House Mental Satisfaction

July 2, 2006

|| hare räma kåñna ||

Dear Pran, Namaskar

Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

So all the points that you mentioned may not

necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

Hopefully other members will add to this or

correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

>, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:

> >Dear Vistiji,

>Namaskaar.

>It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures

>say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

>why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

>libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the

>principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but

>the one below is prominent.

>Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

>The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in

>debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri

>Saturn.

>Pran Razdan

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> >

> > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth

> > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth

>will make

> > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its

>rajasic

> > traits.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

>[] On

> > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > 27 June 2006 20:07

> >

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > Dear Visti ji

> >

> > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th

> > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the

>world

> > safe for diversity.

> >

> > >

> > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > @ <%40>

>

> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

>it will

> > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

>life, etc.

> > > If

> > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > > satisfaction,

> > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

>native

> > > is

> > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

>planet is

> > > afflicted...

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > @ <%40>

> > [@

> > <%40> ]

> > > On

> > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > @ <%40>

>

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > >

> > > Dear Visti ji,

> > >

> > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

>helped

> > > me

> > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > >

> > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

>factor you

> > > explained to me.

> > >

> > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude

>if 4th

> > > lord

> > > is in 12th house

> > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

>deeds...or

> > > karma

> > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able

>to be

> > > satisfied.

> > >

> > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves

> > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> > >

> > > Thanks and best Regards

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > >

> > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > >

> > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

>and the

> > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

>being

> > > that

> > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > >

> > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

>and our

> > > mental satisfaction also.

> > >

> > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the

> > > fourth,

> > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due

>to weak

> > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> > >

> > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from

> > > the

> > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the

> > > twelfth

> > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > >

> > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

> > > auspicious

> > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani

> > > beeja

> > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

>Joom Sah,

> > > and

> > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

>Hence:

> > > Om

> > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

>recooperation,

> > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye

> > > with

> > > the help of Shiva.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> >

>

>~ om tat sat ~

>Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

>Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

>(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>the Great who said that the human stomach should

>not become a graveyard for animals.

>(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

>

July 2, 2006

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

You got it... its Kalatra Shapa as Saturn and Rahu lord the fourth house,

arudha lagna and upapada. Now try Jayendra Sarasvatis chart and try the same

approach.

Now you will realize how important curses are in the chart.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

<http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

***

_____

[] On

Behalf Of Samir Shah

02 July 2006 13:28

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

|| hare räma kåñna ||

Dear Pran, Namaskar

Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn is retrograde, which will

certainly modify the results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh is ill

placed in the 8th house forming a strong Kalatra shaapa, as well as a

daridra yoga. Since Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, it is

no doubt going to cause some shocks in this area. The UL is also in

Aquarius.

Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun lording both the tithi and

vaara of birth. This the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

So all the points that you mentioned may not necessarily be linked to

Saturn's placement.

Hopefully other members will add to this or correct me if I'm wrong. I hope

it helps.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:

>Dear Vistiji,

Namaskaar.

It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures

say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the

principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but

the one below is prominent.

Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in

debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri

Saturn.

Pran Razdan

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

>

> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth

> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth

will make

> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its

rajasic

> traits.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> < http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com/>

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[ <>

] On

> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> 27 June 2006 20:07

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Visti ji

>

> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th

> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the

world

> safe for diversity.

>

> >

> > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com

<visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > com

> > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > @ < %40

<> >

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >

> > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

it will

> > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

life, etc.

> > If

> > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > satisfaction,

> > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

native

> > is

> > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

planet is

> > afflicted...

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda <http://srigaruda/> . < http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com/> > com> http://srigaruda <http://srigaruda/> .

> < http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > @ < %40

<> >

> [@

> < <>

%40> ]

> > On

> > Behalf Of Tarun

> > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > @ < %40

<> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > Dear Visti ji,

> >

> > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

helped

> > me

> > to understand the depth of astrology.

> >

> > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

factor you

> > explained to me.

> >

> > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude

if 4th

> > lord

> > is in 12th house

> > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

deeds...or

> > karma

> > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able

to be

> > satisfied.

> >

> > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves

> > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> >

> > Thanks and best Regards

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > Visti Larsen wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >

> > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> >

> > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

and the

> > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

being

> > that

> > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> >

> > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

and our

> > mental satisfaction also.

> >

> > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the

> > fourth,

> > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due

to weak

> > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> >

> > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from

> > the

> > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the

> > twelfth

> > are vital for the recooperation process.

> >

> > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

> > auspicious

> > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani

> > beeja

> > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

Joom Sah,

> > and

> > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

Hence:

> > Om

> > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

recooperation,

> > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye

> > with

> > the help of Shiva.

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda <http://srigaruda/> . < http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com/> > com> http://srigaruda <http://srigaruda/> .

> < http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

July 2, 2006

Dear Visti Guruji,

Namaskar,

Sorry for interrupting th flow.

Is that the case that his whole life curse acts on him??

Atleast at some instance there must not the operational dasa , the curse giver dasa should be seen for this??

As I have Pitri Shapa pointed by you hence my frustation and failure.

So MOOLA dasa of Rahu may be bad??

Jayendra Saraswathi cahrt is now very imp chart to study curse.

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

JL

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

You got it... its Kalatra Shapa as Saturn and Rahu lord the fourth house, arudha lagna and upapada. Now try Jayendra Sarasvatis chart and try the same approach.

Now you will realize how important curses are in the chart.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

***

[] On Behalf Of Samir Shah

02 July 2006 13:28

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

|| hare räma kåñna ||

Dear Pran, Namaskar

Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn is retrograde, which will certainly modify the results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house, it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

So all the points that you mentioned may not necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

Hopefully other members will add to this or correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:

>Dear Vistiji,

Namaskaar.

It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures

say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the

principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but

the one below is prominent.

Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in

debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri

Saturn.

Pran Razdan

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

>

> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth

> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth

will make

> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its

rajasic

> traits.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> < http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

On

> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> 27 June 2006 20:07

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Visti ji

>

> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th

> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the

world

> safe for diversity.

>

> >

> > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > @ < %40>

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >

> > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

it will

> > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

life, etc.

> > If

> > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > satisfaction,

> > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

native

> > is

> > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

planet is

> > afflicted...

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> < http://srigaruda.com> com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > @ < %40>

> [@

> < %40> ]

> > On

> > Behalf Of Tarun

> > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > @ < %40>

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > Dear Visti ji,

> >

> > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

helped

> > me

> > to understand the depth of astrology.

> >

> > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

factor you

> > explained to me.

> >

> > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude

if 4th

> > lord

> > is in 12th house

> > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

deeds...or

> > karma

> > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able

to be

> > satisfied.

> >

> > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves

> > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> >

> > Thanks and best Regards

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > Visti Larsen wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >

> > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> >

> > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

and the

> > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

being

> > that

> > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> >

> > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

and our

> > mental satisfaction also.

> >

> > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the

> > fourth,

> > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due

to weak

> > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> >

> > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from

> > the

> > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the

> > twelfth

> > are vital for the recooperation process.

> >

> > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

> > auspicious

> > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani

> > beeja

> > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

Joom Sah,

> > and

> > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

Hence:

> > Om

> > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

recooperation,

> > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye

> > with

> > the help of Shiva.

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> < http://srigaruda.com> com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

July 3, 2006

|| hare räma kåñna ||

Dear Guruji, Pranaam

Let me try and apply this to Jayendra Saraswati's chart...

There is a strong kalatra shaapa in the 8th house

caused by Rahu and lagnesha Saturn. Both Saturn

and Rahu are causing Ari and Naaga bandhana -

thus able to cause imprisonment, and Saturn is

retrograde meaning the curse will not be

avoided. Saturn is lagnesh so the effect will be

felt on name and fame - in this case giving lots

of negative publicity. Rahu is aspecting the AL

causing the scandal from which everything arose.

Is this the right track? What I am not sure

about is the Moola Dasa - he was imprisoned

during Jupiter-Saturn dasa... how is Jupiter involved?

Thank you,

Samir

At 14:33 02/07/2006, you wrote:

>||Hare Rama Krsna||

>Dear Samir, Namaskar

>You got it... its Kalatra Shapa as Saturn and

>Rahu lord the fourth house, arudha lagna and

>upapada. Now try Jayendra Sarasvatis chart and try the same approach.

>Now you will realize how important curses are in the chart.

>Best wishes,

>***

>Visti Larsen

>For services and articles visit:

><http://srigaruda.com>http://srigaruda.com

>***

>

>----------

>

>[] On Behalf Of Samir Shah

>02 July 2006 13:28

>

>Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

>|| hare räma kåñna ||

>

>Dear Pran, Namaskar

>

>Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

>is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

>results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

>is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

>Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra

>yoga. Since Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords

>the 4th house, it is no doubt going to cause

>some shocks in this area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

>

>Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

>lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

>the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

>

>So all the points that you mentioned may not

>necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

>

>Hopefully other members will add to this or

>correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

>

>Best wishes,

>

>Samir

>

>At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

>>, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:

>> >Dear Vistiji,

>>Namaskaar.

>>It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures

>>say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

>>why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

>>libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the

>>principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but

>>the one below is prominent.

>>Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

>>The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in

>>debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri

>>Saturn.

>>Pran Razdan

>>

>> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>> >

>> > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

>> >

>> > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in fourth

>> > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

>> > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth

>>will make

>> > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its

>>rajasic

>> > traits.

>> >

>> > Best wishes,

>> >

>> > ***

>> >

>> > Visti Larsen

>> >

>> > For services and articles visit:

>> >

>> > < http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>> >

>> > ***

>> >

>> > _____

>> >

>> On

>> > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

>> > 27 June 2006 20:07

>> >

>> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>> >

>> > Dear Visti ji

>> >

>> > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter exalted in 4th

>> > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

>> >

>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>> >

>> > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the

>>world

>> > safe for diversity.

>> >

>> > >

>> > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com> com

>> > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

>> > > @ < %40>

>>

>> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>> > >

>> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>> > >

>> > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>> > >

>> > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

>>it will

>> > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

>>life, etc.

>> > > If

>> > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

>> > > satisfaction,

>> > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

>>native

>> > > is

>> > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

>>planet is

>> > > afflicted...

>> > >

>> > > Best wishes,

>> > >

>> > > ***

>> > >

>> > > Visti Larsen

>> > >

>> > > For services and articles visit:

>> > >

>> > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

>> > < http://srigaruda.com> com

>> > >

>> > > ***

>> > >

>> > > _____

>> > >

>> > > @ < %40>

>> > [@

>> > < %40> ]

>> > > On

>> > > Behalf Of Tarun

>> > > 27 June 2006 18:02

>> > > @ < %40>

>>

>> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>> > >

>> > > Dear Visti ji,

>> > >

>> > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

>>helped

>> > > me

>> > > to understand the depth of astrology.

>> > >

>> > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

>>factor you

>> > > explained to me.

>> > >

>> > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude

>>if 4th

>> > > lord

>> > > is in 12th house

>> > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

>>deeds...or

>> > > karma

>> > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able

>>to be

>> > > satisfied.

>> > >

>> > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves

>> > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

>> > >

>> > > Thanks and best Regards

>> > >

>> > > Tarun

>> > >

>> > > Visti Larsen wrote:

>> > >

>> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>> > >

>> > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>> > >

>> > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

>> > >

>> > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

>>and the

>> > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

>>being

>> > > that

>> > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

>> > >

>> > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

>>and our

>> > > mental satisfaction also.

>> > >

>> > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the

>> > > fourth,

>> > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due

>>to weak

>> > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

>> > >

>> > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen from

>> > > the

>> > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the

>> > > twelfth

>> > > are vital for the recooperation process.

>> > >

>> > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

>> > > auspicious

>> > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the sanjivani

>> > > beeja

>> > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

>>Joom Sah,

>> > > and

>> > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

>>Hence:

>> > > Om

>> > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

>>recooperation,

>> > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third eye

>> > > with

>> > > the help of Shiva.

>> > >

>> > > I hope this helps.

>> > >

>> > > Best wishes,

>> > >

>> > > ***

>> > >

>> > > Visti Larsen

>> > >

>> > > For services and articles visit:

>> > >

>> > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

>> > < http://srigaruda.com> com

>> > >

>> > > ***

>> > >

>> > > _____

>> > >

>> > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>> >

>>

>>~ om tat sat ~

>>Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

>>Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

>>(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>>the Great who said that the human stomach

>>should not become a graveyard for animals.

>>(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

>>

July 3, 2006

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote:

>

Dear Samir,

Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in

4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

chart has been given by Kumar.

The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the

best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter

is obviously weak and cannot help.

So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously

it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot

mention anything about it.

Regards

Pran Razdan

> || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

>

> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>

> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

>

> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

>

> So all the points that you mentioned may not

> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

>

> Hopefully other members will add to this or

> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> > >Dear Vistiji,

> >Namaskaar.

> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures

> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the

> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but

> >the one below is prominent.

> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in

> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri

> >Saturn.

> >Pran Razdan

> >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

fourth

> > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth

> >will make

> > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its

> >rajasic

> > > traits.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> >[] On

> > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > >

> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > >

> > > Dear Visti ji

> > >

> > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

exalted in 4th

> > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the

> >world

> > > safe for diversity.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > @ <%40>

> >

> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

> >it will

> > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

> >life, etc.

> > > > If

> > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > > > satisfaction,

> > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

> >native

> > > > is

> > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

> >planet is

> > > > afflicted...

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > >

> > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > @ <%40>

> > > [@

> > > <%40> ]

> > > > On

> > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > @ <%40>

> >

> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > >

> > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

> >helped

> > > > me

> > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

> >factor you

> > > > explained to me.

> > > >

> > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude

> >if 4th

> > > > lord

> > > > is in 12th house

> > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

> >deeds...or

> > > > karma

> > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able

> >to be

> > > > satisfied.

> > > >

> > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

achieves

> > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > >

> > > > Tarun

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > >

> > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

> >and the

> > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

> >being

> > > > that

> > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > >

> > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

> >and our

> > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > >

> > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

from the

> > > > fourth,

> > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due

> >to weak

> > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> > > >

> > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

seen from

> > > > the

> > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

in the

> > > > twelfth

> > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > >

> > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

> > > > auspicious

> > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

sanjivani

> > > > beeja

> > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

> >Joom Sah,

> > > > and

> > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

> >Hence:

> > > > Om

> > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> >recooperation,

> > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

third eye

> > > > with

> > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > >

> > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > >

> >

> >~ om tat sat ~

> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

> >

July 3, 2006

|| hare räma kåñna ||

Dear Pran, Namaskar

I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

pointed out, that when curses exist, and

especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce.

