House Mental Satisfaction

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Dear Samir ji

 

Let us view it from the kumbha lagna perspective - it is lord of lagna / 12th lord (moola trikona in lagna) - hence it is karaka planet for kumbha native ..in 4th house (friendly sign)..aspecting lagna back. For kumbha - shani in 4th house will make 4th house as AL as well, and shani is yogagraha for vrishbha too.

 

For example - Shani in 4th for kumbha lagna will bless native with property too (read with other factors including D4) - yes nature of property may differ.

 

Natural significations theory mentioned by you, can not be applied verbatim.. Mutual relations are to be seen not only from natural perspective, but also from chart's perspective (temporary relationship..which will override). Also, I have observed shani in 4th for kumbha lagna - not giving any trouble to mother as well (ofcourse other factors may change the possibilities)..

 

Also note that, natural malefic if becomes positive planet for specific lagna, will not harm much; these natural malefic (Krur) has more negative effect on Jeeva related things than on Vastu"objects".

 

Please remember that, we are looking from one planet's perspective and are always subject to modifications for association with other planets, D charts etc.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

 

 

>

> solaris.smoke

> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:21:25 +0300

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear Prafulla and Aru, Namaskar

>

> The classics (Saravali does this in detail) give

> the effects of the planets in various houses

> without considering lordships. There is a good

> basis for this. Let's try this approach: what

> are the Karakas of the 4th house? Moon (Mother,

> emotions, peace of mind), Mercury (education),

> Mars (land), Ketu (home and buildings), Venus

> (vehicles, luxuries), Jupiter (sukha).

>

> Okay, now lets look at the relationship of these

> planets with Saturn. Saturn is inimical to Mars

> and the Moon. Thus we can infer that it will not

> support these karakatwas. It is friendly,

> however, to Mercury and Venus, and will therefore help these karakatwas.

>

> So Saturn in the 4th will not be good for the

> mother, and for the ownership of land. It will

> give good education, though the manner in which

> is does so is through strict discipline. It is

> actually good for luxuries and

> vehicles! However, this doesn't guarantee

> happiness from the same - why? Because Jupiter

> is the karaka for sukha, and Saturn debilitates

> Jupiter (Moon's karakatwa is damaged also).

>

> Next, we can also consider the argalas of Saturn

> on other houses. In the 4th, Saturn will have

> argala on Lagna, the 3rd house and the 6th

> house. If we look at the karakas of these

> houses, we can in the same manner see what it

> will support and what it will oppose in each of

> thoses houses. So, Saturn in the 4th isn't good

> for Lagna either (Saturn is inimical to the Sun).

>

> All this we can say before looking at

> lordships. Lordships will change this somewhat -

> so if Saturn were to lord the 4th house, then it

> would try to protect that house. But this

> doesn't change the manner in which Shani will act.

>

> Prafulla, what do you mean by "Shani is karaka for kumbha lagna?"

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

>

> At 08:08 09/07/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Arvinda ji

>>

> >I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th

> >lord in lagna. It makes the native focussing on

> >domestic issues. How about kumbha lagna shani in

> >4th house? Will the shani (though natural

> >malefic planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna)

> >deny domestic comforts and happiness. Here shani

> >will aspect the lagna as well !!

>>

> >regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

> >Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> aru_dulla

>>> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000

>>>

>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>>>

>>> Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness.

>>> Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness

>>> in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a

>>> way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

>>> perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna

>>> or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always

>>> be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the

>>> fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

>>>

>>> regards

>>> Aru

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Samir,

>>>> It is alright if it was a typo.

>>>> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house

>>> giving

>>>> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

>>> question I

>>>> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

>>>> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn

>>>> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

>>> general

>>>> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

>>> Saturn's

>>>> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case

>>> of

>>>> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

>>>> Regards

>>>> Pran Razdan

>>>>

>>>> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na ||

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

>>>>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

>>>>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

>>>>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

>>>>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

>>>>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

>>>>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

>>>>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

>>>>> to another aspect of the chart.

>>>>>

>>>>> I do not agree that retrogression simply

>>>>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

>>>>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

>>>>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

>>> that.

