Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house it and Saturn Protects//

August 25, 2003

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Pradeep,

It was written by Visti sometime ago that malefics change the

environment to suit themselves and benefics like Jupiter burn their

own houses! i tend to agree with this line of thinking.

does this make sense to you and explains why Jupiter and Saturn work

contrary to what we expect.

Hope this helps.

pls do share with us your experiences.

regards

viswanadham

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.

>

> I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in

> discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in

> which

> it is placed and Saturn Protects.

>

> Here I have some queries.

>

> What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and

> harm

> or destroy.

>

> Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12

etc) -

> because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad

> (negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if

> saturn

> can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above

> statement

> loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this

> 'negative-negative' is wrong.

>

> When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test

> the

> individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and

hard

> as

> well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can

> combat

> the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and

> other

> mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

>

> But why is it trying to destroy?

>

> Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come

> into

> play while deciding on this?

>

> If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

> which

> it

> is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful.

>

> Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad)

about

> jupiter placed in ascendant.

>

> Thanks a lot

> Pradeep

August 25, 2003

Dear Vishwanadham ji

Thanks for the reply

But i have one doubt.

In that case malefics like saturn should adapt themselves to any

adverse situation and protect.Is this true always?

But why is jupiter unable to adapt? do you mean if jupiter

experiences or feel asatya or evil practices in his 'house' - he

will burn the house down in anger?

Because otherwise i feel jupiter according to its nature can take

more pain and has got lots of patience.It should be the last person

to burn his house due to difficult situations.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> It was written by Visti sometime ago that malefics change the

> environment to suit themselves and benefics like Jupiter burn

their

> own houses! i tend to agree with this line of thinking.

>

> does this make sense to you and explains why Jupiter and Saturn

work

> contrary to what we expect.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> pls do share with us your experiences.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.

> >

> > I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in

> > discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava

in

> > which

> > it is placed and Saturn Protects.

> >

> > Here I have some queries.

> >

> > What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try

and

> > harm

> > or destroy.

> >

> > Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12

> etc) -

> > because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad

> > (negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But

if

> > saturn

> > can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above

> > statement

> > loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this

> > 'negative-negative' is wrong.

> >

> > When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can

test

> > the

> > individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and

> hard

> > as

> > well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can

> > combat

> > the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience

and

> > other

> > mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

> >

> > But why is it trying to destroy?

> >

> > Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc

come

> > into

> > play while deciding on this?

> >

> > If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

> > which

> > it

> > is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful.

> >

> > Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad)

> about

> > jupiter placed in ascendant.

> >

> > Thanks a lot

> > Pradeep

August 25, 2003

Dear Pradeep,

Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in their

application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living with

highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with Jupiter

placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to Puranas that

Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than other way round,

though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got defeated and had to be

rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn usually sided with the danavas

and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati.

About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to protect. He

protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal opinions

and other worthies might have different opinions.

Chandrashekhar.

----

Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.I have seen from the archives ,where

you had participated indiscussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the

bhava in whichit is placed and Saturn Protects.Here I have some queries.What is

the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and harmor destroy.Also

i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) -because ,saturn

by nature is bad and hence bad and bad(negative,negative results in positive)

should bring good. But if saturncan protect all the houses where it is placed

,then the above statementloses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding

of this'negative-negative' is wrong.When i try to understand the nature of

jupiter - I feel it can test theindividual always on the path of life,which can

be painfull and hard aswell at times. Why is this? Is it because such an

individual can combatthe tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of

patience and othermental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right? But

why is it trying to destroy? Also doesn't other considerations like

strength,position etc come intoplay while deciding on this?If you can explain

the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of which itis trying to behave like

this, it would be helpful. Moreover i can give input on my real experiences

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August 26, 2003

Dear Vishwanadham ji

you can call me pradeep :-)

Thanks for the explanation.I feel your explanation sounds logical.

After chandrashekar jis mail, i too feel the same.

But i have to say ,there is an ambiguity when we say

jupiter 'destroys'.

I will express my views while answering to chandrashekarjis mail.

Thanks again

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> I'm inclined to think that Jupiter in the native protects the

Dharma

> at the cost of oneself (in a material sense). it is the other way

> round with Saturn viz., at any cost Saturn would like to protect

> itself. Selfless vs selfish.

>

> When we say Jupiter or Saturn, it is as if they are *in* the

native,

> rather than helping the native from *outside*. So here the native

is

> trying to protect himself as opposed to help protect Dharma.

>

> Also, natural benefics are those which protect the nature as per

Sri

> Sanjayji. So, i assume the converse is true for Natural malefics.

>

> it is also worth considering that Saturn makes one to commit sin

and

> thereafter punishes also- i remember seeing it in Sri Narasimha's

> post.

>

> Overall, these are some strings of thoughts, which you may tie

> together with the help of Jupiter in you.

>

> Many thanks for provoking the thoughts & with regards

> i remain

> viswanadham

> vedic astrology, "dream_mydreams"

> <dream_mydreams> wrote:

> > Dear Vishwanadham ji

> >

> > Thanks for the reply

> > But i have one doubt.

> >

> > In that case malefics like saturn should adapt themselves to any

> > adverse situation and protect.Is this true always?

> >

> > But why is jupiter unable to adapt? do you mean if jupiter

> > experiences or feel asatya or evil practices in his 'house' - he

> > will burn the house down in anger?

> >

> > Because otherwise i feel jupiter according to its nature can take

> > more pain and has got lots of patience.It should be the last

person

> > to burn his house due to difficult situations.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

> > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > It was written by Visti sometime ago that malefics change the

> > > environment to suit themselves and benefics like Jupiter burn

> > their

> > > own houses! i tend to agree with this line of thinking.

> > >

> > > does this make sense to you and explains why Jupiter and Saturn

> > work

> > > contrary to what we expect.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > pls do share with us your experiences.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > viswanadham

> > >

August 26, 2003

Dear Chandrashekar ji

I now understand why Jupiter placement can result in difficult

outcomes.

Do you mean to say if jupiter is placed in puthrasthana ,then the

individuals can be intelligent but their children will suffer.This is

just to make sure, if i have understood your example.

But i have one slight difference in opinion regarding the statement -

'Jupiter destroys or harms'.

This statement makes us puzzled about the meaning vis-a-vis the

nature of Jupiter.

Because when we say it destroys - it means jupiter's action was

intented towards destruction.But that is not the case.Jupiter tends

to stick to principles even during adverse situations.This behaviour

makes him unable to protect.But his intention was never to destroy

nor the behaviour deserves destruction.

But if you take another example

When Ravana abducted Sita ,his behaviour deserved destruction.

Though both the behaviours resulted(ends) in the destruction of

the 'houses',the means are not the same.

Hence i believe if we say Jupiter is unable to protect the house in

which it is placed,during all circumstances, it becomes less ambigue -

vis-a-vis its nature,because destruction was never intended.

Though the end result is same i feel there is a difference in the

inherent meaning.

Kindly correct me if i am wrong.

