hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since > a long time. > > We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most > twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. > Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see > light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form > of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. > Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with > your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and > colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels > the various worldly, loves. > > I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line > of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In > fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the > yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very weak and their love > towards God is real, which is proved by their huge sacrifice of > money to God's work. Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice > for God's work is "Karma phala tyaga" as mentioned in Gita. Again, > the middle age Indians twisted this word "Karma phala tyaga" as > sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of > sacrifice of money. > > The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to > God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their > children to earn after certain age. Indians store money even for ten > generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, > meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was > blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. > > Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good > wealth. Even Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by > foreigners only. Swami Vivekananda cried, "Why my India suffers with > poverty in spite of so much spiritual knowledge?" Sacrifice of money > (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put > together constitute the God's service, which is the real Yoga (real > proof of love) called "Karma yoga" in Gita. Foreigners are the best > in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout > Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus > flowers are not at all mentioned. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > many godmen are famous akin to various highly successful film > > directors in one man shows. the same man is director, actor, > > storywriter, screenplay, editing, lyrics, singing, music and all > > other roles. similarly most godmen do these things on their own > > directly or indirectly and hence while criticising such mails we > > shall show some respect as if we are dealing directly with that > > godman. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (ramdevji is the single largest contributor for promotion of yoga > > India has ever seen and crores of people have started simple > > pranayama and are seeing the miraculous benefits of pranayama. > such people are the real avataars of god) > > > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, > > > (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back > > > with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or > voulmnious spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he > was never attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by > arguing with him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his > temparement can be used in the right direction. His masters are > misusing him. > > > > > > I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. > > > Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of > > all men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. > priests chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this > rubbish Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we > dont want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising > > > misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with > > his family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly > > pleasures, just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co- > relate properly. > > > > > > affectionately, > > > Bhaskar. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2006 SURYA GREAT TO KNOW U HAVE LIVED ON THIS WORLD FROM INCEPTION AND BEEN A WITNESS to see all the 4 Yugas, to know all the fraud done by our rishis, saints, priests and u have alone remained pure and live so long what a great occasions to know thou-self. and it is sad to say u know more than many before u, what did the rishis do say even Bhagiratha, Raja Vishvamitra, when he wanted to become a Brahma rishi no meditation, what did Hrinayakashapu, Ravana, Druva, Valmiki, arjuna etc all do play golf I guess or even catching flies and found the boons they god just flying around please study as many scriptures with an open mind and get back, don't hurry a system that is already getting weak by materialism we need the idols to start something then move on we all have said to remove form we need to be fee of family, material worlds not our call yet doing our family dharmas itself is a huge tapas, without favor, ill will bickering, misunderstandings etc is tough ask and as we move on we get better by the day or some worse we never know till our soul needs the moral, spiritual fuel it moves on with struggles for roti, kapad, makkan. surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: Lord Krishna did not preach about meditation, pranayama in the Gita. I am sorry to say that this meditation was introduced by middle age Indians who were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to succeed in Yoga. They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed. Now, they close the eyes and say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their maginary "Kundalini" and say that they have succeeded in Yoga. These blind teachers are also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since a long time. We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels the various worldly, loves. I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very weak and their love towards God is real, which is proved by their huge sacrifice of money to God's work. Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice for God's work is "Karma phala tyaga" as mentioned in Gita. Again, the middle age Indians twisted this word "Karma phala tyaga" as sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of sacrifice of money. The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their children to earn after certain age. Indians store money even for ten generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good wealth. Even Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by foreigners only. Swami Vivekananda cried, "Why my India suffers with poverty in spite of so much spiritual knowledge?" Sacrifice of money (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put together constitute the God's service, which is the real Yoga (real proof of love) called "Karma yoga" in Gita. Foreigners are the best in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus flowers are not at all mentioned. