Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

[Guest guest]

I may be wrongly remembering this, but the association of 5th house

with love and entertainment (as two separate entities, lest there be

further confusion!!) -- I believe stems from western astrological

literature. In fact that is true for the association between 3rd

house and communication and 3rd house and intelligence which has been

adopted by many jyotishis. MIND YOU, I am not commenting on whether

these are correct or inaccurate associations, but just the lineage as

far as I remember.

 

Some of such a spill could also be seen in the association of 10th

house and father and 6th being hidden enemies and 7th as revealed

enemies (competitors) and there must be many more similar bridge-over

concepts.

 

RR

 

 

, "kartheek_v2000"

<kartheek_v2000> wrote:

> Dear Tanvir

>

> You are right. But come to think of it, why fifth was assigned as

the

> love house, when actually it is house of natural abilities. 5th

house

> is gains from the 7th house of relationships, and many say children

> are product of love. I have actually seen people falling in love in

> the the antardasa of 3rd,7th, 11th houses, more than anything else.

> And thse planets are connected to fifth house either by aspect or

> conjunction. But not necessary always. So you are right.

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

> , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Ashutosh Ji -

> >

> > I see many speak about 5th house being related to love affairs,

but

> I have not come along a chart that practically shows this through

> dasa bhukti or something. Of course I have not did a research stuff

> on this to be sure / confirm, but I think if it would be true, I

> could have noted this.

> >

> > Western astrology speaks about this more. To me 5th is the house

of

> mental inclination, things a person takes interest in (and also has

> skills in etc.) but is it about love affairs? Not sure.

> >

> > Do you personally believe / found out through practice/experience

> that it stands for love affairs? I am not challenging you, but I am

> curious to know whether you found it through experience, for I find

> your views experience-oriented and I like most of them.

> >

> > Regards

> > Tanvir

> >

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> > -

> > astrologerashutosh

> >

> > Monday, September 26, 2005 9:40 AM

> > Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini and all)

> >

> >

> > Dear Tanvir,

> >

> > The eleventh house is directly opposite to

fifth

> house, the house of love-affairs. Any planet in 11th will aspect

> fifth house. 11th is also for friends and aquaintances besides

money.

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tanvir ji,

 

I thank you very much for your comments. Our friend astrologer was

giving wrong information to the audience. He discussed his friend's

chart with virgo lagna and mercury in gemini in 10th house with rahu

and sun. His argument was that his friend is in hospital because the

lagna lord mercury is combust. My argument was that in this case

combustion is not the reason. The reason why his friend was in

hospital is that his lagna lord mercury is with 12th house lord sun

and rahu. Also mercury does not receive any support from other

functional benefics in his chart.

 

If our friend's argument on combustion is correct then 90% people

with virgo and gemini ascendant should be lying in the hospital with

diseases as mercury is always close to sun most of the time by

transit. I just wanted to correct him. Then he attacked me personally

by saying I am arrogant because my planets are with ketu.

 

Anyway now this is all over. I will be careful in future, and will

continue to share my knowledge with audience on this group.

 

Best Regards

 

G. Singh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> Dear Gurumeet Ji -

>

> Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them a lot

and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my quizzes

(real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had their right

answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart-events cannot

ever be explained or related to astrology without taking stars into

account. Many of my life's important events cannot be exaplined

without stars as well. I here agree with you completely.

>

> I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and

thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they already

exist in astrology but very little practiced by people.

>

> But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works to be

done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in a 6th

lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both the

examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional concepts

I have came up with based on these star concepts. I shared them in

some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now. This needs a

lot of further works.

>

> Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It needs

refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in my

position.

>

> What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and know

what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think to be

the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is a bold

tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches the focus

from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members would not

like this at all, which is very natural. There is no all-recognized

rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no specific syllabus

either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what is to be

practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it is only his

personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone.

>

> In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We can

learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We cannot, or

should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if one

requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But here

we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow anyone's

advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow his or her

teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like.

>

> That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing approach.

While the techniques you use are good, your very straight forward and

teaching-like manner may be discourage others to interact with you.

Apart from this, whatever teachniques and concepts you want to use

are just fine. So I would really expect you to fashion your posts in

a more respectful way and discussions in a friendly manner.

>

> Thanks

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> hbk1hbk_2100

>

> Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM

> Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

and all)

>

>

> You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good

nakshatra

> the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also

Ketu is

> surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This

is

> the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How

to

> Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned

clearly

> that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through

lottery.

> Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also

> mentioned same thing.

>

> When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time

events

> and see transits I consider moon sign.

>

> I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their

case

> most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then

> they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That

> makes them killer and criminal.

>

> You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions.

You

> do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and

then

> start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100

to

> +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%.

>

> I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using

> nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark.

> Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not

and

> your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to

> vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer.

This is

> what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people.

Finally I

> decided to master this science myself and became astrologer.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tanvir,

 

We take the time of birth to determine the exact degree of

lagna by which other sub-dividional charts are prepared. If we give emphasis to

nakshatras only, then there is no need for other divisional charts.

 

I am not new to jyotish. It is my passion and I have made it my full

time occupation to do justice to this science. I have thousands of horoscopes in

my database. On regular basis, whenever any new theory comes up in jyotish, I

check the practicality of such theories by applying them on the charts in my

database. Unless and untill I have applied them on at least five hundred charts,

I do not believe in such theories.

 

We astrologers tend to study our own horoscopes first to test any new

theory. If it is applicable to us, unconsciously the support develops. But, if

the majority of horoscopes tested do not support the theory, it should be kept

in backgroud, not discarded totally, and main emphasis should be given to the

tried and tested ones.

 

I keep nakshatras and astakvargas in the background. I like to go the

hard way of studying all divisional charts than to choose the short-cut.

 

Many astrologers have emphasised on nakshatras and astakvarga points and

due to the time saving nature of these studies, other aspects of the chart like

the planetary strengths, combustions, the planets' placements and yogas in other

divisional charts, are ignored. Most astrologers even do not know the use of

navamsa and dwadashamsa.

 

I myself have studied astakvargas and nakshatras very deeply. I do not

advocate over-dependence on them because very often the conclusions from their

studies are faulty and contradictory to natal chart inferences. Whereas, if one

has judged the strength of planets individually and in combinations with other

planets, the accuracy of predictions is increased.

 

I have received some deep shocks in my astrological studied and career,

when my predictions went wrong, especially in cases of death and disease,

because I was using nakshatras and astakvargas and ignored the weakness of

planets in natal and divisional charts. I have learnt the bitter lessons of

astrology in a very harsh way. I have never written any verbose books or texts.

 

The essence of jyotish is lost as we try to make it more complex and

try to impress the common man with rhetorics. For effective predictions, a

proper study of only five aspects of jyotish are enough in most cases. They are:

Natal chart, degrees of planets, navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits.

 

If only the above five are studied deeply, the predictions can be made

very correctly. In only a few cases, deeper studies, like nakshatras and

astakvargas, are required. But, if these do not support or clarify the natal

chart conclusions, then they should not be depended on.

 

One very wise astrologer had advised me never to study my own chart. I

have seen many astrologers trying to deny the weaknesses in their charts and to

interpret even their most debiliated planets as very strong ones. After all,

astrologers are also humans. They are also governed by their own horoscopes. The

debiliated planets themselves were governing their mindsets. So, the outcome is

bound to be faulty.

 

To conclude, I would say that every astrologer has his own way of

studying horoscopes. Only the outcome and correct predictions matter.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Tanvir

Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 22:51

Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

 

 

Dear Gurumeet Ji -

 

Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them a lot and do not

see the chart without judging them. Most of my quizzes (real life puzzles) I

offered here and in other lists had their right answers based on the stars and

60-70% of many chart-events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology

without taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events cannot be

exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you completely.

 

I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and thought I

"discovered" something but later I saw that they already exist in astrology but

very little practiced by people.

 

But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works to be done on

the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in a 6th lord's star will

activate the 6th lord. You will find both the examples. There is this WHY. Also,

there are some additional concepts I have came up with based on these star

concepts. I shared them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore

now. This needs a lot of further works.

 

Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It needs refinement

also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in my position.

 

What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and know what works and

what does not. You also speak out what you think to be the truth. However, as

you already know by yourself, there is a bold tone in your mails and

conversations that quickly switches the focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal

stuff, and many members would not like this at all, which is very natural. There

is no all-recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no specific

syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what is to be

practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it is only his personal

judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone.

 

In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We can learn from

each other and that is a delibarate process. We cannot, or should not impose any

concept on anyone. That is possible if one requests for personal guidance, takes

a course or something. But here we are to exchange views. None of us have

admitted to follow anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to

follow his or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like.