Also should one learn something from this lesson - to live in Kali

Yuga!

Thanks and respect

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

> Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true

in their

> application. Having said that, have you observed that the children

living

> with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens

with

> Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go

to

> Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often

than

> other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably

got

> defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc.

Saturn

> usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their

Senapati.

> About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to

protect.

> He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my

personal

> opinions and other worthies might have different opinions.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> ----

>

> vedic astrology

> Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying

the house

> it and Saturn Protects//

>

> Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.

>

> I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in

> discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in

> which

> it is placed and Saturn Protects.

>

> Here I have some queries.

>

> What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and

> harm

> or destroy.

>

> Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12

etc) -

> because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad

> (negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if

> saturn

> can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above

> statement

> loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this

> 'negative-negative' is wrong.

>

> When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test

> the

> individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and

hard

> as

> well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can

> combat

> the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and

> other

> mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

>

> But why is it trying to destroy?

>

> Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come

> into

> play while deciding on this?

>

> If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

> which

> it

> is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful.

>

> Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad)

about

> jupiter placed in ascendant.

>

> Thanks a lot

> Pradeep

>

> Sponsor

>

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>

August 26, 2003

Chandrashekharji Namste

As usual you explained the things very lucidly but just slight doubt.

It is said many times that Guru is Dharma (not religion) and it is as

well said that Guru tries to uphold Dharma but usually fails. Hence

Dharma fails. But many say Dharma never fails. So Guru should also

never fail. Then why it fails with respect to house? Does MAYA play

any role in this?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

AmolMAndar

August 26, 2003

Dear Amolmandar,

I will give you an example outside astrology and religion.Guru represents

Minister or the teacher . Now teacher tells that which is right. Students many

a times feel unconfortable in the presence of the Teacher as he monitors their

behaviour, specially if in their youth they want to do something which the Guru

forbids being bad.Simialr is the case with the king whose ministers forbids him

from doing something that is against RajDharma. Now imagine House where Jupiter

is posited being the student/King and Jupiter being the Teacher. The results for

the house would be clear.

Of course , as I said earlier this is only my way at looking at it in order to

understand why this happens, and the Sages' principles are given to us as such

without the reasons behind them. We have to apply our Viveka to fathom the

logic behind it.Other worthies might hold different views.

Hope this helps understand the concept.

Chandrashekhar.

amolmandar [amolmandar ]Sent:

Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:39 PMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house it and

Saturn Protects//Chandrashekharji NamsteAs usual you explained the things very

lucidly but just slight doubt. It is said many times that Guru is Dharma (not

religion) and it is as well said that Guru tries to uphold Dharma but usually

fails. Hence Dharma fails. But many say Dharma never fails. So Guru should also

never fail. Then why it fails with respect to house? Does MAYA play any role in

this?Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.AmolMAndarArchives:

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August 26, 2003

Dear Pradeep,

The confusion arises because of the fact that some Sanskrita words loose their

import when translated to English. The shloka does not say Damage or Harm. It

says"Bhrashta". The word has different conotations depending on the context.

Like Sthanabhrashta would be something like loosing one's place whereas

Sheelabhrashta would mean one whose moral are loose. The same when said to be

done by other would mean harming or damaging other's modesty.

Limitations of the language does sometimes pose a problem in conveyance of the

corect meaning of sanskrita words. This is why I have said many a times that

Astrology is better understood if one learns it in Sanskrit or Sanskrit based

Indian languages.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

vijayadas_pradeep

[vijayadas_pradeep ]Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:38 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Why is // Jupiter

capable of destroying the house it and Saturn Protects//Dear Chandrashekar jiI

now understand why Jupiter placement can result in difficult outcomes.Do you

mean to say if jupiter is placed in puthrasthana ,then the individuals can be

intelligent but their children will suffer.This is just to make sure, if i have

understood your example.But i have one slight difference in opinion regarding

the statement -'Jupiter destroys or harms'.This statement makes us puzzled

about the meaning vis-a-vis the nature of Jupiter.Because when we say it

destroys - it means jupiter's action was intented towards destruction.But that

is not the case.Jupiter tends to stick to principles even during adverse

situations.This behaviour makes him unable to protect.But his intention was

never to destroy nor the behaviour deserves destruction.But if you take another

exampleWhen Ravana abducted Sita ,his behaviour deserved destruction.Though both

the behaviours resulted(ends) in the destruction of the 'houses',the means are

not the same.Hence i believe if we say Jupiter is unable to protect the house

in which it is placed,during all circumstances, it becomes less ambigue

-vis-a-vis its nature,because destruction was never intended.Though the end

result is same i feel there is a difference in the inherent meaning.Kindly

correct me if i am wrong.Also should one learn something from this lesson - to

live in Kali Yuga!Thanks and respectPradeep--- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:>

Dear Pradeep,> Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be

true in their> application. Having said that, have you observed that the

children living> with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what

happens with> Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to

go to> Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than>

other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got> defeated

and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn> usually sided with

the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati.> About Saturn being good

in bad houses has to do with his ability to protect.> He protects one from bad

indications of that house. These are my personal> opinions and other worthies

might have different opinions.> Chandrashekhar.> > -------Original

Message-------> > vedic astrology> Monday, August

25, 2003 08:17:02 PM> vedic astrology> Subject:

[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house> it and

Saturn Protects//> > Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.> > I have seen

from the archives ,where you had participated in> discussions,that Jupiter has

the capacity to destroy the bhava in > which> it is placed and Saturn

Protects.> > Here I have some queries.> > What is the reason for a benevolent

planet like jupiter to try and > harm> or destroy.> > Also i have read that

saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) -> because ,saturn by nature is

bad and hence bad and bad> (negative,negative results in positive) should bring

good. But if > saturn> can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the

above > statement> loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of

this> 'negative-negative' is wrong.> > When i try to understand the nature of

jupiter - I feel it can test > the> individual always on the path of life,which

can be painfull and hard > as> well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an

individual can > combat> the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of

patience and > other> mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

> > But why is it trying to destroy? > > Also doesn't other considerations like

strength,position etc come > into> play while deciding on this?> > If you can

explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of > which > it> is trying to

behave like this, it would be helpful. > > Moreover i can give input on my real

experiences (good and bad) about> jupiter placed in ascendant.> > Thanks a lot

> Pradeep> > > > Sponsor> > > > Archives:

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Jyotishas,

Regarding Jupiter in various houses and signs below is something

from Saaraavalli. It seems that Jupiter enhances the both the Sign

qualities and house qualities.

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

Ch. 27. Effects of Jupiter in Various Signs

1-2. JUPITER IN ARIES. If Jupiter is posited in Aries at birth, one

will be argumentative in disposition, will acquire precious stones

and ornaments out of his efforts, will be endowed with strength, sons

and wealth, will have eminent and famous profession, be splendourous,

will have many enemies, much expenses and an injured body and will

confer fierce and cruel punishments.