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

>>>>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

>>>>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

>>>>> makes many statements in many chapters that are

>>>>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>

>>>>> Samir

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

>>>>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished

>>> to

>>>>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years

>>> of

>>>>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can

>>> be

>>>>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

>>> many of

>>>>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not

>>> one

>>>>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general

>>> reading

>>>>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

>>>>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

>>> please

>>>>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

>>>>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

>>> shaloka you

>>>>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

>>> scriptures

>>>>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

>>> general

>>>>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets.

>>> For

>>>>> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

>>> retrogression

>>>>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which

>>> we are

>>>>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all

>>> the

>>>>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

>>>>> >Regards,

>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>

>>>>> >, Samir Shah

>>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na ||

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

>>>>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

>>>>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

>>>>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

>>>>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

>>>>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

>>>>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

>>>>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

>>> otherwise

>>>> produce.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

>>>>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

>>>>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> which translates to:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

>>>>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Samir

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

>>>>>>> >, Samir Shah

>>>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >Dear Samir,

>>>>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

>>> which is

>>>>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

>>> career

>>>>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

>>> strong

>>>> sat in

>>>>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more

>>> similar

>>>>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

>>>>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

>>> dasa

>>>> was the

>>>>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

>>> cars and

>>>>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

>>> Rahu in the

>>>>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

>>> away.

>>>> Jupiter

>>>>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

>>>> Obviously

>>>>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

>>> everything.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

>>> scriptures

>>>> donot

>>>>>>> >mention anything about it.

>>>>>>> >Regards

>>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na ||

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

>>>>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

>>>>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

>>>>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

>>>>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

>>>>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

>>>>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

>>>>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

>>>>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

>>>>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

>>>>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

>>>>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Samir

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

>>>>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen"

>>>> <visti@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

>>>>>>>>> >Namaskaar.

>>>>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

>>> all

>>>>> >scriptures

>>>>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

>>> good

>>>> results,

>>>>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

>>>> Scorpio and

>>>>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

>>> etc. It

>>>>> >looks the

>>>>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

>>> several

>>>>> >charts but

>>>>>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

>>>>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

>>>>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

>>> marriage,

>>>>> >deep in

>>>>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

>>> the

>>>>> >swakhetri

>>>>>>>>> >Saturn.

>>>>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

>>> fourth

>>>> lord in

>>>>>>> >fourth

>>>>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

>>> causes

>>>> increased

>>>>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

>>> mercury in

>>>>> >fourth

>>>>>>>>> >will make

>>>>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

>>> around due

>>>>> >to its

>>>>>>>>> >rajasic

>>>>>>>>>>> traits.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> >[] On

>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>>> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

>>> (jupiter

>>>>>>> >exalted in 4th

>>>>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

>>> purusha

>>>> chart)?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

>>> can help

>>>>> >make the

>>>>>>>>> >world

>>>>>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%> 40srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

>>>>>>>>>>>> @ <%> 40>

>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>>>> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

>>> in the

>>>>> >twelfth,

>>>>>>>>> >it will

>>>>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

>>> happy

>>>> marital

>>>>>>>>> >life, etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

>>> ensures

>>>> mental

>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

>>> clothes

>>>>> >as the

>>>>>>>>> >native

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

>>> imagine if

>>>>> >that

>>>>>>>>> >planet is

>>>>>>>>>>>> afflicted...

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

>>>>> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> @

>>>> <%40>

>>>>>>>>>>> [@

>>>>>>>>>>> <%40>

>>> ]

>>>>>>>>>>>> On

>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

>>>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

>>>>>>>>>>>> @ <%> 40>

>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>>> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

>>> guidance

>>>>> >always

>>>>>>>>> >helped

>>>>>>>>>>>> me

>>>>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can

>>>> understand each

>>>>>>>>> >factor you

>>>>>>>>>>>> explained to me.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we