 

That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing approach. While the

techniques you use are good, your very straight forward and teaching-like manner

may be discourage others to interact with you. Apart from this, whatever

teachniques and concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect

you to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in a friendly

manner.

 

Thanks

Tanvir

 

 

 

What cannot happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

Where relief and solutions are found

 

-

hbk1hbk_2100

Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM

Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

 

 

You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good nakshatra

the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also Ketu is

surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47. This is

the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book How to

Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned clearly

that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through lottery.

Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also

mentioned same thing.

 

When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time events

and see transits I consider moon sign.

 

I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their case

most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house. Then

they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras. That

makes them killer and criminal.

 

You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make predictions. You

do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and then

start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -100 to

+100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%.

 

I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using

nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the dark.

Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are not and

your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it to

vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer. This is

what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people. Finally I

decided to master this science myself and became astrologer.

 

Regards

 

G. Singh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

 

b..

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Ashutoh

 

You mention that:

 

"For effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

Jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees of

planets, Navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits."

 

The five techniques that you have listed, are they manipulated in

that particular order of importance? Also, you have emphasised the

Navamsa, which is undoubtedly an important chart, but what about the

other divisional such as Dasamsa, Saptamsa etc? Is not understanding

how to interpret such D charts correctly an even more

substantial "short cut " to making specific interpretations?

 

I have not seen anyone mention the use of degree/nakshtra placement

in the divisional charts. Has anyone attempted an analyses taking

this into account, and if so what has been the effect?

 

G. Singh : thank you for livening up this list with some healthy

debate on astrological principles - it is a shame that certain

individuals have taken criticism of their limitations personally,

rather than defending them an intellectual and practical manner.

 

Regards

 

Maniv

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Tanvir,

>

> We take the time of birth to determine the exact

degree of lagna by which other sub-dividional charts are prepared.

If we give emphasis to nakshatras only, then there is no need for

other divisional charts.

>

> I am not new to jyotish. It is my passion and I have made

it my full time occupation to do justice to this science. I have

thousands of horoscopes in my database. On regular basis, whenever

any new theory comes up in jyotish, I check the practicality of such

theories by applying them on the charts in my database. Unless and

untill I have applied them on at least five hundred charts, I do not

believe in such theories.

>

> We astrologers tend to study our own horoscopes first to

test any new theory. If it is applicable to us, unconsciously the

support develops. But, if the majority of horoscopes tested do not

support the theory, it should be kept in backgroud, not discarded

totally, and main emphasis should be given to the tried and tested

ones.

>

> I keep nakshatras and astakvargas in the background. I

like to go the hard way of studying all divisional charts than to

choose the short-cut.

>

> Many astrologers have emphasised on nakshatras and

astakvarga points and due to the time saving nature of these

studies, other aspects of the chart like the planetary strengths,

combustions, the planets' placements and yogas in other divisional

charts, are ignored. Most astrologers even do not know the use of

navamsa and dwadashamsa.

>

> I myself have studied astakvargas and nakshatras very

deeply. I do not advocate over-dependence on them because very often

the conclusions from their studies are faulty and contradictory to

natal chart inferences. Whereas, if one has judged the strength of

planets individually and in combinations with other planets, the

accuracy of predictions is increased.

>

> I have received some deep shocks in my astrological

studied and career, when my predictions went wrong, especially in

cases of death and disease, because I was using nakshatras and

astakvargas and ignored the weakness of planets in natal and

divisional charts. I have learnt the bitter lessons of astrology in

a very harsh way. I have never written any verbose books or texts.

>

> The essence of jyotish is lost as we try to make it more

complex and try to impress the common man with rhetorics. For

effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees of

planets, navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits.

>

> If only the above five are studied deeply, the predictions

can be made very correctly. In only a few cases, deeper studies,

like nakshatras and astakvargas, are required. But, if these do not

support or clarify the natal chart conclusions, then they should not

be depended on.

>

> One very wise astrologer had advised me never to study my

own chart. I have seen many astrologers trying to deny the

weaknesses in their charts and to interpret even their most

debiliated planets as very strong ones. After all, astrologers are

also humans. They are also governed by their own horoscopes. The

debiliated planets themselves were governing their mindsets. So, the

outcome is bound to be faulty.

>

> To conclude, I would say that every astrologer has his own

way of studying horoscopes. Only the outcome and correct predictions

matter.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

-

> Tanvir

>

> Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 22:51

> Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini and all)

>

>

> Dear Gurumeet Ji -

>

> Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them a

lot and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my

quizzes (real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had

their right answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart-

events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology without

taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events cannot

be exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you completely.

>

> I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and

thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they already

exist in astrology but very little practiced by people.

>

> But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works to

be done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in a

6th lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both the

examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional

concepts I have came up with based on these star concepts. I shared

them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now. This

needs a lot of further works.

>

> Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It

needs refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in my

position.

>

> What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and know

what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think to

be the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is a

bold tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches the

focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members

would not like this at all, which is very natural. There is no all-

recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no specific

syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what is

to be practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it is

only his personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone.

>

> In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We can

learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We cannot,

or should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if one

requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But

here we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow

anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow his

or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like.

>

> That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing

approach. While the techniques you use are good, your very straight

forward and teaching-like manner may be discourage others to

interact with you. Apart from this, whatever teachniques and

concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect you

to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in a

friendly manner.

>

> Thanks

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> hbk1hbk_2100

>

> Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM

> Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

and all)

>

>

> You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good

nakshatra

> the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also

Ketu is

> surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47.

This is

> the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book

How to

> Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned

clearly

> that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through

lottery.

> Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also

> mentioned same thing.

>

> When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time

events

> and see transits I consider moon sign.

>

> I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their

case

> most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house.

Then

> they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras.

That

> makes them killer and criminal.

>

> You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make

predictions. You

> do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and

then

> start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -

100 to

> +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%.

>

> I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using

> nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the

dark.

> Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are

not and

> your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it

to

> vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer.

This is

> what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people.

Finally I

> decided to master this science myself and became astrologer.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

> -

-----------

>

>

> a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> b..

>

>

> c.. Terms

of Service.

>

>

> -

-----------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Maniv,

 

All are of equal importance and the order is - natal chart,

planetary positions and their strengths in natal chart, then their positions in

navamsa, then the dasha/antardashas/etc, then the transits.

 

A lot has been written about other divisional charts and their

interpretations but no conclusive rules are there. I personally study all the

divisional charts including D81 (navamsa of navamsa) and D144(Dwadasamsa of

dwadasamsa), but I cannot reveal my ways of study due to some professional

compulsions.

 

For a student of astrology who wants to start making predictions the

above mentioned five steps are more than enough. They are least confusing and

cover most of the queries of any common man (supermen, of course, are

exceptions).

 

You may call them a short cut, but they are very effective. I had once

prepared a table using above five methods to teach a friend. That genleman

started interpreting horoscopes using that table and now has gained quite a

reputation as an astrologer. All he does is to keep the table by the side of the

horoscope and interpret the chart according to the rules given in the table.

 

There are ways to find a person's profession from navamsa without the

use of even dashamsa. In fact, navamsa gives better indications about

profession, marriage and success in life, than saptamsa, dashamsa and

dwadashamsa.

 

There can be no end to calculating charts and dashas if one goes on

calculating. But, how many of us have a 'second-to-second' precise time of

birth. Therefore, under the limitations that we have, these five mentioned steps

are usually enough and helpful (not always but mostly).

 

About nakshatras. In any one sign, a planet can transit over only three

nakshatras. If mars is exalted in capricorn, it will be in nakshatras of sun,

moon or mars. It will easily remain in one nakshatra for more than two days. All

people born on a particular day could have mars in same nakshatra. So, where is

the uniqueness?

 

Nowadays, mars has stalled and stayed in sun's nakshatra since last 16

days. When it retrogrades it will again be in sun's nakshatra for some more

days. But, people born on these days will have different charts and different

placements of sun in navamsa and other charts.

 

Lagna, navamsa and other divisional charts give us that uniqueness of

horoscope which makes us different from others. The nakshatra of moon is used to

calculate dashas because it is the fastest moving planet. Some astrologers study

dasha by lagna for finer calculations. All these efforts are to find the

uniqueness. Thats what makes Indian astrological systems score over other

systems.

 

You have mentioned the possibility of use of degree/ nakshatra placement

in divisional charts. It is a nice idea but not very practical. Try it and see

for yourself.

 

The mistake is, that we do not study even the natal chart completely and

then jump to other charts, nakshatras, astakvargas etc. If one studies even one

of these properly, most of the answers can be had.