3-4. Should Jupiter be in Taurus, one will be endowed with a broad

body, be corpulent, will honour Brahmins and Gods, be splendourous,

fortunate, attached to his wife, be endowed with good appearance,

profession, cows and abundant wealth; will possess good articles and

ornaments, be distinguished in speech, intelligence and skill; will

have political / judicial wisdom, be modest, be endowed with medical

accomplishments and be skillful in experiments.

5-6. Should Jupiter be in Gemini, the native will be affluent,

scholarly, proficient, will possess attractive eyes, be eloquent,

courteous, skillful, virtuous, will honour elders and relatives, will

be able to utter "bejeweled" words (be literally rich in words),

which are benevolent in nature, be devoted to his duties and be a

good poet.

7-8. If Jupiter be in Cancer at birth, the native will be a scholar,

be beautiful, be highly learned, charitable, good-natured, be very

strong, be famous, will possess abundant grains and riches, be

endowed with truth and penance, will have long-living sons, be

honoured by all, will be a king, will have a distinguished profession

and will be attached to his friends.

9-10. Should Jupiter be in Leo at the time of birth, the native will

be lastingly inimical, be strong, courageous, will show abundant

friendship, be learned, rich, will have eminent relatives, be a king,

will have heroism akin to that of a king, will be recognizable in an

assembly, will destroy the entire band of his enemies, will possess a

strong physique and will live in hills, fortresses, forests and

temples.

11-12. If Jupiter occupies Virgo at birth, one will be a scholar, be

virtuous, be skillful in his work, be fond of scents, robes and

flowers, will firmly gain in undertakings, will have rich experience

in Śāstras and fine arts, be affluent, charitable, pure-hearted,

skillful and wonderfully learned.

13-14. If Jupiter occupies Libra at birth, one will be a scholar,

will have many sons, be endowed with foreign assignments, will be

very affluent, interested in ornaments, modest, will earn money

through dance and drama, be pleasing in appearance, be splendourous,

learned in Śāstras, be superior among his colleague-businessmen, will

honour Gods and guests and be very learned.

15-16. Should Jupiter at the time of one's birth be in Scorpio, he

will be expert in Śāstras, be a king, will be a commentator of many

Bhāşyas (a commentary, which explains Sūtras word by word with

comments of its own, for example, on Vedas), be skillful, will

construct temples and towns, will have many wives, but few sons, be

troubled by diseases, will undergo many difficulties, be very fierce,

be ostentatious in his performance, be virtuous and will indulge in

contemptuous acts.

17-18. If Jupiter occupies Sagittarius at birth, one will be a

preceptor, will conduct religious vows, initiations, sacrifices etc.,

will have lasting wealth, be charitable, be friendly to his own men,

be fond of helping others, interested in Shastras, be the head of a

zone, or a minister, will live in many countries, will prefer

loneliness and be interested in visiting shrines.

19-20. JUPITER IN CAPRICORN. Jupiter in Capricorn denotes, that the

native will be less virile, will experience much grief and

difficulties, will be mean in conduct, be a dunce, will meet a bad

end, will suffer from penury, will serve others, will be bereft of

auspiciousness, mercy, purity, affection to his relatives and of

religion, will have an emaciated body, be timid, interested in living

in other countries and be depressed of spirits.

21-22. JUPITER IN AQUARIUS. If Jupiter falls in Aquarius at the time

of birth, one will be a tale-bearer, be ill disposed, interested in

evil jobs, be chief among his race men, be always attached to base

men, be malicious, miserly, will suffer from diseases, will lose

wealth on account his own utterances, be devoid of intelligence and

virtues and will violate elder's beds.

23-24. JUPITER IN PISCES. If Jupiter is in Pisces at birth, one will

be expert in knowing the meanings of Vedas and other Shastras, will

be honoured by friends and virtuous people, will be a headsman in the

king's employ, be praiseworthy, unconquerable, rich, devoid of fear,

be proud, firm in undertakings, be a king, be skillful in policies,

training, behavior and war tactics, be famous and will be calm in his

doings.

>From Chapter 27 for Saturn

74. If Saturn happens to be in the Ascendant identical with

exaltation, or own House, the native will equal a king in status, or

will head a country, or city. If Saturn is in the Ascendant in other

Rāśis, then his own, or exaltation Rāśi, the planet will

give misery

in boyhood, dirty disposition and indolence.

75. If Saturn occupies the 2nd, the native will have an ugly face,

will enjoy worldly prosperity, be devoid of his own men, will render

justice, will later on (in the course of his life) go to other

countries and will earn money and conveyances.

76. If Saturn occupies the 3rd, the native will be dark in

complexion, will maintain physical cleanliness, be base, will have

indolent attendants, be courageous, charitable and will have great

intelligence.

77. SATURN IN THE 4th. If Saturn occupies the 4th Bhava, the native

will suffer heart disease, or be broken-hearted, be devoid of

relatives, conveyances, wealth, intelligence and happiness, will

suffer sickness in boyhood and will have (prominent) nails and hair.

78. SATURN IN THE 5th. Should Saturn occupy the 5th Bhava, the native

will be bereft of happiness, sons, friends, intelligence and

kindness, be agitated and be poor.

79. If Saturn occupies the 6th, the native will be very licentious,

be beautiful, courageous, will eat abundantly, be crooked and will

conquer many of his enemies.

80. If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be

subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth,

will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts.

81. If Saturn occupies the 8th, the native will suffer from leprosy

and fistula in the anus, or pudendum, will have short life and will

fail in his undertakings.

82. If Saturn occupies the 9th, the native will be devoid of

religious merits, will not have much wealth, be bereft of co-born,

sons and happiness and will cause sorrow to others.

83. If Saturn occupies the 10th, the native will be wealthy, learned,

valorous and be a minister, or a justice, or be the leader of a

group, city, or village.

84. If Saturn occupies the 11th, the native will be long-lived,

endowed with lasting riches, be courageous, will have knowledge of

arts, be devoid of sickness and be endowed with money, people and

wealth.

85. If Saturn occupies the 12th, the native will be distressed,

fallen in moral sense, talkative, will have defective eyesight, be

unkind, shameless, will spend much and be insulted.

Chapter 30

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50. If Jupiter occupies the 1st, the native will be attractive in

appearance, energetic, long-lived, will act after assessing

consequences, be learned, courageous and great.

51. Jupiter in the 2nd. If Jupiter occupies the 2nd, the native will

be rich, will enjoy good food, be an eloquent speaker, be fortunate,

be charitable and will have a beautiful body and face.

52. If Jupiter occupies the 3rd, the native will be greatly

humiliated, be vile, ever successful, will have digestive

deficiencies, be defeated by women and be sinful in acts.

53. If Jupiter occupies the 4th, the native will be endowed with

relatives, paraphernalia, conveyance, happiness, intelligence,

pleasures and wealth, be great and be a source of misery to his

enemies.

54. If Jupiter occupies the 5th, the native will have abundant

happiness, many sons and friends, be learned, courageous, wealthy and

will always be happy.

55. If Jupiter is in the 6th, the native will lack digestive fire and

masculine virile, be humiliated, weak, indolent, will become famous

on account of females, will destroy his enemies and be widely famous.

