Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Surya, this posts of urs on datta and saying all other images, idols practices r useless will render the faith v weak already targeted by numerous fakes around and mas conversions by imperialistic faiths. u need an image to concentrate or associate ur payers any day while living in the mundane world striving to earn a living for the self, family and society too many do help one another in distress whether he can afford or not. and times of stress no image may not help Rather helps in the bhakta briging his wandering mind back for saints or ones who have given up the need to work bu giving all they have to the ashrams and then living in a sheltered life no need to earn we can say any thing which wont help the normal person the CHURCH HAS SUFFERED DUE TO over SIMPLIFICATION- the bible was a fore bidden one for ages once it became common it was good for a short time, now so simple that like any novel can be part of ur bookshelf, not ur life. simplification of the faith so simple u need to send church only at weddings, funerals , funerals u can mail order a wreath too weddings u can do same send a bouquet slowly need to go is gone now u can outsource prayers as u see Kerala churches pray for UK bhaktas in France for 45 churches there is one priest who does all from baptism to grave for all but as he cant be every where funeral surely he is and the other regular church goers does the MAKE SHIFT priest for weddign, baptism etc. the Church attendance in US is hardly 1 % and Europe 2-2.5.% percent in India and Asia where massive conversion is on there is good attendance till how they foresaked Hinduism same trend will catch up and will throw church also like their westerners. but having some faith is no harm than no faith, we don't have joint families or elders to guide small issues, stress of young weds and marriages are breaking families torn apart let there be order, faith in some way once we remove symbols we loose the mansion brick by brick ur concepts r good for the person who has seen all stages of line not ones struggling up the ladder. u can 1st see people have faith 1st now only IDOL or GOD i money none else so try to get the image shifted then we can look at the idol u said. LET THEIR BE FAITH, IDOLS, SYMBOLS, DELIGHT IN THE WORKMANSHIP OF FELLOW HUMANS who earn a living even making them, taking care of them worshipping them or even smuggling them to richer pastures. surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: You asked me whether I am following it or not? The answer is yes. I have identified the lord in human form by the divine knowledge preached by Him and serving Him in His mission by way of divine knowledge propagation and contributing some money as per my capacity. Here, in this mission of Lord datta Swamiji, only practical knowledge is preached and propagated. No theoretical and imaginary worships. Why to provide innumerable number of feasts to the Lord in the imagination? Give Him a handful of rice in the reality. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Sri Ganesh, > Not required actually because then You tend to get entangled in > this replying busines thus essential time is lost which could have > been utilsed for more fruitful.... > But dont worry, he is well paid missionary.,will come back > periodically to distort statements from ........ > and push his ideologies.... > > Bye. > Bhaskar Prashantkumar G B -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. Please fix times for this in advance -*- 09840051861 Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 PRASHANTJI. NAMASTE. Very well written piece and again a master piece.Yes the concepts is good for the people high on the line,but not for those struggling up the ladders. Aapko is piece ke liye pranam karta hoon. Affectionately, Bhaskar. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Surya, > this posts of urs on datta and saying all other images, idols practices r useless will render the faith v weak already targeted by numerous fakes around and mas conversions by imperialistic faiths. > > u need an image to concentrate or associate ur payers any day while living in the mundane world striving to earn a living for the self, family and society too many do help one another in distress whether he can afford or not. and times of stress no image may not help > Rather helps in the bhakta briging his wandering mind back > for saints or ones who have given up the need to work bu giving all they have to the ashrams and then living in a sheltered life no need to earn we can say any thing which wont help the normal person > the CHURCH HAS SUFFERED DUE TO over SIMPLIFICATION- the bible was a fore bidden one for ages once it became common it was good for a short time, now so simple that like any novel can be part of ur bookshelf, not ur life. > simplification of the faith so simple u need to send church only at weddings, funerals , funerals u can mail order a wreath too weddings u can do same send a bouquet slowly need to go is gone now u can outsource prayers as u see Kerala churches pray for UK bhaktas > in France for 45 churches there is one priest who does all from baptism to grave for all but as he cant be every where funeral surely he is and the other regular church goers does the MAKE SHIFT priest for weddign, baptism etc. > > the Church attendance in US is hardly 1 % and Europe 2-2.5.% percent in India and Asia where massive conversion is on there is good attendance till how they foresaked Hinduism same trend will catch up and will throw church also like their westerners. > > but having some faith is no harm than no faith, we don't have joint families or elders to guide small issues, stress of young weds and marriages are breaking families torn apart let there be order, faith in some way once we remove symbols we loose the mansion brick by brick ur concepts r good for the person who has seen all stages of line not ones struggling up the ladder. > > u can 1st see people have faith 1st now only IDOL or GOD i money none else so try to get the image shifted then we can look at the idol u said. > > LET THEIR BE FAITH, IDOLS, SYMBOLS, DELIGHT IN THE WORKMANSHIP OF FELLOW HUMANS who earn a living even making them, taking care of them worshipping them or even smuggling them to richer pastures. > > > > surya <dattapr2000 wrote: You asked me whether I am following it or not? The answer is yes. I > have identified the lord in human form by the divine knowledge > preached by Him and serving Him in His mission by way of divine > knowledge propagation and contributing some money as per my capacity. > > Here, in this mission of Lord datta Swamiji, only practical > knowledge is preached and propagated. No theoretical and imaginary > worships. Why to provide innumerable number of feasts to the Lord in > the imagination? Give Him a handful of rice in the reality. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Sri Ganesh, > > Not required actually because then You tend to get entangled in > > this replying busines thus essential time is lost which could have > > been utilsed for more fruitful.... > > But dont worry, he is well paid missionary.,will come back > > periodically to distort statements from ........ > > and push his ideologies.... > > > > Bye. > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Yes Sir, its easy for a grahasta to reach God by performing his daily karmas alloted to him, while much harder for a tapasvi . This song is very good to hear and beautiful wordings. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Surya ji > > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and sansarik is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for both. You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep kumar and mina kumari. and there is famous song - sansar se bhage phirta ho, bhagwan ko tum kys paoga; eis jeevan ko apna ne sake, us jiven ko kya apnaoge....Towards the end of climax - sadhu ashok kumar tries to rape the mina kumari and mina kumari, who is playing the role of prostitute - becomes sadhvi.. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > > Surya, > > this posts of urs on datta and saying all other images, idols practices > > r useless will render the faith v weak already targeted by numerous > > fakes around and mas conversions by imperialistic faiths. > > > > u need an image to concentrate or associate ur payers any day while > > living in the mundane world striving to earn a living for the self, > > family and society too many do help one another in distress whether he > > can afford or not. and times of stress no image may not help > > Rather helps in the bhakta briging his wandering mind back > > for saints or ones who have given up the need to work bu giving all > > they have to the ashrams and then living in a sheltered life no need to > > earn we can say any thing which wont help the normal person > > the CHURCH HAS SUFFERED DUE TO over SIMPLIFICATION- the bible was a > > fore bidden one for ages once it became common it was good for a short > > time, now so simple that like any novel can be part of ur bookshelf, > > not ur life. > > simplification of the faith so simple u need to send church only at > > weddings, funerals , funerals u can mail order a wreath too weddings u > > can do same send a bouquet slowly need to go is gone now u can outsource > > prayers as u see Kerala churches pray for UK bhaktas > > in France for 45 churches there is one priest who does all from baptism > > to grave for all but as he cant be every where funeral surely he is and > > the other regular church goers does the MAKE SHIFT priest for weddign, > > baptism etc. > > > > the Church attendance in US is hardly 1 % and Europe 2-2.5.% percent in > > India and Asia where massive conversion is on there is good attendance > > till how they foresaked Hinduism same trend will catch up and will throw > > church also like their westerners. > > > > but having some faith is no harm than no faith, we don't have joint > > families or elders to guide small issues, stress of young weds and > > marriages are breaking families torn apart let there be order, faith in > > some way once we remove symbols we loose the mansion brick by brick ur > > concepts r good for the person who has seen all stages of line not ones > > struggling up the ladder. > > > > u can 1st see people have faith 1st now only IDOL or GOD i money none > > else so try to get the image shifted then we can look at the idol u > > said. > > > > LET THEIR BE FAITH, IDOLS, SYMBOLS, DELIGHT IN THE WORKMANSHIP OF > > FELLOW HUMANS who earn a living even making them, taking care of them > > worshipping them or even smuggling them to richer pastures. > > > > > > > > surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > You asked me whether I am following it or not? The answer is yes. I > > have identified the lord in human form by the divine knowledge > > preached by Him and serving Him in His mission by way of divine > > knowledge propagation and contributing some money as per my capacity. > > > > Here, in this mission of Lord datta Swamiji, only practical > > knowledge is preached and propagated. No theoretical and imaginary > > worships. Why to provide innumerable number of feasts to the Lord in > > the imagination? Give Him a handful of rice in the reality. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > Dear Sri Ganesh, > > > Not required actually because then You tend to get entangled in > > > this replying busines thus essential time is lost which could have > > > been utilsed for more fruitful.... > > > But dont worry, he is well paid missionary.,will come back > > > periodically to distort statements from ........ > > > and push his ideologies.... > > > > > > Bye. > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group > > but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to > > . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Prafulla Sir, Bairagi adhe maje toh jeevan ke loot nahin pate. Daya kariye unpar. Ab chod dijiye unko, , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > yes, even this movie is great in philosophic terms..it tells the definition of paap and punya. it is all to one's sakshi maan..which defines it as paap or punya > > and the lines of the song - yeh jeevan ek tapasya hi - yeh tum bairagi kya jano...... > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:41:07 -0000 > > > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > > Yes Sir, its easy for a grahasta to reach God by performing his daily > > karmas alloted to him, while much harder for a tapasvi . > > This song is very good to hear and beautiful wordings. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Surya ji > >> > >> see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and sansarik > > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for both. > > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being > > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > >> > >> Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi > > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > >> > >> I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep > > kumar and mina kumari. and there is famous song - sansar se bhage > > phirta ho, bhagwan ko tum kys paoga; eis jeevan ko apna ne sake, us > > jiven ko kya apnaoge....Towards the end of climax - sadhu ashok kumar > > tries to rape the mina kumari and mina kumari, who is playing the > > role of prostitute - becomes sadhvi.. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by > > candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to > > do their work during the daytime? > >> > >> > >>> > >>> gbp_kumar@ > >>> Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT) > >>> > >>> Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > >>> > >>> Surya, > >>> this posts of urs on datta and saying all other images, idols > > practices > >>> r useless will render the faith v weak already targeted by > > numerous > >>> fakes around and mas conversions by imperialistic faiths. > >>> > >>> u need an image to concentrate or associate ur payers any day > > while > >>> living in the mundane world striving to earn a living for the > > self, > >>> family and society too many do help one another in distress > > whether he > >>> can afford or not. and times of stress no image may not help > >>> Rather helps in the bhakta briging his wandering mind back > >>> for saints or ones who have given up the need to work bu giving > > all > >>> they have to the ashrams and then living in a sheltered life no > > need to > >>> earn we can say any thing which wont help the normal person > >>> the CHURCH HAS SUFFERED DUE TO over SIMPLIFICATION- the bible > > was a > >>> fore bidden one for ages once it became common it was good for a > > short > >>> time, now so simple that like any novel can be part of ur > > bookshelf, > >>> not ur life. > >>> simplification of the faith so simple u need to send church > > only at > >>> weddings, funerals , funerals u can mail order a wreath too > > weddings u > >>> can do same send a bouquet slowly need to go is gone now u can > > outsource > >>> prayers as u see Kerala churches pray for UK bhaktas > >>> in France for 45 churches there is one priest who does all from > > baptism > >>> to grave for all but as he cant be every where funeral surely he > > is and > >>> the other regular church goers does the MAKE SHIFT priest for > > weddign, > >>> baptism etc. > >>> > >>> the Church attendance in US is hardly 1 % and Europe 2-2.5.% > > percent in > >>> India and Asia where massive conversion is on there is good > > attendance > >>> till how they foresaked Hinduism same trend will catch up and > > will throw > >>> church also like their westerners. > >>> > >>> but having some faith is no harm than no faith, we don't have > > joint > >>> families or elders to guide small issues, stress of young weds and > >>> marriages are breaking families torn apart let there be order, > > faith in > >>> some way once we remove symbols we loose the mansion brick by > > brick ur > >>> concepts r good for the person who has seen all stages of line > > not ones > >>> struggling up the ladder. > >>> > >>> u can 1st see people have faith 1st now only IDOL or GOD i > > money none > >>> else so try to get the image shifted then we can look at the > > idol u > >>> said. > >>> > >>> LET THEIR BE FAITH, IDOLS, SYMBOLS, DELIGHT IN THE WORKMANSHIP > > OF > >>> FELLOW HUMANS who earn a living even making them, taking care of > > them > >>> worshipping them or even smuggling them to richer pastures. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > >>> You asked me whether I am following it or not? The answer is yes. > > I > >>> have identified the lord in human form by the divine knowledge > >>> preached by Him and serving Him in His mission by way of divine > >>> knowledge propagation and contributing some money as per my > > capacity. > >>> > >>> Here, in this mission of Lord datta Swamiji, only practical > >>> knowledge is preached and propagated. No theoretical and > > imaginary > >>> worships. Why to provide innumerable number of feasts to the > > Lord in > >>> the imagination? Give Him a handful of rice in the reality. > >>> > >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > >>> surya > >>> www.universal-spirituality.org > >>> > >>> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > Dear Sri Ganesh, > >>> > Not required actually because then You tend to get entangled > > in > >>> > this replying busines thus essential time is lost which could > > have > >>> > been utilsed for more fruitful.... > >>> > But dont worry, he is well paid missionary.,will come back > >>> > periodically to distort statements from ........ > >>> > and push his ideologies.... > >>> > > >>> > Bye. > >>> > Bhaskar > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Prashantkumar G B > >>> > >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > group > >>> but > >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > > phone. > >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- > >>> 09840051861 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy > > changes to > >>> . > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear Shri Sharma ji very well said. and the "sher" is too good. regards / Prafulla Gang Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > polite_astro > Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:16:24 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Idol Worship -Prafulla / Bhaskar > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear, > As i say again and again the said chaupaie of Ramcharitmans as - > "PARHIT SARIS DHARAM NAHI BHAI,PAR PEEDA SAM NAHI ADHMAHI." > but must do the same by all three means as MANSA,WACHA and KARMANA.Ho > gai pooja.It is not harder either to tapasvi or grasthi truly and have > firm belief in Kind God and ourselves.Think positively and fight with the > problems bravely as- > "YE PAST HONSALE WALE TERA SAATH KYA DENGE, > JINDAGI MERE PAAS AA TUJHE HAM GUJAARENGE." > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Yes Sir, its easy for a grahasta to reach God by performing his daily > karmas alloted to him, while much harder for a tapasvi . > This song is very good to hear and beautiful wordings. > > > , Prafulla Gang > wrote: >> >> Dear Surya ji >> >> see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and sansarik > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for both. > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. >> >> Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. >> >> I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep > kumar and mina kumari. and there is famous song - sansar se bhage > phirta ho, bhagwan ko tum kys paoga; eis jeevan ko apna ne sake, us > jiven ko kya apnaoge....Towards the end of climax - sadhu ashok kumar > tries to rape the mina kumari and mina kumari, who is playing the > role of prostitute - becomes sadhvi.. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by > candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to > do their work during the daytime? >> >> >>> >>> gbp_kumar >>> Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> Re: Idol Worship 1/8 >>> >>> Surya, >>> this posts of urs on datta and saying all other images, idols > practices >>> r useless will render the faith v weak already targeted by > numerous >>> fakes around and mas conversions by imperialistic faiths. >>> >>> u need an image to concentrate or associate ur payers any day > while >>> living in the mundane world striving to earn a living for the > self, >>> family and society too many do help one another in distress > whether he >>> can afford or not. and times of stress no image may not help >>> Rather helps in the bhakta briging his wandering mind back >>> for saints or ones who have given up the need to work bu giving > all >>> they have to the ashrams and then living in a sheltered life no > need to >>> earn we can say any thing which wont help the normal person >>> the CHURCH HAS SUFFERED DUE TO over SIMPLIFICATION- the bible > was a >>> fore bidden one for ages once it became common it was good for a > short >>> time, now so simple that like any novel can be part of ur > bookshelf, >>> not ur life. >>> simplification of the faith so simple u need to send church > only at >>> weddings, funerals , funerals u can mail order a wreath too > weddings u >>> can do same send a bouquet slowly need to go is gone now u can > outsource >>> prayers as u see Kerala churches pray for UK bhaktas >>> in France for 45 churches there is one priest who does all from > baptism >>> to grave for all but as he cant be every where funeral surely he > is and >>> the other regular church goers does the MAKE SHIFT priest for > weddign, >>> baptism etc. >>> >>> the Church attendance in US is hardly 1 % and Europe 2-2.5.% > percent in >>> India and Asia where massive conversion is on there is good > attendance >>> till how they foresaked Hinduism same trend will catch up and > will throw >>> church also like their westerners. >>> >>> but having some faith is no harm than no faith, we don't have > joint >>> families or elders to guide small issues, stress of young weds and >>> marriages are breaking families torn apart let there be order, > faith in >>> some way once we remove symbols we loose the mansion brick by > brick ur >>> concepts r good for the person who has seen all stages of line > not ones >>> struggling up the ladder. >>> >>> u can 1st see people have faith 1st now only IDOL or GOD i > money none >>> else so try to get the image shifted then we can look at the > idol u >>> said. >>> >>> LET THEIR BE FAITH, IDOLS, SYMBOLS, DELIGHT IN THE WORKMANSHIP > OF >>> FELLOW HUMANS who earn a living even making them, taking care of > them >>> worshipping them or even smuggling them to richer pastures. >>> >>> >>> >>> surya wrote: >>> You asked me whether I am following it or not? The answer is yes. > I >>> have identified the lord in human form by the divine knowledge >>> preached by Him and serving Him in His mission by way of divine >>> knowledge propagation and contributing some money as per my > capacity. >>> >>> Here, in this mission of Lord datta Swamiji, only practical >>> knowledge is preached and propagated. No theoretical and > imaginary >>> worships. Why to provide innumerable number of feasts to the > Lord in >>> the imagination? Give Him a handful of rice in the reality. >>> >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>> surya >>> www.universal-spirituality.org >>> >>> "bhaskar_jyotish" wrote: >>>> Dear Sri Ganesh, >>>> Not required actually because then You tend to get entangled > in >>>> this replying busines thus essential time is lost which could > have >>>> been utilsed for more fruitful.... >>>> But dont worry, he is well paid missionary.,will come back >>>> periodically to distort statements from ........ >>>> and push his ideologies.... >>>> >>>> Bye. >>>> Bhaskar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prashantkumar G B >>> >>> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group >>> but >>> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or > phone. >>> Please fix times for this in advance -*- >>> 09840051861 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy > changes to >>> . >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Kumar ji, My two cents, if I may. I think the basic issue in worship is about faith and belief. Faith and belief are not constant and grow, evolve and change. I have been told about instances where individuals start out with feeling a strong leaning towards, shiva murthis, shivalingas, and more subtle forms of Deity. At each stage there was a conscious choice and a nudge from the Universe. But the progression was always from matter to energy. Idol to thought, to more subtle realms. Reminds me of someone who was introduced to a mantra. For years, the mantra was chanted loudly, written thousands of times, then the individual just felt that it would be appropriate to chant silently without any participation of body as in vocal apparatus and lungs. The chanting became deeper and more silent and then at one point the soul instructed that it is time to project the mantra outside to the entire universe. At one point, suddenly the individual experienced that the Universe was chanting and not he alone or separately. He finally 'received' the mantra and resonance was complete! rohiniranjan , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Surya, > this posts of urs on datta and saying all other images, idols practices r useless will render the faith v weak already targeted by numerous fakes around and mas conversions by imperialistic faiths. > > u need an image to concentrate or associate ur payers any day while living in the mundane world striving to earn a living for the self, family and society too many do help one another in distress whether he can afford or not. and times of stress no image may not help > Rather helps in the bhakta briging his wandering mind back > for saints or ones who have given up the need to work bu giving all they have to the ashrams and then living in a sheltered life no need to earn we can say any thing which wont help the normal person > the CHURCH HAS SUFFERED DUE TO over SIMPLIFICATION- the bible was a fore bidden one for ages once it became common it was good for a short time, now so simple that like any novel can be part of ur bookshelf, not ur life. > simplification of the faith so simple u need to send church only at weddings, funerals , funerals u can mail order a wreath too weddings u can do same send a bouquet slowly need to go is gone now u can outsource prayers as u see Kerala churches pray for UK bhaktas > in France for 45 churches there is one priest who does all from baptism to grave for all but as he cant be every where funeral surely he is and the other regular church goers does the MAKE SHIFT priest for weddign, baptism etc. > > the Church attendance in US is hardly 1 % and Europe 2-2.5.% percent in India and Asia where massive conversion is on there is good attendance till how they foresaked Hinduism same trend will catch up and will throw church also like their westerners. > > but having some faith is no harm than no faith, we don't have joint families or elders to guide small issues, stress of young weds and marriages are breaking families torn apart let there be order, faith in some way once we remove symbols we loose the mansion brick by brick ur concepts r good for the person who has seen all stages of line not ones struggling up the ladder. > > u can 1st see people have faith 1st now only IDOL or GOD i money none else so try to get the image shifted then we can look at the idol u said. > > LET THEIR BE FAITH, IDOLS, SYMBOLS, DELIGHT IN THE WORKMANSHIP OF FELLOW HUMANS who earn a living even making them, taking care of them worshipping them or even smuggling them to richer pastures. > > > > surya <dattapr2000 wrote: You asked me whether I am following it or not? The answer is yes. I > have identified the lord in human form by the divine knowledge > preached by Him and serving Him in His mission by way of divine > knowledge propagation and contributing some money as per my capacity. > > Here, in this mission of Lord datta Swamiji, only practical > knowledge is preached and propagated. No theoretical and imaginary > worships. Why to provide innumerable number of feasts to the Lord in > the imagination? Give Him a handful of rice in the reality. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Sri Ganesh, > > Not required actually because then You tend to get entangled in > > this replying busines thus essential time is lost which could have > > been utilsed for more fruitful.... > > But dont worry, he is well paid missionary.,will come back > > periodically to distort statements from ........ > > and push his ideologies.... > > > > Bye. > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human beings has got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write any script and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be authority for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only authority. Take the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are real devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the movie, ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing saffron is not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true saint. When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow is donated (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to the hell because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a river of blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the hell. But when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is not donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who is doing all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri Mantra is going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these things and is doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does not mean removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The quaky uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is valid while doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He who works for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of two parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work in the form of money to the deserving people. Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical sacrifice will bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing these two things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His son does these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and not the father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord while he is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one should sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving people while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach the dead person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in the upper world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. The Lord will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in all the worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was given so that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there is no truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he is alive does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara, Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation of divine knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never bothered about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge (Archiraadi Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said that such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa Tanuthyajah, Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path of the service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals after death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on his sons for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons will not be able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of the work (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the undeserving persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. Therefore it is better to do the donation while one is alive by searching a proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of Lord or at least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the rituals is not understood, performing the rituals after the death are simply a waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the priests are reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape recorders. The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. When you donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the real fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has prayed the Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is alive such rituals are not necessary for him after his death. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Surya ji > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and sansarik is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for both. You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep kumar and mina kumari. > regards / Prafulla Gang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 dear suryaji all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention or objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus feet of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they all create their own groups where likeminded people approach and sing the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos and do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen or godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a godmen which he is not comfortable with. firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject of astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers (like me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement with continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault with all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your datta swami himself is married and have kids as well. if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing great service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge towards helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to start with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and suggest them some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on astrological analysis. by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, as i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new lessons from you on this divine subject. with best wishes pandit arjun (only a highly learnt person realises that what he learnt is modicum) , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human beings has > got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write any script > and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, > politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be authority > for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only authority. Take > the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are real > devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the movie, > ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing saffron is > not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true saint. > > When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow is donated > (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to the hell > because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a river of > blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the hell. But > when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is not > donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who is doing > all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri Mantra is > going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these things and is > doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does not mean > removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The quaky > uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is valid while > doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He who works > for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of two > parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work in the > form of money to the deserving people. > > Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical sacrifice will > bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing these two > things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His son does > these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and not the > father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord while he > is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one should > sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving people > while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach the dead > person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in the upper > world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. The Lord > will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in all the > worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was given so > that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there is no > truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he is alive > does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara, > Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation of divine > knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never bothered > about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge (Archiraadi > Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said that > such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa Tanuthyajah, > Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path of the > service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals after > death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a > deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on his sons > for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons will not be > able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of the work > (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the undeserving > persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. Therefore > it is better to do the donation while one is alive by searching a > proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of Lord or at > least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the rituals is > not understood, performing the rituals after the death are simply a > waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the priests are > reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape recorders. > The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. When you > donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the real > fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has prayed the > Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is alive such > rituals are not necessary for him after his death. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Surya ji > > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and sansarik > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for both. > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep > kumar and mina kumari. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Suryaji, Sir that is what creates problems for You. I told You dont misquote. Crossing Vaitarni does not mean going to hell necessarily. Those who are evil on earth they fall in the pus and blood, but others who have remained good are allowed to be ferried to the other shore. Again there are different stages for different types of human behaviours. Please read Garuda Purana immediately. It will not take more than 3-4 hours if You are really interested. Bhaskar. , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human beings has > got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write any script > and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, > politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be authority > for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only authority. Take > the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are real > devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the movie, > ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing saffron is > not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true saint. > > When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow is donated > (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to the hell > because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a river of > blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the hell. But > when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is not > donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who is doing > all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri Mantra is > going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these things and is > doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does not mean > removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The quaky > uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is valid while > doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He who works > for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of two > parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work in the > form of money to the deserving people. > > Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical sacrifice will > bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing these two > things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His son does > these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and not the > father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord while he > is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one should > sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving people > while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach the dead > person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in the upper > world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. The Lord > will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in all the > worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was given so > that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there is no > truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he is alive > does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara, > Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation of divine > knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never bothered > about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge (Archiraadi > Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said that > such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa Tanuthyajah, > Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path of the > service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals after > death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a > deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on his sons > for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons will not be > able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of the work > (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the undeserving > persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. Therefore > it is better to do the donation while one is alive by searching a > proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of Lord or at > least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the rituals is > not understood, performing the rituals after the death are simply a > waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the priests are > reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape recorders. > The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. When you > donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the real > fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has prayed the > Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is alive such > rituals are not necessary for him after his death. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Surya ji > > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and sansarik > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for both. > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep > kumar and mina kumari. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Panditji, Pranam, Very well said.You had given a posting to this effect 2-3 days back too to the gentleman which was also superbly written, but it seems this gentleman has been given a job to do what he is doing, so cant blame him really, an instrument,though he should now realise what he is upto and move away. affectionately, Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear suryaji > > all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention or > objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus feet > of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india > has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of > guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they all > create their own groups where likeminded people approach and sing > the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos and > do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen or > godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a > godmen which he is not comfortable with. > > firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject of > astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers (like > me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement with > continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault with > all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your datta > swami himself is married and have kids as well. > > if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and > happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing great > service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge towards > helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to start > with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and suggest them > some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on astrological > analysis. > > by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta > swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, as > i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new > lessons from you on this divine subject. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (only a highly learnt person realises that what he learnt is modicum) > > > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > wrote: > > > > your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human beings > has > > got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write any > script > > and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, > > politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be > authority > > for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only authority. > Take > > the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are real > > devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the > movie, > > ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing saffron > is > > not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true saint. > > > > When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow is > donated > > (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to the > hell > > because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a > river of > > blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the hell. > But > > when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is not > > donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who is > doing > > all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri Mantra > is > > going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these things > and is > > doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does not > mean > > removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The quaky > > uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is valid > while > > doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He who > works > > for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of two > > parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work in the > > form of money to the deserving people. > > > > Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical sacrifice > will > > bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing these > two > > things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His son > does > > these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and not > the > > father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord > while he > > is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one should > > sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving > people > > while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach the > dead > > person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in the > upper > > world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. The > Lord > > will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in all > the > > worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was > given so > > that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there is > no > > truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he is > alive > > does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara, > > Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation of > divine > > knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never > bothered > > about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge > (Archiraadi > > Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said that > > such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa > Tanuthyajah, > > Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path of > the > > service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals after > > death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a > > deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on his > sons > > for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons will not > be > > able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of the > work > > (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the undeserving > > persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. > Therefore > > it is better to do the donation while one is alive by searching a > > proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of Lord > or at > > least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the rituals > is > > not understood, performing the rituals after the death are simply > a > > waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the priests > are > > reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape > recorders. > > The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. When > you > > donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the real > > fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has prayed > the > > Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is alive > such > > rituals are not necessary for him after his death. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > Dear Surya ji > > > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and > sansarik > > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for > both. > > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being > > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > > > > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi > > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > > > > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep > > kumar and mina kumari. > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 dear bhaskarji here is a positive learning experience from this gentleman surya. he never takes objection to any criticism by anyone and rather comes back with increased contribution and more voluminous spiritual knowledge to enlighten the critic till he or she start feeling the signs of enlightenment and fall at the lotus feet of kalki avataar datta swamiji. also please note that he never uses capitals or hurl abuses like others and is doing his job perfectly. my personal appreciation of his cool temparament and such persons in corporate world always surpass their targets and succeed well. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun (truth can neither be created nor destroyed, for truth is god and god is truth) , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > Pranam, > > Very well said.You had given a posting to this effect 2-3 days back > too to the gentleman which was also superbly written, but it seems > this gentleman has been given a job to do what he is doing, so > cant blame him really, an instrument,though he should now realise > what he is upto and move away. > > affectionately, > Bhaskar. > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear suryaji > > > > all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention or > > objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus feet > > of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india > > has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of > > guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they > all > > create their own groups where likeminded people approach and sing > > the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos and > > do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > > outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen or > > godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a > > godmen which he is not comfortable with. > > > > firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject of > > astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > > grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers (like > > me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement with > > continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault with > > all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your datta > > swami himself is married and have kids as well. > > > > if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > > available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and > > happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > > grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing > great > > service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge towards > > helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to start > > with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and suggest them > > some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on astrological > > analysis. > > > > by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta > > swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, as > > i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new > > lessons from you on this divine subject. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (only a highly learnt person realises that what he learnt is > modicum) > > > > > > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human beings > > has > > > got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write any > > script > > > and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, > > > politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be > > authority > > > for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only authority. > > Take > > > the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are real > > > devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the > > movie, > > > ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing saffron > > is > > > not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true saint. > > > > > > When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow is > > donated > > > (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to the > > hell > > > because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a > > river of > > > blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the hell. > > But > > > when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is not > > > donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who is > > doing > > > all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri Mantra > > is > > > going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these things > > and is > > > doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does not > > mean > > > removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The quaky > > > uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is valid > > while > > > doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He who > > works > > > for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of two > > > parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work in > the > > > form of money to the deserving people. > > > > > > Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical sacrifice > > will > > > bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing these > > two > > > things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His son > > does > > > these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and not > > the > > > father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord > > while he > > > is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one should > > > sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving > > people > > > while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach the > > dead > > > person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in the > > upper > > > world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. The > > Lord > > > will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in all > > the > > > worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was > > given so > > > that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there is > > no > > > truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he is > > alive > > > does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara, > > > Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation of > > divine > > > knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never > > bothered > > > about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge > > (Archiraadi > > > Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said > that > > > such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa > > Tanuthyajah, > > > Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path of > > the > > > service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals after > > > death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a > > > deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on his > > sons > > > for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons will > not > > be > > > able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of the > > work > > > (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the > undeserving > > > persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. > > Therefore > > > it is better to do the donation while one is alive by searching a > > > proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of Lord > > or at > > > least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the > rituals > > is > > > not understood, performing the rituals after the death are simply > > a > > > waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the priests > > are > > > reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape > > recorders. > > > The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. When > > you > > > donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the real > > > fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has prayed > > the > > > Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is alive > > such > > > rituals are not necessary for him after his death. > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > surya > > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Surya ji > > > > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and > > sansarik > > > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for > > both. > > > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being > > > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > > > > > > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi > acchi > > > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > > > > > > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring > pradeep > > > kumar and mina kumari. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Bharat ji You were very correct, that the long mail of few pages will come in reply!!!! regards / Prafulla Gang Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:46:10 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > Dear Suryaji, > > Sir that is what creates problems for You. I told You dont misquote. > Crossing Vaitarni does not mean going to hell necessarily. Those > who are evil on earth they fall in the pus and blood, but others who > have remained good are allowed to be ferried to the other shore. > Again there are different stages for different types of human > behaviours. Please read Garuda Purana immediately. It will not take > more than 3-4 hours if You are really interested. > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "surya" <dattapr2000 > wrote: >> >> your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human beings > has >> got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write any > script >> and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, >> politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be > authority >> for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only authority. > Take >> the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are real >> devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the movie, >> ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing saffron is >> not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true saint. >> >> When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow is > donated >> (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to the > hell >> because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a river > of >> blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the hell. But >> when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is not >> donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who is > doing >> all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri Mantra > is >> going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these things and > is >> doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does not > mean >> removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The quaky >> uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is valid > while >> doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He who > works >> for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of two >> parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work in the >> form of money to the deserving people. >> >> Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical sacrifice > will >> bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing these two >> things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His son > does >> these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and not > the >> father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord while > he >> is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one should >> sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving > people >> while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach the > dead >> person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in the > upper >> world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. The > Lord >> will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in all the >> worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was given > so >> that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there is no >> truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he is > alive >> does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara, >> Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation of > divine >> knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never > bothered >> about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge (Archiraadi >> Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said that >> such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa Tanuthyajah, >> Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path of > the >> service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals after >> death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a >> deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on his > sons >> for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons will not > be >> able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of the > work >> (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the undeserving >> persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. > Therefore >> it is better to do the donation while one is alive by searching a >> proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of Lord or > at >> least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the rituals > is >> not understood, performing the rituals after the death are simply a >> waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the priests > are >> reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape > recorders. >> The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. When > you >> donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the real >> fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has prayed > the >> Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is alive > such >> rituals are not necessary for him after his death. >> >> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >> surya >> http://www.universal-spirituality.org >> >> >> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>> Dear Surya ji >>> see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and > sansarik >> is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for both. >> You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being >> (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. >>> >>> Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi >> gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. >>> >>> I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep >> kumar and mina kumari. >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Panditji, Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or voulmnious spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he was never attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by arguing with him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his temparement can be used in the right direction. His masters are misusing him. I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of all men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. priests chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this rubbish Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we dont want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with his family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly pleasures, just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co-relate properly. He can be made good use of in the corporate world, yes. Also in my business, I have lakhs to come from people who dont pay,if I send him there, they will certainly cough up the money, but will not be able to cope up with his cool temperament and long sermons, so all will be happy. affectionately, Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > here is a positive learning experience from this gentleman surya. > he never takes objection to any criticism by anyone and rather comes > back with increased contribution and more voluminous spiritual > knowledge to enlighten the critic till he or she start feeling the > signs of enlightenment and fall at the lotus feet of kalki avataar > datta swamiji. > > also please note that he never uses capitals or hurl abuses like > others and is doing his job perfectly. my personal appreciation of > his cool temparament and such persons in corporate world always > surpass their targets and succeed well. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > (truth can neither be created nor destroyed, for truth is god and > god is truth) > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > Pranam, > > > > Very well said.You had given a posting to this effect 2-3 days > back > > too to the gentleman which was also superbly written, but it seems > > this gentleman has been given a job to do what he is doing, so > > cant blame him really, an instrument,though he should now realise > > what he is upto and move away. > > > > affectionately, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear suryaji > > > > > > all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention > or > > > objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus > feet > > > of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). > india > > > has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of > > > guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they > > all > > > create their own groups where likeminded people approach and > sing > > > the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos > and > > > do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > > > outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen > or > > > godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a > > > godmen which he is not comfortable with. > > > > > > firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject > of > > > astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > > > grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers > (like > > > me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement > with > > > continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault > with > > > all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your > datta > > > swami himself is married and have kids as well. > > > > > > if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > > > available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and > > > happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > > > grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing > > great > > > service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge > towards > > > helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to > start > > > with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and suggest > them > > > some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on > astrological > > > analysis. > > > > > > by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta > > > swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, > as > > > i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new > > > lessons from you on this divine subject. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > (only a highly learnt person realises that what he learnt is > > modicum) > > > > > > > > > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human > beings > > > has > > > > got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write any > > > script > > > > and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, > > > > politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be > > > authority > > > > for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only > authority. > > > Take > > > > the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are > real > > > > devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the > > > movie, > > > > ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing > saffron > > > is > > > > not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true > saint. > > > > > > > > When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow is > > > donated > > > > (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to > the > > > hell > > > > because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a > > > river of > > > > blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the > hell. > > > But > > > > when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is > not > > > > donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who > is > > > doing > > > > all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri > Mantra > > > is > > > > going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these > things > > > and is > > > > doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does > not > > > mean > > > > removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The > quaky > > > > uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is > valid > > > while > > > > doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He > who > > > works > > > > for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of > two > > > > parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work in > > the > > > > form of money to the deserving people. > > > > > > > > Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical > sacrifice > > > will > > > > bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing > these > > > two > > > > things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His > son > > > does > > > > these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and > not > > > the > > > > father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord > > > while he > > > > is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one > should > > > > sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving > > > people > > > > while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach > the > > > dead > > > > person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in the > > > upper > > > > world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. > The > > > Lord > > > > will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in > all > > > the > > > > worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was > > > given so > > > > that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there > is > > > no > > > > truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he > is > > > alive > > > > does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara, > > > > Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation > of > > > divine > > > > knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never > > > bothered > > > > about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge > > > (Archiraadi > > > > Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said > > that > > > > such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa > > > Tanuthyajah, > > > > Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path > of > > > the > > > > service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals > after > > > > death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a > > > > deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on > his > > > sons > > > > for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons will > > not > > > be > > > > able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of > the > > > work > > > > (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the > > undeserving > > > > persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. > > > Therefore > > > > it is better to do the donation while one is alive by > searching a > > > > proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of > Lord > > > or at > > > > least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the > > rituals > > > is > > > > not understood, performing the rituals after the death are > simply > > > a > > > > waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the > priests > > > are > > > > reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape > > > recorders. > > > > The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. > When > > > you > > > > donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the > real > > > > fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has > prayed > > > the > > > > Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is > alive > > > such > > > > rituals are not necessary for him after his death. > > > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > > surya > > > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Surya ji > > > > > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and > > > sansarik > > > > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for > > > both. > > > > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human > being > > > > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > > > > > > > > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi > > acchi > > > > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > > > > > > > > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring > > pradeep > > > > kumar and mina kumari. > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 dear bhaskarji many godmen are famous akin to various highly successful film directors in one man shows. the same man is director, actor, storywriter, screenplay, editing, lyrics, singing, music and all other roles. similarly most godmen do these things on their own directly or indirectly and hence while criticising such mails we shall show some respect as if we are dealing directly with that godman. this is my personal opinion as my mother taught me in childhood that for any godman, if we dont do "poojan" let us also not do "dooshan". with best wishes pandit arjun (ramdevji is the single largest contributor for promotion of yoga India has ever seen and crores of people have started simple pranayama and are seeing the miraculous benefits of pranayama. such people are the real avataars of god) , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, > (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back > with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or voulmnious > spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he was never > attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by arguing with > him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his temparement > can be used in the right direction. His masters are misusing him. > > I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. > Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of all > men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. priests > chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this rubbish > Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we dont > want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising > misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with his > family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly pleasures, > just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co-relate properly. > > He can be made good use of in the corporate world, yes. > Also in my business, I have lakhs to come from people who dont pay,if > I send him there, they will certainly cough up the money, but will > not be able to cope up with his cool temperament and long sermons, > so all will be happy. > > affectionately, > Bhaskar. > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > here is a positive learning experience from this gentleman surya. > > he never takes objection to any criticism by anyone and rather > comes > > back with increased contribution and more voluminous spiritual > > knowledge to enlighten the critic till he or she start feeling the > > signs of enlightenment and fall at the lotus feet of kalki avataar > > datta swamiji. > > > > also please note that he never uses capitals or hurl abuses like > > others and is doing his job perfectly. my personal appreciation of > > his cool temparament and such persons in corporate world always > > surpass their targets and succeed well. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > (truth can neither be created nor destroyed, for truth is god and > > god is truth) > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > Pranam, > > > > > > Very well said.You had given a posting to this effect 2-3 days > > back > > > too to the gentleman which was also superbly written, but it seems > > > this gentleman has been given a job to do what he is doing, so > > > cant blame him really, an instrument,though he should now realise > > > what he is upto and move away. > > > > > > affectionately, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear suryaji > > > > > > > > all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention > > or > > > > objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus > > feet > > > > of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). > > india > > > > has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of > > > > guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and > they > > > all > > > > create their own groups where likeminded people approach and > > sing > > > > the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos > > and > > > > do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > > > > outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen > > or > > > > godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a > > > > godmen which he is not comfortable with. > > > > > > > > firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the > subject > > of > > > > astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > > > > grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers > > (like > > > > me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement > > with > > > > continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault > > with > > > > all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your > > datta > > > > swami himself is married and have kids as well. > > > > > > > > if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > > > > available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace > and > > > > happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > > > > grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing > > > great > > > > service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge > > towards > > > > helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to > > start > > > > with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and suggest > > them > > > > some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on > > astrological > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta > > > > swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as > well, > > as > > > > i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new > > > > lessons from you on this divine subject. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > (only a highly learnt person realises that what he learnt is > > > modicum) > > > > > > > > > > > > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human > > beings > > > > has > > > > > got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write > any > > > > script > > > > > and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, > > > > > politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be > > > > authority > > > > > for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only > > authority. > > > > Take > > > > > the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are > > real > > > > > devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the > > > > movie, > > > > > ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing > > saffron > > > > is > > > > > not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true > > saint. > > > > > > > > > > When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow > is > > > > donated > > > > > (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to > > the > > > > hell > > > > > because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a > > > > river of > > > > > blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the > > hell. > > > > But > > > > > when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is > > not > > > > > donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who > > is > > > > doing > > > > > all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri > > Mantra > > > > is > > > > > going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these > > things > > > > and is > > > > > doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does > > not > > > > mean > > > > > removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The > > quaky > > > > > uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is > > valid > > > > while > > > > > doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He > > who > > > > works > > > > > for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of > > two > > > > > parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work > in > > > the > > > > > form of money to the deserving people. > > > > > > > > > > Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical > > sacrifice > > > > will > > > > > bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing > > these > > > > two > > > > > things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His > > son > > > > does > > > > > these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and > > not > > > > the > > > > > father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord > > > > while he > > > > > is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one > > should > > > > > sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving > > > > people > > > > > while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach > > the > > > > dead > > > > > person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in > the > > > > upper > > > > > world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. > > The > > > > Lord > > > > > will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in > > all > > > > the > > > > > worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was > > > > given so > > > > > that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there > > is > > > > no > > > > > truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he > > is > > > > alive > > > > > does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara, > > > > > Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation > > of > > > > divine > > > > > knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never > > > > bothered > > > > > about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge > > > > (Archiraadi > > > > > Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said > > > that > > > > > such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa > > > > Tanuthyajah, > > > > > Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path > > of > > > > the > > > > > service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals > > after > > > > > death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a > > > > > deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on > > his > > > > sons > > > > > for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons > will > > > not > > > > be > > > > > able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of > > the > > > > work > > > > > (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the > > > undeserving > > > > > persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. > > > > Therefore > > > > > it is better to do the donation while one is alive by > > searching a > > > > > proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of > > Lord > > > > or at > > > > > least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the > > > rituals > > > > is > > > > > not understood, performing the rituals after the death are > > simply > > > > a > > > > > waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the > > priests > > > > are > > > > > reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape > > > > recorders. > > > > > The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. > > When > > > > you > > > > > donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the > > real > > > > > fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has > > prayed > > > > the > > > > > Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is > > alive > > > > such > > > > > rituals are not necessary for him after his death. > > > > > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > > > surya > > > > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Surya ji > > > > > > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and > > > > sansarik > > > > > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for > > > > both. > > > > > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human > > being > > > > > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi > > > acchi > > > > > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring > > > pradeep > > > > > kumar and mina kumari. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Arjun ji Who is godman? In my view - all human beings are godman - unless you have used for "special people" regards / Prafulla Gang Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > panditarjun2004 > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:36:19 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > dear bhaskarji > > many godmen are famous akin to various highly successful film > directors in one man shows. the same man is director, actor, > storywriter, screenplay, editing, lyrics, singing, music and all > other roles. similarly most godmen do these things on their own > directly or indirectly and hence while criticising such mails we > shall show some respect as if we are dealing directly with that > godman. > > this is my personal opinion as my mother taught me in childhood that > for any godman, if we dont do "poojan" let us also not do "dooshan". > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (ramdevji is the single largest contributor for promotion of yoga > India has ever seen and crores of people have started simple > pranayama and are seeing the miraculous benefits of pranayama. such > people are the real avataars of god) > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Panditji, >> >> Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, >> (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back >> with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or voulmnious >> spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he was never >> attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by arguing with >> him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his temparement >> can be used in the right direction. His masters are misusing him. >> >> I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. >> Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of > all >> men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. priests >> chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this rubbish >> Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we dont >> want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising >> misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with > his >> family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly > pleasures, >> just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co-relate > properly. >> >> He can be made good use of in the corporate world, yes. >> Also in my business, I have lakhs to come from people who dont > pay,if >> I send him there, they will certainly cough up the money, but will >> not be able to cope up with his cool temperament and long sermons, >> so all will be happy. >> >> affectionately, >> Bhaskar. >> >> >> >> , "panditarjun2004" >> <panditarjun2004@> wrote: >>> >>> dear bhaskarji >>> >>> here is a positive learning experience from this gentleman > surya. >>> he never takes objection to any criticism by anyone and rather >> comes >>> back with increased contribution and more voluminous spiritual >>> knowledge to enlighten the critic till he or she start feeling > the >>> signs of enlightenment and fall at the lotus feet of kalki > avataar >>> datta swamiji. >>> >>> also please note that he never uses capitals or hurl abuses like >>> others and is doing his job perfectly. my personal appreciation > of >>> his cool temparament and such persons in corporate world always >>> surpass their targets and succeed well. >>> >>> with best wishes and blessings >>> pandit arjun >>> (truth can neither be created nor destroyed, for truth is god > and >>> god is truth) >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Panditji, >>>> Pranam, >>>> >>>> Very well said.You had given a posting to this effect 2-3 days >>> back >>>> too to the gentleman which was also superbly written, but it > seems >>>> this gentleman has been given a job to do what he is doing, so >>>> cant blame him really, an instrument,though he should now > realise >>>> what he is upto and move away. >>>> >>>> affectionately, >>>> Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> >>>> , "panditarjun2004" >>>> <panditarjun2004@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> dear suryaji >>>>> >>>>> all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the > intention >>> or >>>>> objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the > lotus >>> feet >>>>> of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). >>> india >>>>> has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort > of >>>>> guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and >> they >>>> all >>>>> create their own groups where likeminded people approach and >>> sing >>>>> the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these > photos >>> and >>>>> do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an >>>>> outsider, who has his own different belief or system or > godmen >>> or >>>>> godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group > of a >>>>> godmen which he is not comfortable with. >>>>> >>>>> firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the >> subject >>> of >>>>> astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also >>>>> grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers >>> (like >>>>> me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of > renouncement >>> with >>>>> continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding > fault >>> with >>>>> all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your >>> datta >>>>> swami himself is married and have kids as well. >>>>> >>>>> if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly >>>>> available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace >> and >>>>> happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by >>>>> grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be > doing >>>> great >>>>> service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge >>> towards >>>>> helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to >>> start >>>>> with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and > suggest >>> them >>>>> some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on >>> astrological >>>>> analysis. >>>>> >>>>> by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor > datta >>>>> swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as >> well, >>> as >>>>> i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few > new >>>>> lessons from you on this divine subject. >>>>> >>>>> with best wishes >>>>> pandit arjun >>>>> (only a highly learnt person realises that what he learnt is >>>> modicum) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , "surya" > <dattapr2000@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human >>> beings >>>>> has >>>>>> got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write >> any >>>>> script >>>>>> and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, >>>>>> politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot > be >>>>> authority >>>>>> for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only >>> authority. >>>>> Take >>>>>> the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are >>> real >>>>>> devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of > the >>>>> movie, >>>>>> ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing >>> saffron >>>>> is >>>>>> not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true >>> saint. >>>>>> >>>>>> When householder dies the rituals are performed and the > cow >> is >>>>> donated >>>>>> (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes > to >>> the >>>>> hell >>>>>> because the cow is donated to help the householder to > cross a >>>>> river of >>>>>> blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the >>> hell. >>>>> But >>>>>> when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow > is >>> not >>>>>> donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder > who >>> is >>>>> doing >>>>>> all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri >>> Mantra >>>>> is >>>>>> going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these >>> things >>>>> and is >>>>>> doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint > does >>> not >>>>> mean >>>>>> removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The >>> quaky >>>>>> uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is >>> valid >>>>> while >>>>>> doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is > He >>> who >>>>> works >>>>>> for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist > of >>> two >>>>>> parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of > work >> in >>>> the >>>>>> form of money to the deserving people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical >>> sacrifice >>>>> will >>>>>> bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing >>> these >>>>> two >>>>>> things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when > His >>> son >>>>> does >>>>>> these things after his death. The son will get the fruits > and >>> not >>>>> the >>>>>> father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the > Lord >>>>> while he >>>>>> is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one >>> should >>>>>> sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to > deserving >>>>> people >>>>>> while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not > reach >>> the >>>>> dead >>>>>> person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in >> the >>>>> upper >>>>>> world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges > food. >>> The >>>>> Lord >>>>>> will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present > in >>> all >>>>> the >>>>>> worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died > was >>>>> given so >>>>>> that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But > there >>> is >>>>> no >>>>>> truth in such threat. A person who did these things while > he >>> is >>>>> alive >>>>>> does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. > Sankara, >>>>>> Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the > propagation >>> of >>>>> divine >>>>>> knowledge and devotion did not have children and they > never >>>>> bothered >>>>>> about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge >>>>> (Archiraadi >>>>>> Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is > said >>>> that >>>>>> such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa >>>>> Tanuthyajah, >>>>>> Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the > path >>> of >>>>> the >>>>>> service of the Lord do not require the son and such > rituals >>> after >>>>>> death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to > donate a >>>>>> deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend > on >>> his >>>>> sons >>>>>> for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons >> will >>>> not >>>>> be >>>>>> able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit > of >>> the >>>>> work >>>>>> (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the >>>> undeserving >>>>>> persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and > money. >>>>> Therefore >>>>>> it is better to do the donation while one is alive by >>> searching a >>>>>> proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation > of >>> Lord >>>>> or at >>>>>> least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the >>>> rituals >>>>> is >>>>>> not understood, performing the rituals after the death are >>> simply >>>>> a >>>>>> waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the >>> priests >>>>> are >>>>>> reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like > tape >>>>> recorders. >>>>>> The concept of prayer is completely lost in such > recitation. >>> When >>>>> you >>>>>> donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get > the >>> real >>>>>> fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has >>> prayed >>>>> the >>>>>> Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is >>> alive >>>>> such >>>>>> rituals are not necessary for him after his death. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>>>>> surya >>>>>> http://www.universal-spirituality.