 

It sounds nice when we say that we have studied sixteen charts, 27

nakshatras and dasha to the extent of prandasha of prandasha, but what is the

outcome?

 

Instead of beating about the bush, which, sadly, most of the astrologers

have made a habit, correct focus is needed.

 

Astrology is never wrong astrologers are.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Ashutosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

maniv1321

Wednesday, 28 September, 2005 16:22

Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

 

 

Dear Ashutoh

 

You mention that:

 

"For effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

Jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees of

planets, Navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits."

 

The five techniques that you have listed, are they manipulated in

that particular order of importance? Also, you have emphasised the

Navamsa, which is undoubtedly an important chart, but what about the

other divisional such as Dasamsa, Saptamsa etc? Is not understanding

how to interpret such D charts correctly an even more

substantial "short cut " to making specific interpretations?

 

I have not seen anyone mention the use of degree/nakshtra placement

in the divisional charts. Has anyone attempted an analyses taking

this into account, and if so what has been the effect?

 

G. Singh : thank you for livening up this list with some healthy

debate on astrological principles - it is a shame that certain

individuals have taken criticism of their limitations personally,

rather than defending them an intellectual and practical manner.

 

Regards

 

Maniv

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Tanvir,

>

> We take the time of birth to determine the exact

degree of lagna by which other sub-dividional charts are prepared.

If we give emphasis to nakshatras only, then there is no need for

other divisional charts.

>

> I am not new to jyotish. It is my passion and I have made

it my full time occupation to do justice to this science. I have

thousands of horoscopes in my database. On regular basis, whenever

any new theory comes up in jyotish, I check the practicality of such

theories by applying them on the charts in my database. Unless and

untill I have applied them on at least five hundred charts, I do not

believe in such theories.

>

> We astrologers tend to study our own horoscopes first to

test any new theory. If it is applicable to us, unconsciously the

support develops. But, if the majority of horoscopes tested do not

support the theory, it should be kept in backgroud, not discarded

totally, and main emphasis should be given to the tried and tested

ones.

>

> I keep nakshatras and astakvargas in the background. I

like to go the hard way of studying all divisional charts than to

choose the short-cut.

>

> Many astrologers have emphasised on nakshatras and

astakvarga points and due to the time saving nature of these

studies, other aspects of the chart like the planetary strengths,

combustions, the planets' placements and yogas in other divisional

charts, are ignored. Most astrologers even do not know the use of

navamsa and dwadashamsa.

>

> I myself have studied astakvargas and nakshatras very

deeply. I do not advocate over-dependence on them because very often

the conclusions from their studies are faulty and contradictory to

natal chart inferences. Whereas, if one has judged the strength of

planets individually and in combinations with other planets, the

accuracy of predictions is increased.

>

> I have received some deep shocks in my astrological

studied and career, when my predictions went wrong, especially in

cases of death and disease, because I was using nakshatras and

astakvargas and ignored the weakness of planets in natal and

divisional charts. I have learnt the bitter lessons of astrology in

a very harsh way. I have never written any verbose books or texts.

>

> The essence of jyotish is lost as we try to make it more

complex and try to impress the common man with rhetorics. For

effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees of

planets, navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits.

>

> If only the above five are studied deeply, the predictions

can be made very correctly. In only a few cases, deeper studies,

like nakshatras and astakvargas, are required. But, if these do not

support or clarify the natal chart conclusions, then they should not

be depended on.

>

> One very wise astrologer had advised me never to study my

own chart. I have seen many astrologers trying to deny the

weaknesses in their charts and to interpret even their most

debiliated planets as very strong ones. After all, astrologers are

also humans. They are also governed by their own horoscopes. The

debiliated planets themselves were governing their mindsets. So, the

outcome is bound to be faulty.

>

> To conclude, I would say that every astrologer has his own

way of studying horoscopes. Only the outcome and correct predictions

matter.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Tanvir

>

> Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 22:51

> Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini and all)

>

>

> Dear Gurumeet Ji -

>

> Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them a

lot and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my

quizzes (real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had

their right answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart-

events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology without

taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events cannot

be exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you completely.

>

> I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and

thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they already

exist in astrology but very little practiced by people.

>

> But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works to

be done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in a

6th lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both the

examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional

concepts I have came up with based on these star concepts. I shared

them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now. This

needs a lot of further works.

>

> Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It

needs refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in my

position.

>

> What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and know

what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think to

be the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is a

bold tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches the

focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members

would not like this at all, which is very natural. There is no all-

recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no specific

syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what is

to be practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it is

only his personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone.

>

> In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We can

learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We cannot,

or should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if one

requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But

here we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow

anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow his

or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like.

>

> That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing

approach. While the techniques you use are good, your very straight

forward and teaching-like manner may be discourage others to

interact with you. Apart from this, whatever teachniques and

concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect you

to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in a

friendly manner.

>

> Thanks

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> hbk1hbk_2100

>

> Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM

> Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

and all)

>

>

> You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good

nakshatra

> the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also

Ketu is

> surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47.

This is

> the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book

How to

> Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned

clearly

> that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through

lottery.

> Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology also

> mentioned same thing.

>

> When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to time

events

> and see transits I consider moon sign.

>

> I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their

case

> most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house.

Then

> they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras.

That

> makes them killer and criminal.

>

> You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make

predictions. You

> do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people and

then

> start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -

100 to

> +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%.

>

> I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using

> nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the

dark.

> Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are

not and

> your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it

to

> vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer.

This is

> what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people.

Finally I

> decided to master this science myself and became astrologer.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Nacy,

I just saw a chart of aperson who was having almost 6planets in 8th in the

Gemini sign and found him to be very dynamic and ambitious.

The as i was scanning the mail I came across your mail referring toconsider:

"specially complicated charts like mine and other charts"All valid reasons and

logic for such an inclination undoubtedly comes from lagna itself.Somehow in my

own way when I was atemptin I could find a chara lagna but odd sign and a fierry

sign,chara chanadra lagn saturn in own nakshtra in IV bahva and indicating long

standing health disorders.In navamsa saturn raising in watersign aspected by

venus with a spouse looking for the angels but aspectd by saturn in D/9 may be

addicted to one or other vices.dasa of 3rd and 6th of mercury(exaltation in D/1)

and own sign in 8th in D/9 are also indications for future to be brave and

enduring.Blessings of trnasit jupiter in any case will reliev you to some extent

from pains and pleasure.

These are based on my prashna lagna taken in response to your observations

krishnan

 

dervish108 <dervish108 wrote:

Dear Ashutosh

 

Many Thanks for your soft approach. From my studying I found D1 is

the potential, if one wants to get the pearl one should dive deep.

>From this angle I found divisional charts are very important as well

as nakshatras, Arudha padas, upagrahas. One should consider

specially complicated charts like mine and other charts from moon,

sun, shri lagna and furthermore Gunas …………so on……

 

All in one it is not easy work. Ones more, thank you very much

sharing your valuable knowledge with us.

 

Best Regards

 

Naci Gulsan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear Naci,

>

> Very wise words and truly appreciable. You have

all seven planets in 7th house. That means your thoughts and life

revolves around people close to you. I am sure that you are highly

perceptive and intuitive about other people. You can attain great

heights in astrology.

>

> Why seven planets are not very beneficial? Because of the

fact that some of them are combust. If Mr. G.Singh had only mars and

saturn in capricorn in 11th house, he would have had more financial

gains than what he is having now. Other planets rule different

houses, some of which are malefic. They give their negative effects

thus lowering the benefits of the beneficial ones.

>

> It is like drinking a mixture of cold water, milk, hot

tea, hot coffee, beer, scotch, petrol and acid. What results will

such a mixture have.

>

> Seven planets in one house sound and feel very good. The

native has a very charming personality and is teeming with energy

and ideas. But, mostly, such combinations destroy family life and

take away the small but beautiful pleasures of life.

>

> What is the use of riches if one does not have a family to

share them. A single spouse who is loving, caring and dedicated is

better than a thousand lovers.

>

> In ninety percent of such cases, the native does not live

beyond fifty years of age.

>

> Many people wear navgraha rings or perform navgraha pooja.

That too is a useless activity. Not all of the nine planets can be

beneficial or malefic for any one person. The result is always

zero.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

>

-

> dervish108

>

> Monday, 26 September, 2005 18:42

> Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

and all)

>

>

>

> Dear G Singh

>

>

> It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7

> planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences.

The

> potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to

> combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry.

> When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to

> complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful

> predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to

> learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the

nature

> of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very

> clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we

have

> done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out.

> My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub

> charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You

should

> concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you

have

> strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is

the

> greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul.