56. If Jupiter occupies the 7th, the native will be charming, will

acquire a beautiful wife, be greater than his father, be an eloquent

speaker, a poet, a superior person and be learned and famous.

57. If Jupiter occupies the 8th, the native will be insulted, long-

lived, be a servant, will serve his own people, be pitiable and will

have union with dirty women.

58. If Jupiter is in 9th, the native will be attached to divine and

paternal duties, be learned, fortunate, be a king's minister, or a

leader and be chief.

59. If Jupiter occupies the 10th, the native will attain successful

beginning in his undertaking, be honourable, effortful and will be

endowed with abundant welfare, happiness, wealth, relatives,

conveyances and fame.

60. If Jupiter occupies the 11th, the native will enjoy many gains,

many conveyances and many servants, be virtuous, but will have

limited education and few sons.

61. If Jupiter occupies the 12th, the native will be indolent,

odious, be devoid of speech and luck and will be in all probability

in servitude.

Ch. 29. Effects of Saturn in Various Rāśis

1-2. SATURN IN ARIES. If Saturn occupies Aries at the time of one's

birth one will be miserable due to his vices and hard labor, be

deceitful will hate his relatives, be blameworthy, garrulous,

reprobated, poor, bad in appearance, ill-tempered, inimical to his

people, will do base acts, be jealous and sinful.

3-4. If Saturn occupies Taurus at the time of one's birth, he will be

bereft of wealth, be a servant, will speak undesirable words, be

untruthful, will win the hearts of old women, will have bad friends,

will be addicted to women, will serve other women, be not outspoken,

will have strong sight, be related to numerous assignments and be a

fool.

5-6. If Saturn occupies Gemini, one will contract debts and

imprisonments, will toil, will have vanity in disposition will

consecrate by hymns and prayers, be bereft of virtues, be always in

hide-out, be libidinous, cunning, wicked and fond of wandering and of

sports.

7-8. SATURN IN CANCER. If Saturn is in Cancer, one will possess a

beloved wife, be devoid of wealth in boyhood, will suffer many

diseases, be learned, motherless, soft-spoken, distinguished in acts,

will always contract diseases, will trouble others, be inimical to

relatives, crooked, be kingly in his mid-life and will enjoy growing

pleasures.

9-10. SATURN IN LEO. If Saturn occupies Leo, one will be interested

in writing and reading, be skillful, be disdained, devoid of virtues

and wife, will live by servitude, be devoid of his own men and

happiness, be interested in doing base acts, ill-tempered, be mad

with (undue) desires, will carry loads, will toil hard and will have

a wrinkled body.

11-12. SATURN IN VIRGO. If Saturn occupies Virgo at birth the subject

will resemble a eunuch, be very crafty, will depend on others for

food, be addicted to prostitutes, will have a few friends, be

unacquainted with arts, be desirous of indulging in ugly acts, will

possess sons and wealth, be indolent, helpful to others, will intent

upon spoiling virgins and be cautious in his actions.

13-14. Saturn posited in Libra at birth indicates, that the subject

will be rich, soft-spoken, will earn money and honours from foreign

countries, be a king, or a scholar, will have his wealth protected by

his relatives, be senior in the circle, will attain a high status

owing to his gracious speech in an assemblage, be good and will join

corrupt female dancers and prostitutes.

15-16. SATURN IN SCORPIO. If Saturn occupies Scorpio at birth, the

native will be hostile, be crooked, affected by poison and weapons,

very ill-tempered, miserly, egoistic, rich, capable of stealing

others' money, averse to instruments played on festive occasions,

malicious, very miserable and will face destruction, misery and

diseases.

17-18. SATURN IN SAGITTARIUS. If Saturn occupies Sagittarius, one

will be skillful in behavior, teaching, Vedic meanings, learning and

denotation, (i.e. he will be best placed in these respects), be

famous due to virtuous children, family profession and his own

virtues, will enjoy excellent affluence in his old age, will speak

less, will have many names and be soft in disposition.

19-20. If Saturn is posited at birth in Capricorn, the native will

lord over the lands of others' females, will be endowed with Vedic

knowledge, virtues and knowledge of many branches of fine arts, be

excellent among his caste-men, be honourable, will respect others, be

famous, be interested in bathing and decoration, will be skillful in

performance, will live in foreign places, be courageous and be polite

in behavior.

21-22. If Saturn is in Aquarius, the native will be a great liar, be

eminent, be addicted to women and wine, be wicked, crafty, will fall

prey to evil friendship, be very ill-tempered, be averse to

knowledge, conversation and traditional law, be addicted to other

women, be harsh in speech and will attempt at many undertakings.

23-24. SATURN IN PISCES. If Saturn occupies Pisces at birth, one will

be fond of Sacrifices and arts, be chief among his relatives and

friends, be calm, will have increasing wealth, be skillful in policy-

making, be capable of diamond testing, be virtuous, modest and will

later on acquire an authoritative position.

August 26, 2003

Dear Chandrashekar ji

This suggestion is really good.

I too feel one should learn astrology from the original textual

language or its derivatives, after reading your mail.

But now after seeing your mail for amol ji,i am still having some

doubts.

As you have said, even though your example-regarding student,guru

and all cannot be generalised - I am taking that example to clear my

doubts.

Here i believe the nature of the students and guru has to be

considered - Similarly the king and minister.

If both are of the same nature - then no one has to

suffer,'Bhrashta'.

1)Similarly if jupiter is placed in a friendly house or deeptha or

swakshethra - harmony is not troubled ,under normal circumstances.

2)But as the lagna or the individual is subject to various

influences within the chart - there can be disharmony.

Hence do you consider my point(1) as haaving some relevance?

or shld we always give importance only to point (2).

Please pardon me from asking questions like this as i am no person

to debate with you - either by knowledge or age.

Thanks again

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

> The confusion arises because of the fact that some Sanskrita words

loose

> their import when translated to English. The shloka does not say

Damage or

> Harm. It says"Bhrashta". The word has different conotations

depending on the

> context. Like Sthanabhrashta would be something like loosing one's

place

> whereas Sheelabhrashta would mean one whose moral are loose. The

same when

> said to be done by other would mean harming or damaging other's

modesty.

> Limitations of the language does sometimes pose a problem in

conveyance of

> the corect meaning of sanskrita words. This is why I have said

many a times

> that Astrology is better understood if one learns it in Sanskrit

or Sanskrit

> based Indian languages.

> Hope this helps,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

> Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:38 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Why is // Jupiter capable of

destroying the

> house it and Saturn Protects//

>

> Dear Chandrashekar ji

>

> I now understand why Jupiter placement can result in difficult

> outcomes.

>

> Do you mean to say if jupiter is placed in puthrasthana ,then the

> individuals can be intelligent but their children will

suffer.This is

> just to make sure, if i have understood your example.

>

> But i have one slight difference in opinion regarding the

statement -

> 'Jupiter destroys or harms'.

>

> This statement makes us puzzled about the meaning vis-a-vis the

> nature of Jupiter.