I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

which translates to:

For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

>, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote:

> >

>Dear Samir,

>Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

>fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

>problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in

>4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

>chart has been given by Kumar.

>The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the

>best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

>several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

>chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter

>is obviously weak and cannot help.

>

>So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously

>it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

>

>I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot

>mention anything about it.

>Regards

>Pran Razdan

>

> > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> >

> > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >

> > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> >

> > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> >

> > So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> >

> > Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> > > >Dear Vistiji,

> > >Namaskaar.

> > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures

> > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

> > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

> > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the

> > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but

> > >the one below is prominent.

> > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in

> > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri

> > >Saturn.

> > >Pran Razdan

> > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

>fourth

> > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth

> > >will make

> > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its

> > >rajasic

> > > > traits.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > >

> > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > >[] On

> > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > > >

> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti ji

> > > >

> > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

>exalted in 4th

> > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the

> > >world

> > > > safe for diversity.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > > @ <%40>

> > >

> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

> > >it will

> > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

> > >life, etc.

> > > > > If

> > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > > > > satisfaction,

> > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

> > >native

> > > > > is

> > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

> > >planet is

> > > > > afflicted...

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > >

> > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > >

> > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > @ <%40>

> > > > [@

> > > > <%40> ]

> > > > > On

> > > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > > @ <%40>

> > >

> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

> > >helped

> > > > > me

> > > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

> > >factor you

> > > > > explained to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude

> > >if 4th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > is in 12th house

> > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

> > >deeds...or

> > > > > karma

> > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able

> > >to be

> > > > > satisfied.

> > > > >

> > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

>achieves

> > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > > >

> > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

> > >and the

> > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

> > >being

> > > > > that

> > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > > >

> > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

> > >and our

> > > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > > >

> > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

>from the

> > > > > fourth,

> > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due

> > >to weak

> > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

>seen from

> > > > > the

> > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

>in the

> > > > > twelfth

> > > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > > >

> > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

> > > > > auspicious

> > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

>sanjivani

> > > > > beeja

> > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

> > >Joom Sah,

> > > > > and

> > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

> > >Hence:

> > > > > Om

> > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> > >recooperation,

> > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

>third eye

> > > > > with

> > > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > >

> > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > >

> > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > > >

> > >

> > >~ om tat sat ~

> > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

>reading today

> > >

July 4, 2006

Dear Samir, Namaskar.

I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to

hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of

association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be

ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of

which spring up in this field from new gurus.

I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one

but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading

of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please

say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you

have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures

have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general

consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For

details please read Laghu Parashari.

Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression

simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are

talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the

more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

Regards,

Pran Razdan

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote:

>

> || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

>

> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>

> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce.

>

> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

>

> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

>

> which translates to:

>

> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > >

> >Dear Samir,

> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in

> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

> >chart has been given by Kumar.

> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the

> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter

> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> >

> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously

> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

> >

> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot

> >mention anything about it.

> >Regards

> >Pran Razdan

> >

> > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > >

> > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> > >

> > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> > >

> > > So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> > >

> > > Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Samir

> > >

> > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >Dear Vistiji,

> > > >Namaskaar.

> > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all

scriptures

> > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

> > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

> > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It

looks the

> > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several

charts but

> > > >the one below is prominent.

> > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage,

deep in

> > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the

swakhetri

> > > >Saturn.

> > > >Pran Razdan

> > > >

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

> >fourth

> > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in

fourth

> > > >will make

> > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due

to its

> > > >rajasic

> > > > > traits.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > >

> > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > >

> > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > >[] On

> > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > > > >

> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Visti ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

> >exalted in 4th

> > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help

make the

> > > >world

> > > > > safe for diversity.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > > > @ <%40>

> > > >

> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the

twelfth,

> > > >it will

> > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

> > > >life, etc.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > > > > > satisfaction,

> > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes

as the

> > > >native

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if

that

> > > >planet is

> > > > > > afflicted...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ***

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

http://srigaruda.

> > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ***

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @ <%40>

> > > > > [@

> > > > > <%40> ]

> > > > > > On

> > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > > > @ <%40>

> > > >

> > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance

always

> > > >helped

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

> > > >factor you

> > > > > > explained to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should

conclude

> > > >if 4th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > is in 12th house

> > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

> > > >deeds...or

> > > > > > karma

> > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never

been able

> > > >to be

> > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

> >achieves

> > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth

house,

> > > >and the

> > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth

house,

> > > >being

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness

increases

> > > >and our

> > > > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

> >from the

> > > > > > fourth,

> > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the

body due

> > > >to weak

> > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

> >seen from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

> >in the

> > > > > > twelfth

> > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth

house

> > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

> >sanjivani

> > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

> > > >Joom Sah,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva

beeja; haum.

> > > >Hence:

> > > > > > Om

> > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> > > >recooperation,

> > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

> >third eye

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ***

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

http://srigaruda.

> > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ***

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >~ om tat sat ~

> > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> >reading today

> > > >

July 4, 2006

Dear Pran,

Rahu when placed in kendra/trikona with any kendra/trikona lords always gives best time during their Dasas/Bhuktis, especially in this case where Rahu is posited in Moolatrikona.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Ravi Nair

Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote:

|| hare räma kåñna ||

Dear Pran, Namaskar

I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji pointed out, that when curses exist, and especially in this case when the Lagnesh is involved and it is in the 8th house, this will tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce.

I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

which translates to:

For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote:

>

Dear Samir,

Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in

4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

chart has been given by Kumar.

The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the

best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter

is obviously weak and cannot help.

So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously

it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot

mention anything about it.

Regards

Pran Razdan

> || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

>

> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>

> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

>

> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

>

> So all the points that you mentioned may not

> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

>

> Hopefully other members will add to this or

> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> > >Dear Vistiji,

> >Namaskaar.

> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all scriptures

> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It looks the

> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several charts but

> >the one below is prominent.

> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage, deep in

> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri

> >Saturn.

> >Pran Razdan

> >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

fourth

> > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth

> >will make

> > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its

> >rajasic

> > > traits.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > < http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > On

> > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > >

> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > >

> > > Dear Visti ji

> > >

> > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

exalted in 4th

> > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the

> >world

> > > safe for diversity.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > @ < %40>

> >

> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

> >it will

> > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

> >life, etc.

> > > > If

> > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > > > satisfaction,

> > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

> >native

> > > > is

> > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

> >planet is

> > > > afflicted...

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > >

> > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> > > < http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > @ < %40>

> > > [@

> > > < %40> ]

> > > > On

> > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > @ < %40>

> >

> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > >

> > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

> >helped

> > > > me

> > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

> >factor you

> > > > explained to me.

> > > >

> > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude

> >if 4th

> > > > lord

> > > > is in 12th house

> > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

> >deeds...or

> > > > karma

> > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able

> >to be

> > > > satisfied.

> > > >

> > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

achieves

> > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > >

> > > > Tarun

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > >

> > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

> >and the

> > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

> >being

> > > > that

> > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > >

> > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

> >and our

> > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > >

> > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

from the

> > > > fourth,

> > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due

> >to weak

> > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> > > >

> > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

seen from

> > > > the

> > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

in the

> > > > twelfth

> > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > >

> > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

> > > > auspicious

> > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

sanjivani

> > > > beeja

> > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

> >Joom Sah,

> > > > and

> > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

> >Hence:

> > > > Om

> > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> >recooperation,

> > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

third eye

> > > > with

> > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > >

> > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

> > > < http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > >

> >

> >~ om tat sat ~

> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

> >

July 4, 2006

Absolutely right Ravi.

Pran

, "A. Ravindran Nair"

<rain13club wrote:

>

> Dear Pran,

>

> Rahu when placed in kendra/trikona with any kendra/trikona lords

always gives best time during their Dasas/Bhuktis, especially in this

case where Rahu is posited in Moolatrikona.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ravi Nair

>

> Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote:

> || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

>

> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>

> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in this chart. But

the point was, as Vistiji pointed out, that when curses exist, and

especially in this case when the Lagnesh is involved and it is in the

8th house, this will tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact delay or deny the

results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce.

>

> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's lordship. Below is a

quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

>

> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

>

> which translates to:

>

> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn and Rahu, should be

proclaimed as lords.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

wrote:

> >

> Dear Samir,

> Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

> fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

> problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in

> 4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

> chart has been given by Kumar.

> The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the

> best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

> several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

> chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter

> is obviously weak and cannot help.

>

> So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously

> it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

>

> I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot

> mention anything about it.

> Regards

> Pran Razdan

>

> > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> >

> > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >

> > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> >

> > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> >

> > So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> >

> > Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> > > >Dear Vistiji,

> > >Namaskaar.

> > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all

scriptures

> > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

> > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

> > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It

looks the

> > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several

charts but

> > >the one below is prominent.

> > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage,

deep in

> > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the swakhetri

> > >Saturn.

> > >Pran Razdan

> > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

> fourth

> > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in fourth

> > >will make

> > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due to its

> > >rajasic

> > > > traits.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > >

> > > > < http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > On

> > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > > >

> > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti ji

> > > >

> > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

> exalted in 4th

> > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help

make the

> > >world

> > > > safe for diversity.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > > @ < %40>

> > >

> > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

> > >it will

> > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

> > >life, etc.

> > > > > If

> > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > > > > satisfaction,

> > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes

as the

> > >native

> > > > > is

> > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

> > >planet is

> > > > > afflicted...

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > >

> > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > >

> > > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com>

http://srigaruda.

> > > > < http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > @ < %40>

> > > > [@

> > > > < %40> ]

> > > > > On

> > > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > > @ < %40>

> > >

> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

> > >helped

> > > > > me

> > > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

> > >factor you

> > > > > explained to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude

> > >if 4th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > is in 12th house

> > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

> > >deeds...or

> > > > > karma

> > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never

been able

> > >to be

> > > > > satisfied.

> > > > >

> > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

> achieves

> > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > > >

> > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

> > >and the

> > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth

house,

> > >being

> > > > > that

> > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > > >

> > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness

increases

> > >and our

> > > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > > >

> > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

> from the

> > > > > fourth,

> > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the

body due

> > >to weak

> > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

> seen from

> > > > > the

> > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

> in the

> > > > > twelfth

> > > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > > >

> > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

> > > > > auspicious

> > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

> sanjivani

> > > > > beeja

> > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

> > >Joom Sah,

> > > > > and

> > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja;

haum.

> > >Hence:

> > > > > Om

> > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> > >recooperation,

> > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

> third eye

> > > > > with

> > > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > >

> > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > >

> > > > > <http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com>

http://srigaruda.

> > > > < http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > > >

> > >

> > >~ om tat sat ~

> > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> reading today

> > >

July 6, 2006

-

Dear Vistiji,

Sir, please I have one question. You said that the fifth house shows

the future, and the ninth house shows the past. But what would it mean

if for virgo ascendent saturn is in the 12th house and jupiter is in

the 4th house? Does that mean person won't get good sleep but would

still be satisfied and happy.

Thanks.

Regards,

Nutan

-- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>

> The fifth house shows the future, and the ninth house shows the

past. So the

> future of happiness (fourth house) is good health and longevity (eighth

> house). Similarly the future of disease (eighth house) is

hospitalization

> and recovery (twelfth house).

>

> Malefics placed in the fifth/ninth houses cause problems to the house,

> especially if there is bad friendship between the planets.

>

> Example: Saturn in the eighth house gives long life and good health,

but if

> Mars is in the twelfth house then doctors involvement or accidents

during

> sleeping/recovery will damage the health and happiness.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Tarun

> 27 June 2006 19:02

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Visti ji,

>

> Namaskar,

>

> I understand the things very clearly.

>

> Sir please dont mind but just one more question is coming in my mind.

>

> You said that""Should our happiness suffer the eighth house being

the fifth

> from the fourth,""

> Sir i guess 5th house in argala is auspicious kind of combination.

>

> sir if a planet is in 5th house to its own house or in argala should

we see

> suffering related to that.

>

> Thanks and Best Regards

> Tarun

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>

> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, it will

> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital life,

etc. If

> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

satisfaction,

> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

native is

> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

planet is

> afflicted...

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Tarun

> 27 June 2006 18:02

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Visti ji,

>

> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

helped me

> to understand the depth of astrology.

>

> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each factor you

> explained to me.

>

> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude if

4th lord

> is in 12th house

> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his deeds...or

> karma

> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able to be

> satisfied.

>

> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves

> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

>

> Thanks and best Regards

>

> Tarun

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>

> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

>

> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, and the

> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

being that

> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

>

> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

and our

> mental satisfaction also.

>

> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the

fourth,

> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due to

weak

> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

>

> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen

from the

> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the

twelfth

> are vital for the recooperation process.

>

> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

auspicious

> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

sanjivani beeja

> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om Joom

Sah, and

> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

Hence: Om

> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, recooperation,

> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third

eye with

> the help of Shiva.

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>

July 6, 2006

|| hare räma kåñna ||

Dear Pran, Namaskar

Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

the process of learning - and in that capacity I

am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

knew - and suggesting that the effects you

mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

to another aspect of the chart.

I do not agree that retrogression simply

increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that.

Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

makes many statements in many chapters that are

equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

>Dear Samir, Namaskar.

>

>I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to

>hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of

>association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be

>ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of

>which spring up in this field from new gurus.

>

>I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one

>but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading

>of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

>simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please

>say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

>irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

>

>As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you

>have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures

>have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general

>consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For

>details please read Laghu Parashari.

>

>Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression

>simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are

>talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the

>more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

>Regards,

>Pran Razdan

>

>, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote:

> >

> > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> >

> > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >

> > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> > pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce.

> >

> > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> >

> > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> >

> > which translates to:

> >

> > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > >

> > >Dear Samir,

> > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

> > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

> > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in

> > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

> > >chart has been given by Kumar.

> > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the

> > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

> > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

> > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter

> > >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> > >

> > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously

> > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

> > >

> > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot

> > >mention anything about it.

> > >Regards

> > >Pran Razdan

> > >

> > > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> > > >

> > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> > > >

> > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> > > >

> > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Samir

> > > >

> > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> > > > > >Dear Vistiji,

> > > > >Namaskaar.

> > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all

>scriptures

> > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

> > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

> > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It

>looks the

> > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several

>charts but

> > > > >the one below is prominent.

> > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage,

>deep in

> > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the

>swakhetri

> > > > >Saturn.

> > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > >

> > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

> > >fourth

> > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in

>fourth

> > > > >will make

> > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due

>to its

> > > > >rajasic

> > > > > > traits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ***

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ***

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > >[] On

> > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Visti ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

> > >exalted in 4th

> > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help

>make the

> > > > >world

> > > > > > safe for diversity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > > > > @ <%40>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the

>twelfth,

> > > > >it will

> > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

> > > > >life, etc.

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> > > > > > > satisfaction,

> > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes

>as the

> > > > >native

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if

>that

> > > > >planet is

> > > > > > > afflicted...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

>http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @ <%40>

> > > > > > [@

> > > > > > <%40> ]

> > > > > > > On

> > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > > > > @ <%40>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance

>always

> > > > >helped

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

> > > > >factor you

> > > > > > > explained to me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should

>conclude

> > > > >if 4th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > is in 12th house

> > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

> > > > >deeds...or

> > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never

>been able

> > > > >to be

> > > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

> > >achieves

> > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth

>house,

> > > > >and the

> > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth

>house,

> > > > >being

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness

>increases

> > > > >and our

> > > > > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

> > >from the

> > > > > > > fourth,

> > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the

>body due

> > > > >to weak

> > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

> > >seen from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

> > >in the

> > > > > > > twelfth

> > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth

>house

> > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

> > >sanjivani

> > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

> > > > >Joom Sah,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva

>beeja; haum.

> > > > >Hence:

> > > > > > > Om

> > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> > > > >recooperation,

> > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

> > >third eye

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

>http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >~ om tat sat ~

> > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > > > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> > >reading today

> > > > >

July 6, 2006

Dear Samir ji

I have not seen retrograde planet (or even debilitated) planet turning out to be malefic for the chart (if they are benefic for the lagna). Yes, retrogression brings different attributes of the concerned planet in forefront; and any a times, native fails to cope up to take the advantage. For example - retrograde mercury will help native in picking up the hidden meanings of symbols / signs / discussions and will have little different vision of the subject; and very often this confusion - might lead to wrong decisions.

regards / Prafulla Gang

We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams.

>

> solaris.smoke

> Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:24:05 +0300

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> || hare rÃ¤ma kÃ¥Ã±na ||

>

> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>

> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> to another aspect of the chart.

>

> I do not agree that retrogression simply

> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that.

>

> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> makes many statements in many chapters that are

> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

>>

> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to

> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of

> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be

> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of

> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

>>

> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one

> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading

> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please

> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

>>

> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you

> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures

> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general

> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For

> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

>>

> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression

> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are

> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the

> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> >Regards,

> >Pran Razdan

>>

> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke

> wrote:

>>>

>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

>>>

>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>

>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce.

>>>

>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

>>>

>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

>>>

>>> which translates to:

>>>

>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

>>>

>>> Best wishes,

>>>

>>> Samir

>>>

>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

>>> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>> >Dear Samir,

>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in

>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the

>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter

>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

>>>>

>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously

>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

>>>>

>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot

>>> >mention anything about it.

>>> >Regards

>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>

>>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>

>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

>>>>>

>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

>>>>>

>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

>>>>>

>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>

>>>>> Samir

>>>>>

>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

>>>>> >Namaskaar.

>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all

> >scriptures

>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It

> >looks the

>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several

> >charts but

>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage,

> >deep in

>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the

> >swakhetri

>>>>> >Saturn.

>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

>>> >fourth

>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in

> >fourth

>>>>> >will make

>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due

> >to its

>>>>> >rajasic

>>>>>>> traits.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>

>>>>> >[] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

>>> >exalted in 4th

>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help

> >make the

>>>>> >world

>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

>>>>>>>> @ <%40>

>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the

> >twelfth,

>>>>> >it will

>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

>>>>> >life, etc.

>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes

> >as the

>>>>> >native

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if

> >that

>>>>> >planet is

>>>>>>>> afflicted...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> @ <%40>

>>>>>>> [@

>>>>>>> <%40> ]

>>>>>>>> On

>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

>>>>>>>> @ <%40>

>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance

> >always

>>>>> >helped

>>>>>>>> me

>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

>>>>> >factor you

>>>>>>>> explained to me.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should

> >conclude

>>>>> >if 4th

>>>>>>>> lord

>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

>>>>> >deeds...or

>>>>>>>> karma

>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never

> >been able

>>>>> >to be

>>>>>>>> satisfied.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

>>> >achieves

>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth

> >house,

>>>>> >and the

>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth

> >house,

>>>>> >being

>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness

> >increases

>>>>> >and our

>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

>>> >from the

>>>>>>>> fourth,

>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the

> >body due

>>>>> >to weak

>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

>>> >seen from

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

>>> >in the

>>>>>>>> twelfth

>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth

> >house

>>>>>>>> auspicious

>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

>>> >sanjivani

>>>>>>>> beeja

>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

>>>>> >Joom Sah,

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva

> >beeja; haum.

>>>>> >Hence:

>>>>>>>> Om

>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

>>>>> >recooperation,

>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

>>> >third eye

>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

>>> >reading today

>>>>> >

July 6, 2006

vyam vyasadevaya namah

Dear Prafulla,

Retrogression is denial and strong iccha-sakti. One is very determined

and denial make him even more determined. This is right approach.

Jupiter debiliated in fifth and Vakra can make one schizophrenic (example in VRA).

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

-

Prafulla Gang

Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:38 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

Dear Samir ji

I have not seen retrograde planet (or even debilitated) planet turning out to be malefic for the chart (if they are benefic for the lagna). Yes, retrogression brings different attributes of the concerned planet in forefront; and any a times, native fails to cope up to take the advantage. For example - retrograde mercury will help native in picking up the hidden meanings of symbols / signs / discussions and will have little different vision of the subject; and very often this confusion - might lead to wrong decisions.

regards / Prafulla Gang

We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called memories.. Some take us forward, they're called dreams.

>

> solaris.smoke

> Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:24:05 +0300

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> || hare rÃ¤ma kÃ¥Ã±na ||

>

> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>

> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> to another aspect of the chart.

>

> I do not agree that retrogression simply

> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that.

>

> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> makes many statements in many chapters that are

> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

>>

> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to

> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of

> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be

> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of

> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

>>

> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one

> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading

> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please

> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

>>

> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you

> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures

> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general

> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For

> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

>>

> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression

> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are

> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the

> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> >Regards,

> >Pran Razdan

>>

> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke

> wrote:

>>>

>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

>>>

>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>

>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise produce.

>>>

>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

>>>

>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

>>>

>>> which translates to:

>>>

>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

>>>

>>> Best wishes,

>>>

>>> Samir

>>>

>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

>>> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>> >Dear Samir,

>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong sat in

>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was the

>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away. Jupiter

>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

>>>>

>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here. Obviously

>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

>>>>

>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures donot

>>> >mention anything about it.

>>> >Regards

>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>

>>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>

>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

>>>>>

>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

>>>>>

>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

>>>>>

>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>

>>>>> Samir

>>>>>

>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

>>>>> >Namaskaar.

>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all

> >scriptures

>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good results,

>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio and

>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It

> >looks the

>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several

> >charts but

>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage,

> >deep in

>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the

> >swakhetri

>>>>> >Saturn.

>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

>>> >fourth

>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in

> >fourth

>>>>> >will make

>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due

> >to its

>>>>> >rajasic

>>>>>>> traits.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>

>>>>> >[] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

>>> >exalted in 4th

>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help

> >make the

>>>>> >world

>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

>>>>>>>> @ <%40>

>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the

> >twelfth,

>>>>> >it will

>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

>>>>> >life, etc.

>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes

> >as the

>>>>> >native

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if

> >that

>>>>> >planet is

>>>>>>>> afflicted...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> @ <%40>

>>>>>>> [@

>>>>>>> <%40> ]

>>>>>>>> On

>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

>>>>>>>> @ <%40>

>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance

> >always

>>>>> >helped

>>>>>>>> me

>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

>>>>> >factor you

>>>>>>>> explained to me.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should

> >conclude

>>>>> >if 4th

>>>>>>>> lord

>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

>>>>> >deeds...or

>>>>>>>> karma

>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never

> >been able

>>>>> >to be

>>>>>>>> satisfied.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

>>> >achieves

>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth

> >house,

>>>>> >and the

>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth

> >house,

>>>>> >being

>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness

> >increases

>>>>> >and our

>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

>>> >from the

>>>>>>>> fourth,

>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the

> >body due

>>>>> >to weak

>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

>>> >seen from

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

>>> >in the

>>>>>>>> twelfth

>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth

> >house

>>>>>>>> auspicious

>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

>>> >sanjivani

>>>>>>>> beeja

>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

>>>>> >Joom Sah,

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva

> >beeja; haum.

>>>>> >Hence:

>>>>>>>> Om

>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

>>>>> >recooperation,

>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

>>> >third eye

>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

>>> >reading today

>>>>> >

July 6, 2006

Dear Rafal ji

But is this denial persist, or one get the results through his strong determination.

regards / Prafulla Gang

We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams.

>

> starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl

> Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:50:21 +0200

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> vyam vyasadevaya namah

> Dear Prafulla,

> Retrogression is denial and strong iccha-sakti. One is very determined

> and denial make him even more determined. This is right approach.

> Jupiter debiliated in fifth and Vakra can make one schizophrenic (example

> in VRA).

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

> -

> Prafulla Gang

>

> Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:38 AM

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Samir ji

>

> I have not seen retrograde planet (or even debilitated) planet turning

> out to be malefic for the chart (if they are benefic for the lagna). Yes,

> retrogression brings different attributes of the concerned planet in

> forefront; and any a times, native fails to cope up to take the

> advantage. For example - retrograde mercury will help native in picking

> up the hidden meanings of symbols / signs / discussions and will have

> little different vision of the subject; and very often this confusion -

> might lead to wrong decisions.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called

> memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams.

>

> >

> > solaris.smoke

> > Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:24:05 +0300

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > || hare rÃ¤ma kÃ¥Ã±na ||

> >

> > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >

> > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> > the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> > knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> > to another aspect of the chart.

> >

> > I do not agree that retrogression simply

> > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that.

> >

> > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> > makes many statements in many chapters that are

> > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> > >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> >>

> > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to

> > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of

> > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be

> > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of

> > >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> >>

> > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one

> > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general

> reading

> > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

> > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please

> > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

> >>

> > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka

> you

> > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures

> > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general

> > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For

> > >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> >>

> > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression

> > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are

> > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the

> > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> > >Regards,

> > >Pran Razdan

> >>

> > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke

> > wrote:

> >>>

> >>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>

> >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>

> >>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> >>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> >>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> >>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> >>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> >>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> >>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> >>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise

> produce.

> >>>

> >>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> >>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> >>>

> >>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> >>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> >>>

> >>> which translates to:

> >>>

> >>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> >>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> >>>

> >>> Best wishes,

> >>>

> >>> Samir

> >>>

> >>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> >>> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>> >Dear Samir,

> >>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

> >>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

> >>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong

> sat in

> >>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more

> similar

> >>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

> >>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa was

> the

> >>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

> >>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in

> the

> >>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away.

> Jupiter

> >>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> >>>>

> >>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

> Obviously

> >>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

> >>>>

> >>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures

> donot

> >>> >mention anything about it.

> >>> >Regards

> >>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>

> >>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> >>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> >>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> >>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> >>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> >>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> >>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> >>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> >>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> >>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

> >>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

> >>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Samir

> >>>>>

> >>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@>

> wrote:

> >>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

> >>>>> >Namaskaar.

> >>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all

> > >scriptures

> >>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good

> results,

> >>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in Scorpio

> and

> >>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It

> > >looks the

> >>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several

> > >charts but

> >>>>> >the one below is prominent.

> >>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> >>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage,

> > >deep in

> >>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the

> > >swakhetri

> >>>>> >Saturn.

> >>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

> >>> >fourth

> >>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes

> increased

> >>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in

> > >fourth

> >>>>> >will make

> >>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due

> > >to its

> >>>>> >rajasic

> >>>>>>> traits.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>> >[] On

> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

> >>> >exalted in 4th

> >>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help

> > >make the

> >>>>> >world

> >>>>>>> safe for diversity.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> >>>>>>>> @ <%40>

> >>>>> >

> >>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the

> > >twelfth,

> >>>>> >it will

> >>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

> >>>>> >life, etc.

> >>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> >>>>>>>> satisfaction,

> >>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes

> > >as the

> >>>>> >native

> >>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if

> > >that

> >>>>> >planet is

> >>>>>>>> afflicted...

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> @ <%40>

> >>>>>>> [@

> >>>>>>> <%40> ]

> >>>>>>>> On

> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

> >>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

> >>>>>>>> @ <%40>

> >>>>> >

> >>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance

> > >always

> >>>>> >helped

> >>>>>>>> me

> >>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

> >>>>> >factor you

> >>>>>>>> explained to me.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should

> > >conclude

> >>>>> >if 4th

> >>>>>>>> lord

> >>>>>>>> is in 12th house

> >>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

> >>>>> >deeds...or

> >>>>>>>> karma

> >>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never

> > >been able

> >>>>> >to be

> >>>>>>>> satisfied.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

> >>> >achieves

> >>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Tarun

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth

> > >house,

> >>>>> >and the

> >>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth

> > >house,

> >>>>> >being

> >>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness

> > >increases

> >>>>> >and our

> >>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

> >>> >from the

> >>>>>>>> fourth,

> >>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the

> > >body due

> >>>>> >to weak

> >>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

> >>> >seen from

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

> >>> >in the

> >>>>>>>> twelfth

> >>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth

> > >house

> >>>>>>>> auspicious

> >>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

> >>> >sanjivani

> >>>>>>>> beeja

> >>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

> >>>>> >Joom Sah,

> >>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva

> > >beeja; haum.

> >>>>> >Hence:

> >>>>>>>> Om

> >>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> >>>>> >recooperation,

> >>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

> >>> >third eye

> >>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

> >>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> >>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> >>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> >>> >reading today

> >>>>> >

July 6, 2006

Dear Prafulla,

Yes, you are right.

I have also observed in some charts that retrograde mercury in a bad

house results in ADD (Attention deficit disorder). This however needs

confirmation. Please keep this in mind.