>

> All the best

>

> Naci Gulsan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

> <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> >

> > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told

by

> many

> > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I

> myself

> > know astrology very well.

> >

> > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th

> house.

> > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha

in

> Mars

> > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

promised

> by

> > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could

come

> when

> > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

period or

> > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> >

> > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple

of

> days

> > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in

11th

> > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

Mercury in

> > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th

house

> and

> > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and

> Mars

> > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> >

> > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> important

> > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

nakshatra,

> and

> > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my

> chart. I

> > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

> >

> > My birth data is given below:

> >

> > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > 10:03 AM

> > Ludhiana, India

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > >

> > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> doshas?"is

> > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> doshas.May

> > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

considerd as

> > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches

what we

> > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than

get

> > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous

cycle

> of

> > births and deaths.

> > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be

that

> we

> > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

Moksha

> > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something

lost

> > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

(2nd,6th

> > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

artha

> > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of

> > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

shape

> > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we

> need

> > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> kama),one

> > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time

to

> > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

furthering

> his

> > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles

of

> > janma and mrityu.

> > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective

of

> > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

attachments

> and

> > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the

> manner

> > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

decrimination

> to

> > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too

may

> be

> > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

poorva

> > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of

the

> > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

various

> > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> Astrology,the

> > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and

> enable

> > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is

moksha

> but

> > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant

for

> > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to

the

> > cause of Astrology.

> > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human

> beings

> > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote

what

> > the native intends.

> > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native

> > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

ealisation

> and

> > correct path.

> > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the

> same

> > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad

> makes

> > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each

of

> > which

> > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF

where

> > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

position

> > too.

> > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity

[11].

> > >

> > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

> > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for

> > astrology

> > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

stance.

> In

> > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> mentioning

> > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half

and

> > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

fertile

> and

> > so

> > > on in the charts!

> > >

> > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies,

some

> of

> > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for

and

> > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent

> > addition

> > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > >

> > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will

> never

> > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

wretched

> > soul

> > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who

will

> seek

> > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> > spiritual

> > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > >

> > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "John"

<jr_esq>

> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > >

> > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

> attended

> > in

> > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas

(or

> > three

> > > > errors). These are:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> desires,

> > > and

> > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

> > > signifying

> > > > meanness and violence.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

> > > signifying

> > > > greed.

> > > >

> > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have

the

> > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

through

> > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> respectively.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Rohini (Crystal

> Pages)"

> > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> individuals

> > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane

> that

> > is.

> > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm

and

> that

> > > is

> > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

*spiritual*

> > growth

> > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is

> about

> > > the

> > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

jobs,

> > money,

> > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

dharma

> > > stuff

> > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas

and

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies

and

> > ishta

> > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some

> extent

> > I

> > > > say,

> > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently

for

> > > > worldly

> > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

> perhaps

> > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

really

> > worked

> > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

> mileage

> > > out

> > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

etc.?

> Being

> > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain

the

> > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas

(e.g.,

> 24-

> > > 31)

> > > > in

> > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> edition). I

> > > > truly

> > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with

their

> > > female

> > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

version

> > that

> > > > we

> > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to

the

> > > > originally

> > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of

what

> we

> > > have

> > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it

is

> wise

> > > to

> > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

worldly

> > > things,

> > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has

very

> > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > >

> > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry

here

> I

> > go

> > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going

to

> get

> > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -

-

> with

> > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the

time

> and

> > > pick

> > > > a

> > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases

of

> good

> > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance)

from

> > > > different

> > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and

see

> how

> > the

> > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> transits,

> > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work

out

> > > verbatim

> > > > in

> > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

someone

> > else

> > > > for

> > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works

> great!

> > If

> > > > it

> > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if

> doubt

> > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate

to

> move

> > > > beyond

> > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and

you

> may

> > > even

> > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

describes,

> > > > astrology

> > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> describes

> > > real

> > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial

query

> was

> > a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh

> House

> > > > makes

> > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

planet,

> > > > whether

> > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

> or 'bad'?

> > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

spiritual

> > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Pankaj,

In Astrology we have room for every thing and it looks the moon in chatushpada

certainly has lots of fun.when lagna raise in a star related to raksha gana and

daitya guru is afflicted where is the end of esoteric issues?

krishnan

 

pankaj sharma <astrologerpankaj wrote:

daer tanvir ji

May I interupt please, sorry.

Many astrolgers say that 5th house is house of strong emotions, fun and

entertainment. A mixture of fun, emotions and entertainment also is a pointer

towards sexuality and flirting with opposite sex. How can we deny that sexual

relations of man and woman lead to reproduction and ofcourse a issue of

bilateral sexual satisfaction. Sex is also mental and physical need in addition

to biological need( to perpetuate the race). So if we take view of mammalians(

no doubt we are the most sophisticated mammalians in terms of sexualtiy), we see

when ever they do sex, they do it only for multiplication. The god has gifted

us with sexual pleasure in addition to it. So we need some sort of liking of our

partners! Liking for other's company, love, flirting and sexual relations

beyond wedlock may be the issues relating to emotions. So that way it may be

related to 5th house, atleast to some extent. Love may be contended as the

purest expression of feelings and strong emotions for others

but strong emotions may also involve also raping other which nodoubt is done

without the consent of the partner and is denounced by the society but it may a

form of strong emotion and lust for other which can not be expression of pure

love. It is done with selfishness and muscle power. I think it is enough

indication for discussion on fifth house. I have tried to explain how the

astrologers might have deduced that 5th house represents love affairs. The sane

and prudent gurus shower light on the issue!

 

Pankaj sharma

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

Dear Tanvir,

when we talk of 5th as 7th to 11th,we need ofcourse give priority to

intellect,poorva janma irrespective of parctical issues and the natives

experiences.Love offairs and relations may be coming up from other divisional

charts.certainly natal implication as the indicate in the basic charts and the

palneatary relationships have lot of significance in the life of any native.if

practically situations differ,it is 'coz of significance in divisional cahrts.

regards

krishan

 

Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

Dear Krishnan Ji -

 

Thanks for your answers. Perhaps I was not clear to explain my question. I

understand your bhavat bhavam stuff and involvement of self efforts, son in law,

boldness etc. I agree to them, too. But I was asking how can many planets in

11th house can offer numerous relationship? Ashutosh Ji already has provided his

expert view but also any other ideas of course welcome...

 

Thanks,

Tanvir

 

 

 

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Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

 

 

Dear Tanvir ji,

basically it is 2nd to 10th involving self efforts.As 7th from spouse it's

relationsships includes daughter in law and son in law,aprt from paterna

uncles,friends and elder brother.As 9th is Dharma bhava,3rd from it has to be

kama bhava and bring in intitives and boldness to gain results out of 10th i.e

artha bhava.position of numerous plantes dilute significance of the bhava and

sign.

If the issues is with reference to number of planets posited in 11th,the

planet with least longitude has to be winner to bring in significance to kam

bhava.

The discussion if centered around gains,every thing has to be a gain.But then

the story of planets has no full stop at any time as it is 6th from 6th.

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Maniv,

 

Even though I am not one of the 'injured parties' that you talk

about :-) ... I am curious to know why you think that astrology or

astrologic as some call the underpinnings of cosmobiology are

intellect-based or necessary an intellectual pursuit?

 

Or at least why you see it that way when it is all based on a

symbolic axiomatic platform? It works, or I would not be here

spending endless hours of my life in its worship and service -- but

despite all the claims and proclaimations and so on, I fail to see

what is so intellectual about astrology? Much of what is hidden and

unknown is because of the politics and snootiness and religion of

secrecy! It is almost like 'politics out there'! Power is kept under

one's possession by withholding information and keeping it that way

for as long as one can.

 

Where is the intellect required, once the secrets are transparently

revealed? I have seen jyotishis with very modest intellects give

brilliant performance in real life. I have also seen otherwise

brilliant intellects and proved so in many other fields -- mess up

and overcomplicate a simple thing in astrology.

 

In that sense, astrology can be more effective when the spirit is

clear and perhaps not necessarily so if only the intellect is.

 

I find it disturbing when people try to lump astrology into the same

basket as other intellectual disciplines and sciences etc. When there

is absolutely no need to do so. It is time we broke away from this

materialistic mould/mold.

 

Don't take it personally, but the position and premise must be

challenged. Because it is based on knowledge/information models that

simply do not work when astrology is concerned.

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, "maniv1321" <maniv1321>

wrote:

> Dear Ashutoh

>

> You mention that:

>

> "For effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

> Jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees of

> planets, Navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits."