>

> Because when we say it destroys - it means jupiter's action was

> intented towards destruction.But that is not the case.Jupiter

tends

> to stick to principles even during adverse situations.This

behaviour

> makes him unable to protect.But his intention was never to

destroy

> nor the behaviour deserves destruction.

>

> But if you take another example

> When Ravana abducted Sita ,his behaviour deserved destruction.

>

> Though both the behaviours resulted(ends) in the destruction of

> the 'houses',the means are not the same.

>

> Hence i believe if we say Jupiter is unable to protect the house

in

> which it is placed,during all circumstances, it becomes less

ambigue -

> vis-a-vis its nature,because destruction was never intended.

>

> Though the end result is same i feel there is a difference in the

> inherent meaning.

>

> Kindly correct me if i am wrong.

>

> Also should one learn something from this lesson - to live in

Kali

> Yuga!

>

> Thanks and respect

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Pradeep,

> > Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be

true

> in their

> > application. Having said that, have you observed that the

children

> living

> > with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what

happens

> with

> > Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants

to go

> to

> > Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more

often

> than

> > other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas

invariably

> got

> > defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc.

> Saturn

> > usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their

> Senapati.

> > About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his

ability to

> protect.

> > He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are

my

> personal

> > opinions and other worthies might have different opinions.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > ----

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of

destroying

> the house

> > it and Saturn Protects//

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.

> >

> > I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in

> > discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava

in

> > which

> > it is placed and Saturn Protects.

> >

> > Here I have some queries.

> >

> > What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try

and

> > harm

> > or destroy.

> >

> > Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12

> etc) -

> > because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad

> > (negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But

if

> > saturn

> > can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above

> > statement

> > loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this

> > 'negative-negative' is wrong.

> >

> > When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can

test

> > the

> > individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and

> hard

> > as

> > well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual

can

> > combat

> > the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience

and

> > other

> > mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

> >

> > But why is it trying to destroy?

> >

> > Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc

come

> > into

> > play while deciding on this?

> >

> > If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

> > which

> > it

> > is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful.

> >

> > Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad)

> about

> > jupiter placed in ascendant.

> >

> > Thanks a lot

> > Pradeep

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August 27, 2003

dear chandershekarji,

does this mean that jupiter fails to protect the

house in which is is located? iirespective of good or bad? what about

the house it aspects. does this hold good even if jupiter is involved

in yagas like hansa yoga or gajakesari yoga.? what about debilited

jupiter?

now what about saturn in good houses does it protect the

sigindicanes of that house as well/ what about debilited saturn?what

about the houses it aspects?

with respect

ajoy

August 27, 2003

Dear Jyotishas,

Now here I will give some informations about Guru according to Nadi literatures.

Guru indicates how one follows his/her Dharma,respect one gets and wealth also.

Guru in Mesha : The native has long body,small nose,hard working,and the native

has slight problems connected to heat / Pitta.

Guru in Vrishabha : The native will have normal height,desire to have luxuries

in the life,intelligent,believes hard working people,has got gastic troubles.

Guru in Mithuna : The native will have normal

height,intelligent,faithful,diplomatic with everybody,will have enough landed

property and wealth.

Guru in Karka : This native will have his nose bent like half moon,heart line in

hand goes upto the mount of Jupiter,handsome personality,slightly

plumpy,attracts everybody,his attraction lies in his nose shape,will have

knowledge of arts or medicine in addition to his own education,suffers from

cold and throat connected troubles,many times his statements become true (

Intutive ),in the beginning of life may not be successful in life but as the

age advances ,the native will be successful and will be respected also.

Guru in Simha : The native's nose resembles that of Garuda a kind of bird (

Eagle ),will have small waist,speaks in loud voice,will have co-operation from

respected and government authorities,will have troubles connected to weakness

of nerves and Pitta or heat.

Guru in Kanya : This native will have medium height,will perform duties through

good character and attractive voice,eventhough the body is slightly small but

is attractive and handsome,Nose is slightly bent inwards,body will be under

heat and cold equally.

Guru in Tula : The native will have normal height,likes to eat too

much,attracted towards female natives,intelligent in keeping the wealth,works

hard to keep the respect,will have comfortable life.

Guru in Vrischika : The native has body of equal size,oily red coloured

body,normal height,takes interest in hard work,sometimes may not be able to

speak out inner emotions,small minded,troubles from poisonous articles and heat

( pitta ).

Guru in Dhanu : The native has long nose,speaks too much,slightly affected to

cold atmosphere,faithful,perfroms his activities by intelligence.

Guru in Makara : The native has good body but suffers frequently from some kind

of sickness,cold and gastic troubles affect the native,nose slightly broad,does

not get help from own relatives and outsders also,troubles in happiness also.

Guru in Kumbha : This native will have normal height,plumpy means the look will

be of round shaped,god knowledge of phylosophy,will have respect from others,if

undertakes any job,wishes to have respect and gain of power,will have troubles

to stomach.

Guru in Meena : The native will have a good height,attractive,quite

intelligent,will be able to get love and affection and honour from the

society,will have profound knowledge of Vedas and related knowleges,highly

spiritual but has troubles connected to liver and associate organs.

I hope this helps.

With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com> wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas,Regarding Jupiter in various houses and

signs below is something from Saaraavalli. It seems that Jupiter enhances the

both the Sign qualities and house qualities.Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranCh. 27.

Effects of Jupiter in Various Signs1-2. JUPITER IN ARIES. If Jupiter is posited

in Aries at birth, one will be argumentative in disposition, will acquire

precious stones and ornaments out of his efforts, will be endowed with

strength, sons and wealth, will have eminent and famous profession, be

splendourous, will have many enemies, much expenses and an injured body and

will confer fierce and cruel punishments. 3-4. Should Jupiter be in Taurus, one

will be endowed with a broad body, be corpulent, will honour Brahmins and Gods,

be splendourous, fortunate, attached to his wife, be

endowed with good appearance, profession, cows and abundant wealth; will possess

good articles and ornaments, be distinguished in speech, intelligence and skill;