>>> should

>>>>> >conclude

>>>>>>>>> >if 4th

>>>>>>>>>>>> lord

>>>>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

>>>>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

>>> with

>>>> all his

>>>>>>>>> >deeds...or

>>>>>>>>>>>> karma

>>>>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

>>> never

>>>>> >been able

>>>>>>>>> >to be

>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

>>>> whatever he

>>>>>>> >achieves

>>>>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th

>>> house.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

>>> fourth

>>>>> >house,

>>>>>>>>> >and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

>>> the fourth

>>>>> >house,

>>>>>>>>> >being

>>>>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our

>>> happiness

>>>>> >increases

>>>>>>>>> >and our

>>>>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

>>> the

>>>> fifth

>>>>>>> >from the

>>>>>>>>>>>> fourth,

>>>>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

>>> in the

>>>>> >body due

>>>>>>>>> >to weak

>>>>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

>>> away.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

>>> and

>>>> this is

>>>>>>> >seen from

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

>>> planets

>>>> placed

>>>>>>> >in the

>>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth

>>>>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

>>> twelfth

>>>>> >house

>>>>>>>>>>>> auspicious

>>>>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

>>> meditate

>>>> on the

>>>>>>> >sanjivani

>>>>>>>>>>>> beeja

>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

>>>> mantra: Om

>>>>>>>>> >Joom Sah,

>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of

>>> sadashiva

>>>>> >beeja; haum.

>>>>>>>>> >Hence:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Om

>>>>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

>>> health,

>>>>>>>>> >recooperation,

>>>>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally

>>>> opening the

>>>>>>> >third eye

>>>>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

>>>>> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

>>>>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

>>> Ashram.

>>>>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

>>>> Krishna'

>>>>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>>>>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

>>>>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

>>>>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

>>> chart

>>>>>>> >reading today

>>>>>>>>> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil

 

Generally speaking, Saturn's mahadasha will be good (subject to good placement and not afflicted), even if it is with Sun.

 

To me, sun/ saturn conflict is at different level; and does not hamper materialistic pursuits (unless saturn is combust).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

 

 

>

> divinity_sun (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:19:46 +0100 (BST)

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Prafullaji

>

> As I understand, you are saying that Shani in 4th will

> not cause problems related to house/mother for Kumbha

> Lagna for it rules the Lagna and aspects the Lagna?

> Would the dasha then also be beneficial. Also how

> would the dasha be, if Saturn is along with sun in the

> 4th house for Kumbha Lagna?

>

> Regards

>

> Sunil V

>

> --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>> Dear Samir ji

>>

>> Let us view it from the kumbha lagna perspective -

>> it is lord of lagna / 12th lord (moola trikona in

>> lagna) - hence it is karaka planet for kumbha native

>> ..in 4th house (friendly sign)..aspecting lagna

>> back. For kumbha - shani in 4th house will make 4th

>> house as AL as well, and shani is yogagraha for

>> vrishbha too.

>>

>> For example - Shani in 4th for kumbha lagna will

>> bless native with property too (read with other

>> factors including D4) - yes nature of property may

>> differ.

>>

>> Natural significations theory mentioned by you, can

>> not be applied verbatim. Mutual relations are to be

>> seen not only from natural perspective, but also

>> from chart's perspective (temporary

>> relationship..which will override). Also, I have

>> observed shani in 4th for kumbha lagna - not giving

>> any trouble to mother as well (ofcourse other

>> factors may change the possibilities).

>>

>> Also note that, natural malefic if becomes positive

>> planet for specific lagna, will not harm much; these

>> natural malefic (Krur) has more negative effect on

>> Jeeva related things than on Vastu"objects".

>>

>> Please remember that, we are looking from one

>> planet's perspective and are always subject to

>> modifications for association with other planets, D

>> charts etc.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> solaris.smoke

>>> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:21:25 +0300

>>>

>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>> Satisfaction

>>>

>>> || hare räma kåñna ||

>>>

>>> Dear Prafulla and Aru, Namaskar

>>>

>>> The classics (Saravali does this in detail) give

>>> the effects of the planets in various houses

>>> without considering lordships. There is a good

>>> basis for this. Let's try this approach: what

>>> are the Karakas of the 4th house? Moon (Mother,

>>> emotions, peace of mind), Mercury (education),

>>> Mars (land), Ketu (home and buildings), Venus

>>> (vehicles, luxuries), Jupiter (sukha).

>>>

>>> Okay, now lets look at the relationship of these

>>> planets with Saturn. Saturn is inimical to Mars

>>> and the Moon. Thus we can infer that it will not

>>> support these karakatwas. It is friendly,

>>> however, to Mercury and Venus, and will therefore

>> help these karakatwas.