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear bhaskarji > many godmen are famous akin to various highly successful film > directors in one man shows. the same man is director, actor, > storywriter, screenplay, editing, lyrics, singing, music and all > other roles. similarly most godmen do these things on their own > directly or indirectly and hence while criticising such mails we > shall show some respect as if we are dealing directly with that > godman. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (ramdevji is the single largest contributor for promotion of yoga > India has ever seen and crores of people have started simple > pranayama and are seeing the miraculous benefits of pranayama. such people are the real avataars of god) > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, > > (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back > > with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or voulmnious spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he was never attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by arguing with him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his temparement can be used in the right direction. His masters are misusing him. > > > > I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. > > Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of > all men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. priests chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this rubbish Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we dont want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising > > misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with > his family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly > pleasures, just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co- relate properly. > > > > affectionately, > > Bhaskar. Prashantkumar G B -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2006 Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown vishwarupam in the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. Duryodhana wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human form, everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by black magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations were identified by the contemporary people? In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord like gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few more compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those cities of dwaraka, brindavan etc. Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He will bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any favour to me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, which is the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said in Veda are 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite knowledge'. 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He generates love (devotion) towards Him 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives bliss to the devotees. 4) And can perform miracles Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by demons but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show His power also. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Surya ji > Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if someone does not get into their trap. > BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful program run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in this time cycle. > regards / Prafulla Gang Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2006 You rascal. I told You not to appear again on this Forum. Dont You understand ? , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown vishwarupam in > the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. Duryodhana > wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human form, > everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by black > magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations were > identified by the contemporary people? > > In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord like > gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few more > compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those cities > of dwaraka, brindavan etc. > > Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary > happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He will > bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any favour to > me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. > > So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, which is > the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said in Veda > are > > 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite > knowledge'. > 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He generates > love (devotion) towards Him > 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives bliss to > the devotees. > > 4) And can perform miracles > > Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by demons > but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show His > power also. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Surya ji > > Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if someone does > not get into their trap. > > BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful program > run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in this time > cycle. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2006 Pranam Suryaji and koti koti pranam to Sri Datta Swamiji who I was introduced to by you and got to know from www.universal- spirituality.org What an amazing character. He truly is Gog because he has all the 5 tatwas in perfect balance. Donot worry about these jealous members who are trying to put you down. Keep spreading the good word of Guru Sri Datta Swamiji. I also read in www.universal-spirituality.org that Sri Datta Swamiji is an astute astrologer and therefore it is my humble suggestion to make a few 100% accurate readings for the group members and silience them once and for all Blessed to be crouching in the lotus feet of sri Datta Swami Jai Guru Datta Swami , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Lord Krishna did not preach about meditation, pranayama in the Gita. > I am sorry to say that this meditation was introduced by middle age > Indians who were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to > succeed in Yoga. > > They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept > of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only > wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed. Now, they close the eyes and > say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only > imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their maginary "Kundalini" > and say that they have succeeded