>

> The five techniques that you have listed, are they manipulated in

> that particular order of importance? Also, you have emphasised the

> Navamsa, which is undoubtedly an important chart, but what about

the

> other divisional such as Dasamsa, Saptamsa etc? Is not

understanding

> how to interpret such D charts correctly an even more

> substantial "short cut " to making specific interpretations?

>

> I have not seen anyone mention the use of degree/nakshtra placement

> in the divisional charts. Has anyone attempted an analyses taking

> this into account, and if so what has been the effect?

>

> G. Singh : thank you for livening up this list with some healthy

> debate on astrological principles - it is a shame that certain

> individuals have taken criticism of their limitations personally,

> rather than defending them an intellectual and practical manner.

>

> Regards

>

> Maniv

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear Tanvir,

> >

> > We take the time of birth to determine the

exact

> degree of lagna by which other sub-dividional charts are prepared.

> If we give emphasis to nakshatras only, then there is no need for

> other divisional charts.

> >

> > I am not new to jyotish. It is my passion and I have made

> it my full time occupation to do justice to this science. I have

> thousands of horoscopes in my database. On regular basis, whenever

> any new theory comes up in jyotish, I check the practicality of

such

> theories by applying them on the charts in my database. Unless and

> untill I have applied them on at least five hundred charts, I do

not

> believe in such theories.

> >

> > We astrologers tend to study our own horoscopes first to

> test any new theory. If it is applicable to us, unconsciously the

> support develops. But, if the majority of horoscopes tested do not

> support the theory, it should be kept in backgroud, not discarded

> totally, and main emphasis should be given to the tried and tested

> ones.

> >

> > I keep nakshatras and astakvargas in the background. I

> like to go the hard way of studying all divisional charts than to

> choose the short-cut.

> >

> > Many astrologers have emphasised on nakshatras and

> astakvarga points and due to the time saving nature of these

> studies, other aspects of the chart like the planetary strengths,

> combustions, the planets' placements and yogas in other divisional

> charts, are ignored. Most astrologers even do not know the use of

> navamsa and dwadashamsa.

> >

> > I myself have studied astakvargas and nakshatras very

> deeply. I do not advocate over-dependence on them because very

often

> the conclusions from their studies are faulty and contradictory to

> natal chart inferences. Whereas, if one has judged the strength of

> planets individually and in combinations with other planets, the

> accuracy of predictions is increased.

> >

> > I have received some deep shocks in my astrological

> studied and career, when my predictions went wrong, especially in

> cases of death and disease, because I was using nakshatras and

> astakvargas and ignored the weakness of planets in natal and

> divisional charts. I have learnt the bitter lessons of astrology in

> a very harsh way. I have never written any verbose books or texts.

> >

> > The essence of jyotish is lost as we try to make it more

> complex and try to impress the common man with rhetorics. For

> effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

> jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees of

> planets, navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits.

> >

> > If only the above five are studied deeply, the

predictions

> can be made very correctly. In only a few cases, deeper studies,

> like nakshatras and astakvargas, are required. But, if these do not

> support or clarify the natal chart conclusions, then they should

not

> be depended on.

> >

> > One very wise astrologer had advised me never to study my

> own chart. I have seen many astrologers trying to deny the

> weaknesses in their charts and to interpret even their most

> debiliated planets as very strong ones. After all, astrologers are

> also humans. They are also governed by their own horoscopes. The

> debiliated planets themselves were governing their mindsets. So,

the

> outcome is bound to be faulty.

> >

> > To conclude, I would say that every astrologer has his

own

> way of studying horoscopes. Only the outcome and correct

predictions

> matter.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Tanvir

> >

> > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 22:51

> > Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini and all)

> >

> >

> > Dear Gurumeet Ji -

> >

> > Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them a

> lot and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my

> quizzes (real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had

> their right answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart-

> events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology without

> taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events

cannot

> be exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you

completely.

> >

> > I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and

> thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they already

> exist in astrology but very little practiced by people.

> >

> > But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works

to

> be done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in a

> 6th lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both the

> examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional

> concepts I have came up with based on these star concepts. I shared

> them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now. This

> needs a lot of further works.

> >

> > Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It

> needs refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in my

> position.

> >

> > What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and know

> what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think to

> be the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is a

> bold tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches the

> focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members

> would not like this at all, which is very natural. There is no all-

> recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no specific

> syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what is

> to be practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it is

> only his personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone.

> >

> > In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We

can

> learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We cannot,

> or should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if one

> requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But

> here we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow

> anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow his

> or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like.

> >

> > That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing

> approach. While the techniques you use are good, your very straight

> forward and teaching-like manner may be discourage others to

> interact with you. Apart from this, whatever teachniques and

> concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect

you

> to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in a

> friendly manner.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Tanvir

> >

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> > -

> > hbk1hbk_2100

> >

> > Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM

> > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini

> and all)

> >

> >

> > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good

> nakshatra

> > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also

> Ketu is

> > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47.

> This is

> > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book

> How to

> > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned

> clearly

> > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through

> lottery.

> > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology

also

> > mentioned same thing.

> >

> > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to

time

> events

> > and see transits I consider moon sign.

> >

> > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their

> case

> > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house.

> Then

> > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras.

> That

> > makes them killer and criminal.

> >

> > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make

> predictions. You

> > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people

and

> then

> > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -

> 100 to

> > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%.

> >

> > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using

> > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the

> dark.

> > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are

> not and

> > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it

> to

> > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer.

> This is

> > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people.

> Finally I

> > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Maniv,

 

Thanks for your comments. I have been overwhelmed by reading

requests and support from members of this group after I have been

attacked personally by some SADAK CHHAP astrologers on this group who

are just jealous and crying since the day one.

 

I will continue to share my knowledge with all of you as long as the

owner of this group will allow me to do so.

 

You can study my chart for last two days as you already know my birth

data. I am in JUP/JUP/MERCURY dasha right now. Jupiter has just

entered 11th house from natal moon in libra and became favorable.

Mercury the partantar dasha lord was with ketu yesterday, unfavorable

position, when these people attacked me. Also moon by transit was in

cancer in my 8th house from natal moon again in unfavorable position.

 

Next week when Jupiter and Mercury will be together in libra these

people will realize that they were wrong, and my apologize to me for

their rude behavior.

 

My best wishes are with all of you.

 

Regards

 

G. Singh

 

 

 

 

, "maniv1321" <maniv1321>

wrote:

> Dear Ashutoh

>

> You mention that:

>

> "For effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

> Jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees of

> planets, Navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits."

>

> The five techniques that you have listed, are they manipulated in

> that particular order of importance? Also, you have emphasised the

> Navamsa, which is undoubtedly an important chart, but what about

the

> other divisional such as Dasamsa, Saptamsa etc? Is not

understanding

> how to interpret such D charts correctly an even more

> substantial "short cut " to making specific interpretations?

>

> I have not seen anyone mention the use of degree/nakshtra placement

> in the divisional charts. Has anyone attempted an analyses taking

> this into account, and if so what has been the effect?

>

> G. Singh : thank you for livening up this list with some healthy

> debate on astrological principles - it is a shame that certain

> individuals have taken criticism of their limitations personally,

> rather than defending them an intellectual and practical manner.

>

> Regards

>

> Maniv

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear Tanvir,

> >

> > We take the time of birth to determine the

exact

> degree of lagna by which other sub-dividional charts are prepared.

> If we give emphasis to nakshatras only, then there is no need for

> other divisional charts.

> >

> > I am not new to jyotish. It is my passion and I have made

> it my full time occupation to do justice to this science. I have

> thousands of horoscopes in my database. On regular basis, whenever

> any new theory comes up in jyotish, I check the practicality of

such

> theories by applying them on the charts in my database. Unless and

> untill I have applied them on at least five hundred charts, I do

not

> believe in such theories.

> >

> > We astrologers tend to study our own horoscopes first to

> test any new theory. If it is applicable to us, unconsciously the

> support develops. But, if the majority of horoscopes tested do not

> support the theory, it should be kept in backgroud, not discarded

> totally, and main emphasis should be given to the tried and tested

> ones.

> >

> > I keep nakshatras and astakvargas in the background. I

> like to go the hard way of studying all divisional charts than to

> choose the short-cut.

> >

> > Many astrologers have emphasised on nakshatras and

> astakvarga points and due to the time saving nature of these

> studies, other aspects of the chart like the planetary strengths,

> combustions, the planets' placements and yogas in other divisional

> charts, are ignored. Most astrologers even do not know the use of

> navamsa and dwadashamsa.