Pran

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Samir ji

>

> I have not seen retrograde planet (or even debilitated) planet

turning out to be malefic for the chart (if they are benefic for the

lagna). Yes, retrogression brings different attributes of the

concerned planet in forefront; and any a times, native fails to cope

up to take the advantage. For example - retrograde mercury will help

native in picking up the hidden meanings of symbols / signs /

discussions and will have little different vision of the subject; and

very often this confusion - might lead to wrong decisions.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> We all have our time machines. Some take us back, They're called

memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams.

>

> >

> > solaris.smoke

> > Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:24:05 +0300

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > || hare rÃ¤ma kÃ¥Ã±na ||

> >

> > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >

> > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> > the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> > knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> > to another aspect of the chart.

> >

> > I do not agree that retrogression simply

> > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that.

> >

> > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> > makes many statements in many chapters that are

> > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> > >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> >>

> > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to

> > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of

> > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be

> > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of

> > >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> >>

> > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one

> > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading

> > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

> > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please

> > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

> >>

> > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

shaloka you

> > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures

> > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general

> > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For

> > >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> >>

> > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression

> > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are

> > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the

> > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> > >Regards,

> > >Pran Razdan

> >>

> > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

> > wrote:

> >>>

> >>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>

> >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>

> >>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> >>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> >>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> >>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> >>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> >>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> >>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> >>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise

produce.

> >>>

> >>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> >>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> >>>

> >>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> >>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> >>>

> >>> which translates to:

> >>>

> >>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> >>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> >>>

> >>> Best wishes,

> >>>

> >>> Samir

> >>>

> >>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> >>> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>> >Dear Samir,

> >>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

> >>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

> >>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong

sat in

> >>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

> >>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

> >>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa

was the

> >>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

> >>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

> >>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away.

Jupiter

> >>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> >>>>

> >>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

Obviously

> >>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

> >>>>

> >>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures

donot

> >>> >mention anything about it.

> >>> >Regards

> >>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>

> >>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> >>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> >>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> >>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> >>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> >>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> >>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> >>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> >>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> >>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

> >>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

> >>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Samir

> >>>>>

> >>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>> >, "Visti Larsen" <visti@>

wrote:

> >>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

> >>>>> >Namaskaar.

> >>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all

> > >scriptures

> >>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good

results,

> >>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

Scorpio and

> >>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It

> > >looks the

> >>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several

> > >charts but

> >>>>> >the one below is prominent.

> >>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> >>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage,

> > >deep in

> >>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the

> > >swakhetri

> >>>>> >Saturn.

> >>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth lord in

> >>> >fourth

> >>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes increased

> >>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in

> > >fourth

> >>>>> >will make

> >>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due

> > >to its

> >>>>> >rajasic

> >>>>>>> traits.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>> >[] On

> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

> >>> >exalted in 4th

> >>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha chart)?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help

> > >make the

> >>>>> >world

> >>>>>>> safe for diversity.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> >>>>>>>> @ <%40>

> >>>>> >

> >>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the

> > >twelfth,

> >>>>> >it will

> >>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital

> >>>>> >life, etc.

> >>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> >>>>>>>> satisfaction,

> >>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes

> > >as the

> >>>>> >native

> >>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if

> > >that

> >>>>> >planet is

> >>>>>>>> afflicted...

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> @ <%40>

> >>>>>>> [@

> >>>>>>> <%40> ]

> >>>>>>>> On

> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

> >>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

> >>>>>>>> @ <%40>

> >>>>> >

> >>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance

> > >always

> >>>>> >helped

> >>>>>>>> me

> >>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

> >>>>> >factor you

> >>>>>>>> explained to me.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should

> > >conclude

> >>>>> >if 4th

> >>>>>>>> lord

> >>>>>>>> is in 12th house

> >>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

> >>>>> >deeds...or

> >>>>>>>> karma

> >>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never

> > >been able

> >>>>> >to be

> >>>>>>>> satisfied.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

> >>> >achieves

> >>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Tarun

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth

> > >house,

> >>>>> >and the

> >>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth

> > >house,

> >>>>> >being

> >>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness

> > >increases

> >>>>> >and our

> >>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth

> >>> >from the

> >>>>>>>> fourth,

> >>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the

> > >body due

> >>>>> >to weak

> >>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is

> >>> >seen from

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed

> >>> >in the

> >>>>>>>> twelfth

> >>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth

> > >house

> >>>>>>>> auspicious

> >>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

> >>> >sanjivani

> >>>>>>>> beeja

> >>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om

> >>>>> >Joom Sah,

> >>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva

> > >beeja; haum.

> >>>>> >Hence:

> >>>>>>>> Om

> >>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> >>>>> >recooperation,

> >>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the

> >>> >third eye

> >>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

> >>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> >>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> >>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> >>> >reading today

> >>>>> >

July 7, 2006

vyam vyasadevaya namah

Dear Nutan,

Sani in simha vyaya bhava for kanya lagna can give some problem with sleeping and generally quality of behaving resting in personality (charming, virtous and well-mannered - Parasara(Miscelaneous Yogas chapter) on subhakartari yoga on Lagna) but for serious affliction it must be aspected by malefics.. Here the Jupiter as kendra lord aspects kona lord sani so it is good situation (only from this partial perspective). Jupiter in forth will give hapiness, nice friend, good youth and of course all glorified consequences of hamsa mahapurus yoga..which will take the dark force of badhak away.

regards

Rafal Gendarz

-

nutan2510

Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:15 AM

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

-

Dear Vistiji,

Sir, please I have one question. You said that the fifth house shows

the future, and the ninth house shows the past. But what would it mean

if for virgo ascendent saturn is in the 12th house and jupiter is in

the 4th house? Does that mean person won't get good sleep but would

still be satisfied and happy.

Thanks.

Regards,

Nutan

-- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>

> The fifth house shows the future, and the ninth house shows the

past. So the

> future of happiness (fourth house) is good health and longevity (eighth

> house). Similarly the future of disease (eighth house) is

hospitalization

> and recovery (twelfth house).

>

> Malefics placed in the fifth/ninth houses cause problems to the house,

> especially if there is bad friendship between the planets.

>

> Example: Saturn in the eighth house gives long life and good health,

but if

> Mars is in the twelfth house then doctors involvement or accidents

during

> sleeping/recovery will damage the health and happiness.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Tarun

> 27 June 2006 19:02

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Visti ji,

>

> Namaskar,

>

> I understand the things very clearly.

>

> Sir please dont mind but just one more question is coming in my mind.

>

> You said that""Should our happiness suffer the eighth house being

the fifth

> from the fourth,""

> Sir i guess 5th house in argala is auspicious kind of combination.

>

> sir if a planet is in 5th house to its own house or in argala should

we see

> suffering related to that.

>

> Thanks and Best Regards

> Tarun

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>

> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth, it will

> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital life,

etc. If

> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

satisfaction,

> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

native is

> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

planet is

> afflicted...

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Tarun

> 27 June 2006 18:02

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Visti ji,

>

> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

helped me

> to understand the depth of astrology.

>

> i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each factor you

> explained to me.

>

> Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude if

4th lord

> is in 12th house

> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his deeds...or

> karma

> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been able to be

> satisfied.

>

> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he achieves

> because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

>

> Thanks and best Regards

>

> Tarun

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>

> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

>

> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house, and the

> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

being that

> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

>

> So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

and our

> mental satisfaction also.

>

> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the

fourth,

> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due to

weak

> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

>

> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen

from the

> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the

twelfth

> are vital for the recooperation process.

>

> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

auspicious

> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

sanjivani beeja

> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om Joom

Sah, and

> traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

Hence: Om

> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health, recooperation,

> washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third

eye with

> the help of Shiva.

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>

July 8, 2006

Thanks Rafalji.

Regards,

Nutan

-- In , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> vyam vyasadevaya namah

> Dear Nutan,

>

> Sani in simha vyaya bhava for kanya lagna can give some problem with

sleeping and generally quality of behaving resting in personality

(charming, virtous and well-mannered - Parasara(Miscelaneous Yogas

chapter) on subhakartari yoga on Lagna) but for serious affliction it

must be aspected by malefics. Here the Jupiter as kendra lord aspects

kona lord sani so it is good situation (only from this partial

perspective). Jupiter in forth will give hapiness, nice friend, good

youth and of course all glorified consequences of hamsa mahapurus

yoga..which will take the dark force of badhak away.

> regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

> -

> nutan2510

>

> Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:15 AM

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> -

> Dear Vistiji,

>

> Sir, please I have one question. You said that the fifth house shows

> the future, and the ninth house shows the past. But what would it mean

> if for virgo ascendent saturn is in the 12th house and jupiter is in

> the 4th house? Does that mean person won't get good sleep but would

> still be satisfied and happy.

>

> Thanks.

> Regards,

>

> Nutan

>

> -- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >

> > The fifth house shows the future, and the ninth house shows the

> past. So the

> > future of happiness (fourth house) is good health and longevity

(eighth

> > house). Similarly the future of disease (eighth house) is

> hospitalization

> > and recovery (twelfth house).

> >

> > Malefics placed in the fifth/ninth houses cause problems to the

house,

> > especially if there is bad friendship between the planets.

> >

> > Example: Saturn in the eighth house gives long life and good health,

> but if

> > Mars is in the twelfth house then doctors involvement or accidents

> during

> > sleeping/recovery will damage the health and happiness.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> [] On

> > Behalf Of Tarun

> > 27 June 2006 19:02

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > Dear Visti ji,

> >

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > I understand the things very clearly.

> >

> > Sir please dont mind but just one more question is coming in my

mind.

> >

> > You said that""Should our happiness suffer the eighth house being

> the fifth

> > from the fourth,""

> > Sir i guess 5th house in argala is auspicious kind of combination.

> >

> > sir if a planet is in 5th house to its own house or in argala should

> we see

> > suffering related to that.

> >

> > Thanks and Best Regards

> > Tarun

> >

> > Visti Larsen wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >

> > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the twelfth,

it will

> > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy marital life,

> etc. If

> > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures mental

> satisfaction,

> > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes as the

> native is

> > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if that

> planet is

> > afflicted...

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> [] On

> > Behalf Of Tarun

> > 27 June 2006 18:02

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > Dear Visti ji,

> >

> > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance always

> helped me

> > to understand the depth of astrology.

> >

> > i read the same mail many times so that i can understand each

factor you

> > explained to me.

> >

> > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should conclude if

> 4th lord

> > is in 12th house

> > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with all his

deeds...or

> > karma

> > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never been

able to be

> > satisfied.

> >

> > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with whatever he

achieves

> > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> >

> > Thanks and best Regards

> >

> > Tarun

> >

> > Visti Larsen wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >

> > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> >

> > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth house,

and the

> > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth house,

> being that

> > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> >

> > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness increases

> and our

> > mental satisfaction also.

> >

> > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the fifth from the

> fourth,

> > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the body due to

> weak

> > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> >

> > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and this is seen

> from the

> > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets placed in the

> twelfth

> > are vital for the recooperation process.

> >

> > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth house

> auspicious

> > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate on the

> sanjivani beeja

> > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola mantra: Om Joom

> Sah, and

> > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva beeja; haum.

> Hence: Om

> > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

recooperation,

> > washing away of sins from past life and finally opening the third

> eye with

> > the help of Shiva.

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> >

>

July 8, 2006

Dear Samir,

It is alright if it was a typo.

I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house giving

them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the question I

had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn

which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the general

unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says Saturn's

aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case of

Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

Regards

Pran Razdan

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote:

>

> || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

>

> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>

> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> to another aspect of the chart.

>

> I do not agree that retrogression simply

> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than that.

>

> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> makes many statements in many chapters that are

> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> >

> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished to

> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years of

> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can be

> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory, many of

> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> >

> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not one

> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general reading

> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer please

> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

> >

> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the shaloka you

> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some scriptures

> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a general

> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets. For

> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> >

> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since retrogression

> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which we are

> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all the

> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> >Regards,

> >Pran Razdan

> >

> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > >

> > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > >

> > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > >

> > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> > > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> > > pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> > > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> > > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> > > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> > > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> > > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would otherwise

produce.

> > >

> > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> > > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> > >

> > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> > > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> > >

> > > which translates to:

> > >

> > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> > > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Samir

> > >

> > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> > > >, Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > >Dear Samir,

> > > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart which is

> > > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems, career

> > > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of strong

sat in

> > > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more similar

> > > >chart has been given by Kumar.

> > > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu dasa

was the

> > > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two cars and

> > > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable Rahu in the

> > > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went away.

Jupiter

> > > >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> > > >

> > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

Obviously

> > > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do everything.

> > > >

> > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral scriptures

donot

> > > >mention anything about it.

> > > >Regards

> > > >Pran Razdan

> > > >

> > > > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> > > > >

> > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> > > > >

> > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Samir

> > > > >

> > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > >, "Visti Larsen"

<visti@> wrote:

> > > > > > >Dear Vistiji,

> > > > > >Namaskaar.

> > > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost all

> >scriptures

> > > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives good

results,

> > > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

Scorpio and

> > > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate etc. It

> >looks the

> > > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have several

> >charts but

> > > > > >the one below is prominent.

> > > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no marriage,

> >deep in

> > > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than the

> >swakhetri

> > > > > >Saturn.

> > > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that fourth

lord in

> > > >fourth

> > > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth causes

increased

> > > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst mercury in

> >fourth

> > > > > >will make

> > > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets around due

> >to its

> > > > > >rajasic

> > > > > > > traits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >[] On

> > > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Visti ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction (jupiter

> > > >exalted in 4th

> > > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala purusha

chart)?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help

> >make the

> > > > > >world

> > > > > > > safe for diversity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > > > > > @ <%40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

Satisfaction

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed in the

> >twelfth,

> > > > > >it will

> > > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest, happy

marital

> > > > > >life, etc.

> > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also ensures

mental

> > > > > > > > satisfaction,

> > > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest clothes

> >as the

> > > > > >native

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However, imagine if

> >that

> > > > > >planet is

> > > > > > > > afflicted...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @

<%40>

> > > > > > > [@

> > > > > > > <%40> ]

> > > > > > > > On

> > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > > > > > @ <%40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your guidance

> >always

> > > > > >helped

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can

understand each

> > > > > >factor you

> > > > > > > > explained to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we should

> >conclude

> > > > > >if 4th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > is in 12th house

> > > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied with

all his

> > > > > >deeds...or

> > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is never

> >been able

> > > > > >to be

> > > > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

whatever he

> > > >achieves

> > > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the fourth

> >house,

> > > > > >and the

> > > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of the fourth

> >house,

> > > > > >being

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our happiness

> >increases

> > > > > >and our

> > > > > > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being the

fifth

> > > >from the

> > > > > > > > fourth,

> > > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise in the

> >body due

> > > > > >to weak

> > > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor away.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest and

this is

> > > >seen from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the planets

placed

> > > >in the

> > > > > > > > twelfth

> > > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the twelfth

> >house

> > > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably meditate

on the

> > > >sanjivani

> > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

mantra: Om

> > > > > >Joom Sah,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of sadashiva

> >beeja; haum.

> > > > > >Hence:

> > > > > > > > Om

> > > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect health,

> > > > > >recooperation,

> > > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally

opening the

> > > >third eye

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >~ om tat sat ~

> > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'

> > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> > > >reading today

> > > > > >

July 9, 2006

Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness.

Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness

in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a

way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna

or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always

be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the

fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

regards

Aru

, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote:

>

> Dear Samir,

> It is alright if it was a typo.

> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house

giving

> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

question I

> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn

> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

general

> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

Saturn's

> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case

of

> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

> Regards

> Pran Razdan

>

> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

wrote:

> >

> > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> >

> > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >

> > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> > the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> > knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> > to another aspect of the chart.

> >

> > I do not agree that retrogression simply

> > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

that.

> >

> > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> > makes many statements in many chapters that are

> > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> > >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> > >

> > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished

to

> > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years

of

> > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can

be

> > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

many of

> > >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> > >

> > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not

one

> > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general

reading

> > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

> > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

please

> > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

> > >

> > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

shaloka you

> > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

scriptures

> > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

general

> > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets.

For

> > >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> > >

> > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

retrogression

> > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which

we are

> > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all

the

> > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> > >Regards,

> > >Pran Razdan

> > >

> > >, Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> > > > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> > > > pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> > > > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> > > > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> > > > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> > > > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> > > > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

otherwise

> produce.

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> > > > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> > > >

> > > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> > > > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> > > >

> > > > which translates to:

> > > >

> > > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> > > > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Samir

> > > >

> > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >, Samir Shah

> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > >Dear Samir,

> > > > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

which is

> > > > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

career

> > > > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

strong

> sat in

> > > > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more

similar

> > > > >chart has been given by Kumar.

> > > > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

dasa

> was the

> > > > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

cars and

> > > > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

Rahu in the

> > > > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

away.

> Jupiter

> > > > >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> > > > >

> > > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

> Obviously

> > > > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

everything.

> > > > >

> > > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

scriptures

> donot

> > > > >mention anything about it.

> > > > >Regards

> > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > >

> > > > > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > > > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > > > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > > > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > > > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > > > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > > > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > > > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > > > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > > > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > > > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > > > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Samir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > > >, "Visti Larsen"

> <visti@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >Dear Vistiji,

> > > > > > >Namaskaar.

> > > > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

all

> > >scriptures

> > > > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

good

> results,

> > > > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

> Scorpio and

> > > > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

etc. It

> > >looks the

> > > > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

several

> > >charts but

> > > > > > >the one below is prominent.

> > > > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > > > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

marriage,

> > >deep in

> > > > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

the

> > >swakhetri

> > > > > > >Saturn.

> > > > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

fourth

> lord in

> > > > >fourth

> > > > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

causes

> increased

> > > > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

mercury in

> > >fourth

> > > > > > >will make

> > > > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

around due

> > >to its

> > > > > > >rajasic

> > > > > > > > traits.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >[] On

> > > > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

Satisfaction

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

(jupiter

> > > > >exalted in 4th

> > > > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

purusha

> chart)?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

can help

> > >make the

> > > > > > >world

> > > > > > > > safe for diversity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%

40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > > > > > > @ <%

40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> Satisfaction

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

in the

> > >twelfth,

> > > > > > >it will

> > > > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

happy

> marital

> > > > > > >life, etc.

> > > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

ensures

> mental

> > > > > > > > > satisfaction,

> > > > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

clothes

> > >as the

> > > > > > >native

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

imagine if

> > >that

> > > > > > >planet is

> > > > > > > > > afflicted...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > >http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @

> <%40>

> > > > > > > > [@

> > > > > > > > <%40>

]

> > > > > > > > > On

> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > > > > > > @ <%

40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

Satisfaction

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

guidance

> > >always

> > > > > > >helped

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can

> understand each

> > > > > > >factor you

> > > > > > > > > explained to me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we

should

> > >conclude

> > > > > > >if 4th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > is in 12th house

> > > > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

with

> all his

> > > > > > >deeds...or

> > > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

never

> > >been able

> > > > > > >to be

> > > > > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

> whatever he

> > > > >achieves

> > > > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th

house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

fourth

> > >house,

> > > > > > >and the

> > > > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

the fourth

> > >house,

> > > > > > >being

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our

happiness

> > >increases

> > > > > > >and our

> > > > > > > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

the

> fifth

> > > > >from the

> > > > > > > > > fourth,

> > > > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

in the

> > >body due

> > > > > > >to weak

> > > > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

away.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

and

> this is

> > > > >seen from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

planets

> placed

> > > > >in the

> > > > > > > > > twelfth

> > > > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

twelfth

> > >house

> > > > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

meditate

> on the

> > > > >sanjivani

> > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

> mantra: Om

> > > > > > >Joom Sah,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of

sadashiva

> > >beeja; haum.

> > > > > > >Hence:

> > > > > > > > > Om

> > > > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

health,

> > > > > > >recooperation,

> > > > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally

> opening the

> > > > >third eye

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > >http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~

> > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

Ashram.

> > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

> Krishna'

> > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart

> > > > >reading today

> > > > > > >

July 9, 2006

Dear Arvinda ji

I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th lord in lagna. It makes the native focussing on domestic issues. How about kumbha lagna shani in 4th house? Will the shani (though natural malefic planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) deny domestic comforts and happiness. Here shani will aspect the lagna as well !!

regards / Prafulla Gang

Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>

> aru_dulla

> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness.

> Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness

> in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a

> way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

> perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna

> or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always

> be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the

> fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

>

> regards

> Aru

>

> , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote:

>>

>> Dear Samir,

>> It is alright if it was a typo.

>> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house

> giving

>> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

> question I

>> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

>> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn

>> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

> general

>> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

> Saturn's

>> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case

> of

>> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

>> Regards

>> Pran Razdan

>>

>> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

> wrote:

>>>

>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

>>>

>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>

>>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

>>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

>>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

>>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

>>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

>>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

>>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

>>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

>>> to another aspect of the chart.

>>>

>>> I do not agree that retrogression simply

>>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

>>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

>>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

> that.

>>>

>>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

>>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

>>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

>>> makes many statements in many chapters that are

>>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

>>>

>>> Best wishes,

>>>

>>> Samir

>>>

>>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

>>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

>>>>

>>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished

> to

>>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years

> of

>>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can

> be

>>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

> many of

>>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

>>>>

>>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not

> one

>>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general

> reading

>>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

>>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

> please

>>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

>>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

>>>>

>>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

> shaloka you

>>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

> scriptures

>>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

> general

>>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets.

> For

>>> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

>>>>

>>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

> retrogression

>>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which

> we are

>>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all

> the

>>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

>>> >Regards,

>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>

>>> >, Samir Shah

> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>

>>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

>>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

>>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

>>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

>>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

>>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

>>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

>>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

> otherwise

>> produce.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

>>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

>>>>>

>>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

>>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

>>>>>

>>>>> which translates to:

>>>>>

>>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

>>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>

>>>>> Samir

>>>>>

>>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

>>>>> >, Samir Shah

>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>> >Dear Samir,

>>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

> which is

>>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

> career

>>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

> strong

>> sat in

>>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more

> similar

>>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

>>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

> dasa

>> was the

>>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

> cars and

>>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

> Rahu in the

>>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

> away.

>> Jupiter

>>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

>> Obviously

>>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

> everything.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

> scriptures

>> donot

>>>>> >mention anything about it.

>>>>> >Regards

>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

>>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

>>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

>>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

>>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

>>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

>>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

>>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

>>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

>>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

>>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

>>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Samir

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

>>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen"

>> <visti@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

>>>>>>> >Namaskaar.

>>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

> all

>>> >scriptures

>>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

> good

>> results,

>>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

>> Scorpio and

>>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

> etc. It

>>> >looks the

>>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

> several

>>> >charts but

>>>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

>>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

>>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

> marriage,

>>> >deep in

>>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

> the

>>> >swakhetri

>>>>>>> >Saturn.

>>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

> fourth

>> lord in

>>>>> >fourth

>>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

> causes

>> increased

>>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

> mercury in

>>> >fourth

>>>>>>> >will make

>>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

> around due

>>> >to its

>>>>>>> >rajasic

>>>>>>>>> traits.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >[] On

>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

> (jupiter

>>>>> >exalted in 4th

>>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

> purusha

>> chart)?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

> can help

>>> >make the

>>>>>>> >world

>>>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%

> 40srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

>>>>>>>>>> @ <%

> 40>

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

> in the

>>> >twelfth,

>>>>>>> >it will

>>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

> happy

>> marital

>>>>>>> >life, etc.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

> ensures

>> mental

>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

>>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

> clothes

>>> >as the

>>>>>>> >native

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

> imagine if

>>> >that

>>>>>>> >planet is

>>>>>>>>>> afflicted...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

>>> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> @

>> <%40>

>>>>>>>>> [@

>>>>>>>>> <%40>

> ]

>>>>>>>>>> On

>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

>>>>>>>>>> @ <%

> 40>

>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

> guidance

>>> >always

>>>>>>> >helped

>>>>>>>>>> me

>>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can

>> understand each

>>>>>>> >factor you

>>>>>>>>>> explained to me.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we

> should

>>> >conclude

>>>>>>> >if 4th

>>>>>>>>>> lord

>>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

>>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

> with

>> all his

>>>>>>> >deeds...or

>>>>>>>>>> karma

>>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

> never

>>> >been able

>>>>>>> >to be

>>>>>>>>>> satisfied.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

>> whatever he

>>>>> >achieves

>>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th

> house.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

> fourth

>>> >house,

>>>>>>> >and the

>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

> the fourth

>>> >house,

>>>>>>> >being

>>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our

> happiness

>>> >increases

>>>>>>> >and our

>>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

> the

>> fifth

>>>>> >from the

>>>>>>>>>> fourth,

>>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

> in the

>>> >body due

>>>>>>> >to weak

>>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

> away.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

> and

>> this is

>>>>> >seen from

>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

> planets

>> placed

>>>>> >in the

>>>>>>>>>> twelfth

>>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

> twelfth

>>> >house

>>>>>>>>>> auspicious

>>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

> meditate

>> on the

>>>>> >sanjivani

>>>>>>>>>> beeja

>>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

>> mantra: Om

>>>>>>> >Joom Sah,

>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of

> sadashiva

>>> >beeja; haum.

>>>>>>> >Hence:

>>>>>>>>>> Om

>>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

> health,

>>>>>>> >recooperation,

>>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally

>> opening the

>>>>> >third eye

>>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

>>> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

>>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

> Ashram.

>>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

>> Krishna'

>>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

>>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

>>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

> chart

>>>>> >reading today

>>>>>>> >

July 9, 2006

Dear Aru- You are perfectly right. But my initial question was that

when all the scriptures advise that any planet in its own house,

including a malefic, is bound to give good effects why does it not

happen in case of Saturn in 4th house of Scorpio ascendants.I have

seen several such charts who have severe problems of 4th house effects

i.e lack of residential property, vehicles and overall unhappiness.

I have not been able to get a satisfactory answer to this question so

far.

I wonder if this position of Saturn in such charts is an exception to

the general rule.

Pran Razdan

, "Aravinda" <aru_dulla wrote:

>

> Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness.

> Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness

> in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a

> way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

> perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna

> or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always

> be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the

> fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

>

> regards

> Aru

>

> , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Samir,

> > It is alright if it was a typo.

> > I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house

> giving

> > them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

> question I

> > had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

> > In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn

> > which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

> general

> > unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

> Saturn's

> > aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case

> of

> > Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

> > Regards

> > Pran Razdan

> >

> > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > >

> > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> > > cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> > > agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> > > are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> > > the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> > > am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> > > knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> > > mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> > > to another aspect of the chart.

> > >

> > > I do not agree that retrogression simply

> > > increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> > > say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> > > cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

> that.

> > >

> > > Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> > > Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> > > ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> > > makes many statements in many chapters that are

> > > equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Samir

> > >

> > > At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> > > >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> > > >

> > > >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished

> to

> > > >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years

> of

> > > >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can

> be

> > > >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

> many of

> > > >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> > > >

> > > >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not

> one

> > > >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general

> reading

> > > >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

> > > >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

> please

> > > >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> > > >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

> > > >

> > > >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

> shaloka you

> > > >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

> scriptures

> > > >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

> general

> > > >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets.

> For

> > > >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> > > >

> > > >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

> retrogression

> > > >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which

> we are

> > > >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all

> the

> > > >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> > > >Regards,

> > > >Pran Razdan

> > > >

> > > >, Samir Shah

> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> > > > > this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> > > > > pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> > > > > especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> > > > > involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> > > > > tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> > > > > that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> > > > > delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

> otherwise

> > produce.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> > > > > lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> > > > >

> > > > > vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> > > > > shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> > > > >

> > > > > which translates to:

> > > > >

> > > > > For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> > > > > and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Samir

> > > > >

> > > > > At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > >, Samir Shah

> > <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >Dear Samir,

> > > > > >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

> which is

> > > > > >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

> career

> > > > > >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

> strong

> > sat in

> > > > > >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more

> similar

> > > > > >chart has been given by Kumar.

> > > > > >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

> dasa

> > was the

> > > > > >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

> cars and

> > > > > >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

> Rahu in the

> > > > > >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

> away.

> > Jupiter

> > > > > >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

> > Obviously

> > > > > >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

> everything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

> scriptures

> > donot

> > > > > >mention anything about it.

> > > > > >Regards

> > > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > || hare rï¿½ma kï¿½ï¿½na ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pran, Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> > > > > > > is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> > > > > > > results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> > > > > > > is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> > > > > > > Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> > > > > > > Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> > > > > > > it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> > > > > > > area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> > > > > > > lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> > > > > > > the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So all the points that you mentioned may not

> > > > > > > necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hopefully other members will add to this or

> > > > > > > correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Samir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > > > >, "Visti Larsen"

> > <visti@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >Dear Vistiji,

> > > > > > > >Namaskaar.