>>>

>>> So Saturn in the 4th will not be good for the

>>> mother, and for the ownership of land. It will

>>> give good education, though the manner in which

>>> is does so is through strict discipline. It is

>>> actually good for luxuries and

>>> vehicles! However, this doesn't guarantee

>>> happiness from the same - why? Because Jupiter

>>> is the karaka for sukha, and Saturn debilitates

>>> Jupiter (Moon's karakatwa is damaged also).

>>>

>>> Next, we can also consider the argalas of Saturn

>>> on other houses. In the 4th, Saturn will have

>>> argala on Lagna, the 3rd house and the 6th

>>> house. If we look at the karakas of these

>>> houses, we can in the same manner see what it

>>> will support and what it will oppose in each of

>>> thoses houses. So, Saturn in the 4th isn't good

>>> for Lagna either (Saturn is inimical to the Sun).

>>>

>>> All this we can say before looking at

>>> lordships. Lordships will change this somewhat -

>>> so if Saturn were to lord the 4th house, then it

>>> would try to protect that house. But this

>>> doesn't change the manner in which Shani will act.

>>>

>>> Prafulla, what do you mean by "Shani is karaka for

>> kumbha lagna?"

>>>

>>> Best wishes,

>>>

>>> Samir

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> At 08:08 09/07/2006, you wrote:

>>> >Dear Arvinda ji

>>>>

>>> >I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th

>>> >lord in lagna. It makes the native focussing on

>>> >domestic issues. How about kumbha lagna shani in

>>> >4th house? Will the shani (though natural

>>> >malefic planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna)

>>> >deny domestic comforts and happiness. Here shani

>>> >will aspect the lagna as well !!

>>>>

>>> >regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>> >Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> aru_dulla

>>>>> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>> Satisfaction

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of

>> mine on happiness.

>>>>> Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some

>> amount of unhappiness

>>>>> in that person's life as the fourth house

>> represents home and in a

>>>>> way happiness. But this again should be analysed

>> from the

>>>>> perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the

>> fourth house is in lagna

>>>>> or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the

>> person will always

>>>>> be happy. I have seen this to be true in many

>> cases. Saturn in the

>>>>> fourth house will make the person very

>> melancholic!

>>>>>

>>>>> regards

>>>>> Aru

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , "pnrazdan"

>> <pnrazdan wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Samir,

>>>>>> It is alright if it was a typo.

>>>>>> I have seen some more charts with 4th house

>> saturn in own house

>>>>> giving

>>>>>> them problems on account of happiness in life.

>> This is the

>>>>> question I

>>>>>> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

>>>>>> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is

>> the aspect of Saturn

>>>>>> which it casts on the first house that is

>> responsible for the

>>>>> general

>>>>>> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the

>> saying that says

>>>>> Saturn's

>>>>>> aspect is more harmful than its placement and

>> reverse in the case

>>>>> of

>>>>>> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

>>>>>> Regards

>>>>>> Pran Razdan

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , Samir Shah

>> <solaris.smoke@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na ||

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

>>>>>>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I

>> was

>>>>>>> agreeing with you. As regards what the

>> effects

>>>>>>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

>>>>>>> the process of learning - and in that capacity

>> I

>>>>>>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

>>>>>>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

>>>>>>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were

>> linked

>>>>>>> to another aspect of the chart.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I do not agree that retrogression simply

>>>>>>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't

>> BPHS

>>>>>>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana

>> can

>>>>>>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be

>> more

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Dear Samir.......Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Yes,

I agree with what you said, but the question is to what extent will

karakatwa work in giving the results. I believe Karakatwa will

decide only 25% of the final result or the yoga. What I am trying to

say is that there are other factors too like Ashtakavarga, lordship,

dispositor of Saturn etc which have a say in giving the result. But

in general, malefics are not desirable in key houses of the chart

like fourth, fifth and seventh.

 

regards

Aru

 

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke

wrote:

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear Prafulla and Aru, Namaskar

>

> The classics (Saravali does this in detail) give

> the effects of the planets in various houses

> without considering lordships. There is a good

> basis for this. Let's try this approach: what

> are the Karakas of the 4th house? Moon (Mother,

> emotions, peace of mind), Mercury (education),

> Mars (land), Ketu (home and buildings), Venus

> (vehicles, luxuries), Jupiter (sukha).

