Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

September 22, 2005

Namaste Rohini and all,

According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in

California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three

errors). These are:

1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires, and

sexual pleasures.

2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house signifying

meanness and violence.

3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house signifying

greed.

Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the

capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively.

Regards,

John R.

, "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

> It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals

> consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is.

> Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that is

> considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth

> which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

>

> Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about the

> worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money,

> power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma stuff

> thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

spiritual

> matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta

> devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

>

> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

>

> Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I

say,

> recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for

worldly

> reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps

> primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked

> hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage out

> of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being

> rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the

> rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24-31)

in

> Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I

truly

> hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their female

> clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that

we

> currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

originally

> pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we have

> is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise to

> ignore the possibility?

>

> Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly things,

> 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very

> forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

>

> I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go

> again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get

> umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with

> examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and pick

a

> few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good

> quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

different

> groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the

> 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits,

> overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out verbatim

in

> many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

>

> You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else

for

> that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If

it

> does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt

> remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move

beyond

> the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may even

> begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

astrology

> has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes real

> life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

>

> RR

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > Dear Mandakani,

> > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a

bit

> > cryptic.

> > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House

makes

> > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet,

whether

> > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'?

> > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

> aspirations

> > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

September 22, 2005

Dear Rohiniji,

The interpretation of Jyotish like every other thing is but a

function of time, it changes..however, you have been writing on this

and I concur with you on this.

And before I say anything more, let me admit that the grace and

flair of your writing has always made a lot of sense to me.

People find astrology fascinating for various reasons, for me it is

an introspection and an exploration within.

We normally have an instinctive tendency to resist change. This is

particularly true as we travel through the years in life. Soon,

having grown up, we start accepting and even welcoming change. Those

who adapt and enjoy change perhaps fulfill their duties or karma

truly. The grey area of choice is the most refreshing aspect of

human endeavors. Having said that, there exists in us a query..is

there something or someone which is unchanging...'shashwat'...not a

function of time!

Therefore, the need to delve deeper within ourselves and in our

ambience, in tradition and in religion; in bhakti or in gyan..the

search, elusive, goes on.

And when one finds a few rare glimpses of the shashwat, the search

intensifies. Such a search has drawn me in this field of astrology.

I admit freely, that have found the beginning of a few answers,

particularly for myself in this field. Specially, why events are

happening which are beyond control........the prediction of future,

the normative 'good' and 'bad'; 'benefic and malefic'; spiritual and

material growth all have to go hand in hand, I suppose. But that is

not the quest!

Where do I go while discharging my duties, so that there is a

remnant of peace within and the appreciation of life is the search

for.

Will do and keep finding answers for the Lord of Eleventh as well as

the other Lords!

Thankyou for the encouraging response.

Regards

Rishi

September 23, 2005

Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes

sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of which

represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where

everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position too.

And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11].

But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for astrology

to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In

fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning

and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and

focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and so

on in the charts!

Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of

them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and

benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent addition

to the list of beneficiaries!

Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never

need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched soul

who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek

astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the spiritual

level of piety that some of us take for granted!

Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

RR

, "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> Namaste Rohini and all,

>

> According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in

> California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three

> errors). These are:

>

> 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires,

and

> sexual pleasures.

>

> 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

signifying

> meanness and violence.

>

> 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

signifying

> greed.

>

> Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the

> capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

> vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

> , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals

> > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is.

> > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that

is

> > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth

> > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> >

> > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about

the

> > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money,

> > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma

stuff

> > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

> spiritual

> > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta

> > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> >

> > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> >

> > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I

> say,

> > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for

> worldly

> > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps

> > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked

> > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage

out

> > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being

> > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the

> > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24-

31)

> in

> > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I

> truly

> > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their

female

> > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that

> we

> > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

> originally

> > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we

have

> > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise

to

> > ignore the possibility?

> >

> > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly

things,

> > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very

> > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> >

> > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go

> > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get

> > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with

> > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and

pick

> a

> > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good

> > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

> different

> > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the

> > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits,

> > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

verbatim

> in

> > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> >

> > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else

> for

> > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If

> it

> > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt

> > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move

> beyond

> > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may

even

> > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

> astrology

> > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes

real

> > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a

> bit

> > > cryptic.

> > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House

> makes

> > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet,

> whether

> > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'?

> > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

> > aspirations

> > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

September 23, 2005

dear John,Rohini and all,

The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is to make a

distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May be house like 3rd

which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as dosha bahva?Infact Astrology

balances the life and teaches what we have to promote and what we have to as

humanbeings aspire than get attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in

the vicous cycle of births and deaths.