in Yoga. These blind teachers are > also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their > blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and > hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since > a long time. > > We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most > twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. > Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see > light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form > of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. > Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with > your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and > colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels > the various worldly, loves. > > I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line > of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In > fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the > yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very weak and their love > towards God is real, which is proved by their huge sacrifice of > money to God's work. Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice > for God's work is "Karma phala tyaga" as mentioned in Gita. Again, > the middle age Indians twisted this word "Karma phala tyaga" as > sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of > sacrifice of money. > > The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to > God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their > children to earn after certain age. Indians store money even for ten > generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, > meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was > blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. > > Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good > wealth. Even Indian spiritual centres were strongly funded by > foreigners only. Swami Vivekananda cried, "Why my India suffers with > poverty in spite of so much spiritual knowledge?" Sacrifice of money > (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put > together constitute the God's service, which is the real Yoga (real > proof of love) called "Karma yoga" in Gita. Foreigners are the best > in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout > Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus > flowers are not at all mentioned. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > many godmen are famous akin to various highly successful film > > directors in one man shows. the same man is director, actor, > > storywriter, screenplay, editing, lyrics, singing, music and all > > other roles. similarly most godmen do these things on their own > > directly or indirectly and hence while criticising such mails we > > shall show some respect as if we are dealing directly with that > > godman. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (ramdevji is the single largest contributor for promotion of yoga > > India has ever seen and crores of people have started simple > > pranayama and are seeing the miraculous benefits of pranayama. > such people are the real avataars of god) > > > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, > > > (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back > > > with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or > voulmnious spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he > was never attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by > arguing with him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his > temparement can be used in the right direction. His masters are > misusing him. > > > > > > I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. > > > Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of > > all men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. > priests chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this > rubbish Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we > dont want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising > > > misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with > > his family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly > > pleasures, just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co- > relate properly. > > > > > > affectionately, > > > Bhaskar. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 dear friend Bhaskarji First of all i want to appologise for the mistake committed by me (i added that line 'meditation was not preached by Lord Krishna in Gita'in swamiji's message. hence, mistake is mine only. I want to reply to your objections raised regarding the 'karma phala tyaga'. Message of swamiji: The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money is highest. 1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam Tyaktva Maneeshinah...). This means that realized scholars sacrifice the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah' i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana (knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better than Bakthi. 2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah' i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then that is real sacrifice. 3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena tyagenaike Amritatvamaanasuh' i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. – The Veda 4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the Lord. 5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e., return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel shy. 6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya) i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can teach you the Jnana. Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. Jesus in Bible: Matthew–6 : 19 to 22 "Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there your heart will be also". Matthew -7: 21 "Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven". Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money) through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth. Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran: AalFajr – 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice. Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes most pure. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > You Idiot disgrace on human society, > I had enough of Your nonsense.Only i paragraphi I have read as I dont want to read rest obscene rubbish. You rascal third grade creature abhorrable born to be kicked by pigs of the dirtiest gutter, what Do You mean by saying Lord Krishna did not say this or that. Are You secretary of Lord Krishna? Enough of lenience I had on You and Your donghi swami. > You dirtiest lost soul of the dark, read properly Chapter 6,of Gita, Slokas 11,12,13, 14 15,17,46. and then talk. > You dirtiest rat, next time You come on this Forum I will have no > choice but to put You and Your swami behind bars, for distorting religion and twisting the scriptures. And mind You. I can do it. > I have the connections till the highest in the government including the police in Your state.I will not spare You. This is the last warning. Dont appear again or else I will have You both beaten and put for the rest of Your lives behind bars, You rascals. > Bhaskar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Bhaskar, How can you insult such a great soul like Suryaji and Sri Datta? Arent you afraid of incurring bad karma. Pl read in the web site about the swami who tried to tried funny trick with Sri Datta and was brought to his knees. Eventually he became a disciple of Sri Datta. I think you may follow his footsteps too Sri Datta is all knowing anad all powerful Jai Guru Datta , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > You rascal. > > I told You not to appear again on this Forum. Dont You understand ? > > > > > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > wrote: > > > > Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown vishwarupam in > > the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. > Duryodhana > > wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human form, > > everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by black > > magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations > were > > identified by the contemporary people? > > > > In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord like > > gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few more > > compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those > cities > > of dwaraka, brindavan etc. > > > > Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary > > happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He will > > bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any favour > to > > me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. > > > > So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, which is > > the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said in > Veda > > are > > > > 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite > > knowledge'. > > 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He generates > > love (devotion) towards Him > > 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives bliss > to > > the devotees. > > > > 4) And can perform miracles > > > > Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by > demons > > but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show His > > power also. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > Dear Surya ji > > > Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if someone > does > > not get into their trap. > > > BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful program > > run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in this > time > > cycle. > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Sir Is it godmen's circuit - where people are solicited to join them or a jyotish group!!! Please open another spiritual group, where all interested people will be willing to join, discuss and enjoy. regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > predictiveinc > Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:34:32 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > Bhaskar, How can you insult such a great soul like Suryaji and Sri > Datta? Arent you afraid of incurring bad karma. > Pl read in the web site about the swami who tried to tried funny > trick with Sri Datta and was brought to his knees. > Eventually he became a disciple of Sri Datta. > I think you may follow his footsteps too > Sri Datta is all knowing anad all powerful > Jai Guru Datta > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >> You rascal. >> >> I told You not to appear again on this Forum. Dont You understand ? >> >> >> >> >> , "surya" <dattapr2000@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown vishwarupam > in >>> the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. >> Duryodhana >>> wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human > form, >>> everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by > black >>> magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations >> were >>> identified by the contemporary people? >>> >>> In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord > like >>> gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few > more >>> compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those >> cities >>> of dwaraka, brindavan etc. >>> >>> Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary >>> happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He > will >>> bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any > favour >> to >>> me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. >>> >>> So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, which > is >>> the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said > in >> Veda >>> are >>> >>> 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite >>> knowledge'. >>> 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He > generates >>> love (devotion) towards Him >>> 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives > bliss >> to >>> the devotees. >>> >>> 4) And can perform miracles >>> >>> Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by >> demons >>> but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show > His >>> power also. >>> >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>> surya >>> www.universal-spirituality.org >>> >>> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>> Dear Surya ji >>>> Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if > someone >> does >>> not get into their trap. >>>> BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful > program >>> run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in > this >> time >>> cycle. >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Sir, there may be thousands good souls,( even in animals - we feed or we do not even know); but important thing is that - can he participate in jyotish discussions. If yes, then irrespective of his credentials (or his gurus) - he is welcome. regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > predictiveinc > Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:34:32 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > Bhaskar, How can you insult such a great soul like Suryaji and Sri > Datta? Arent you afraid of incurring bad karma. > Pl read in the web site about the swami who tried to tried funny > trick with Sri Datta and was brought to his knees. > Eventually he became a disciple of Sri Datta. > I think you may follow his footsteps too > Sri Datta is all knowing anad all powerful > Jai Guru Datta > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >> You rascal. >> >> I told You not to appear again on this Forum. Dont You understand ? >> >> >> >> >> , "surya" <dattapr2000@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown vishwarupam > in >>> the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. >> Duryodhana >>> wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human > form, >>> everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by > black >>> magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations >> were >>> identified by the contemporary people? >>> >>> In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord > like >>> gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few > more >>> compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those >> cities >>> of dwaraka, brindavan etc. >>> >>> Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary >>> happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He > will >>> bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any > favour >> to >>> me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. >>> >>> So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, which > is >>> the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said > in >> Veda >>> are >>> >>> 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite >>> knowledge'. >>> 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He > generates >>> love (devotion) towards Him >>> 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives > bliss >> to >>> the devotees. >>> >>> 4) And can perform miracles >>> >>> Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by >> demons >>> but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show > His >>> power also. >>> >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>> surya >>> www.universal-spirituality.org >>> >>> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>> Dear Surya ji >>>> Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if > someone >> does >>> not get into their trap. >>>> BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful > program >>> run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in > this >> time >>> cycle. >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Prafullaji, Sri Datta Swami is a world famous astrologer Read the following paragraph about sri Datta Swami Swami the astrologer. At the age of ten, Swami used to tell the future. Initially, people thought that He must have inherited some of His father's astrological skills. However two incidents convinced people of Swami's divinity rather than astrological skills. Once when Swami was present by His father's side, a farmer from the neighboring village of Kookatlapally, came to them and invited them to his daughter's wedding. Swami suddenly said that the bride would die immediately after the wedding. Everyone in Swami's family was shocked. They scolded Swami for making such an outrageous statement. The farmer, who had come to invite them, was speechless. Yet he proceeded with the wedding of his daughter. After the wedding was over and when the bride prostrated before her in-laws, to receive their blessings, as per tradition, she immediately fell down dead. This incident became the talk of the town. Another incident took place when Swami went to visit His uncle in Kundurti. In His uncle's house, Swami took a diary and wrote that His aunt would pass away due to cholera on a particular date. He signed the same with the date of prediction. On the predicted day, Swami's aunt died of cholera. Swami's uncle had not seen the note that Swami had made and signed in the diary and came to know of it only later on. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Sir > > Is it godmen's circuit - where people are solicited to join them or a jyotish group!!! > > Please open another spiritual group, where all interested people will be willing to join, discuss and enjoy. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > > > > > predictiveinc > > Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:34:32 -0000 > > > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > > Bhaskar, How can you insult such a great soul like Suryaji and Sri > > Datta? Arent you afraid of incurring bad karma. > > Pl read in the web site about the swami who tried to tried funny > > trick with Sri Datta and was brought to his knees. > > Eventually he became a disciple of Sri Datta. > > I think you may follow his footsteps too > > Sri Datta is all knowing anad all powerful > > Jai Guru Datta > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> You rascal. > >> > >> I told You not to appear again on this Forum. Dont You understand ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown vishwarupam > > in > >>> the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. > >> Duryodhana > >>> wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human > > form, > >>> everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by > > black > >>> magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations > >> were > >>> identified by the contemporary people? > >>> > >>> In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord > > like > >>> gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few > > more > >>> compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those > >> cities > >>> of dwaraka, brindavan etc. > >>> > >>> Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary > >>> happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He > > will > >>> bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any > > favour > >> to > >>> me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. > >>> > >>> So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, which > > is > >>> the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said > > in > >> Veda > >>> are > >>> > >>> 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite > >>> knowledge'. > >>> 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He > > generates > >>> love (devotion) towards Him > >>> 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives > > bliss > >> to > >>> the devotees. > >>> > >>> 4) And can perform miracles > >>> > >>> Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by > >> demons > >>> but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show > > His > >>> power also. > >>> > >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > >>> surya > >>> www.universal-spirituality.org > >>> > >>> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> Dear Surya ji > >>>> Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if > > someone > >> does > >>> not get into their trap. > >>>> BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful > > program > >>> run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in > > this > >> time > >>> cycle. > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>> > >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 my dear sir, let him enlihten us by discussing jyotish!! that is all, we are expecting..not the sermons. we have our gurus for spiritual guidance and on this forum, we will like to have jyotish discussions and learn the subject. regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > predictiveinc > Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:21:24 