>

> Okay, now lets look at the relationship of these

> planets with Saturn. Saturn is inimical to Mars

> and the Moon. Thus we can infer that it will not

> support these karakatwas. It is friendly,

> however, to Mercury and Venus, and will therefore help these

karakatwas.

>

> So Saturn in the 4th will not be good for the

> mother, and for the ownership of land. It will

> give good education, though the manner in which

> is does so is through strict discipline. It is

> actually good for luxuries and

> vehicles! However, this doesn't guarantee

> happiness from the same - why? Because Jupiter

> is the karaka for sukha, and Saturn debilitates

> Jupiter (Moon's karakatwa is damaged also).

>

> Next, we can also consider the argalas of Saturn

> on other houses. In the 4th, Saturn will have

> argala on Lagna, the 3rd house and the 6th

> house. If we look at the karakas of these

> houses, we can in the same manner see what it

> will support and what it will oppose in each of

> thoses houses. So, Saturn in the 4th isn't good

> for Lagna either (Saturn is inimical to the Sun).

>

> All this we can say before looking at

> lordships. Lordships will change this somewhat -

> so if Saturn were to lord the 4th house, then it

> would try to protect that house. But this

> doesn't change the manner in which Shani will act.

>

> Prafulla, what do you mean by "Shani is karaka for kumbha lagna?"

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

>

> At 08:08 09/07/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Arvinda ji

> >

> >I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th

> >lord in lagna. It makes the native focussing on

> >domestic issues. How about kumbha lagna shani in

> >4th house? Will the shani (though natural

> >malefic planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna)

> >deny domestic comforts and happiness. Here shani

> >will aspect the lagna as well !!

> >

> >regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> >Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > aru_dulla

> > > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > >

> > > Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on

happiness.

> > > Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of

unhappiness

> > > in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and

in a

> > > way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

> > > perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in

lagna

> > > or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will

always

> > > be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in

the

> > > fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Aru

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@>

wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Samir,

> > >> It is alright if it was a typo.

> > >> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own

house

> > > giving

> > >> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

> > > question I

> > >> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

> > >> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of

Saturn

> > >> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

> > > general

> > >> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

> > > Saturn's

> > >> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the

case

> > > of

> > >> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

> > >> Regards

> > >> Pran Razdan

> > >>

> > >> , Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> || hare r�ma k��na ||

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > >>>

> > >>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> > >>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> > >>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> > >>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> > >>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> > >>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> > >>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> > >>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> > >>> to another aspect of the chart.

> > >>>

> > >>> I do not agree that retrogression simply

> > >>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> > >>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> > >>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

> > > that.

> > >>>

> > >>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> > >>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> > >>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> > >>> makes many statements in many chapters that are

> > >>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> > >>>

> > >>> Best wishes,

> > >>>

> > >>> Samir

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> > >>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> > >>>>

> > >>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am

astonished

> > > to

> > >>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten

years

> > > of

> > >>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence

can

> > > be

> > >>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

> > > many of

> > >>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> > >>>>

> > >>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of

not

> > > one

> > >>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a

general

> > > reading

> > >>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this

answer

> > >>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

> > > please

> > >>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> > >>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont

mind.

> > >>>>

> > >>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

> > > shaloka you

> > >>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

> > > scriptures

> > >>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

> > > general

> > >>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these

planets.

> > > For

> > >>> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> > >>>>

> > >>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

> > > retrogression

> > >>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect

which

> > > we are

> > >>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have

all

> > > the

> > >>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> > >>> >Regards,

> > >>> >Pran Razdan

> > >>>>

> > >>> >, Samir Shah

> > > <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> || hare r�ma k��na ||

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> > >>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> > >>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> > >>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> > >>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> > >>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> > >>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> > >>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

> > > otherwise

> > >> produce.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> > >>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> > >>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> which translates to:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> > >>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Best wishes,

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Samir

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> > >>>>> >, Samir Shah

> > >> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>> >Dear Samir,

> > >>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

> > > which is

> > >>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

> > > career

> > >>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

> > > strong

> > >> sat in

> > >>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One

more

> > > similar

> > >>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

> > >>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

> > > dasa

> > >> was the

> > >>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

> > > cars and

> > >>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

> > > Rahu in the

> > >>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

> > > away.