> > > > > > > >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

> all

> > > >scriptures

> > > > > > > >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

> good

> > results,

> > > > > > > >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

> > Scorpio and

> > > > > > > >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

> etc. It

> > > >looks the

> > > > > > > >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

> several

> > > >charts but

> > > > > > > >the one below is prominent.

> > > > > > > >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> > > > > > > >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

> marriage,

> > > >deep in

> > > > > > > >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

> the

> > > >swakhetri

> > > > > > > >Saturn.

> > > > > > > >Pran Razdan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

> fourth

> > lord in

> > > > > >fourth

> > > > > > > > > invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

> causes

> > increased

> > > > > > > > > disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

> mercury in

> > > >fourth

> > > > > > > >will make

> > > > > > > > > the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

> around due

> > > >to its

> > > > > > > >rajasic

> > > > > > > > > traits.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >[] On

> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 20:07

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> Satisfaction

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

> (jupiter

> > > > > >exalted in 4th

> > > > > > > > > sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

> purusha

> > chart)?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

> can help

> > > >make the

> > > > > > > >world

> > > > > > > > > safe for diversity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%

> 40srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > > > Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> > > > > > > > > > @ <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > Satisfaction

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

> in the

> > > >twelfth,

> > > > > > > >it will

> > > > > > > > > > give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

> happy

> > marital

> > > > > > > >life, etc.

> > > > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

> ensures

> > mental

> > > > > > > > > > satisfaction,

> > > > > > > > > > i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

> clothes

> > > >as the

> > > > > > > >native

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

> imagine if

> > > >that

> > > > > > > >planet is

> > > > > > > > > > afflicted...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > > >http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > [@

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> ]

> > > > > > > > > > On

> > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tarun

> > > > > > > > > > 27 June 2006 18:02

> > > > > > > > > > @ <%

> 40>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> Satisfaction

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

> guidance

> > > >always

> > > > > > > >helped

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > to understand the depth of astrology.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i read the same mail many times so that i can

> > understand each

> > > > > > > >factor you

> > > > > > > > > > explained to me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir I have one question related to that- what we

> should

> > > >conclude

> > > > > > > >if 4th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > is in 12th house

> > > > > > > > > > shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

> with

> > all his

> > > > > > > >deeds...or

> > > > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > > > i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

> never

> > > >been able

> > > > > > > >to be

> > > > > > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

> > whatever he

> > > > > >achieves

> > > > > > > > > > because it has darken the factor related to 12th

> house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

> fourth

> > > >house,

> > > > > > > >and the

> > > > > > > > > > twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

> the fourth

> > > >house,

> > > > > > > >being

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So with good rest, and good recooperation our

> happiness

> > > >increases

> > > > > > > >and our

> > > > > > > > > > mental satisfaction also.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

> the

> > fifth

> > > > > >from the

> > > > > > > > > > fourth,

> > > > > > > > > > will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

> in the

> > > >body due

> > > > > > > >to weak

> > > > > > > > > > immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

> away.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

> and

> > this is

> > > > > >seen from

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

> planets

> > placed

> > > > > >in the

> > > > > > > > > > twelfth

> > > > > > > > > > are vital for the recooperation process.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

> twelfth

> > > >house

> > > > > > > > > > auspicious

> > > > > > > > > > offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

> meditate

> > on the

> > > > > >sanjivani

> > > > > > > > > > beeja

> > > > > > > > > > mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

> > mantra: Om

> > > > > > > >Joom Sah,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > traditionally we advise the addition of

> sadashiva

> > > >beeja; haum.

> > > > > > > >Hence:

> > > > > > > > > > Om

> > > > > > > > > > Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

> health,

> > > > > > > >recooperation,

> > > > > > > > > > washing away of sins from past life and finally

> > opening the

> > > > > >third eye

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the help of Shiva.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> > > >http://srigaruda.

> > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ***

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~

> > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

> Ashram.

> > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

> > Krishna'

> > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

> chart

> > > > > >reading today

> > > > > > > >

July 9, 2006

Dear Prafulla........Saturn being lagna lord placed in the fourth

and that too in a friendly house might augur well for lagna but we

need more factors like A4 and placement of venus too. We have to

analyze these from the AL too. Saturn aspecting its lagna is again

good for the lagna. One more thing is lagna lord placed in the

fourth is good but since it is a natural malefic it might give mixed

results like mother being a strict disciplinarian or the native

brooding all the time and so on.

regards

Aru

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Arvinda ji

>

> I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th lord in lagna. It

makes the native focussing on domestic issues. How about kumbha

lagna shani in 4th house? Will the shani (though natural malefic

planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) deny domestic comforts and

happiness. Here shani will aspect the lagna as well !!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>

> >

> > aru_dulla

> > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on

happiness.

> > Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of

unhappiness

> > in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in

a

> > way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

> > perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in

lagna

> > or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will

always

> > be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in

the

> > fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

> >

> > regards

> > Aru

> >

> > , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@>

wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Samir,

> >> It is alright if it was a typo.

> >> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house

> > giving

> >> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

> > question I

> >> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

> >> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of

Saturn

> >> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

> > general

> >> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

> > Saturn's

> >> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the

case

> > of

> >> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

> >> Regards

> >> Pran Razdan

> >>

> >> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

> > wrote:

> >>>

> >>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>

> >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>

> >>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> >>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> >>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> >>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> >>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> >>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> >>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> >>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> >>> to another aspect of the chart.

> >>>

> >>> I do not agree that retrogression simply

> >>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> >>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> >>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

> > that.

> >>>

> >>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> >>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> >>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> >>> makes many statements in many chapters that are

> >>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> >>>

> >>> Best wishes,

> >>>

> >>> Samir

> >>>

> >>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> >>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> >>>>

> >>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am

astonished

> > to

> >>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten

years

> > of

> >>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence

can

> > be

> >>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

> > many of

> >>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> >>>>

> >>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of

not

> > one

> >>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general

> > reading

> >>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this

answer

> >>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

> > please

> >>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> >>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont

mind.

> >>>>

> >>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

> > shaloka you

> >>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

> > scriptures

> >>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

> > general

> >>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets.

> > For

> >>> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> >>>>

> >>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

> > retrogression

> >>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which

> > we are

> >>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all

> > the

> >>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> >>> >Regards,

> >>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>

> >>> >, Samir Shah

> > <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> >>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> >>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> >>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> >>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> >>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> >>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> >>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

> > otherwise

> >> produce.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> >>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> >>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> >>>>>

> >>>>> which translates to:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> >>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Samir

> >>>>>

> >>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>> >, Samir Shah

> >> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>> >Dear Samir,

> >>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

> > which is

> >>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

> > career

> >>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

> > strong

> >> sat in

> >>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more

> > similar

> >>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

> >>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

> > dasa

> >> was the

> >>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

> > cars and

> >>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

> > Rahu in the

> >>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

> > away.

> >> Jupiter

> >>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

> >> Obviously

> >>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

> > everything.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

> > scriptures

> >> donot

> >>>>> >mention anything about it.

> >>>>> >Regards

> >>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> >>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> >>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> >>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> >>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> >>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> >>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> >>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> >>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> >>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

> >>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

> >>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Samir

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen"

> >> <visti@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

> >>>>>>> >Namaskaar.

> >>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

> > all

> >>> >scriptures

> >>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

> > good

> >> results,

> >>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

> >> Scorpio and

> >>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

> > etc. It

> >>> >looks the

> >>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

> > several

> >>> >charts but

> >>>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

> >>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> >>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

> > marriage,

> >>> >deep in

> >>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

> > the

> >>> >swakhetri

> >>>>>>> >Saturn.

> >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

> > fourth

> >> lord in

> >>>>> >fourth

> >>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

> > causes

> >> increased

> >>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

> > mercury in

> >>> >fourth

> >>>>>>> >will make

> >>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

> > around due

> >>> >to its

> >>>>>>> >rajasic

> >>>>>>>>> traits.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> >[] On

> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

> > (jupiter

> >>>>> >exalted in 4th

> >>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

> > purusha

> >> chart)?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

> > can help

> >>> >make the

> >>>>>>> >world

> >>>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%

> > 40srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> >>>>>>>>>> @ <%

> > 40>

> >>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> >> Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

> > in the

> >>> >twelfth,

> >>>>>>> >it will

> >>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

> > happy

> >> marital

> >>>>>>> >life, etc.

> >>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

> > ensures

> >> mental

> >>>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

> >>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

> > clothes

> >>> >as the

> >>>>>>> >native

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

> > imagine if

> >>> >that

> >>>>>>> >planet is

> >>>>>>>>>> afflicted...

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >>> >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> @

> >> <%40>

> >>>>>>>>> [@

> >>>>>>>>> <%40>

> > ]

> >>>>>>>>>> On

> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

> >>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

> >>>>>>>>>> @ <%

> > 40>

> >>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

> > guidance

> >>> >always

> >>>>>>> >helped

> >>>>>>>>>> me

> >>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can

> >> understand each

> >>>>>>> >factor you

> >>>>>>>>>> explained to me.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we

> > should

> >>> >conclude

> >>>>>>> >if 4th

> >>>>>>>>>> lord

> >>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

> >>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

> > with

> >> all his

> >>>>>>> >deeds...or

> >>>>>>>>>> karma

> >>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

> > never

> >>> >been able

> >>>>>>> >to be

> >>>>>>>>>> satisfied.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

> >> whatever he

> >>>>> >achieves

> >>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th

> > house.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Tarun

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

> > fourth

> >>> >house,

> >>>>>>> >and the

> >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

> > the fourth

> >>> >house,

> >>>>>>> >being

> >>>>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our

> > happiness

> >>> >increases

> >>>>>>> >and our

> >>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

> > the

> >> fifth

> >>>>> >from the

> >>>>>>>>>> fourth,

> >>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

> > in the

> >>> >body due

> >>>>>>> >to weak

> >>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

> > away.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

> > and

> >> this is

> >>>>> >seen from

> >>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

> > planets

> >> placed

> >>>>> >in the

> >>>>>>>>>> twelfth

> >>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

> > twelfth

> >>> >house

> >>>>>>>>>> auspicious

> >>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

> > meditate

> >> on the

> >>>>> >sanjivani

> >>>>>>>>>> beeja

> >>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

> >> mantra: Om

> >>>>>>> >Joom Sah,

> >>>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of

> > sadashiva

> >>> >beeja; haum.

> >>>>>>> >Hence:

> >>>>>>>>>> Om

> >>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

> > health,

> >>>>>>> >recooperation,

> >>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally

> >> opening the

> >>>>> >third eye

> >>>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >>> >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

> >>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

> > Ashram.

> >>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

> >> Krishna'

> >>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

> > chart

> >>>>> >reading today

> >>>>>>> >

July 9, 2006

Dear Arvinda

In your analogy, saturn in any house will harm it..no matter if he is lagna lord, yoga graha or functional benefic. I do not agree with it.

Ofcourse, there may be other factors favouring / troubling the significations.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>

> aru_dulla

> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:16:22 -0000

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>

> Dear Prafulla........Saturn being lagna lord placed in the fourth

> and that too in a friendly house might augur well for lagna but we

> need more factors like A4 and placement of venus too. We have to

> analyze these from the AL too. Saturn aspecting its lagna is again

> good for the lagna. One more thing is lagna lord placed in the

> fourth is good but since it is a natural malefic it might give mixed

> results like mother being a strict disciplinarian or the native

> brooding all the time and so on.

>

> regards

> Aru

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Arvinda ji

>>

>> I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th lord in lagna. It

> makes the native focussing on domestic issues. How about kumbha

> lagna shani in 4th house? Will the shani (though natural malefic

> planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) deny domestic comforts and

> happiness. Here shani will aspect the lagna as well !!

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>>

>>>

>>> aru_dulla

>>> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000

>>>

>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

>>>

>>> Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on

> happiness.

>>> Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of

> unhappiness

>>> in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in

> a

>>> way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

>>> perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in

> lagna

>>> or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will

> always

>>> be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in

> the

>>> fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

>>>

>>> regards

>>> Aru

>>>

>>> , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@>

> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Samir,

>>>> It is alright if it was a typo.

>>>> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house

>>> giving

>>>> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

>>> question I

>>>> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

>>>> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of

> Saturn

>>>> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

>>> general

>>>> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

>>> Saturn's

>>>> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the

> case

>>> of

>>>> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

>>>> Regards

>>>> Pran Razdan

>>>>

>>>> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> || hare rÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ma kÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½na ||

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

>>>>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

>>>>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

>>>>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

>>>>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

>>>>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

>>>>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

>>>>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

>>>>> to another aspect of the chart.

>>>>>

>>>>> I do not agree that retrogression simply

>>>>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

>>>>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

>>>>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

>>> that.

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

>>>>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

>>>>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

>>>>> makes many statements in many chapters that are

>>>>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>

>>>>> Samir

>>>>>

>>>>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

>>>>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am

> astonished

>>> to

>>>>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten

> years

>>> of

>>>>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence

> can

>>> be

>>>>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

>>> many of

>>>>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of

> not

>>> one

>>>>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general

>>> reading

>>>>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this

> answer

>>>>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

>>> please

>>>>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

>>>>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont

> mind.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

>>> shaloka you

>>>>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

>>> scriptures

>>>>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

>>> general

>>>>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets.

>>> For

>>>>> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

>>>>>>

>>>>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

>>> retrogression

>>>>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which

>>> we are

>>>>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all

>>> the

>>>>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

>>>>> >Regards,

>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>

>>>>> >, Samir Shah

>>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> || hare rÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ma kÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½na ||

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

>>>>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

>>>>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

>>>>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

>>>>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

>>>>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

>>>>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

>>>>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

>>> otherwise

>>>> produce.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

>>>>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

>>>>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> which translates to:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

>>>>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Samir

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

>>>>>>> >, Samir Shah

>>>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >Dear Samir,

>>>>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

>>> which is

>>>>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

>>> career

>>>>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

>>> strong

>>>> sat in

>>>>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more

>>> similar

>>>>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

>>>>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

>>> dasa

>>>> was the

>>>>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

>>> cars and

>>>>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

>>> Rahu in the

>>>>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

>>> away.