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > Prafullaji, Sri Datta Swami is a world famous astrologer > Read the following paragraph about sri Datta Swami > Swami the astrologer. At the age of ten, Swami used to tell the > future. Initially, people thought that He must have inherited some > of His father's astrological skills. However two incidents convinced > people of Swami's divinity rather than astrological skills. Once > when Swami was present by His father's side, a farmer from the > neighboring village of Kookatlapally, came to them and invited them > to his daughter's wedding. Swami suddenly said that the bride would > die immediately after the wedding. Everyone in Swami's family was > shocked. They scolded Swami for making such an outrageous statement. > The farmer, who had come to invite them, was speechless. Yet he > proceeded with the wedding of his daughter. After the wedding was > over and when the bride prostrated before her in-laws, to receive > their blessings, as per tradition, she immediately fell down dead. > This incident became the talk of the town. > Another incident took place when Swami went to visit His uncle in > Kundurti. In His uncle's house, Swami took a diary and wrote that > His aunt would pass away due to cholera on a particular date. He > signed the same with the date of prediction. On the predicted day, > Swami's aunt died of cholera. Swami's uncle had not seen the note > that Swami had made and signed in the diary and came to know of it > only later on. > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Sir >> >> Is it godmen's circuit - where people are solicited to join them > or a jyotish group!!! >> >> Please open another spiritual group, where all interested people > will be willing to join, discuss and enjoy. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are > more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by > gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent > and sudden usurpations. >> >> >>> >>> predictiveinc >>> Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:34:32 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Idol Worship 1/8 >>> >>> Bhaskar, How can you insult such a great soul like Suryaji and > Sri >>> Datta? Arent you afraid of incurring bad karma. >>> Pl read in the web site about the swami who tried to tried funny >>> trick with Sri Datta and was brought to his knees. >>> Eventually he became a disciple of Sri Datta. >>> I think you may follow his footsteps too >>> Sri Datta is all knowing anad all powerful >>> Jai Guru Datta >>> >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>> >>>> You rascal. >>>> >>>> I told You not to appear again on this Forum. Dont You > understand ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , "surya" <dattapr2000@> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown > vishwarupam >>> in >>>>> the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. >>>> Duryodhana >>>>> wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human >>> form, >>>>> everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by >>> black >>>>> magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations >>>> were >>>>> identified by the contemporary people? >>>>> >>>>> In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord >>> like >>>>> gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few >>> more >>>>> compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those >>>> cities >>>>> of dwaraka, brindavan etc. >>>>> >>>>> Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary >>>>> happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He >>> will >>>>> bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any >>> favour >>>> to >>>>> me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. >>>>> >>>>> So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, > which >>> is >>>>> the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said >>> in >>>> Veda >>>>> are >>>>> >>>>> 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite >>>>> knowledge'. >>>>> 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He >>> generates >>>>> love (devotion) towards Him >>>>> 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives >>> bliss >>>> to >>>>> the devotees. >>>>> >>>>> 4) And can perform miracles >>>>> >>>>> Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by >>>> demons >>>>> but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show >>> His >>>>> power also. >>>>> >>>>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>>>> surya >>>>> www.universal-spirituality.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>> Dear Surya ji >>>>>> Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if >>> someone >>>> does >>>>> not get into their trap. >>>>>> BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful >>> program >>>>> run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in >>> this >>>> time >>>>> cycle. >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>> >>>> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Dear, Om Shri Sairam Guru deva Dutta, Jai Guru Dutta Shri Guru Datta, Sir, I too am a follower of Lord Dattatreya, not any Swami though. I have no intentions of huring any follower of God. If I have done wrong then Let God bring me to my knees. But what would You say to people insulting scriptures ? Anyway I have already said sorry to the Gentlemen. Regards, Bhaskar. , "predictiveinc" <predictiveinc wrote: > > Bhaskar, How can you insult such a great soul like Suryaji and Sri > Datta? Arent you afraid of incurring bad karma. > Pl read in the web site about the swami who tried to tried funny > trick with Sri Datta and was brought to his knees. > Eventually he became a disciple of Sri Datta. > I think you may follow his footsteps too > Sri Datta is all knowing anad all powerful > Jai Guru Datta > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > You rascal. > > > > I told You not to appear again on this Forum. Dont You understand ? > > > > > > > > > > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown vishwarupam > in > > > the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. > > Duryodhana > > > wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human > form, > > > everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by > black > > > magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations > > were > > > identified by the contemporary people? > > > > > > In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord > like > > > gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few > more > > > compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those > > cities > > > of dwaraka, brindavan etc. > > > > > > Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary > > > happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He > will > > > bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any > favour > > to > > > me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. > > > > > > So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, which > is > > > the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said > in > > Veda > > > are > > > > > > 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite > > > knowledge'. > > > 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He > generates > > > love (devotion) towards Him > > > 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives > bliss > > to > > > the devotees. > > > > > > 4) And can perform miracles > > > > > > Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by > > demons > > > but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show > His > > > power also. > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > surya > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Surya ji > > > > Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if > someone > > does > > > not get into their trap. > > > > BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful > program > > > run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in > this > > time > > > cycle. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Do not try to install fear where faith is needed. As much Lord exists in each one as in a Guru. Not more, not less. It is fine if you want to follow a particular person or not. If something is misrepresented, every member has the right to question it. Lord Krishna was questioned by Sri Arjuna. Lord Yama was questioned by Sri Nachiketa. The list is endless. Infact, we have a Prashna Upanishad amongst 10 principal Upanishads. So talk of such "miracles" and the rest, do not amuse me and not are worthy for an astrologer. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 8/3/06, predictiveinc <predictiveinc > wrote: > > Prafullaji, Sri Datta Swami is a world famous astrologer > Read the following paragraph about sri Datta Swami > Swami the astrologer. At the age of ten, Swami used to tell the > future. Initially, people thought that He must have inherited some > of His father's astrological skills. However two incidents convinced > people of Swami's divinity rather than astrological skills. Once > when Swami was present by His father's side, a farmer from the > neighboring village of Kookatlapally, came to them and invited them > to his daughter's wedding. Swami suddenly said that the bride would > die immediately after the wedding. Everyone in Swami's family was > shocked. They scolded Swami for making such an outrageous statement. > The farmer, who had come to invite them, was speechless. Yet he > proceeded with the wedding of his daughter. After the wedding was > over and when the bride prostrated before her in-laws, to receive > their blessings, as per tradition, she immediately fell down dead. > This incident became the talk of the town. > Another incident took place when Swami went to visit His uncle in > Kundurti. In His uncle's house, Swami took a diary and wrote that > His aunt would pass away due to cholera on a particular date. He > signed the same with the date of prediction. On the predicted day, > Swami's aunt died of cholera. Swami's uncle had not seen the note > that Swami had made and signed in the diary and came to know of it > only later on. > > <%40>, > Prafulla Gang <jyotish > > wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > Is it godmen's circuit - where people are solicited to join them > or a jyotish group!!! > > > > Please open another spiritual group, where all interested people > will be willing to join, discuss and enjoy. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are > more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by > gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent > and sudden usurpations. > > > > > > > > > > predictiveinc > > > Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:34:32 -0000 > > > <%40> > > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > > > > Bhaskar, How can you insult such a great soul like Suryaji and > Sri > > > Datta? Arent you afraid of incurring bad karma. > > > Pl read in the web site about the swami who tried to tried funny > > > trick with Sri Datta and was brought to his knees. > > > Eventually he became a disciple of Sri Datta. > > > I think you may follow his footsteps too > > > Sri Datta is all knowing anad all powerful > > > Jai Guru Datta > > > > > > <%40>, > "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > >> > > >> You rascal. > > >> > > >> I told You not to appear again on this Forum. Dont You > understand ? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> <%40>, > "surya" <dattapr2000@> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Krishna was insulted by Duryodhana when He has shown > vishwarupam > > > in > > >>> the court of Dhritarastra by trying to tie Him with ropes. > > >> Duryodhana > > >>> wanted to capture Him. Do you think when Lord comes in human > > > form, > > >>> everybody recognises Him as Lord? Adi shankara was killied by > > > black > > >>> magic. Jesus was crucified. Do you think all these incarnations > > >> were > > >>> identified by the contemporary people? > > >>> > > >>> In the Krishna avatara, very few people recognised Him as lord > > > like > > >>> gopikas, pandavas, vidura, rukmini, satya bhama, radha and few > > > more > > >>> compared to the no. of people lived during that time in those > > >> cities > > >>> of dwaraka, brindavan etc. > > >>> > > >>> Just by seeing Lord, you will not get anything except momentary > > >>> happiness. but if you please Him by your service, then only He > > > will > > >>> bless you. Ex: If i see the Prime Minister, will he do any > > > favour > > >> to > > >>> me? But if i please him, then i will get a favour. > > >>> > > >>> So identification of Lord in human form is most difficult, > which > > > is > > >>> the brahma vidya and the characteristics signs of Lord as said > > > in > > >> Veda > > >>> are > > >>> > > >>> 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma. He can preach 'true infinite > > >>> knowledge'. > > >>> 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He > > > generates > > >>> love (devotion) towards Him > > >>> 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives > > > bliss > > >> to > > >>> the devotees. > > >>> > > >>> 4) And can perform miracles > > >>> > > >>> Of all these, Knowledge is the topmost which was never told by > > >> demons > > >>> but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show > > > His > > >>> power also. > > >>> > > >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > >>> surya > > >>> www.universal-spirituality.