> > >> Jupiter

> > >>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn

here.

> > >> Obviously

> > >>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

> > > everything.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

> > > scriptures

> > >> donot

> > >>>>> >mention anything about it.

> > >>>>> >Regards

> > >>>>> >Pran Razdan

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> || hare r�ma k��na ||

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > >>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > >>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > >>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > >>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > >>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > >>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > >>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > >>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > >>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > >>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > >>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Samir

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > >>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen"

> > >> <visti@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

> > >>>>>>> >Namaskaar.

> > >>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

> > > all

> > >>> >scriptures

> > >>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

> > > good

> > >> results,

> > >>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

> > >> Scorpio and

> > >>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

> > > etc. It

> > >>> >looks the

> > >>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

> > > several

> > >>> >charts but

> > >>>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

> > >>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > >>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

> > > marriage,

> > >>> >deep in

> > >>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

> > > the

> > >>> >swakhetri

> > >>>>>>> >Saturn.

> > >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

> > > fourth

> > >> lord in

> > >>>>> >fourth

> > >>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

> > > causes

> > >> increased

> > >>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

> > > mercury in

> > >>> >fourth

> > >>>>>>> >will make

> > >>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

> > > around due

> > >>> >to its

> > >>>>>>> >rajasic

> > >>>>>>>>> traits.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> ***

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> ***

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> _____

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> >[] On

> > >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > > Satisfaction

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

> > > (jupiter

> > >>>>> >exalted in 4th

> > >>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

> > > purusha

> > >> chart)?

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

> > > can help

> > >>> >make the

> > >>>>>>> >world

> > >>>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%>

40srigaruda.com> com

> > >>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > >>>>>>>>>> @ <%>

40>

> > >>>>>>> >

> > >>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > >> Satisfaction

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

> > > in the

> > >>> >twelfth,

> > >>>>>>> >it will

> > >>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

> > > happy

> > >> marital

> > >>>>>>> >life, etc.

> > >>>>>>>>>> If

> > >>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

> > > ensures

> > >> mental

> > >>>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

> > >>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

> > > clothes

> > >>> >as the

> > >>>>>>> >native

> > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

> > > imagine if

> > >>> >that

> > >>>>>>> >planet is

> > >>>>>>>>>> afflicted...

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> ***

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > >>> >http://srigaruda.

> > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> ***

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> _____

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> @

> > >> <%40>

> > >>>>>>>>> [@

> > >>>>>>>>> <%40>

> > > ]

> > >>>>>>>>>> On

> > >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

> > >>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

> > >>>>>>>>>> @ <%>

40>

> > >>>>>>> >

> > >>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > > Satisfaction

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

> > > guidance

> > >>> >always

> > >>>>>>> >helped

> > >>>>>>>>>> me

> > >>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can

> > >> understand each

> > >>>>>>> >factor you

> > >>>>>>>>>> explained to me.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we

> > > should

> > >>> >conclude

> > >>>>>>> >if 4th

> > >>>>>>>>>> lord

> > >>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

> > >>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

> > > with

> > >> all his

> > >>>>>>> >deeds...or

> > >>>>>>>>>> karma

> > >>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

> > > never

> > >>> >been able

> > >>>>>>> >to be

> > >>>>>>>>>> satisfied.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

> > >> whatever he

> > >>>>> >achieves

> > >>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th

> > > house.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Tarun

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

> > > fourth

> > >>> >house,

> > >>>>>>> >and the

> > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

> > > the fourth

> > >>> >house,

> > >>>>>>> >being

> > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > >>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our

> > > happiness

> > >>> >increases

> > >>>>>>> >and our

> > >>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

> > > the

> > >> fifth

> > >>>>> >from the

> > >>>>>>>>>> fourth,

> > >>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

> > > in the

> > >>> >body due

> > >>>>>>> >to weak

> > >>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

> > > away.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

> > > and

> > >> this is

> > >>>>> >seen from

> > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

> > > planets

> > >> placed

> > >>>>> >in the

> > >>>>>>>>>> twelfth

> > >>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

> > > twelfth

> > >>> >house

> > >>>>>>>>>> auspicious

> > >>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

> > > meditate

> > >> on the

> > >>>>> >sanjivani

> > >>>>>>>>>> beeja

> > >>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

> > >> mantra: Om

> > >>>>>>> >Joom Sah,

> > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > >>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of

> > > sadashiva

> > >>> >beeja; haum.