will have political / judicial wisdom, be modest, be endowed with medical

accomplishments and be skillful in experiments. 5-6. Should Jupiter be in

Gemini, the native will be affluent, scholarly, proficient, will possess

attractive eyes, be eloquent, courteous, skillful, virtuous, will honour elders

and relatives, will be able to utter "bejeweled" words (be literally rich in

words), which are benevolent in nature, be devoted to his duties and be a good

poet. 7-8. If Jupiter be in Cancer at birth, the native will be a scholar, be

beautiful, be highly learned, charitable, good-natured, be very strong, be

famous, will possess abundant grains and riches, be endowed with truth and

penance, will have long-living sons, be honoured by all, will be a king, will

have a

distinguished profession and will be attached to his friends. 9-10. Should

Jupiter be in Leo at the time of birth, the native will be lastingly inimical,

be strong, courageous, will show abundant friendship, be learned, rich, will

have eminent relatives, be a king, will have heroism akin to that of a king,

will be recognizable in an assembly, will destroy the entire band of his

enemies, will possess a strong physique and will live in hills, fortresses,

forests and temples. 11-12. If Jupiter occupies Virgo at birth, one will be a

scholar, be virtuous, be skillful in his work, be fond of scents, robes and

flowers, will firmly gain in undertakings, will have rich experience in

Śāstras and fine arts, be affluent, charitable, pure-hearted,

skillful and wonderfully learned. 13-14. If Jupiter occupies Libra at birth,

one will be a scholar, will have many sons, be endowed with foreign

assignments, will be very

affluent, interested in ornaments, modest, will earn money through dance and

drama, be pleasing in appearance, be splendourous, learned in

Śāstras, be superior among his colleague-businessmen, will honour

Gods and guests and be very learned. 15-16. Should Jupiter at the time of one's

birth be in Scorpio, he will be expert in Śāstras, be a king, will be

a commentator of many Bhāşyas (a commentary, which explains

Sūtras word by word with comments of its own, for example, on Vedas), be

skillful, will construct temples and towns, will have many wives, but few sons,

be troubled by diseases, will undergo many difficulties, be very fierce, be

ostentatious in his performance, be virtuous and will indulge in contemptuous

acts. 17-18. If Jupiter occupies Sagittarius at birth, one will be a preceptor,

will conduct religious vows, initiations, sacrifices etc., will have lasting

wealth, be charitable, be friendly to his own men, be fond of helping others,

interested in Shastras, be the head of a zone, or a minister, will live in many

countries, will prefer loneliness and be interested in visiting shrines. 19-20.

JUPITER IN CAPRICORN. Jupiter in Capricorn denotes, that the native will be

less virile, will experience much grief and difficulties, will be mean in

conduct, be a dunce, will meet a bad end, will suffer from penury, will serve

others, will be bereft of auspiciousness, mercy, purity, affection to his

relatives and of religion, will have an emaciated body, be timid, interested in

living in other countries and be depressed of spirits. 21-22. JUPITER IN

AQUARIUS. If Jupiter falls in Aquarius at the time of birth, one will be a

tale-bearer, be ill disposed, interested in evil jobs, be chief among his race

men, be always attached to base men, be malicious, miserly, will suffer from

diseases, will

lose wealth on account his own utterances, be devoid of intelligence and virtues

and will violate elder's beds. 23-24. JUPITER IN PISCES. If Jupiter is in Pisces

at birth, one will be expert in knowing the meanings of Vedas and other

Shastras, will be honoured by friends and virtuous people, will be a headsman

in the king's employ, be praiseworthy, unconquerable, rich, devoid of fear, be

proud, firm in undertakings, be a king, be skillful in policies, training,

behavior and war tactics, be famous and will be calm in his doings. From

Chapter 27 for Saturn74. If Saturn happens to be in the Ascendant identical

with exaltation, or own House, the native will equal a king in status, or will

head a country, or city. If Saturn is in the Ascendant in other

Rāśis, then his own, or exaltation Rāśi, the planet will

give misery in boyhood, dirty disposition and indolence. 75. If Saturn

occupies the 2nd, the native will have an ugly face, will enjoy worldly

prosperity, be devoid of his own men, will render justice, will later on (in

the course of his life) go to other countries and will earn money and

conveyances. 76. If Saturn occupies the 3rd, the native will be dark in

complexion, will maintain physical cleanliness, be base, will have indolent

attendants, be courageous, charitable and will have great intelligence. 77.

SATURN IN THE 4th. If Saturn occupies the 4th Bhava, the native will suffer

heart disease, or be broken-hearted, be devoid of relatives, conveyances,

wealth, intelligence and happiness, will suffer sickness in boyhood and will

have (prominent) nails and hair. 78. SATURN IN THE 5th. Should Saturn occupy

the 5th Bhava, the native will be bereft of happiness, sons, friends,

intelligence and kindness, be agitated and be poor. 79. If Saturn occupies the

6th, the native will be very licentious,

be beautiful, courageous, will eat abundantly, be crooked and will conquer many

of his enemies. 80. If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be

subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present

himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts. 81. If Saturn occupies the

8th, the native will suffer from leprosy and fistula in the anus, or pudendum,

will have short life and will fail in his undertakings. 82. If Saturn occupies

the 9th, the native will be devoid of religious merits, will not have much

wealth, be bereft of co-born, sons and happiness and will cause sorrow to

others. 83. If Saturn occupies the 10th, the native will be wealthy, learned,

valorous and be a minister, or a justice, or be the leader of a group, city, or

village. 84. If Saturn occupies the 11th, the native will be long-lived, endowed

with lasting riches, be courageous, will have knowledge of arts,

be devoid of sickness and be endowed with money, people and wealth. 85. If

Saturn occupies the 12th, the native will be distressed, fallen in moral sense,

talkative, will have defective eyesight, be unkind, shameless, will spend much

and be insulted. Chapter 30---------50. If Jupiter occupies the 1st, the native

will be attractive in appearance, energetic, long-lived, will act after

assessing consequences, be learned, courageous and great. 51. Jupiter in the

2nd. If Jupiter occupies the 2nd, the native will be rich, will enjoy good

food, be an eloquent speaker, be fortunate, be charitable and will have a

beautiful body and face. 52. If Jupiter occupies the 3rd, the native will be

greatly humiliated, be vile, ever successful, will have digestive deficiencies,

be defeated by women and be sinful in acts. 53. If Jupiter occupies the 4th, the

native will be endowed with relatives, paraphernalia, conveyance,

happiness, intelligence, pleasures and wealth, be great and be a source of

misery to his enemies. 54. If Jupiter occupies the 5th, the native will have

abundant happiness, many sons and friends, be learned, courageous, wealthy and

will always be happy. 55. If Jupiter is in the 6th, the native will lack

digestive fire and masculine virile, be humiliated, weak, indolent, will become

famous on account of females, will destroy his enemies and be widely famous. 56.