>>>> Jupiter

>>>>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

>>>> Obviously

>>>>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

>>> everything.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

>>> scriptures

>>>> donot

>>>>>>> >mention anything about it.

>>>>>>> >Regards

>>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> || hare rÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ma kÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½na ||

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

>>>>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

>>>>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

>>>>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

>>>>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

>>>>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

>>>>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

>>>>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

>>>>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

>>>>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

>>>>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

>>>>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Samir

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

>>>>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen"

>>>> <visti@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

>>>>>>>>> >Namaskaar.

>>>>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

>>> all

>>>>> >scriptures

>>>>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

>>> good

>>>> results,

>>>>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

>>>> Scorpio and

>>>>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

>>> etc. It

>>>>> >looks the

>>>>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

>>> several

>>>>> >charts but

>>>>>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

>>>>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

>>>>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

>>> marriage,

>>>>> >deep in

>>>>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

>>> the

>>>>> >swakhetri

>>>>>>>>> >Saturn.

>>>>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

>>> fourth

>>>> lord in

>>>>>>> >fourth

>>>>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

>>> causes

>>>> increased

>>>>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

>>> mercury in

>>>>> >fourth

>>>>>>>>> >will make

>>>>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

>>> around due

>>>>> >to its

>>>>>>>>> >rajasic

>>>>>>>>>>> traits.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> >[] On

>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>>> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

>>> (jupiter

>>>>>>> >exalted in 4th

>>>>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

>>> purusha

>>>> chart)?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

>>> can help

>>>>> >make the

>>>>>>>>> >world

>>>>>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%

>>> 40srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

>>>>>>>>>>>> @ <%

>>> 40>

>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>>>> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

>>> in the

>>>>> >twelfth,

>>>>>>>>> >it will

>>>>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

>>> happy

>>>> marital

>>>>>>>>> >life, etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

>>> ensures

>>>> mental

>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

>>> clothes

>>>>> >as the

>>>>>>>>> >native

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

>>> imagine if

>>>>> >that

>>>>>>>>> >planet is

>>>>>>>>>>>> afflicted...

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

>>>>> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> @

>>>> <%40>

>>>>>>>>>>> [@

>>>>>>>>>>> <%40>

>>> ]

>>>>>>>>>>>> On

>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

>>>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

>>>>>>>>>>>> @ <%

>>> 40>

>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

>>> Satisfaction

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

>>> guidance

>>>>> >always

>>>>>>>>> >helped

>>>>>>>>>>>> me

>>>>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can

>>>> understand each

>>>>>>>>> >factor you

>>>>>>>>>>>> explained to me.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we

>>> should

>>>>> >conclude

>>>>>>>>> >if 4th

>>>>>>>>>>>> lord

>>>>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

>>>>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

>>> with

>>>> all his

>>>>>>>>> >deeds...or

>>>>>>>>>>>> karma

>>>>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

>>> never

>>>>> >been able

>>>>>>>>> >to be

>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

>>>> whatever he

>>>>>>> >achieves

>>>>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th

>>> house.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Tarun

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

>>> fourth

>>>>> >house,

>>>>>>>>> >and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

>>> the fourth

>>>>> >house,

>>>>>>>>> >being

>>>>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our

>>> happiness

>>>>> >increases

>>>>>>>>> >and our

>>>>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

>>> the

>>>> fifth

>>>>>>> >from the

>>>>>>>>>>>> fourth,

>>>>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

>>> in the

>>>>> >body due

>>>>>>>>> >to weak

>>>>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

>>> away.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

>>> and

>>>> this is

>>>>>>> >seen from

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

>>> planets

>>>> placed

>>>>>>> >in the

>>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth

>>>>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

>>> twelfth

>>>>> >house

>>>>>>>>>>>> auspicious

>>>>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

>>> meditate

>>>> on the

>>>>>>> >sanjivani

>>>>>>>>>>>> beeja

>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

>>>> mantra: Om

>>>>>>>>> >Joom Sah,

>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of

>>> sadashiva

>>>>> >beeja; haum.

>>>>>>>>> >Hence:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Om

>>>>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

>>> health,

>>>>>>>>> >recooperation,

>>>>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally

>>>> opening the

>>>>>>> >third eye

>>>>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

>>>>> >http://srigaruda.

>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ***

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> _____

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

>>>>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

>>> Ashram.

>>>>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

>>>> Krishna'

>>>>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>>>>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

>>>>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

>>>>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

>>> chart

>>>>>>> >reading today

>>>>>>>>> >

July 10, 2006

Dear Prafulla.......what I said was saturn as a benefic(since he is

the lagna lord) will obviously give the benefits but since it is a

natural malefic it will have its own negative effects also. So, the

result is mixed. Saturn is happiest in the trik sthanas. That is why

it gives VRY when is debilitated and placed in a dusthanas

eventhough it owns kendras and trines. As a lagna lord placed in the

fourth house in a kendra it will be comfortable giving good health

and good education etc,. But due to its natural maleficience it will

make you melancholic at times.

regards

Aru

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Arvinda

>

> In your analogy, saturn in any house will harm it..no matter if he

is lagna lord, yoga graha or functional benefic. I do not agree with

it.

>

> Ofcourse, there may be other factors favouring / troubling the

significations.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>

> >

> > aru_dulla

> > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:16:22 -0000

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > Dear Prafulla........Saturn being lagna lord placed in the fourth

> > and that too in a friendly house might augur well for lagna but

we

> > need more factors like A4 and placement of venus too. We have to

> > analyze these from the AL too. Saturn aspecting its lagna is

again

> > good for the lagna. One more thing is lagna lord placed in the

> > fourth is good but since it is a natural malefic it might give

mixed

> > results like mother being a strict disciplinarian or the native

> > brooding all the time and so on.

> >

> > regards

> > Aru

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Arvinda ji

> >>

> >> I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th lord in lagna.

It

> > makes the native focussing on domestic issues. How about kumbha

> > lagna shani in 4th house? Will the shani (though natural malefic

> > planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna) deny domestic comforts and

> > happiness. Here shani will aspect the lagna as well !!

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

> >>

> >>>

> >>> aru_dulla@

> >>> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000

> >>>

> >>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >>>

> >>> Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on

> > happiness.

> >>> Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of

> > unhappiness

> >>> in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and

in

> > a

> >>> way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

> >>> perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in

> > lagna

> >>> or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will

> > always

> >>> be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in

> > the

> >>> fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

> >>>

> >>> regards

> >>> Aru

> >>>

> >>> , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@>

> > wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Samir,

> >>>> It is alright if it was a typo.

> >>>> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own

house

> >>> giving

> >>>> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

> >>> question I

> >>>> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

> >>>> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of

> > Saturn

> >>>> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

> >>> general

> >>>> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

> >>> Saturn's

> >>>> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the

> > case

> >>> of

> >>>> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

> >>>> Regards

> >>>> Pran Razdan

> >>>>

> >>>> , Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> || hare rÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ma kÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½na ||

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> >>>>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> >>>>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> >>>>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> >>>>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> >>>>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> >>>>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> >>>>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> >>>>> to another aspect of the chart.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I do not agree that retrogression simply

> >>>>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> >>>>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> >>>>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

> >>> that.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> >>>>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> >>>>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> >>>>> makes many statements in many chapters that are

> >>>>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Samir

> >>>>>

> >>>>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am

> > astonished

> >>> to

> >>>>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten

> > years

> >>> of

> >>>>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence

> > can

> >>> be

> >>>>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

> >>> many of

> >>>>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of

> > not

> >>> one

> >>>>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a

general

> >>> reading

> >>>>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this

> > answer

> >>>>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

> >>> please

> >>>>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> >>>>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont

> > mind.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

> >>> shaloka you

> >>>>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

> >>> scriptures

> >>>>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

> >>> general

> >>>>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these

planets.

> >>> For

> >>>>> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

> >>> retrogression

> >>>>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect

which

> >>> we are

> >>>>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have

all

> >>> the

> >>>>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> >>>>> >Regards,

> >>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >, Samir Shah

> >>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> || hare rÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ma kÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½na ||

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> >>>>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> >>>>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> >>>>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> >>>>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> >>>>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> >>>>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> >>>>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

> >>> otherwise

> >>>> produce.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> >>>>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> >>>>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> which translates to:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> >>>>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Samir

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>>>> >, Samir Shah

> >>>> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> >Dear Samir,

> >>>>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

> >>> which is

> >>>>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

> >>> career

> >>>>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

> >>> strong

> >>>> sat in

> >>>>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One

more

> >>> similar

> >>>>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

> >>>>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

> >>> dasa

> >>>> was the

> >>>>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

> >>> cars and

> >>>>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

> >>> Rahu in the

> >>>>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

> >>> away.

> >>>> Jupiter

> >>>>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn

here.

> >>>> Obviously

> >>>>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

> >>> everything.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

> >>> scriptures

> >>>> donot

> >>>>>>> >mention anything about it.

> >>>>>>> >Regards

> >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> || hare rÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ma kÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½na ||

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> >>>>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> >>>>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> >>>>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> >>>>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> >>>>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> >>>>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> >>>>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> >>>>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> >>>>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

> >>>>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

> >>>>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Samir

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen"

> >>>> <visti@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

> >>>>>>>>> >Namaskaar.

> >>>>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

> >>> all

> >>>>> >scriptures

> >>>>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

> >>> good

> >>>> results,

> >>>>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

> >>>> Scorpio and

> >>>>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

> >>> etc. It

> >>>>> >looks the

> >>>>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

> >>> several

> >>>>> >charts but

> >>>>>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

> >>>>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> >>>>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

> >>> marriage,

> >>>>> >deep in

> >>>>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

> >>> the

> >>>>> >swakhetri

> >>>>>>>>> >Saturn.

> >>>>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

> >>> fourth

> >>>> lord in

> >>>>>>> >fourth

> >>>>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

> >>> causes

> >>>> increased

> >>>>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

> >>> mercury in

> >>>>> >fourth

> >>>>>>>>> >will make

> >>>>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

> >>> around due

> >>>>> >to its

> >>>>>>>>> >rajasic

> >>>>>>>>>>> traits.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> >[] On

> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> >>> Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

> >>> (jupiter

> >>>>>>> >exalted in 4th

> >>>>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

> >>> purusha

> >>>> chart)?

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

> >>> can help

> >>>>> >make the

> >>>>>>>>> >world

> >>>>>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%

> >>> 40srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> >>>>>>>>>>>> @ <%

> >>> 40>

> >>>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> >>>> Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

> >>> in the

> >>>>> >twelfth,

> >>>>>>>>> >it will

> >>>>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

> >>> happy

> >>>> marital

> >>>>>>>>> >life, etc.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

> >>> ensures

> >>>> mental

> >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

> >>> clothes

> >>>>> >as the

> >>>>>>>>> >native

> >>>>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

> >>> imagine if

> >>>>> >that

> >>>>>>>>> >planet is

> >>>>>>>>>>>> afflicted...

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >>>>> >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> @

> >>>> <%40>

> >>>>>>>>>>> [@

> >>>>>>>>>>> <%40>

> >>> ]

> >>>>>>>>>>>> On

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

> >>>>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

> >>>>>>>>>>>> @ <%

> >>> 40>

> >>>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> >>> Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

> >>> guidance

> >>>>> >always

> >>>>>>>>> >helped

> >>>>>>>>>>>> me

> >>>>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can

> >>>> understand each

> >>>>>>>>> >factor you

> >>>>>>>>>>>> explained to me.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we

> >>> should

> >>>>> >conclude

> >>>>>>>>> >if 4th

> >>>>>>>>>>>> lord

> >>>>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

> >>>>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

> >>> with

> >>>> all his

> >>>>>>>>> >deeds...or

> >>>>>>>>>>>> karma

> >>>>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

> >>> never

> >>>>> >been able

> >>>>>>>>> >to be

> >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

> >>>> whatever he

> >>>>>>> >achieves

> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th

> >>> house.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tarun

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

> >>> fourth

> >>>>> >house,

> >>>>>>>>> >and the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

> >>> the fourth

> >>>>> >house,

> >>>>>>>>> >being

> >>>>>>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our

> >>> happiness

> >>>>> >increases

> >>>>>>>>> >and our

> >>>>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

> >>> the

> >>>> fifth

> >>>>>>> >from the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> fourth,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

> >>> in the

> >>>>> >body due

> >>>>>>>>> >to weak

> >>>>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

> >>> away.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

> >>> and

> >>>> this is

> >>>>>>> >seen from

> >>>>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

> >>> planets

> >>>> placed

> >>>>>>> >in the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> twelfth

> >>>>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

> >>> twelfth

> >>>>> >house

> >>>>>>>>>>>> auspicious

> >>>>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

> >>> meditate

> >>>> on the

> >>>>>>> >sanjivani

> >>>>>>>>>>>> beeja

> >>>>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

> >>>> mantra: Om

> >>>>>>>>> >Joom Sah,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of

> >>> sadashiva

> >>>>> >beeja; haum.

> >>>>>>>>> >Hence:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Om

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

> >>> health,

> >>>>>>>>> >recooperation,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally

> >>>> opening the

> >>>>>>> >third eye

> >>>>>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >>>>> >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

> >>>>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

> >>> Ashram.

> >>>>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

> >>>> Krishna'

> >>>>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >>>>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >>>>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >>>>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

> >>> chart

> >>>>>>> >reading today

> >>>>>>>>> >

July 10, 2006

|| hare räma kåñna ||

Dear Prafulla and Aru, Namaskar

The classics (Saravali does this in detail) give

the effects of the planets in various houses

without considering lordships. There is a good

basis for this. Let's try this approach: what

are the Karakas of the 4th house? Moon (Mother,

emotions, peace of mind), Mercury (education),

Mars (land), Ketu (home and buildings), Venus

(vehicles, luxuries), Jupiter (sukha).

Okay, now lets look at the relationship of these

planets with Saturn. Saturn is inimical to Mars

and the Moon. Thus we can infer that it will not

support these karakatwas. It is friendly,

however, to Mercury and Venus, and will therefore help these karakatwas.

So Saturn in the 4th will not be good for the

mother, and for the ownership of land. It will

give good education, though the manner in which

is does so is through strict discipline. It is

actually good for luxuries and

vehicles! However, this doesn't guarantee

happiness from the same - why? Because Jupiter

is the karaka for sukha, and Saturn debilitates

Jupiter (Moon's karakatwa is damaged also).