> > >>>>>>> >Hence:

> > >>>>>>>>>> Om

> > >>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

> > > health,

> > >>>>>>> >recooperation,

> > >>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally

> > >> opening the

> > >>>>> >third eye

> > >>>>>>>>>> with

> > >>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> ***

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > >>> >http://srigaruda.

> > >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> ***

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> _____

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

> > >>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

> > > Ashram.

> > >>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

> > >> Krishna'

> > >>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > >>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > >>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > >>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

> > > chart

> > >>>>> >reading today

> > >>>>>>> >

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Dear Pran........did you check A4 and other parameters also. Saturn

posited in his house must be good but since it is a malefic it has

its own drawbacks too.

 

regards

Aru

 

 

 

, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote:

>

> Dear Aru- You are perfectly right. But my initial question was that

> when all the scriptures advise that any planet in its own house,

> including a malefic, is bound to give good effects why does it not

> happen in case of Saturn in 4th house of Scorpio ascendants.I have

> seen several such charts who have severe problems of 4th house

effects

> i.e lack of residential property, vehicles and overall unhappiness.

> I have not been able to get a satisfactory answer to this question

so

> far.

> I wonder if this position of Saturn in such charts is an exception

to

> the general rule.

> Pran Razdan

>

> , "Aravinda" <aru_dulla@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on

happiness.

> > Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of

unhappiness

> > in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in

a

> > way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

> > perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in

lagna

> > or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will

always

> > be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in

the

> > fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

> >

> > regards

> > Aru

> >

> >

> >

> > , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Samir,

> > > It is alright if it was a typo.

> > > I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own

house

> > giving

> > > them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

> > question I

> > > had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

> > > In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of

Saturn

> > > which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

> > general

> > > unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

> > Saturn's

> > > aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the

case

> > of

> > > Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

> > > Regards

> > > Pran Razdan

> > >

> > > , Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || hare r�ma k��na ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> > > > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> > > > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> > > > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> > > > the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> > > > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> > > > knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> > > > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> > > > to another aspect of the chart.

> > > >

> > > > I do not agree that retrogression simply

> > > > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> > > > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> > > > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it

than

> > that.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> > > > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> > > > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> > > > makes many statements in many chapters that are

> > > > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Samir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am

astonished

> > to

> > > > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten

years

> > of

> > > > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence

can

> > be

> > > > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

> > many of

> > > > >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> > > > >

> > > > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of

not

> > one

> > > > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a

general

> > reading

> > > > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this

answer

> > > > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an

answer

> > please

> > > > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> > > > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont

mind.

> > > > >

> > > > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

> > shaloka you

> > > > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

> > scriptures

> > > > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets,

a

> > general

> > > > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these

planets.

> > For

> > > > >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> > > > >

> > > > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

> > retrogression

> > > > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect

which

> > we are

> > > > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have

all

> > the

> > > > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> > > > >Regards,

> > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > >

> > > > >, Samir Shah

> > <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> > > > > > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> > > > > > pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> > > > > > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> > > > > > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> > > > > > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> > > > > > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> > > > > > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

> > otherwise

> > > produce.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> > > > > > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> > > > > > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > which translates to:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> > > > > > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Samir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > > >, Samir Shah

> > > <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Dear Samir,

> > > > > > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the

chart

> > which is

> > > > > > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

> > career

> > > > > > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect

of

> > strong

> > > sat in

> > > > > > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One

more

> > similar

> > > > > > >chart has been given by Kumar.

> > > > > > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that

Rahu

> > dasa

> > > was the

> > > > > > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house,

two

> > cars and

> > > > > > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

> > Rahu in the

> > > > > > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

> > away.

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn

here.

> > > Obviously

> > > > > > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

> > everything.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

> > scriptures

> > > donot

> > > > > > >mention anything about it.

> > > > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || hare r�ma k��na ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > > > > > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > > > > > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > > > > > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > > > > > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > > > > > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > > > > > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > > > > > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > > > > > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > > > > > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > > > > > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > > > > > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Samir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > > > > >, "Visti Larsen"

> > > <visti@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >Dear Vistiji,

> > > > > > > > >Namaskaar.

> > > > > > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if

almost

> > all

> > > > >scriptures

> > > > > > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house

gives

> > good

> > > results,

> > > > > > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like

in

> > > Scorpio and

> > > > > > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real

estate

> > etc. It

> > > > >looks the

> > > > > > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

> > several

> > > > >charts but

> > > > > > > > >the one below is prominent.

> > > > > > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > > > > > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle,

no

> > marriage,

> > > > >deep in

> > > > > > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other

than

> > the

> > > > >swakhetri

> > > > > > > > >Saturn.

> > > > > > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

> > fourth

> > > lord in

> > > > > > >fourth

> > > > > > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

> > causes

> > > increased

> > > > > > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

> > mercury in

> > > > >fourth

> > > > > > > > >will make

> > > > > > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

> > around due

> > > > >to its

> > > > > > > > >rajasic

> > > > > > > > > > traits.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >[] On

> > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > Satisfaction

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

> > (jupiter

> > > > > > >exalted in 4th

> > > > > > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

> > purusha

> > > chart)?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least

we

> > can help

> > > > >make the

> > > > > > > > >world

> > > > > > > > > > safe for diversity.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%

> > 40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > > > > > > > > @ <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > > Satisfaction

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well

placed

> > in the

> > > > >twelfth,

> > > > > > > > >it will

> > > > > > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep,

rest,

> > happy

> > > marital

> > > > > > > > >life, etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

> > ensures

> > > mental

> > > > > > > > > > > satisfaction,

> > > > > > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or

prettiest

> > clothes

> > > > >as the

> > > > > > > > >native

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled.

However,

> > imagine if

> > > > >that

> > > > > > > > >planet is

> > > > > > > > > > > afflicted...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > > > >http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > @

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > [@

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > ]

> > > > > > > > > > > On

> > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > > > > > > > > @ <%

> > 40>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > Satisfaction

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and

your

> > guidance

> > > > >always

> > > > > > > > >helped

> > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can

> > > understand each

> > > > > > > > >factor you

> > > > > > > > > > > explained to me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what

we

> > should

> > > > >conclude

> > > > > > > > >if 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > is in 12th house

> > > > > > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be

satisfied

> > with

> > > all his

> > > > > > > > >deeds...or

> > > > > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the

person is

> > never

> > > > >been able

> > > > > > > > >to be

> > > > > > > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied

with

> > > whatever he

> > > > > > >achieves

> > > > > > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to

12th

> > house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay

Rath;

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from

the

> > fourth

> > > > >house,

> > > > > > > > >and the

> > > > > > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru'

of

> > the fourth

> > > > >house,

> > > > > > > > >being

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our

> > happiness

> > > > >increases

> > > > > > > > >and our

> > > > > > > > > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house

being

> > the

> > > fifth

> > > > > > >from the

> > > > > > > > > > > fourth,

> > > > > > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will

arise

> > in the

> > > > >body due

> > > > > > > > >to weak

> > > > > > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the

doctor

> > away.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs

rest

> > and

> > > this is

> > > > > > >seen from

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

> > planets

> > > placed

> > > > > > >in the

> > > > > > > > > > > twelfth

> > > > > > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make

the

> > twelfth

> > > > >house

> > > > > > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

> > meditate

> > > on the

> > > > > > >sanjivani

> > > > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the

kahola

> > > mantra: Om

> > > > > > > > >Joom Sah,

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of

> > sadashiva

> > > > >beeja; haum.

> > > > > > > > >Hence:

> > > > > > > > > > > Om

> > > > > > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for

perfect

> > health,

> > > > > > > > >recooperation,

> > > > > > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally

> > > opening the

> > > > > > >third eye

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > > > >http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay

Rath.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~

> > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta

> > Ashram.

> > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama

> > > Krishna'

> > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free

> > chart

> > > > > > >reading today

> > > > > > > > >