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Surya ji >>>>>>> see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi > and >>>>> sansarik >>>>>> is different; and all religions prescribe different norms > for >>>>> both. >>>>>> You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik > human >>> being >>>>>> (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se > hi >>>> acchi >>>>>> gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring >>>> pradeep >>>>>> kumar and mina kumari. >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Panditji, Yes Sir I agree. I Have said in earlier mails too, that whatever his ways, he is yet a Godman. I respect both master and sevak as men of God, except for the displaced knowledge and preaching part. affectionately, Bhaskar. - In , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > many godmen are famous akin to various highly successful film > directors in one man shows. the same man is director, actor, > storywriter, screenplay, editing, lyrics, singing, music and all > other roles. similarly most godmen do these things on their own > directly or indirectly and hence while criticising such mails we > shall show some respect as if we are dealing directly with that > godman. > > this is my personal opinion as my mother taught me in childhood that > for any godman, if we dont do "poojan" let us also not do "dooshan". > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (ramdevji is the single largest contributor for promotion of yoga > India has ever seen and crores of people have started simple > pranayama and are seeing the miraculous benefits of pranayama. such > people are the real avataars of god) > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, > > (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back > > with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or voulmnious > > spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he was never > > attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by arguing with > > him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his temparement > > can be used in the right direction. His masters are misusing him. > > > > I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. > > Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of > all > > men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. priests > > chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this rubbish > > Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we dont > > want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising > > misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with > his > > family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly > pleasures, > > just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co-relate > properly. > > > > He can be made good use of in the corporate world, yes. > > Also in my business, I have lakhs to come from people who dont > pay,if > > I send him there, they will certainly cough up the money, but will > > not be able to cope up with his cool temperament and long sermons, > > so all will be happy. > > > > affectionately, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > > > here is a positive learning experience from this gentleman > surya. > > > he never takes objection to any criticism by anyone and rather > > comes > > > back with increased contribution and more voluminous spiritual > > > knowledge to enlighten the critic till he or she start feeling > the > > > signs of enlightenment and fall at the lotus feet of kalki > avataar > > > datta swamiji. > > > > > > also please note that he never uses capitals or hurl abuses like > > > others and is doing his job perfectly. my personal appreciation > of > > > his cool temparament and such persons in corporate world always > > > surpass their targets and succeed well. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > (truth can neither be created nor destroyed, for truth is god > and > > > god is truth) > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > > > Very well said.You had given a posting to this effect 2-3 days > > > back > > > > too to the gentleman which was also superbly written, but it > seems > > > > this gentleman has been given a job to do what he is doing, so > > > > cant blame him really, an instrument,though he should now > realise > > > > what he is upto and move away. > > > > > > > > affectionately, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear suryaji > > > > > > > > > > all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the > intention > > > or > > > > > objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the > lotus > > > feet > > > > > of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). > > > india > > > > > has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort > of > > > > > guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and > > they > > > > all > > > > > create their own groups where likeminded people approach and > > > sing > > > > > the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these > photos > > > and > > > > > do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > > > > > outsider, who has his own different belief or system or > godmen > > > or > > > > > godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group > of a > > > > > godmen which he is not comfortable with. > > > > > > > > > > firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the > > subject > > > of > > > > > astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > > > > > grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers > > > (like > > > > > me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of > renouncement > > > with > > > > > continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding > fault > > > with > > > > > all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your > > > datta > > > > > swami himself is married and have kids as well. > > > > > > > > > > if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > > > > > available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace > > and > > > > > happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > > > > > grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be > doing > > > > great > > > > > service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge > > > towards > > > > > helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to > > > start > > > > > with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and > suggest > > > them > > > > > some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on > > > astrological > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor > datta > > > > > swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as > > well, > > > as > > > > > i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few > new > > > > > lessons from you on this divine subject. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > (only a highly learnt person realises that what he learnt is > > > > modicum) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "surya" > <dattapr2000@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human > > > beings > > > > > has > > > > > > got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write > > any > > > > > script > > > > > > and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, > > > > > > politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot > be > > > > > authority > > > > > > for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only > > > authority. > > > > > Take > > > > > > the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are > > > real > > > > > > devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of > the > > > > > movie, > > > > > > ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing > > > saffron > > > > > is > > > > > > not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true > > > saint. > > > > > > > > > > > > When householder dies the rituals are performed and the > cow > > is > > > > > donated > > > > > > (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes > to > > > the > > > > > hell > > > > > > because the cow is donated to help the householder to > cross a > > > > > river of > > > > > > blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the > > > hell. > > > > > But > > > > > > when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow > is > > > not > > > > > > donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder > who > > > is > > > > > doing > > > > > > all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri > > > Mantra > > > > > is > > > > > > going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these > > > things > > > > > and is > > > > > > doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint > does > > > not > > > > > mean > > > > > > removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The > > > quaky > > > > > > uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is > > > valid > > > > > while > > > > > > doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is > He > > > who > > > > > works > > > > > > for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist > of > > > two > > > > > > parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of > work > > in > > > > the > > > > > > form of money to the deserving people. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical > > > sacrifice > > > > > will > > > > > > bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing > > > these > > > > > two > > > > > > things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when > His > > > son > > > > > does > > > > > > these things after his death. The son will get the fruits > and > > > not > > > > > the > > > > > > father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the > Lord > > > > > while he > > > > > > is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one > > > should > > > > > > sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to > deserving > > > > > people > > > > > > while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not > reach > > > the > > > > > dead > > > > > > person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in > > the > > > > > upper > > > > > > world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges > food. > > > The > > > > > Lord > > > > > > will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present > in > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died > was > > > > > given so > > > > > > that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But > there > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > truth in such threat. A person who did these things while > he > > > is > > > > > alive > > > > > > does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. > Sankara, > > > > > > Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the > propagation > > > of > > > > > divine > > > > > > knowledge and devotion did not have children and they > never > > > > > bothered > > > > > > about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge > > > > > (Archiraadi > > > > > > Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is > said > > > > that > > > > > > such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa > > > > > Tanuthyajah, > > > > > > Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the > path > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > service of the Lord do not require the son and such > rituals > > > after > > > > > > death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to > donate a > > > > > > deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend > on > > > his > > > > > sons > > > > > > for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons > > will > > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit > of > > > the > > > > > work > > > > > > (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the > > > > undeserving > > > > > > persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and > money. > > > > > Therefore > > > > > > it is better to do the donation while one is alive by > > > searching a > > > > > > proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation > of > > > Lord > > > > > or at > > > > > > least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the > > > > rituals > > > > > is > > > > > > not understood, performing the rituals after the death are > > > simply > > > > > a > > > > > > waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the > > > priests > > > > > are > > > > > > reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like > tape > > > > > recorders. > > > > > > The concept of prayer is completely lost in such > recitation. > > > When > > > > > you > > > > > > donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get > the > > > real > > > > > > fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has > > > prayed > > > > > the > > > > > > Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is > > > alive > > > > > such > > > > > > rituals are not necessary for him after his death. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > > > > surya > > > > > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Surya ji > > > > > > > see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi > and > > > > > sansarik > > > > > > is different; and all religions prescribe different norms > for > > > > > both. > > > > > > You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik > human > > > being > > > > > > (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se > hi > > > > acchi > > > > > > gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring > > > > pradeep > > > > > > kumar and mina kumari. > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 dear prafullaji "godman" is titled to those persons who CLAIM themselves as god or avataar of god. they are not godmen for all and are treated like that only by their followers. but when media and third person talks about them, they are oft referred as godmen which does not mean we all accpeted them as godmen. with best wishes pandit arjun (truth is horizontal and claim is verical) , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Arjun ji > > Who is godman? In my view - all human beings are godman - unless you have used for "special people" > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:36:19 -0000 > > > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > many godmen are famous akin to various highly successful film > > directors in one man shows. the same man is director, actor, > > storywriter, screenplay, editing, lyrics, singing, music and all > > other roles. similarly most godmen do these things on their own > > directly or indirectly and hence while criticising such mails we > > shall show some respect as if we are dealing directly with that > > godman. > > > > this is my personal opinion as my mother taught me in childhood that > > for any godman, if we dont do "poojan" let us also not do "dooshan". > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (ramdevji is the single largest contributor for promotion of yoga > > India has ever seen and crores of people have started simple > > pranayama and are seeing the miraculous benefits of pranayama. such > > people are the real avataars of god) > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Panditji, > >> > >> Yes I noticed this long back and admired this trait too, > >> (Trait of not taking objection to any criticism ,but coming back > >> with more volumns of sermons-I cant say contribution or voulmnious > >> spiritual knowledge) and was at times wondering when he was never > >> attacking back,whether I am doing the right thing by arguing with > >> him. Yes he can definitely contribute a lot but if his temparement > >> can be used in the right direction. His masters are misusing him. > >> > >> I wanted to ignore his mails, but he keeps on writing rubbish. > >> Now without reading proper texts he comes with wierd stories of > > all > >> men going to hell, shradha etc. as worthless rituals etc. priests > >> chant without knowing meaning etc ? Who can digest all this rubbish > >> Panditji. We are forced to be harsh with this man though we dont > >> want to, God knows in which dark corner he must be practising > >> misplaced spirituality in solitude with his master sleeping with > > his > >> family, and this chap with no proper guidance, no earthly > > pleasures, > >> just maybe a few books which he cant understand or co-relate > > properly. > >> > >> He can be made good use of in the corporate world, yes. > >> Also in my business, I have lakhs to come from people who dont > > pay,if > >> I send him there, they will certainly cough up the money, but will > >> not be able to cope up with his cool temperament and long sermons, > >> so all will be happy. > >> > >> affectionately, > >> Bhaskar. > >> > >> > >> > >> , "panditarjun2004" > >> <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > >>> > >>> dear bhaskarji > >>> > >>> here is a positive learning experience from this gentleman > > surya. > >>> he never takes objection to any criticism by anyone and rather > >> comes > >>> back with increased contribution and more voluminous spiritual > >>> knowledge to enlighten the critic till he or she start feeling > > the > >>> signs of enlightenment and fall at the lotus feet of kalki > > avataar > >>> datta swamiji. > >>> > >>> also please note that he never uses capitals or hurl abuses like > >>> others and is doing his job perfectly. my personal appreciation > > of > >>> his cool temparament and such persons in corporate world always > >>> surpass their targets and succeed well. > >>> > >>> with best wishes and blessings > >>> pandit arjun > >>> (truth can neither be created nor destroyed, for truth is god > > and > >>> god is truth) > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Panditji, > >>>> Pranam, > >>>> > >>>> Very well said.You had given a posting to this effect 2-3 days > >>> back > >>>> too to the gentleman which was also superbly written, but it > > seems > >>>> this gentleman has been given a job to do what he is doing, so > >>>> cant blame him really, an instrument,though he should now > > realise > >>>> what he is upto and move away. > >>>> > >>>> affectionately, > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , "panditarjun2004" > >>>> <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> dear suryaji > >>>>> > >>>>> all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the > > intention > >>> or > >>>>> objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the > > lotus > >>> feet > >>>>> of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). > >>> india > >>>>> has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort > > of > >>>>> guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and > >> they > >>>> all > >>>>> create their own groups where likeminded people approach and > >>> sing > >>>>> the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these > > photos > >>> and > >>>>> do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > >>>>> outsider, who has his own different belief or system or > > godmen > >>> or > >>>>> godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group > > of a > >>>>> godmen which he is not comfortable with. > >>>>> > >>>>> firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the > >> subject > >>> of > >>>>> astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > >>>>> grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers > >>> (like > >>>>> me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of > > renouncement > >>> with > >>>>> continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding > > fault > >>> with > >>>>> all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your > >>> datta > >>>>> swami himself is married and have kids as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > >>>>> available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace > >> and > >>>>> happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > >>>>> grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be > > doing > >>>> great > >>>>> service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge > >>> towards > >>>>> helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to > >>> start > >>>>> with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and > > suggest > >>> them > >>>>> some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on > >>> astrological > >>>>> analysis. > >>>>> > >>>>> by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor > > datta > >>>>> swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as > >> well, > >>> as > >>>>> i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few > > new > >>>>> lessons from you on this divine subject. > >>>>> > >>>>> with best wishes > >>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>> (only a highly learnt person realises that what he learnt is > >>>> modicum) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "surya" > > <dattapr2000@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human > >>> beings > >>>>> has > >>>>>> got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write > >> any > >>>>> script > >>>>>> and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings, > >>>>>> politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot > > be > >>>>> authority > >>>>>> for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only > >>> authority. > >>>>> Take > >>>>>> the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are > >>> real > >>>>>> devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of > > the > >>>>> movie, > >>>>>> ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing > >>> saffron > >>>>> is > >>>>>> not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true > >>> saint. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When householder dies the rituals are performed and the > > cow > >> is > >>>>> donated > >>>>>> (Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes > > to > >>> the > >>>>> hell > >>>>>> because the cow is donated to help the householder to > > cross a > >>>>> river of > >>>>>> blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the > >>> hell. > >>>>> But > >>>>>> when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow > > is > >>> not > >>>>>> donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder > > who > >>> is > >>>>> doing > >>>>>> all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri > >>> Mantra > >>>>> is > >>>>>> going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these > >>> things > >>>>> and is > >>>>>> doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint > > does > >>> not > >>>>> mean > >>>>>> removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The > >>> quaky > >>>>>> uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is > >>> valid > >>>>> while > >>>>>> doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is > > He > >>> who > >>>>> works > >>>>>> for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist > > of > >>> two > >>>>>> parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of > > work > >> in > >>>> the > >>>>>> form of money to the deserving people. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical > >>> sacrifice > >>>>> will > >>>>>> bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing > >>> these > >>>>> two > >>>>>> things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when > > His > >>> son > >>>>> does > >>>>>> these things after his death. The son will get the fruits > > and > >>> not > >>>>> the > >>>>>> father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the > > Lord > >>>>> while he > >>>>>> is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one > >>> should > >>>>>> sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to > > deserving > >>>>> people > >>>>>> while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not > > reach > >>> the > >>>>> dead > >>>>>> person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in > >> the > >>>>> upper > >>>>>> world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges > > food. > >>> The > >>>>> Lord > >>>>>> will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present > > in > >>> all > >>>>> the > >>>>>> worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died > > was > >>>>> given so > >>>>>> that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But > > there > >>> is > >>>>> no > >>>>>> truth in such threat. A person who did these things while > > he > >>> is > >>>>> alive > >>>>>> does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. > > Sankara, > >>>>>> Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the > > propagation > >>> of > >>>>> divine > >>>>>> knowledge and devotion did not have children and they > > never > >>>>> bothered > >>>>>> about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge > >>>>> (Archiraadi > >>>>>> Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is > > said > >>>> that > >>>>>> such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa > >>>>> Tanuthyajah, > >>>>>> Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the > > path > >>> of > >>>>> the > >>>>>> service of the Lord do not require the son and such > > rituals > >>> after > >>>>>> death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to > > donate a > >>>>>> deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend > > on > >>> his > >>>>> sons > >>>>>> for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons > >> will > >>>> not > >>>>> be > >>>>>> able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit > > of > >>> the > >>>>> work > >>>>>> (money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the > >>>> undeserving > >>>>>> persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and > > money. > >>>>> Therefore > >>>>>> it is better to do the donation while one is alive by > >>> searching a > >>>>>> proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation > > of > >>> Lord > >>>>> or at > >>>>>> least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the > >>>> rituals > >>>>> is > >>>>>> not understood, performing the rituals after the death are > >>> simply > >>>>> a > >>>>>> waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the > >>> priests > >>>>> are > >>>>>> reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like > > tape > >>>>> recorders. > >>>>>> The concept of prayer is completely lost in such > > recitation. > >>> When > >>>>> you > >>>>>> donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get > > the > >>> real > >>>>>> fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has > >>> prayed > >>>>> the > >>>>>> Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is > >>> alive > >>>>> such > >>>>>> rituals are not necessary for him after his death. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > >>>>>> surya > >>>>>> http://www.universal-spirituality.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>> Dear Surya ji > >>>>>>> see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi > > and > >>>>> sansarik > >>>>>> is different; and all religions prescribe different norms > > for > >>>>> both. > >>>>>> You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik > > human > >>> being > >>>>>> (grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se > > hi > >>>> acchi > >>>>>> gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring > >>>> pradeep > >>>>>> kumar and mina kumari. > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Questions will always be one liner only. But if I give the answer in brief without explanation, you will get many doubts. If I present the concept with full details, you feel lengthy. What should we do? Suggest me. Divine knowledge is very difficult and is considered the top most study because it leads to the upliftment of individual human being which is permanent. So we have may to read and re-read to get the concept. We also read here many times the divine knowledge preached by Swami. As a spiritual aspirant, we should have patience, perseverance (little bit of ability to slog) for understanding atleast as and when articles of real worth are found. Instead of getting into non- directional discussions, let us put effort to read and participate in a directional discussions. Walking very slowly towards the goal is far far better than running in the opposite direction of goal. Now a days, every body generally says 'I don't have time'. But if we say to Lord like this, 'what is that He can do to uplift us?' Constant directional effort even at a very slow pace also takes us to the goal on one fine day. Human being puts all efforts to flourish in the life for best possible living to enjoy self and family. He is ready to work hard to any extent in this regard. But when he approaches Lord, he wants everything free. Nothing is free in the universe including the blessings of Lord. You have to put spiritual effort to make yourself deserving for His blessing. You should learn divine knowledge to know about Him and the path of pleasing Him to get His blessings. Instead of this, if time is spent in gossiping, nothing can be obtained even after years. Man with his petty logic tries to think, to understand Lord on his own. It is like trying to touch the sky with high jumps in house. He cannot learn for himself. He does not want to be preached by Lord in human form, because he feels it is a loss of prestige. He unnecessarily comments on Lord which reflects his ignorance only. Lord's prestige will not get disturbed even by a milli meter. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention or > objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus feet > of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india > has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of > guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they all create their own groups where likeminded people approach and sing the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos and do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen or > godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a > godmen which he is not comfortable with. > > firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject of astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers (like > me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement with continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault with all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your datta swami himself is married and have kids as well. > > if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and > happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing great service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge towards helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. to start with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and suggest them some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on astrological analysis. > > by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta > swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, as i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new > lessons from you on this divine subject. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Surya ji Since when, god decided to recruit "godmen" to talk about right or wrong? God's blessing is the only thing, which is free from core marketing and hard selling, if not "free". regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > dattapr2000 > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:58 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > Questions will always be one liner only. But if I give the answer in > brief without explanation, you will get many doubts. If I present > the concept with full details, you feel lengthy. What should we do? > Suggest me. Divine knowledge is very difficult and is considered the > top most study because it leads to the upliftment of individual > human being which is permanent. So we have may to read and re-read > to get the concept. We also read here many times the divine > knowledge preached by Swami. > > As a spiritual aspirant, we should have patience, perseverance > (little bit of ability to slog) for understanding atleast as and > when articles of real worth are found. Instead of getting into non- > directional discussions, let us put effort to read and participate > in a directional discussions. > > Walking very slowly towards the goal is far far better than running > in the opposite direction of goal. Now a days, every body generally > says 'I don't have time'. But if we say to Lord like this, 'what is > that He can do to uplift us?' Constant directional effort even at a > very slow pace also takes us to the goal on one fine day. > > Human being puts all efforts to flourish in the life for best > possible living to enjoy self and family. He is ready to work hard > to any extent in this regard. But when he approaches Lord, he wants > everything free. Nothing is free in the universe including the > blessings of Lord. You have to put spiritual effort to make yourself > deserving for His blessing. You should learn divine knowledge to > know about Him and the path of pleasing Him to get His blessings. > Instead of this, if time is spent in gossiping, nothing can be > obtained even after years. > > Man with his petty logic tries to think, to understand Lord on his > own. It is like trying to touch the sky with high jumps in house. He > cannot learn for himself. He does not want to be preached by Lord in > human form, because he feels it is a loss of prestige. He > unnecessarily comments on Lord which reflects his ignorance only. > Lord's prestige will not get disturbed even by a milli meter. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: >> all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention or >> objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus feet >> of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india >> has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of >> guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they > all create their own groups where likeminded people approach and > sing the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos > and do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an >> outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen or >> godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a >> godmen which he is not comfortable with. >> >> firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject > of astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also >> grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers (like >> me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement > with continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault > with all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your > datta swami himself is married and have kids as well. >> >> if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly >> available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and >> happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by >> grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing > great service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge > towards helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. > to start with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and > suggest them some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on > astrological analysis. >> >> by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta >> swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, > as i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new >> lessons from you on this divine subject. >> >> with best wishes >> pandit arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Shri Prafulla Bhai sahab phir aap yeh silsila shuru karva doge toh jawab saval khade ho jayenge. Jab tak janab kuch jyada gadbad nahi likhte unko chod dijiye. Shastron ko utpatang karenge tab thoda bahut kah dena.Nahi to yeh sham puri isi me beet jayegi. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Surya ji > > Since when, god decided to recruit "godmen" to talk about right or wrong? > > God's blessing is the only thing, which is free from core marketing and hard selling, if not "free". > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > > > > > dattapr2000 > > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:58 -0000 > > > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > > Questions will always be one liner only. But if I give the answer in > > brief without explanation, you will get many doubts. If I present > > the concept with full details, you feel lengthy. What should we do? > > Suggest me. Divine knowledge is very difficult and is considered the > > top most study because it leads to the upliftment of individual > > human being which is permanent. So we have may to read and re-read > > to get the concept. We also read here many times the divine > > knowledge preached by Swami. > > > > As a spiritual aspirant, we should have patience, perseverance > > (little bit of ability to slog) for understanding atleast as and > > when articles of real worth are found. Instead of getting into non- > > directional discussions, let us put effort to read and participate > > in a directional discussions. > > > > Walking very slowly towards the goal is far far better than running > > in the opposite direction of goal. Now a days, every body generally > > says 'I don't have time'. But if we say to Lord like this, 'what is > > that He can do to uplift us?' Constant directional effort even at a > > very slow pace also takes us to the goal on one fine day. > > > > Human being puts all efforts to flourish in the life for best > > possible living to enjoy self and family. He is ready to work hard > > to any extent in this regard. But when he approaches Lord, he wants > > everything free. Nothing is free in the universe including the > > blessings of Lord. You have to put spiritual effort to make yourself > > deserving for His blessing. You should learn divine knowledge to > > know about Him and the path of pleasing Him to get His blessings. > > Instead of this, if time is spent in gossiping, nothing can be > > obtained even after years. > > > > Man with his petty logic tries to think, to understand Lord on his > > own. It is like trying to touch the sky with high jumps in house. He > > cannot learn for himself. He does not want to be preached by Lord in > > human form, because he feels it is a loss of prestige. He > > unnecessarily comments on Lord which reflects his ignorance only. > > Lord's prestige will not get disturbed even by a milli meter. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > >> all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention or > >> objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus feet > >> of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india > >> has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of > >> guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they > > all create their own groups where likeminded people approach and > > sing the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos > > and do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > >> outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen or > >> godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a > >> godmen which he is not comfortable with. > >> > >> firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject > > of astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > >> grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers (like > >> me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement > > with continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault > > with all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your > > datta swami himself is married and have kids as well. > >> > >> if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > >> available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and > >> happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > >> grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing > > great service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge > > towards helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. > > to start with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and > > suggest them some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on > > astrological analysis. > >> > >> by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta > >> swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, > > as i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new > >> lessons from you on this divine subject. > >> > >> with best wishes > >> pandit arjun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I fully accept the observations made by Sri Pnadit Arjun. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji I agree. regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:51:13 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > Shri Prafulla Bhai sahab phir aap yeh silsila shuru karva doge toh > jawab saval khade ho jayenge. Jab tak janab kuch jyada gadbad nahi > likhte unko chod dijiye. Shastron ko utpatang karenge tab thoda bahut > kah dena.Nahi to yeh sham puri isi me beet jayegi. > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Surya ji >> >> Since when, god decided to recruit "godmen" to talk about right or > wrong? >> >> God's blessing is the only thing, which is free from core marketing > and hard selling, if not "free". >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more > instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual > and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and > sudden usurpations. >> >> >>> >>> dattapr2000 >>> Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:58 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Idol Worship 1/8 >>> >>> Questions will always be one liner only. But if I give the answer > in >>> brief without explanation, you will get many doubts. If I present >>> the concept with full details, you feel lengthy. What should we > do? >>> Suggest me. Divine knowledge is very difficult and is considered > the >>> top most study because it leads to the upliftment of individual >>> human being which is permanent. So we have may to read and re-read >>> to get the concept. We also read here many times the divine >>> knowledge preached by Swami. >>> >>> As a spiritual aspirant, we should have patience, perseverance >>> (little bit of ability to slog) for understanding atleast as and >>> when articles of real worth are found. Instead of getting into > non- >>> directional discussions, let us put effort to read and participate >>> in a directional discussions. >>> >>> Walking very slowly towards the goal is far far better than > running >>> in the opposite direction of goal. Now a days, every body > generally >>> says 'I don't have time'. But if we say to Lord like this, 'what > is >>> that He can do to uplift us?' Constant directional effort even at > a >>> very slow pace also takes us to the goal on one fine day. >>> >>> Human being puts all efforts to flourish in the life for best >>> possible living to enjoy self and family. He is ready to work hard >>> to any extent in this regard. But when he approaches Lord, he > wants >>> everything free. Nothing is free in the universe including the >>> blessings of Lord. You have to put spiritual effort to make > yourself >>> deserving for His blessing. You should learn divine knowledge to >>> know about Him and the path of pleasing Him to get His blessings. >>> Instead of this, if time is spent in gossiping, nothing can be >>> obtained even after years. >>> >>> Man with his petty logic tries to think, to understand Lord on his >>> own. It is like trying to touch the sky with high jumps in house. > He >>> cannot learn for himself. He does not want to be preached by Lord > in >>> human form, because he feels it is a loss of prestige. He >>> unnecessarily comments on Lord which reflects his ignorance only. >>> Lord's prestige will not get disturbed even by a milli meter. >>> >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>> surya >>> www.universal-spirituality.org >>> >>> >>> "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: >>>> all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention or >>>> objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus > feet >>>> of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india >>>> has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of >>>> guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they >>> all create their own groups where likeminded people approach and >>> sing the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these > photos >>> and do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an >>>> outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen or >>>> godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a >>>> godmen which he is not comfortable with. >>>> >>>> firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject >>> of astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also >>>> grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers (like >>>> me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement >>> with continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault >>> with all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your >>> datta swami himself is married and have kids as well. >>>> >>>> if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly >>>> available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and >>>> happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by >>>> grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing >>> great service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge >>> towards helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. >>> to start with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and >>> suggest them some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on >>> astrological analysis. >>>> >>>> by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta >>>> swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, >>> as i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new >>>> lessons from you on this divine subject. >>>> >>>> with best wishes >>>> pandit arjun >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Dear Prafulla and Bhaskar, Please leave this...I have seen many messages (same messages) earlier in my group and also in other spiritual groups...now almost all groups banned this posts. It is the not the persons who are responding..it is just cut and paste work going on...claiming the speech delivered on such and such occasions...mystic of internet. If we just ignore one message post, the matter rests there...all your precious time and effort can be channelised in your other works... Hope you agree with me... regards sriganeshh , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Surya ji > > Since when, god decided to recruit "godmen" to talk about right or wrong? > > God's blessing is the only thing, which is free from core marketing and hard selling, if not "free". > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > > > > > dattapr2000 > > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:58 -0000 > > > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > > Questions will always be one liner only. But if I give the answer in > > brief without explanation, you will get many doubts. If I present > > the concept with full details, you feel lengthy. What should we do? > > Suggest me. Divine knowledge is very difficult and is considered the > > top most study because it leads to the upliftment of individual > > human being which is permanent. So we have may to read and re- read > > to get the concept. We also read here many times the divine > > knowledge preached by Swami. > > > > As a spiritual aspirant, we should have patience, perseverance > > (little bit of ability to slog) for understanding atleast as and > > when articles of real worth are found. Instead of getting into non- > > directional discussions, let us put effort to read and participate > > in a directional discussions. > > > > Walking very slowly towards the goal is far far better than running > > in the opposite direction of goal. Now a days, every body generally > > says 'I don't have time'. But if we say to Lord like this, 'what is > > that He can do to uplift us?' Constant directional effort even at a > > very slow pace also takes us to the goal on one fine day. > > > > Human being puts all efforts to flourish in the life for best > > possible living to enjoy self and family. He is ready to work hard > > to any extent in this regard. But when he approaches Lord, he wants > > everything free. Nothing is free in the universe including the > > blessings of Lord. You have to put spiritual effort to make yourself > > deserving for His blessing. You should learn divine knowledge to > > know about Him and the path of pleasing Him to get His blessings. > > Instead of this, if time is spent in gossiping, nothing can be > > obtained even after years. > > > > Man with his petty logic tries to think, to understand Lord on his > > own. It is like trying to touch the sky with high jumps in house. He > > cannot learn for himself. He does not want to be preached by Lord in > > human form, because he feels it is a loss of prestige. He > > unnecessarily comments on Lord which reflects his ignorance only. > > Lord's prestige will not get disturbed even by a milli meter. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > >> all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention or > >> objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus feet > >> of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india > >> has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of > >> guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they > > all create their own groups where likeminded people approach and > > sing the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these photos > > and do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > >> outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen or > >> godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a > >> godmen which he is not comfortable with. > >> > >> firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject > > of astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > >> grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers (like > >> me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement > > with continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding fault > > with all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your > > datta swami himself is married and have kids as well. > >> > >> if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > >> available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and > >> happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > >> grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing > > great service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge > > towards helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. > > to start with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and > > suggest them some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based on > > astrological analysis. > >> > >> by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta > >> swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, > > as i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new > >> lessons from you on this divine subject. > >> > >> with best wishes > >> pandit arjun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 YES SIR. regards / Prafulla Gang Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations. > > sriganeshh > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:37:06 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > Dear Prafulla and Bhaskar, > > Please leave this...I have seen many messages (same messages) > earlier in my group and also in other spiritual groups...now almost > all groups banned this posts. It is the not the persons who are > responding..it is just cut and paste work going on...claiming the > speech delivered on such and such occasions...mystic of internet. > > If we just ignore one message post, the matter rests there...all > your precious time and effort can be channelised in your other > works... > > Hope you agree with me... > > regards > sriganeshh > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Surya ji >> >> Since when, god decided to recruit "godmen" to talk about right or > wrong? >> >> God's blessing is the only thing, which is free from core > marketing and hard selling, if not "free". >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are > more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by > gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent > and sudden usurpations. >> >> >>> >>> dattapr2000 >>> Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:58 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Idol Worship 1/8 >>> >>> Questions will always be one liner only. But if I give the > answer in >>> brief without explanation, you will get many doubts. If I present >>> the concept with full details, you feel lengthy. What should we > do? >>> Suggest me. Divine knowledge is very difficult and is considered > the >>> top most study because it leads to the upliftment of individual >>> human being which is permanent. So we have may to read and re- > read >>> to get the concept. We also read here many times the divine >>> knowledge preached by Swami. >>> >>> As a spiritual aspirant, we should have patience, perseverance >>> (little bit of ability to slog) for understanding atleast as and >>> when articles of real worth are found. Instead of getting into > non- >>> directional discussions, let us put effort to read and > participate >>> in a directional discussions. >>> >>> Walking very slowly towards the goal is far far better than > running >>> in the opposite direction of goal. Now a days, every body > generally >>> says 'I don't have time'. But if we say to Lord like this, 'what > is >>> that He can do to uplift us?' Constant directional effort even > at a >>> very slow pace also takes us to the goal on one fine day. >>> >>> Human being puts all efforts to flourish in the life for best >>> possible living to enjoy self and family. He is ready to work > hard >>> to any extent in this regard. But when he approaches Lord, he > wants >>> everything free. Nothing is free in the universe including the >>> blessings of Lord. You have to put spiritual effort to make > yourself >>> deserving for His blessing. You should learn divine knowledge to >>> know about Him and the path of pleasing Him to get His blessings. >>> Instead of this, if time is spent in gossiping, nothing can be >>> obtained even after years. >>> >>> Man with his petty logic tries to think, to understand Lord on > his >>> own. It is like trying to touch the sky with high jumps in > house. He >>> cannot learn for himself. He does not want to be preached by > Lord in >>> human form, because he feels it is a loss of prestige. He >>> unnecessarily comments on Lord which reflects his ignorance only. >>> Lord's prestige will not get disturbed even by a milli meter. >>> >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>> surya >>> www.universal-spirituality.org >>> >>> >>> "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: >>>> all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention > or >>>> objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus > feet >>>> of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india >>>> has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of >>>> guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they >>> all create their own groups where likeminded people approach and >>> sing the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these > photos >>> and do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an >>>> outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen > or >>>> godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a >>>> godmen which he is not comfortable with. >>>> >>>> firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject >>> of astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also >>>> grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers > (like >>>> me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement >>> with continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding > fault >>> with all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your >>> datta swami himself is married and have kids as well. >>>> >>>> if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly >>>> available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and >>>> happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by >>>> grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing >>> great service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge >>> towards helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. >>> to start with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and >>> suggest them some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based > on >>> astrological analysis. >>>> >>>> by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta >>>> swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, >>> as i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new >>>> lessons from you on this divine subject. >>>> >>>> with best wishes >>>> pandit arjun >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Yes Dear Ganeshbhai. You are right and agree to You. Just like we overlook obscene magazines on the road and just buy the good ones, we have to overlook this spiritual obsecenity and move to other posts. But easier said than done..... will try. Regards, Bhaskar. , "sriganeshh" <sriganeshh wrote: > > Dear Prafulla and Bhaskar, > > Please leave this...I have seen many messages (same messages) > earlier in my group and also in other spiritual groups...now almost > all groups banned this posts. It is the not the persons who are > responding..it is just cut and paste work going on...claiming the > speech delivered on such and such occasions...mystic of internet. > > If we just ignore one message post, the matter rests there...all > your precious time and effort can be channelised in your other > works... > > Hope you agree with me... > > regards > sriganeshh > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Surya ji > > > > Since when, god decided to recruit "godmen" to talk about right or > wrong? > > > > God's blessing is the only thing, which is free from core > marketing and hard selling, if not "free". > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are > more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by > gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent > and sudden usurpations. > > > > > > > > > > dattapr2000@ > > > Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:58 -0000 > > > > > > Re: Idol Worship 1/8 > > > > > > Questions will always be one liner only. But if I give the > answer in > > > brief without explanation, you will get many doubts. If I present > > > the concept with full details, you feel lengthy. What should we > do? > > > Suggest me. Divine knowledge is very difficult and is considered > the > > > top most study because it leads to the upliftment of individual > > > human being which is permanent. So we have may to read and re- > read > > > to get the concept. We also read here many times the divine > > > knowledge preached by Swami. > > > > > > As a spiritual aspirant, we should have patience, perseverance > > > (little bit of ability to slog) for understanding atleast as and > > > when articles of real worth are found. Instead of getting into > non- > > > directional discussions, let us put effort to read and > participate > > > in a directional discussions. > > > > > > Walking very slowly towards the goal is far far better than > running > > > in the opposite direction of goal. Now a days, every body > generally > > > says 'I don't have time'. But if we say to Lord like this, 'what > is > > > that He can do to uplift us?' Constant directional effort even > at a > > > very slow pace also takes us to the goal on one fine day. > > > > > > Human being puts all efforts to flourish in the life for best > > > possible living to enjoy self and family. He is ready to work > hard > > > to any extent in this regard. But when he approaches Lord, he > wants > > > everything free. Nothing is free in the universe including the > > > blessings of Lord. You have to put spiritual effort to make > yourself > > > deserving for His blessing. You should learn divine knowledge to > > > know about Him and the path of pleasing Him to get His blessings. > > > Instead of this, if time is spent in gossiping, nothing can be > > > obtained even after years. > > > > > > Man with his petty logic tries to think, to understand Lord on > his > > > own. It is like trying to touch the sky with high jumps in > house. He > > > cannot learn for himself. He does not want to be preached by > Lord in > > > human form, because he feels it is a loss of prestige. He > > > unnecessarily comments on Lord which reflects his ignorance only. > > > Lord's prestige will not get disturbed even by a milli meter. > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > surya > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > >> all your mails speak volumes of spirituality and the intention > or > > >> objective is only one i.e. to make a person fall at the lotus > feet > > >> of your guru datta swami (kalki avatar in your reception). india > > >> has produced most number of godmen and godwomen (some sort of > > >> guinness world record) and each has his or her own cult and they > > > all create their own groups where likeminded people approach and > > > sing the tailor made aratis of these godmen and worship these > photos > > > and do abhishekam with panchamrita to these living gods. for an > > >> outsider, who has his own different belief or system or godmen > or > > >> godwomen, it is uncomfortable to land himself in the group of a > > >> godmen which he is not comfortable with. > > >> > > >> firstly the objective of this group is to discuss on the subject > > > of astrology which is cherished mostly by young people and also > > >> grihasthas in the form of querents and some old astrolgoers > (like > > >> me) in the form of contributors. brainwashing of renouncement > > > with continued consistency in all mails of yours and finding > fault > > > with all stages of grihastha is not prudent in this group. your > > > datta swami himself is married and have kids as well. > > >> > > >> if you wish to share the divine knowledge that is abundantly > > >> available with you apparently, for the sake of finding peace and > > >> happiness and getting releieved from the problems faced by > > >> grihasthas within their limited capacities, you would be doing > > > great service. so kindly channelise your reservoir of knowledge > > > towards helping the suffering souls in their limited capacities. > > > to start with, can you answer the queries of the suffering and > > > suggest them some simple spiritual solutions or remedies based > on > > > astrological analysis. > > >> > > >> by the way, would highly appreciate if you r your mentor datta > > >> swamiji could share some of your knowledge on astrology as well, > > > as i am personally interested in refining mine and learn few new > > >> lessons from you on this divine subject. > > >> > > >> with best wishes > > >> pandit arjun > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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