If Jupiter occupies the 7th, the native will be charming, will acquire a

beautiful wife, be greater than his father, be an eloquent speaker, a poet, a

superior person and be learned and famous. 57. If Jupiter occupies the 8th, the

native will be insulted, long-lived, be a servant, will serve his own people, be

pitiable and will have union with dirty women. 58. If Jupiter is in 9th, the

native will be attached to divine and paternal duties, be learned, fortunate,

be a king's minister, or a leader and be chief. 59. If Jupiter occupies the

10th, the native will attain successful beginning in his undertaking, be

honourable, effortful and will be endowed with abundant welfare, happiness,

wealth, relatives, conveyances and fame. 60. If Jupiter occupies the 11th, the

native will enjoy many gains, many conveyances and many servants, be virtuous,

but will have limited education and few sons. 61. If Jupiter occupies the 12th,

the native will be indolent, odious, be devoid of speech and luck and will be in

all probability in servitude. Ch. 29. Effects of Saturn in Various

Rāśis1-2. SATURN IN ARIES. If Saturn occupies Aries at the time of

one's birth one will be miserable due to his vices and hard labor, be deceitful

will hate his relatives, be blameworthy, garrulous, reprobated, poor, bad in

appearance, ill-tempered, inimical to his people, will do base acts,

be jealous and sinful. 3-4. If Saturn occupies Taurus at the time of one's

birth, he will be bereft of wealth, be a servant, will speak undesirable words,

be untruthful, will win the hearts of old women, will have bad friends, will be

addicted to women, will serve other women, be not outspoken, will have strong

sight, be related to numerous assignments and be a fool. 5-6. If Saturn

occupies Gemini, one will contract debts and imprisonments, will toil, will

have vanity in disposition will consecrate by hymns and prayers, be bereft of

virtues, be always in hide-out, be libidinous, cunning, wicked and fond of

wandering and of sports. 7-8. SATURN IN CANCER. If Saturn is in Cancer, one

will possess a beloved wife, be devoid of wealth in boyhood, will suffer many

diseases, be learned, motherless, soft-spoken, distinguished in acts, will

always contract diseases, will trouble others, be inimical to relatives,

crooked, be

kingly in his mid-life and will enjoy growing pleasures. 9-10. SATURN IN LEO. If

Saturn occupies Leo, one will be interested in writing and reading, be skillful,

be disdained, devoid of virtues and wife, will live by servitude, be devoid of

his own men and happiness, be interested in doing base acts, ill-tempered, be

mad with (undue) desires, will carry loads, will toil hard and will have a

wrinkled body. 11-12. SATURN IN VIRGO. If Saturn occupies Virgo at birth the

subject will resemble a eunuch, be very crafty, will depend on others for food,

be addicted to prostitutes, will have a few friends, be unacquainted with arts,

be desirous of indulging in ugly acts, will possess sons and wealth, be

indolent, helpful to others, will intent upon spoiling virgins and be cautious

in his actions. 13-14. Saturn posited in Libra at birth indicates, that the

subject will be rich, soft-spoken, will earn money and honours from foreign

countries, be a king, or a scholar, will have his wealth protected by his

relatives, be senior in the circle, will attain a high status owing to his

gracious speech in an assemblage, be good and will join corrupt female dancers

and prostitutes. 15-16. SATURN IN SCORPIO. If Saturn occupies Scorpio at birth,

the native will be hostile, be crooked, affected by poison and weapons, very

ill-tempered, miserly, egoistic, rich, capable of stealing others' money,

averse to instruments played on festive occasions, malicious, very miserable

and will face destruction, misery and diseases. 17-18. SATURN IN SAGITTARIUS.

If Saturn occupies Sagittarius, one will be skillful in behavior, teaching,

Vedic meanings, learning and denotation, (i.e. he will be best placed in these

respects), be famous due to virtuous children, family profession and his own

virtues, will enjoy excellent affluence in his old age, will speak less, will

have many

names and be soft in disposition. 19-20. If Saturn is posited at birth in

Capricorn, the native will lord over the lands of others' females, will be

endowed with Vedic knowledge, virtues and knowledge of many branches of fine

arts, be excellent among his caste-men, be honourable, will respect others, be

famous, be interested in bathing and decoration, will be skillful in

performance, will live in foreign places, be courageous and be polite in

behavior. 21-22. If Saturn is in Aquarius, the native will be a great liar, be

eminent, be addicted to women and wine, be wicked, crafty, will fall prey to

evil friendship, be very ill-tempered, be averse to knowledge, conversation and

traditional law, be addicted to other women, be harsh in speech and will attempt

at many undertakings. 23-24. SATURN IN PISCES. If Saturn occupies Pisces at

birth, one will be fond of Sacrifices and arts, be chief among his relatives

and friends, be

calm, will have increasing wealth, be skillful in policy-making, be capable of

diamond testing, be virtuous, modest and will later on acquire an authoritative

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Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

Now some confusion. In the analogy of student/king and

teacher/minister why do we consider by default,student or king

as 'bad'? The Susthanas represent good and Guru in that should

protect their good and at least should not spoil the effect.

Moreover, why should we asume that everytime in the presence of Guru,

student would be interested in doing something bad? A good student

i.e. good house i.e. Susthana in the presence of Guru should enhance

its capability. Therefore Guru should enhance Sthanas capabilty. If

in Susthanas with consent and in Dusthanas without. As it would fail

to make 'bad' student 'good'. At least Guru should have that much

discremination power. Or is it that in the case of Susthanas i.e.

with good student Guru fails because of his elevated ego? In that

case we can say that Guru will always fail. In the company of good

student because of his big EGO and in the company of bad student

because of his lack of courage. As a matter of fact, if student is

really bad then Guru must make him good and in the case of good

student Guru must appriciate student.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

AmolMAndar

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Amolmandar,

> I will give you an example outside astrology and religion.Guru

represents

> Minister or the teacher . Now teacher tells that which is right.

Students

> many a times feel unconfortable in the presence of the Teacher as he

> monitors their behaviour, specially if in their youth they want to

do

> something which the Guru forbids being bad.Simialr is the case with

the king

> whose ministers forbids him from doing something that is against

RajDharma.

> Now imagine House where Jupiter is posited being the student/King

and

> Jupiter being the Teacher. The results for the house would be clear.

> Of course , as I said earlier this is only my way at looking at it

in order

> to understand why this happens, and the Sages' principles are given

to us as

> such without the reasons behind them. We have to apply our Viveka

to fathom

> the logic behind it.Other worthies might hold different views.

> Hope this helps understand the concept.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> amolmandar [amolmandar]

> Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:39 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Why is // Jupiter capable of

destroying the

> house it and Saturn Protects//

>

> Chandrashekharji Namste

>

> As usual you explained the things very lucidly but just slight

doubt.

> It is said many times that Guru is Dharma (not religion) and it

is as

> well said that Guru tries to uphold Dharma but usually fails.

Hence

> Dharma fails. But many say Dharma never fails. So Guru should also

> never fail. Then why it fails with respect to house? Does MAYA

play

> any role in this?

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

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Dear Amol Mandar,

Read the previous mail carefully again. I have not said that Student/King is

bad. I have said to see what student / king feel about a displinarian Guru

living with him, though he understands that the lessons are for his own good.