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>> Dear Surya ji > > >>>> Who can insult GOD??? yes - godmen do feel insulted, if > > > someone > > >> does > > >>> not get into their trap. > > >>>> BTW Lord Krishna is not bothered. he has made a beautiful > > > program > > >>> run by time machine "karma". and each one of us is moving in > > > this > > >> time > > >>> cycle. > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>> > > >> > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 dear friend When krishna stressed on Nishkama karma yoga in most of the Gita, you are saying it as a karma upadesh. Is it not a mis-interpretation? actually very small part is only karma upadesh because when arjuna left Gandeeva, he even not doing his duty. so first Krishna brought him to the level, where one performs duties. Then latter parts of Gita are completely karma yoga only, whcih relates to human upliftment. Karma means work done for the sake of self & family. It will never lead to salvation. Otherwise, whole humanity would have got salvated by this time except a very few, who are not even doing the duties also. But if you see the list of great devotees, it is very small like gopikas, hanuman, prahlada, meera,radha, etc. But, Karma yoga means the service done to the lord in human form and that too without any expectation i.e., Nishkama. This will only lead to upliftment or even salvation. Gita has been preached to uplift the people or push them more and more in to families and live in karma chakra only? I accepted my mis-interpretation and corrected it also and that too it was mine only (not swamiji's) at only one place. As per the many requests in this forum, i will post articles on jyotisham. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > Gita is mainly for Karma updesh, > > coming from Shree vachans of > > God Krishna. "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear, > Om Shri Sairam Guru deva Dutta, > Jai Guru Dutta Shri Guru Datta, > Sir, I too am a follower of Lord Dattatreya, not any Swami though. I > have no intentions of huring any follower of God. If I have done wrong then Let God bring me to my knees. But what would You say to people insulting scriptures ? Anyway I have already said sorry to the > Gentlemen. > > Regards, > Bhaskar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 dear suryaji, I appreciate ur patience and tolerance towards criticism. In this mail ur appreciating westerner's about their sacrifice of money to god and their attitude towards children. I beg to differ at this point, in western countries they are groping in the dark because at their young age they enjoy all sensual pleasures because they dont have responsibility of family bringing and finally at their old age they find there is no one to look after them, at that juncture whatever contributions they make to spiritual segment they arent looked after and they land up with severe depression. U will find maximum usage of anti-depressant drugs sold in US and Europe. Whatever defeciencies exist in India still the condition in our is country far better. I do agree we have greedy individuals in the form of buisnessman, industtrialist, beauracrats, politicians and dacoits. they arent prepared to share their excess wealth which they have accumulated. only in countries like India we arent paid what is due for the labour discharged. Swami vivekananda stressed upon essential requirements for all indians ie good food, good shelter, clothing and education. his dream can be made to reality when people with excess wealth share it generously in the name of God whomsoever they worship. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 dear sri bhaskar, ur mail is quite unpalatable however bad u feel that suryaji is informing about his thoughts or his gurujis thoughts. I dont think u should exhibit ur power connection with the high and mighty at ur place. I would request u to desist from using such language. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 My Dear Gopuji, Because of JaiChands only the invaders have entered India. I can now understand how JaiChand would have acted. At least I have some stuff to exhibit. What about You ?Anyway is this Forum for sermons ? Give me few astrological contributions made by You in this Forum ? Preaching is seperate and working for others is seperate. That is why I am unable to take action. Anyway dear nothing against You, lets not create differences bewteen us. Bhaskar. -- In , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear sri bhaskar, > ur mail is quite unpalatable however bad u feel that > suryaji is informing about his thoughts or his > gurujis thoughts. I dont think u should exhibit ur > power connection with the high and mighty at ur > place. I would request u to desist from using such > language. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 Bharat ji in his mail raised most relevant and vital point. I must admit, that was mail of the day. Why are we talking about western living and so on, based upon our hypothesis about them. Why are we preaching idealism on this forum. All these self conceived idealsim has no place in reality. so let us live in reality. May be the dog on the street, is laughing at man made world. let us accept...we do not know as yet, who knows what..(applicable to cultures, people and race). So let us focus back on the subject. regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:59:24 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > dear suryaji, > I appreciate ur patience and tolerance towards > criticism. In this mail ur appreciating westerner's > about their sacrifice of money to god and their > attitude towards children. I beg to differ at this > point, in western countries they are groping in the > dark because at their young age they enjoy all sensual > pleasures because they dont have responsibility of > family bringing and finally at their old age they find > there is no one to look after them, at that juncture > whatever contributions they make to spiritual segment > they arent looked after and they land up with severe > depression. U will find maximum usage of > anti-depressant drugs sold in US and Europe. Whatever > defeciencies exist in India still the condition in our > is country far better. I do agree we have greedy > individuals in the form of buisnessman, > industtrialist, beauracrats, politicians and dacoits. > they arent prepared to share their excess wealth which > they have accumulated. only in countries like India we > arent paid what is due for the labour discharged. > Swami vivekananda stressed upon essential requirements > for all indians ie good food, good shelter, clothing > and education. his dream can be made to reality when > people with excess wealth share it generously in the > name of God whomsoever they worship. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2006 mr gopu..you may please form a seperate group on spirituality; or have a p on rivate conversation with surya ji on spirituality. regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > dear sri bhaskar, > ur mail is quite unpalatable however bad u feel that > suryaji is informing about his thoughts or his > gurujis thoughts. I dont think u should exhibit ur > power connection with the high and mighty at ur > place. I would request u to desist from using such > language. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