Next, we can also consider the argalas of Saturn

on other houses. In the 4th, Saturn will have

argala on Lagna, the 3rd house and the 6th

house. If we look at the karakas of these

houses, we can in the same manner see what it

will support and what it will oppose in each of

thoses houses. So, Saturn in the 4th isn't good

for Lagna either (Saturn is inimical to the Sun).

All this we can say before looking at

lordships. Lordships will change this somewhat -

so if Saturn were to lord the 4th house, then it

would try to protect that house. But this

doesn't change the manner in which Shani will act.

Prafulla, what do you mean by "Shani is karaka for kumbha lagna?"

Best wishes,

Samir

At 08:08 09/07/2006, you wrote:

>Dear Arvinda ji

>

>I agree with the role of LL in 4th house and 4th

>lord in lagna. It makes the native focussing on

>domestic issues. How about kumbha lagna shani in

>4th house? Will the shani (though natural

>malefic planet, but karaka for kumbha lagna)

>deny domestic comforts and happiness. Here shani

>will aspect the lagna as well !!

>

>regards / Prafulla Gang

>

>Let not the sands of time get in your lunch.

>

> >

> > aru_dulla

> > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:55:50 -0000

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental Satisfaction

> >

> > Dear Pran........let me share a few thoughts of mine on happiness.

> > Any malefic in the fourth house can cause some amount of unhappiness

> > in that person's life as the fourth house represents home and in a

> > way happiness. But this again should be analysed from the

> > perspective of A4 also. If the lord of the fourth house is in lagna

> > or if the lagna lord is in fourth house then the person will always

> > be happy. I have seen this to be true in many cases. Saturn in the

> > fourth house will make the person very melancholic!

> >

> > regards

> > Aru

> >

> > , "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Samir,

> >> It is alright if it was a typo.

> >> I have seen some more charts with 4th house saturn in own house

> > giving

> >> them problems on account of happiness in life. This is the

> > question I

> >> had raised in my earlier mail to Visti.

> >> In answer to this, I have a feeling that it is the aspect of Saturn

> >> which it casts on the first house that is responsible for the

> > general

> >> unhappiness problems in such natives. So the saying that says

> > Saturn's

> >> aspect is more harmful than its placement and reverse in the case

> > of

> >> Jupiter looks to me quite relevant here.

> >> Regards

> >> Pran Razdan

> >>

> >> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

> > wrote:

> >>>

> >>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>

> >>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>

> >>> Sorry, it was a typo! I meant we certainly

> >>> cannot ignore the effects of Shani. Hence I was

> >>> agreeing with you. As regards what the effects

> >>> are, I freely admit that I am a student and in

> >>> the process of learning - and in that capacity I

> >>> am greatly limited. I was only sharing what I

> >>> knew - and suggesting that the effects you

> >>> mentioned regarding lack of cars etc. were linked

> >>> to another aspect of the chart.

> >>>

> >>> I do not agree that retrogression simply

> >>> increases or decreases the effects. Doesn't BPHS

> >>> say that a retrograde benefic in a dusthana can

> >>> cause balarista? Surely, then, there must be more to it than

> > that.

> >>>

> >>> Yes, the shloka I quoted was from the

> >>> Dasaadhyaaya of BPHS. But does that mean we

> >>> ignore it for everything except dasas? Parasara

> >>> makes many statements in many chapters that are

> >>> equally applicable elsewhere - and he doesn't repeat himself.

> >>>

> >>> Best wishes,

> >>>

> >>> Samir

> >>>

> >>> At 08:35 04/07/2006, you wrote:

> >>> >Dear Samir, Namaskar.

> >>>>

> >>> >I never said that Shani can be ignored. In fact I am astonished

> > to

> >>> >hear this argument from you. Never have I heard in my ten years

> > of

> >>> >association with Astrology that a strong planet's influence can

> > be

> >>> >ignored in a chart. This may be yet another radical theory,

> > many of

> >>> >which spring up in this field from new gurus.

> >>>>

> >>> >I had a pointed question which is based on my experience of not

> > one

> >>> >but quite a few charts. You tried to answer it with a general

> > reading

> >>> >of the chart which is elementary and is ok. However this answer

> >>> >simply skirts the real question. If you donot have an answer

> > please

> >>> >say so rather than throw up a new idea or theory - theory of

> >>> >irrelevance of planets. Visti avoided the question. I dont mind.

> >>>>

> >>> >As regards Rahu and Ketu, I have not been able to find the

> > shaloka you

> >>> >have mentioned, probably it relates to Dasas. While some

> > scriptures

> >>> >have described different rasis belonging to these planets, a

> > general

> >>> >consensus has been not to allot any lordship to these planets.

> > For

> >>> >details please read Laghu Parashari.

> >>>>

> >>> >Your emphasis on retrogression is not relevant since

> > retrogression

> >>> >simply increases/decreases the effect. It is the effect which

> > we are

> >>> >talking. Sat in retro increases its effect and should have all

> > the

> >>> >more accentuated the 4th house effects which it is not.

> >>> >Regards,

> >>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>

> >>> >, Samir Shah

> > <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I agree, certainly we can ignore Shani's role in

> >>>>> this chart. But the point was, as Vistiji

> >>>>> pointed out, that when curses exist, and

> >>>>> especially in this case when the Lagnesh is

> >>>>> involved and it is in the 8th house, this will

> >>>>> tend to dominate the chart. I also mentioned

> >>>>> that Saturn is retrograde, which will in fact

> >>>>> delay or deny the results that a strong Saturn would

> > otherwise

> >> produce.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I don't understand what you mean about Rahu's

> >>>>> lordship. Below is a quote from the Dasaadhyaya of BPHS:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> vR^ishchikAdhipatI dvau cha ketubhaumau smR^itau dvija |

> >>>>> shanirAhu cha kumbhasya svAminau parikIrtito || 157||

> >>>>>

> >>>>> which translates to:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> For Scorpio Ketu and Mars, for Aquarius Saturn

> >>>>> and Rahu, should be proclaimed as lords.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Samir

> >>>>>

> >>>>> At 09:53 03/07/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>> >, Samir Shah

> >> <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>> >Dear Samir,

> >>>>> >Namaskar.You have made some general comments on the chart

> > which is

> >>>>> >fine. One can understand the native's marital problems,

> > career

> >>>>> >problems etc. but I was only interested in the effect of

> > strong

> >> sat in

> >>>>> >4th house in this as well as similar other charts. One more

> > similar

> >>>>> >chart has been given by Kumar.

> >>>>> >The native of the chart I sent earlier tells me that Rahu

> > dasa

> >> was the

> >>>>> >best period for him. He had everything; a fine house, two

> > cars and

> >>>>> >several girlfriends. This is the effect of a favourable

> > Rahu in the

> >>>>> >chart and as soon as the dasa was over, everything went

> > away.

> >> Jupiter

> >>>>> >is obviously weak and cannot help.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >So one is intrigued to know what is the role of Saturn here.

> >> Obviously

> >>>>> >it cannot be irrelevant and let other planets to do

> > everything.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>> >I am doubtful about Rahu's lordship as our ancestral

> > scriptures

> >> donot

> >>>>> >mention anything about it.

> >>>>> >Regards

> >>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> || hare rÃ¯Â¿Â½ma kÃ¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½na ||

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Pran, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Please let me share a little... Firstly, Saturn

> >>>>>>> is retrograde, which will certainly modify the

> >>>>>>> results. But, perhaps more importantly, Lagnesh

> >>>>>>> is ill placed in the 8th house forming a strong

> >>>>>>> Kalatra shaapa, as well as a daridra yoga. Since

> >>>>>>> Rahu is involved, and Rahu lords the 4th house,

> >>>>>>> it is no doubt going to cause some shocks in this

> >>>>>>> area. The UL is also in Aquarius.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Further, there is a tattva conflict with the Sun

> >>>>>>> lording both the tithi and vaara of birth. This

> >>>>>>> the 10th house also becomes troublesome.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> So all the points that you mentioned may not

> >>>>>>> necessarily be linked to Saturn's placement.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hopefully other members will add to this or

> >>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong. I hope it helps.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Samir

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> At 21:54 29/06/2006, you wrote:

> >>>>>>> >, "Visti Larsen"

> >> <visti@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>> >Dear Vistiji,

> >>>>>>> >Namaskaar.

> >>>>>>> >It has been bothering me for a long time that if almost

> > all

> >>> >scriptures

> >>>>>>> >say that any malefic planet if in its own house gives

> > good

> >> results,

> >>>>>>> >why does Saturn in 4th house lorded by itself (like in

> >> Scorpio and

> >>>>>>> >libra ascendent) give misery, absence of real estate

> > etc. It

> >>> >looks the

> >>>>>>> >principle of Swakhetra does not apply to it. I have

> > several

> >>> >charts but

> >>>>>>> >the one below is prominent.

> >>>>>>> >Aug 2, 1964 14:22 34N05,74E49

> >>>>>>> >The person is 42 years old, no house, no vehicle, no

> > marriage,

> >>> >deep in

> >>>>>>> >debts. I am sending this to rule out things other than

> > the

> >>> >swakhetri

> >>>>>>> >Saturn.

> >>>>>>> >Pran Razdan

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Happiness comes from Guna, so we cannot say that

> > fourth

> >> lord in

> >>>>> >fourth

> >>>>>>>>> invariably gives satisfaction. Saturn in fourth

> > causes

> >> increased

> >>>>>>>>> disatisfaction due to its tamasic nature, whilst

> > mercury in

> >>> >fourth

> >>>>>>> >will make

> >>>>>>>>> the person ever interested in the newest gadgets

> > around due

> >>> >to its

> >>>>>>> >rajasic

> >>>>>>>>> traits.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> >[] On

> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 20:07

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Will not 4th lord in 4th also drive satisfaction

> > (jupiter

> >>>>> >exalted in 4th

> >>>>>>>>> sign; moon is lord of 4th rashi - both in kaala

> > purusha

> >> chart)?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> If we cannot now end our differences, at least we

> > can help

> >>> >make the

> >>>>>>> >world

> >>>>>>>>> safe for diversity.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti%> 40srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0200

> >>>>>>>>>> @ <%> 40>

> >>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>>> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> >> Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Look at it logically. If a planet is well placed

> > in the

> >>> >twelfth,

> >>>>>>> >it will

> >>>>>>>>>> give shubha yoga, which gives good sleep, rest,

> > happy

> >> marital

> >>>>>>> >life, etc.

> >>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>> this planet is also fourth lord, then it also

> > ensures

> >> mental

> >>>>>>>>>> satisfaction,

> >>>>>>>>>> i.e. no need to go buy the newest car or prettiest

> > clothes

> >>> >as the

> >>>>>>> >native

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> satisfied and the desires are quelled. However,

> > imagine if

> >>> >that

> >>>>>>> >planet is

> >>>>>>>>>> afflicted...

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >>> >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> @

> >> <%40>

> >>>>>>>>> [@

> >>>>>>>>> <%40>

> > ]

> >>>>>>>>>> On

> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tarun

> >>>>>>>>>> 27 June 2006 18:02

> >>>>>>>>>> @ <%> 40>

> >>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: House Mental

> > Satisfaction

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Visti ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> i am very grateful to be replied by you.and your

> > guidance

> >>> >always

> >>>>>>> >helped

> >>>>>>>>>> me

> >>>>>>>>>> to understand the depth of astrology.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> i read the same mail many times so that i can

> >> understand each

> >>>>>>> >factor you

> >>>>>>>>>> explained to me.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Sir I have one question related to that- what we

> > should

> >>> >conclude

> >>>>>>> >if 4th

> >>>>>>>>>> lord

> >>>>>>>>>> is in 12th house

> >>>>>>>>>> shall we call it as the person will be satisfied

> > with

> >> all his

> >>>>>>> >deeds...or

> >>>>>>>>>> karma

> >>>>>>>>>> i mean if 4th lord is afflicted then the person is

> > never

> >>> >been able

> >>>>>>> >to be

> >>>>>>>>>> satisfied.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> As rahu in 12th house makes one unsatisfied with

> >> whatever he

> >>>>> >achieves

> >>>>>>>>>> because it has darken the factor related to 12th

> > house.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and best Regards

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Tarun

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> As per the informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath;

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Happiness and mental satisfaction arises from the

> > fourth

> >>> >house,

> >>>>>>> >and the

> >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house is the guiding force or 'guru' of

> > the fourth

> >>> >house,

> >>>>>>> >being

> >>>>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>> the twelfth is the ninth from the fourth.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> So with good rest, and good recooperation our

> > happiness

> >>> >increases

> >>>>>>> >and our

> >>>>>>>>>> mental satisfaction also.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Should our hapiness suffer the eighth house being

> > the

> >> fifth

> >>>>> >from the

> >>>>>>>>>> fourth,

> >>>>>>>>>> will start to suffer also and diseases will arise

> > in the

> >>> >body due

> >>>>>>> >to weak

> >>>>>>>>>> immune system... a smile a day keeps the doctor

> > away.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Finally to overcome diseases the body needs rest

> > and

> >> this is

> >>>>> >seen from

> >>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> twelfth house (fifth from the eighth) and the

> > planets

> >> placed

> >>>>> >in the

> >>>>>>>>>> twelfth

> >>>>>>>>>> are vital for the recooperation process.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> So how to solve this cycle of problems?.. make the

> > twelfth

> >>> >house

> >>>>>>>>>> auspicious

> >>>>>>>>>> offcourse! Learn to meditate, and preferably

> > meditate

> >> on the

> >>>>> >sanjivani

> >>>>>>>>>> beeja

> >>>>>>>>>> mantra: Joom. This is normally done with the kahola

> >> mantra: Om

> >>>>>>> >Joom Sah,

> >>>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> traditionally we advise the addition of

> > sadashiva

> >>> >beeja; haum.

> >>>>>>> >Hence:

> >>>>>>>>>> Om

> >>>>>>>>>> Haum Joom Sah should be meditated on for perfect

> > health,

> >>>>>>> >recooperation,

> >>>>>>>>>> washing away of sins from past life and finally

> >> opening the

> >>>>> >third eye

> >>>>>>>>>> with

> >>>>>>>>>> the help of Shiva.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Visti Larsen

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> For services and articles visit:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com>

> >>> >http://srigaruda.

> >>>>>>>>> <http://srigaruda.com> com

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ***

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> _____

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> As per informal teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> >~ om tat sat ~

> >>>>>>> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

> > Ashram.

> >>>>>>> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

> >> Krishna'

> >>>>>>> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >>>>>>> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >>>>>>> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >>>>>>> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

> > chart

> >>>>> >reading today

> >>>>>>> >

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