> >

> > I myself have studied astakvargas and nakshatras very

> deeply. I do not advocate over-dependence on them because very

often

> the conclusions from their studies are faulty and contradictory to

> natal chart inferences. Whereas, if one has judged the strength of

> planets individually and in combinations with other planets, the

> accuracy of predictions is increased.

> >

> > I have received some deep shocks in my astrological

> studied and career, when my predictions went wrong, especially in

> cases of death and disease, because I was using nakshatras and

> astakvargas and ignored the weakness of planets in natal and

> divisional charts. I have learnt the bitter lessons of astrology in

> a very harsh way. I have never written any verbose books or texts.

> >

> > The essence of jyotish is lost as we try to make it more

> complex and try to impress the common man with rhetorics. For

> effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

> jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees of

> planets, navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits.

> >

> > If only the above five are studied deeply, the

predictions

> can be made very correctly. In only a few cases, deeper studies,

> like nakshatras and astakvargas, are required. But, if these do not

> support or clarify the natal chart conclusions, then they should

not

> be depended on.

> >

> > One very wise astrologer had advised me never to study my

> own chart. I have seen many astrologers trying to deny the

> weaknesses in their charts and to interpret even their most

> debiliated planets as very strong ones. After all, astrologers are

> also humans. They are also governed by their own horoscopes. The

> debiliated planets themselves were governing their mindsets. So,

the

> outcome is bound to be faulty.

> >

> > To conclude, I would say that every astrologer has his

own

> way of studying horoscopes. Only the outcome and correct

predictions

> matter.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Tanvir

> >

> > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 22:51

> > Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini and all)

> >

> >

> > Dear Gurumeet Ji -

> >

> > Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them a

> lot and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my

> quizzes (real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had

> their right answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart-

> events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology without

> taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events

cannot

> be exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you

completely.

> >

> > I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and

> thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they already

> exist in astrology but very little practiced by people.

> >

> > But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works

to

> be done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in a

> 6th lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both the

> examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional

> concepts I have came up with based on these star concepts. I shared

> them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now. This

> needs a lot of further works.

> >

> > Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It

> needs refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in my

> position.

> >

> > What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and know

> what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think to

> be the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is a

> bold tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches the

> focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members

> would not like this at all, which is very natural. There is no all-

> recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no specific

> syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what is

> to be practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it is

> only his personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone.

> >

> > In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We

can

> learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We cannot,

> or should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if one

> requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But

> here we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow

> anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow his

> or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like.

> >

> > That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing

> approach. While the techniques you use are good, your very straight

> forward and teaching-like manner may be discourage others to

> interact with you. Apart from this, whatever teachniques and

> concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect

you

> to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in a

> friendly manner.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Tanvir

> >

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> > -

> > hbk1hbk_2100

> >

> > Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM

> > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini

> and all)

> >

> >

> > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good

> nakshatra

> > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house. Also

> Ketu is

> > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of 47.

> This is

> > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's book

> How to

> > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned

> clearly

> > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through

> lottery.

> > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology

also

> > mentioned same thing.

> >

> > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to

time

> events

> > and see transits I consider moon sign.

> >

> > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in their

> case

> > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12 house.

> Then

> > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras.

> That

> > makes them killer and criminal.

> >

> > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make

> predictions. You

> > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people

and

> then

> > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one from -

> 100 to

> > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%.

> >

> > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using

> > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the

> dark.

> > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you are

> not and

> > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change it

> to

> > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an astrologer.

> This is

> > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people.

> Finally I

> > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

-

> -----------

> >

> >

> > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > b..

> >

> >

> > c.. Terms

> of Service.

> >

> >

> >

-

> -----------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

To All,

 

I called SADAK CHHAP astrologers to only those people who were

attacking me personally. I did not take anyone's name.

 

Regards

 

G. Singh

 

 

 

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

<hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> Dear Maniv,

>

> Thanks for your comments. I have been overwhelmed by reading

> requests and support from members of this group after I have been

> attacked personally by some SADAK CHHAP astrologers on this group

who

> are just jealous and crying since the day one.

>

> I will continue to share my knowledge with all of you as long as

the

> owner of this group will allow me to do so.

>

> You can study my chart for last two days as you already know my

birth

> data. I am in JUP/JUP/MERCURY dasha right now. Jupiter has just

> entered 11th house from natal moon in libra and became favorable.

> Mercury the partantar dasha lord was with ketu yesterday,

unfavorable

> position, when these people attacked me. Also moon by transit was

in

> cancer in my 8th house from natal moon again in unfavorable

position.

>

> Next week when Jupiter and Mercury will be together in libra

these

> people will realize that they were wrong, and my apologize to me

for

> their rude behavior.

>

> My best wishes are with all of you.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

>

>

>

> , "maniv1321"

<maniv1321>

> wrote:

> > Dear Ashutoh

> >

> > You mention that:

> >

> > "For effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects

of

> > Jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees

of

> > planets, Navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits."

> >

> > The five techniques that you have listed, are they manipulated in

> > that particular order of importance? Also, you have emphasised

the

> > Navamsa, which is undoubtedly an important chart, but what about

> the

> > other divisional such as Dasamsa, Saptamsa etc? Is not

> understanding

> > how to interpret such D charts correctly an even more

> > substantial "short cut " to making specific interpretations?

> >

> > I have not seen anyone mention the use of degree/nakshtra

placement

> > in the divisional charts. Has anyone attempted an analyses taking

> > this into account, and if so what has been the effect?

> >

> > G. Singh : thank you for livening up this list with some healthy

> > debate on astrological principles - it is a shame that certain

> > individuals have taken criticism of their limitations personally,

> > rather than defending them an intellectual and practical manner.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Maniv

> > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > Dear Tanvir,

> > >

> > > We take the time of birth to determine the

> exact

> > degree of lagna by which other sub-dividional charts are

prepared.

> > If we give emphasis to nakshatras only, then there is no need for

> > other divisional charts.

> > >

> > > I am not new to jyotish. It is my passion and I have

made

> > it my full time occupation to do justice to this science. I have

> > thousands of horoscopes in my database. On regular basis,

whenever

> > any new theory comes up in jyotish, I check the practicality of

> such

> > theories by applying them on the charts in my database. Unless

and

> > untill I have applied them on at least five hundred charts, I do

> not

> > believe in such theories.

> > >

> > > We astrologers tend to study our own horoscopes first

to

> > test any new theory. If it is applicable to us, unconsciously the

> > support develops. But, if the majority of horoscopes tested do

not

> > support the theory, it should be kept in backgroud, not discarded

> > totally, and main emphasis should be given to the tried and

tested

> > ones.

> > >

> > > I keep nakshatras and astakvargas in the background. I

> > like to go the hard way of studying all divisional charts than to

> > choose the short-cut.

> > >

> > > Many astrologers have emphasised on nakshatras and

> > astakvarga points and due to the time saving nature of these

> > studies, other aspects of the chart like the planetary strengths,

> > combustions, the planets' placements and yogas in other

divisional

> > charts, are ignored. Most astrologers even do not know the use of

> > navamsa and dwadashamsa.

> > >

> > > I myself have studied astakvargas and nakshatras very

> > deeply. I do not advocate over-dependence on them because very

> often

> > the conclusions from their studies are faulty and contradictory

to

> > natal chart inferences. Whereas, if one has judged the strength

of

> > planets individually and in combinations with other planets, the

> > accuracy of predictions is increased.

> > >

> > > I have received some deep shocks in my astrological

> > studied and career, when my predictions went wrong, especially in

> > cases of death and disease, because I was using nakshatras and

> > astakvargas and ignored the weakness of planets in natal and

> > divisional charts. I have learnt the bitter lessons of astrology

in

> > a very harsh way. I have never written any verbose books or texts.

> > >

> > > The essence of jyotish is lost as we try to make it

more

> > complex and try to impress the common man with rhetorics. For

> > effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

> > jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees

of

> > planets, navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits.

> > >

> > > If only the above five are studied deeply, the

> predictions

> > can be made very correctly. In only a few cases, deeper studies,

> > like nakshatras and astakvargas, are required. But, if these do

not

> > support or clarify the natal chart conclusions, then they should

> not

> > be depended on.

> > >

> > > One very wise astrologer had advised me never to study

my

> > own chart. I have seen many astrologers trying to deny the

> > weaknesses in their charts and to interpret even their most

> > debiliated planets as very strong ones. After all, astrologers

are

> > also humans. They are also governed by their own horoscopes. The

> > debiliated planets themselves were governing their mindsets. So,

> the

> > outcome is bound to be faulty.