Chandrashekhar.

amolmandar [amolmandar ]Sent:

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:42 PMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house it and

Saturn Protects//Chandrashekhar ji NamasteNow some confusion. In the analogy

of student/king and teacher/minister why do we consider by default,student or

king as 'bad'? The Susthanas represent good and Guru in that should protect

their good and at least should not spoil the effect. Moreover, why should we

asume that everytime in the presence of Guru, student would be interested in

doing something bad? A good student i.e. good house i.e. Susthana in the

presence of Guru should enhance its capability. Therefore Guru should enhance

Sthanas capabilty. If in Susthanas with consent and in Dusthanas without. As it

would fail to make 'bad' student 'good'. At least Guru should have that much

discremination power. Or is it that in the case of Susthanas i.e. with good

student Guru fails because of his elevated ego? In that case we can say that

Guru will always fail. In the company of good student because of his big EGO

and in the company of bad student because of his lack of courage. As a matter

of fact, if student is really bad then Guru must make him good and in the case

of good student Guru must appriciate student. Thanks a lot for your Time and

Space.AmolMAndar vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar

Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Amolmandar,> I will give you an example

outside astrology and religion.Guru represents> Minister or the teacher . Now

teacher tells that which is right. Students> many a times feel unconfortable in

the presence of the Teacher as he> monitors their behaviour, specially if in

their youth they want to do> something which the Guru forbids being bad.Simialr

is the case with the king> whose ministers forbids him from doing something that

is against RajDharma.> Now imagine House where Jupiter is posited being the

student/King and> Jupiter being the Teacher. The results for the house would be

clear.> Of course , as I said earlier this is only my way at looking at it in

order> to understand why this happens, and the Sages' principles are given to

us as> such without the reasons behind them. We have to apply our Viveka to

fathom> the logic behind it.Other worthies might hold different views.> Hope

this helps understand the concept.> Chandrashekhar.> -----Original

Message-----> amolmandar [amolmandar]> Tuesday,

August 26, 2003 9:39 PM> vedic astrology> Subject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the> house it and

Saturn Protects//> > > Chandrashekharji Namste> > As usual you explained the

things very lucidly but just slight doubt.> It is said many times that Guru is

Dharma (not religion) and it is as> well said that Guru tries to uphold Dharma

but usually fails. Hence> Dharma fails. But many say Dharma never fails. So

Guru should also> never fail. Then why it fails with respect to house? Does

MAYA play> any role in this?> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> >

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Dear Ajoy,

No principle is to be aplied in isolation. Saturn would be more helpful to

Taurus and Libra ascendant jatakas than others. Whereas Jupiter would be more

inimical to them. Now about your query, Jupiter's aspect protects whereas

Saturn's aspect harms.There is an exception to this later when saturn aspects

9th from 7th house. Again debilitated planet aspects its house of exaltation

and so the fruits for that house are generally good.No doubt Jupiter being in

Hansa or Gajakesari yoga would be better but a Tiger's stripes can fade but not

disappear. Of course, as I have mentioned earlier too, this is my opinion and

others might hold a different view.

When principles are discussed , it is well to remember that these are to be

applied keeping in mind, other exceptions and rules which form the bassis of

this divine science.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

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Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:17 PMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house it and

Saturn Protects//dear chandershekarji, does this mean that

jupiter fails to protect the house in which is is located? iirespective of good

or bad? what about the house it aspects. does this hold good even if jupiter is

involved in yagas like hansa yoga or gajakesari yoga.? what about debilited

jupiter? now what about saturn in good houses does it protect the

sigindicanes of that house as well/ what about debilited saturn?what about the

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Dear S. Prabhakaran,

You have given a good compilation of effects of Jupiter. However if one applies

them in isolation, confusion could arise. For example if we apply the

principles to Jupiter occupying 5th house in Cancer rasi then per the

shlokas,"54. If Jupiter occupies the 5th, the native will have abundant

happiness, many sons and friends, be learned, courageous, wealthy and will

always be happy. And"7-8. If Jupiter be in Cancer at birth, the native will be

a scholar, be beautiful, be highly learned, charitable, good-natured, be very

7-8. If Jupiter be in Cancer at birth, the native will be a scholar, be

beautiful, be highly learned, charitable, good-natured, be very strong, be

famous, will possess abundant grains and riches, be endowed with truth and

penance, will have long-living sons, be honoured by all, will be a king, will

have a distinguished profession and will be attached to his friends.

However it is found that a Jataka with Jupiter in 5th house in Cancer sign

indicates less and many a times no progeny.It is no use saying Bhavat...Bhava

nasho etc. as the shloka above states about Jupiter in 5th house only and says

many sons.So perhaps the principle of Bhrashta does apply and override the

shlokas.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

sanjayprabhakaran

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capable of destroying the house it and Saturn Protects//|| Om Gurave Namah

||Dear Jyotishas,Regarding Jupiter in various houses and signs below is

something from Saaraavalli. It seems that Jupiter enhances the both the Sign

qualities and house qualities.Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranCh. 27. Effects of

Jupiter in Various Signs1-2. JUPITER IN ARIES. If Jupiter is posited in Aries

at birth, one will be argumentative in disposition, will acquire precious

stones and ornaments out of his efforts, will be endowed with strength, sons

and wealth, will have eminent and famous profession, be splendourous, will have

many enemies, much expenses and an injured body and will confer fierce and cruel

punishments. 3-4. Should Jupiter be in Taurus, one will be endowed with a broad

body, be corpulent, will honour Brahmins and Gods, be splendourous, fortunate,

attached to his wife, be endowed with good appearance, profession, cows and

abundant wealth; will possess good articles and ornaments, be distinguished in

speech, intelligence and skill; will have political / judicial wisdom, be

modest, be endowed with medical accomplishments and be skillful in experiments.

5-6. Should Jupiter be in Gemini, the native will be affluent, scholarly,

proficient, will possess attractive eyes, be eloquent, courteous, skillful,

virtuous, will honour elders and relatives, will be able to utter "bejeweled"

words (be literally rich in words), which are benevolent in nature, be devoted

to his duties and be a good poet. 7-8. If Jupiter be in Cancer at birth, the

native will be a scholar, be beautiful, be highly learned, charitable,

good-natured, be very 7-8. If Jupiter be in Cancer at birth, the native will be

a scholar, be beautiful, be highly learned, charitable, good-natured, be very

strong, be famous, will possess abundant grains and riches, be endowed with

truth and penance, will have long-living sons, be honoured by all, will be a

king, will have a distinguished profession and will be attached to his friends.

strong, be famous, will possess abundant grains and riches, be endowed with

truth and penance, will have long-living sons, be honoured by all, will be a

king, will have a distinguished profession and will be attached to his friends.

9-10. Should Jupiter be in Leo at the time of birth, the native will be

lastingly inimical, be strong, courageous, will show abundant friendship, be

learned, rich, will have eminent relatives, be a king, will have heroism akin

to that of a king, will be recognizable in an assembly, will destroy the entire

band of his enemies, will possess a strong physique and will live in hills,

fortresses, forests and temples. 11-12. If Jupiter occupies Virgo at birth, one

will be a scholar, be virtuous, be skillful in his work, be fond of scents,

robes and flowers, will firmly gain in undertakings, will have rich experience

in Śāstras and fine arts, be affluent, charitable, pure-hearted,

skillful and wonderfully learned. 13-14. If Jupiter occupies Libra at birth,

one will be a scholar, will have many sons, be endowed with foreign

assignments, will be very affluent, interested in ornaments, modest, will earn

money through dance and drama, be pleasing in appearance, be splendourous,

learned in Śāstras, be superior among his colleague-businessmen, will

honour Gods and guests and be very learned. 15-16. Should Jupiter at the time of

one's birth be in Scorpio, he will be expert in Śāstras, be a king,

will be a commentator of many Bhāşyas (a commentary, which explains