> > >

> > > To conclude, I would say that every astrologer has his

> own

> > way of studying horoscopes. Only the outcome and correct

> predictions

> > matter.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 22:51

> > > Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> > Rohini and all)

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Gurumeet Ji -

> > >

> > > Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them

a

> > lot and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my

> > quizzes (real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had

> > their right answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart-

> > events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology without

> > taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events

> cannot

> > be exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you

> completely.

> > >

> > > I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and

> > thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they

already

> > exist in astrology but very little practiced by people.

> > >

> > > But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works

> to

> > be done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in

a

> > 6th lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both

the

> > examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional

> > concepts I have came up with based on these star concepts. I

shared

> > them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now.

This

> > needs a lot of further works.

> > >

> > > Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It

> > needs refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in

my

> > position.

> > >

> > > What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and

know

> > what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think

to

> > be the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is

a

> > bold tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches

the

> > focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members

> > would not like this at all, which is very natural. There is no

all-

> > recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no

specific

> > syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what

is

> > to be practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it

is

> > only his personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone.

> > >

> > > In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We

> can

> > learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We

cannot,

> > or should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if

one

> > requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But

> > here we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow

> > anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow

his

> > or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like.

> > >

> > > That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing

> > approach. While the techniques you use are good, your very

straight

> > forward and teaching-like manner may be discourage others to

> > interact with you. Apart from this, whatever teachniques and

> > concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect

> you

> > to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in

a

> > friendly manner.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> > remedies

> > > Where relief and solutions are found

> > >

> > > -

> > > hbk1hbk_2100

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM

> > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini

> > and all)

> > >

> > >

> > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good

> > nakshatra

> > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house.

Also

> > Ketu is

> > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of

47.

> > This is

> > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's

book

> > How to

> > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned

> > clearly

> > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through

> > lottery.

> > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology

> also

> > > mentioned same thing.

> > >

> > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to

> time

> > events

> > > and see transits I consider moon sign.

> > >

> > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in

their

> > case

> > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12

house.

> > Then

> > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras.

> > That

> > > makes them killer and criminal.

> > >

> > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make

> > predictions. You

> > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people

> and

> > then

> > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one

from -

> > 100 to

> > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%.

> > >

> > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using

> > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the

> > dark.

> > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you

are

> > not and

> > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change

it

> > to

> > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an

astrologer.

> > This is

> > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people.

> > Finally I

> > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

--

> -

> > -----------

> > >

> > >

> > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > b..

> > >

> > >

> > > c..

Terms

> > of Service.

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

--

> -

> > -----------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear gurmeet,

No body on this earth is so prudent to brand others as sadak chap. It is sheer

mental bankruptcy. I don't understand why most of the astrologers beocome so

fussy, arrogant and unreasonable some time and start brickbating and use

undesirable language. Talk astrology and don't bother mudslinging. We are here

to learn and to unlearn. The people have saddened over such exchange of

unhealthy verbose. When we become arrogant, we loose the potentialities to

imbibe and learn. We no more remain pupils. Learning needs humility whereas self

praise needs no recommendation.

hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:

To All,

 

I called SADAK CHHAP astrologers to only those people who were

attacking me personally. I did not take anyone's name.

 

Regards

 

G. Singh

 

 

 

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

<hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> Dear Maniv,

>

> Thanks for your comments. I have been overwhelmed by reading

> requests and support from members of this group after I have been

> attacked personally by some SADAK CHHAP astrologers on this group

who

> are just jealous and crying since the day one.

>

> I will continue to share my knowledge with all of you as long as

the

> owner of this group will allow me to do so.

>

> You can study my chart for last two days as you already know my

birth

> data. I am in JUP/JUP/MERCURY dasha right now. Jupiter has just

> entered 11th house from natal moon in libra and became favorable.

> Mercury the partantar dasha lord was with ketu yesterday,

unfavorable

> position, when these people attacked me. Also moon by transit was

in

> cancer in my 8th house from natal moon again in unfavorable

position.

>

> Next week when Jupiter and Mercury will be together in libra

these

> people will realize that they were wrong, and my apologize to me

for

> their rude behavior.

>

> My best wishes are with all of you.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

>

>

>

> , "maniv1321"

<maniv1321>

> wrote:

> > Dear Ashutoh

> >

> > You mention that:

> >

> > "For effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects

of

> > Jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees

of

> > planets, Navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits."

> >

> > The five techniques that you have listed, are they manipulated in

> > that particular order of importance? Also, you have emphasised

the

> > Navamsa, which is undoubtedly an important chart, but what about

> the

> > other divisional such as Dasamsa, Saptamsa etc? Is not

> understanding

> > how to interpret such D charts correctly an even more

> > substantial "short cut " to making specific interpretations?

> >

> > I have not seen anyone mention the use of degree/nakshtra

placement

> > in the divisional charts. Has anyone attempted an analyses taking

> > this into account, and if so what has been the effect?

> >

> > G. Singh : thank you for livening up this list with some healthy

> > debate on astrological principles - it is a shame that certain

> > individuals have taken criticism of their limitations personally,

> > rather than defending them an intellectual and practical manner.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Maniv

> > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > Dear Tanvir,

> > >

> > > We take the time of birth to determine the

> exact

> > degree of lagna by which other sub-dividional charts are

prepared.

> > If we give emphasis to nakshatras only, then there is no need for

> > other divisional charts.

> > >

> > > I am not new to jyotish. It is my passion and I have

made

> > it my full time occupation to do justice to this science. I have

> > thousands of horoscopes in my database. On regular basis,

whenever

> > any new theory comes up in jyotish, I check the practicality of

> such

> > theories by applying them on the charts in my database. Unless

and

> > untill I have applied them on at least five hundred charts, I do

> not

> > believe in such theories.

> > >

> > > We astrologers tend to study our own horoscopes first

to

> > test any new theory. If it is applicable to us, unconsciously the

> > support develops. But, if the majority of horoscopes tested do

not

> > support the theory, it should be kept in backgroud, not discarded

> > totally, and main emphasis should be given to the tried and

tested

> > ones.

> > >

> > > I keep nakshatras and astakvargas in the background. I

> > like to go the hard way of studying all divisional charts than to

> > choose the short-cut.

> > >

> > > Many astrologers have emphasised on nakshatras and

> > astakvarga points and due to the time saving nature of these

> > studies, other aspects of the chart like the planetary strengths,

> > combustions, the planets' placements and yogas in other

divisional

> > charts, are ignored. Most astrologers even do not know the use of

> > navamsa and dwadashamsa.

> > >

> > > I myself have studied astakvargas and nakshatras very

> > deeply. I do not advocate over-dependence on them because very

> often

> > the conclusions from their studies are faulty and contradictory

to

> > natal chart inferences. Whereas, if one has judged the strength

of

> > planets individually and in combinations with other planets, the

> > accuracy of predictions is increased.

> > >

> > > I have received some deep shocks in my astrological

> > studied and career, when my predictions went wrong, especially in

> > cases of death and disease, because I was using nakshatras and

> > astakvargas and ignored the weakness of planets in natal and

> > divisional charts. I have learnt the bitter lessons of astrology

in

> > a very harsh way. I have never written any verbose books or texts.

> > >

> > > The essence of jyotish is lost as we try to make it

more

> > complex and try to impress the common man with rhetorics. For

> > effective predictions, a proper study of only five aspects of

> > jyotish are enough in most cases. They are: Natal chart, degrees

of

> > planets, navamsa, vimshottari dashas and transits.

> > >

> > > If only the above five are studied deeply, the

> predictions

> > can be made very correctly. In only a few cases, deeper studies,

> > like nakshatras and astakvargas, are required. But, if these do

not

> > support or clarify the natal chart conclusions, then they should

> not

> > be depended on.

> > >

> > > One very wise astrologer had advised me never to study

my

> > own chart. I have seen many astrologers trying to deny the

> > weaknesses in their charts and to interpret even their most

> > debiliated planets as very strong ones. After all, astrologers

are

> > also humans. They are also governed by their own horoscopes. The

> > debiliated planets themselves were governing their mindsets. So,

> the

> > outcome is bound to be faulty.

> > >

> > > To conclude, I would say that every astrologer has his

> own

> > way of studying horoscopes. Only the outcome and correct

> predictions

> > matter.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > > Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 22:51

> > > Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> > Rohini and all)

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Gurumeet Ji -

> > >

> > > Stars are very important in astrology. I personally use them

a

> > lot and do not see the chart without judging them. Most of my

> > quizzes (real life puzzles) I offered here and in other lists had

> > their right answers based on the stars and 60-70% of many chart-

> > events cannot ever be explained or related to astrology without

> > taking stars into account. Many of my life's important events

> cannot

> > be exaplined without stars as well. I here agree with you

> completely.

> > >

> > > I realized about stars from my own studies of real charts and

> > thought I "discovered" something but later I saw that they

already

> > exist in astrology but very little practiced by people.

> > >

> > > But after that I realized that there are still a lot of works

> to

> > be done on the topic to refine it. Not all the times a planet in

a

> > 6th lord's star will activate the 6th lord. You will find both

the

> > examples. There is this WHY. Also, there are some additional

> > concepts I have came up with based on these star concepts. I

shared

> > them in some of my earlier write ups, I do not do anymore now.

This

> > needs a lot of further works.

> > >

> > > Even KP is not totally correct in the way it uses stars. It

> > needs refinement also. I say this most humbly but I am strict in

my

> > position.

> > >

> > > What I like in you that you explore things by yourself and

know

> > what works and what does not. You also speak out what you think

to

> > be the truth. However, as you already know by yourself, there is

a

> > bold tone in your mails and conversations that quickly switches

the

> > focus from Jyotish to a bit of personal stuff, and many members

> > would not like this at all, which is very natural. There is no

all-

> > recognized rule, or principle or concept in Jyotish and no

specific

> > syllabus either. So no one should, or rightfully can, claim what

is

> > to be practiced or what concept must be applied. If he does, it

is

> > only his personal judegement and cannot be imposed on anyone.

> > >

> > > In this forum we are here to exchange views of astrology. We

> can

> > learn from each other and that is a delibarate process. We

cannot,

> > or should not impose any concept on anyone. That is possible if

one

> > requests for personal guidance, takes a course or something. But

> > here we are to exchange views. None of us have admitted to follow

> > anyone's advices or have taken anyone's discipleship to follow

his

> > or her teachings. We all are entitled to choose what we like.

> > >

> > > That is why you cannot accuse a person for his practicing

> > approach. While the techniques you use are good, your very

straight

> > forward and teaching-like manner may be discourage others to

> > interact with you. Apart from this, whatever teachniques and

> > concepts you want to use are just fine. So I would really expect

> you

> > to fashion your posts in a more respectful way and discussions in

a

> > friendly manner.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> > remedies

> > > Where relief and solutions are found

> > >

> > > -

> > > hbk1hbk_2100

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:32 PM

> > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini

> > and all)

> > >

> > >

> > > You completely ignore nakshatras at all. Ketu is in good

> > nakshatra

> > > the ruler of 2nd and 9th lord mars exalted in 9th house.

Also

> > Ketu is

> > > surrounded by three benefics. Ketu matures at the age of

47.

> > This is

> > > the opinion of many astrologers. You can read BV Raman's

book

> > How to

> > > Judge a Horoscope Volume two, page number 368. He mentioned

> > clearly

> > > that ketu in 11th will give sudden wealth could be through

> > lottery.

> > > Chakrapani Ullal who has 45 years experience in astrology

> also

> > > mentioned same thing.

> > >

> > > When I study natal chart I consider lagna. When I want to

> time

> > events

> > > and see transits I consider moon sign.

> > >

> > > I have studied charts of the murderers also. I found in

their

> > case

> > > most of the time rahu and ketu are in 6th house or 12

house.

> > Then

> > > they will have other planets in rahu and ketu's nakshatras.

> > That

> > > makes them killer and criminal.

> > >

> > > You should learn nakshatras and apply them to make

> > predictions. You

> > > do not consider nakshatras at all. You try to scare people

> and

> > then

> > > start talking about remedies. Remedies can not take one

from -

> > 100 to

> > > +100. They do have some good effect but may be 10%.

> > >

> > > I improved my astrology skills a lot after I started using

> > > nakshatras. Without nakshatras you are just shooting in the

> > dark.

> > > Sometimes you are on target many times you don't. If you

are

> > not and

> > > your prediction went wrong then you can immediately change

it

> > to

> > > vipreet raj yoga to protect your reputation as an

astrologer.

> > This is

> > > what most astrologers do and make fool of ordinary people.

> > Finally I

> > > decided to master this science myself and became astrologer.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

By the way can anyone tell me what does this Sadak chap term mean? Sorry, it can

even be emailed to me personally. . .

 

 

 

What cannot happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

Where relief and solutions are found

 

-

pankaj sharma

Friday, September 30, 2005 3:51 AM

Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

 

 

Dear gurmeet,

No body on this earth is so prudent to brand others as sadak chap. It is sheer

mental bankruptcy. I don't understand why most of the astrologers beocome so

fussy, arrogant and unreasonable some time and start brickbating and use

undesirable language. Talk astrology and don't bother mudslinging. We are here

to learn and to unlearn. The people have saddened over such exchange of

unhealthy verbose. When we become arrogant, we loose the potentialities to

imbibe and learn. We no more remain pupils. Learning needs humility whereas self

praise needs no recommendation.

hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:

To All,

 

I called SADAK CHHAP astrologers to only those people who were

attacking me personally. I did not take anyone's name.

 

Regards

 

G. Singh

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Gee, haven't heard that term since my college days (no I am not

telling when that was ;-))! It is a derogatory term that indicates

mediocrity. Sadak is road or street. This is not a jyotish-sepcific

term but back in Indian cities and small towns, one could see many

jyotishis and fortune tellers sitting by the side of a road waiting

for a customer/client. They often had a little box which they carried

their stuff in and the box also served as a table (sort of). Most of

them had a few images of Gods/Goddesses, a placard with a vermillion

aum symbol and swastik and another with a kundali chakra, some also

had a parrot (just in case ...) a few books and so 'sadak chaap' had

a literal connection with jyotishis.

 

Hope I did not overload you with information ;-)

 

RR

 

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> By the way can anyone tell me what does this Sadak chap term mean?

Sorry, it can even be emailed to me personally. . .

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

> -

> pankaj sharma

>

> Friday, September 30, 2005 3:51 AM

> Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini and all)

>

>

> Dear gurmeet,

> No body on this earth is so prudent to brand others as sadak

chap. It is sheer mental bankruptcy. I don't understand why most of

the astrologers beocome so fussy, arrogant and unreasonable some time

and start brickbating and use undesirable language. Talk astrology

and don't bother mudslinging. We are here to learn and to unlearn.

The people have saddened over such exchange of unhealthy verbose.

When we become arrogant, we loose the potentialities to imbibe and

learn. We no more remain pupils. Learning needs humility whereas self

praise needs no recommendation.

> hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> To All,

>

> I called SADAK CHHAP astrologers to only those people who were

> attacking me personally. I did not take anyone's name.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are absolutely right in your analysis.

 

 

, "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Gee, haven't heard that term since my college days (no I am not

> telling when that was ;-))! It is a derogatory term that indicates

> mediocrity. Sadak is road or street. This is not a jyotish-sepcific

> term but back in Indian cities and small towns, one could see many

> jyotishis and fortune tellers sitting by the side of a road waiting

> for a customer/client. They often had a little box which they

carried

> their stuff in and the box also served as a table (sort of). Most

of

> them had a few images of Gods/Goddesses, a placard with a

vermillion

> aum symbol and swastik and another with a kundali chakra, some also

> had a parrot (just in case ...) a few books and so 'sadak chaap'

had

> a literal connection with jyotishis.

>

> Hope I did not overload you with information ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

> wrote:

> > By the way can anyone tell me what does this Sadak chap term

mean?

> Sorry, it can even be emailed to me personally. . .

> >

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

> > -

> > pankaj sharma

> >

> > Friday, September 30, 2005 3:51 AM

> > Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini and all)

> >

> >

> > Dear gurmeet,

> > No body on this earth is so prudent to brand others as sadak

> chap. It is sheer mental bankruptcy. I don't understand why most of

> the astrologers beocome so fussy, arrogant and unreasonable some

time

> and start brickbating and use undesirable language. Talk astrology

> and don't bother mudslinging. We are here to learn and to

unlearn.

> The people have saddened over such exchange of unhealthy verbose.

> When we become arrogant, we loose the potentialities to imbibe and

> learn. We no more remain pupils. Learning needs humility whereas

self

> praise needs no recommendation.

> > hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > To All,

> >

> > I called SADAK CHHAP astrologers to only those people who

were

> > attacking me personally. I did not take anyone's name.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[smtravikiran 0]

Hey G Singh,

 

Are you still active in this forum....if yes can you please tell us where you stand today.....

 

sorry for asking this question soo late...i am a new entrant here...

 

Thanks

Ravikiran

[Acubens1 0]

The answer in UTTARAKALAMRITA - Kalidasa

[smtravikiran 0]

Hi I didnt get you ...

 

This is one of the very interesting threads....just curious to know what G Singh is up to....did he find the wind fall or not.....where is he and what is he doing right now.....