If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we are trying

to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha will be in reach if we

are able to shape well through the Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result

one awauts is moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost

.In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th and 11th) are

next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and navam.All these houses are

development houses and so also artha houses giving a benifit to the human

being.In these baiscs of Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare

to shape ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need to

evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one has to

proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to to''review and get

satisfied and contended instead of furthering his artha and kama bhavas that

leads again into the vicious cycles of janma and mrityu.

whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of worldly pleasues

,the life will be to think of some attachments and for deriving benifits out of

these 'links' and prosper in the manner the dharma nature has dictated.The

opportunity for decrimination to adopt a path and to lead ways lies in

dharha.These houses too may be also free from doahas or may not be.it all

depends on our poorva janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing

of the whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty conscious.probably

all phases irrespective significance of various 12houses that tries to define

and convey importance of Astrology,the approach when adopted as to balance and

moderate the life and enable the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to

life is moksha but not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant

for promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the cause of

Astrology.

The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings aware of the

potentialities and choose the patha through lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the

bhavs accordingly promote what the native intends.

The relative importance each bahva is to support the native accordingly and also

provide an opportunity for self ealisation and correct path.

The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same path of moksha

and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and empphasise the need to overcome

doshas

krishnan

"Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote:

Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes

sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of which

represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where

everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position too.

And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11].

But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for astrology

to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In

fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning

and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and

focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and so

on in the charts!

Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of

them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and

benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent addition

to the list of beneficiaries!

Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never

need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched soul

who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek

astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the spiritual

level of piety that some of us take for granted!

Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

RR

, "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> Namaste Rohini and all,

>

> According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended in

> California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or three

> errors). These are:

>

> 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires,

and

> sexual pleasures.

>

> 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

signifying

> meanness and violence.

>

> 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

signifying

> greed.

>

> Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the

> capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

> vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

> , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals

> > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that is.

> > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that

is

> > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual* growth

> > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> >

> > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about

the

> > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs, money,

> > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma

stuff

> > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

> spiritual

> > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and ishta

> > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> >

> > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> >

> > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent I

> say,

> > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for

> worldly

> > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps

> > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really worked

> > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage

out

> > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being

> > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the

> > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24-

31)

> in

> > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I

> truly

> > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their

female

> > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version that

> we

> > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

> originally

> > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we

have

> > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise

to

> > ignore the possibility?

> >

> > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly

things,

> > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very

> > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> >

> > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I go

> > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get

> > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with

> > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and

pick

> a

> > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good

> > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

> different

> > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how the

> > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits,

> > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

verbatim

> in

> > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> >

> > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone else

> for

> > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great! If

> it

> > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt

> > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move

> beyond

> > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may

even

> > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

> astrology

> > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes

real

> > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was a

> bit

> > > cryptic.

> > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House

> makes

> > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet,

> whether

> > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'?

> > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

> > aspirations

> > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

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September 24, 2005

To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by many

astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself

know astrology very well.

I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house.

Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in Mars

nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by

Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come when

I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or

JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of days

before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th

house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in

Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house and

12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars

played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play important

role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and

mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart. I

appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

My birth data is given below:

Feb 3rd, 1962

10:03 AM

Ludhiana, India

Regards

G. Singh

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> dear John,Rohini and all,

>

> The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain doshas?"is

to make a distinction from good houses from houses having doshas.May

be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as

dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we

have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get

attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle of

births and deaths.

> If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that we

are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha

will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost

> .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th

and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha

houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of

Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape

ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need

to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is kama),one

has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to

to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering his

artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of

janma and mrityu.

> whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of

worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and

for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the manner

the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to

adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may be

also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva

janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the

whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various

12houses that tries to define and convey importance of Astrology,the

approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and enable

the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha but

not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for

promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the

cause of Astrology.

> The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings

aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what

the native intends.

> The relative importance each bahva is to support the native

accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and

correct path.

> The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same

path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> krishnan

>

> "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad makes

> sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of

which

> represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where

> everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position

too.

> And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11].

>

> But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

> astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for

astrology

> to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance. In

> fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely mentioning

> and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and

> focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and

so

> on in the charts!

>

> Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some of

> them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and

> benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent

addition

> to the list of beneficiaries!

>

> Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never

> need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched

soul

> who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will seek

> astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

spiritual

> level of piety that some of us take for granted!

>

> Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

>

> RR

>

> , "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> > Namaste Rohini and all,

> >

> > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended

in

> > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or

three

> > errors). These are:

> >

> > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of desires,

> and

> > sexual pleasures.

> >

> > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

> signifying

> > meanness and violence.

> >

> > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

> signifying

> > greed.

> >

> > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the

> > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

> > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas respectively.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some individuals

> > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that

is.

> > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and that

> is

> > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual*

growth

> > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > >

> > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is about

> the

> > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs,

money,

> > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma

> stuff

> > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

> > spiritual

> > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and

ishta

> > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > >

> > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > >

> > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some extent

I

> > say,

> > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for

> > worldly

> > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps

> > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really

worked

> > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual mileage

> out

> > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.? Being

> > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the

> > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g., 24-

> 31)

> > in

> > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition). I

> > truly

> > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their

> female

> > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version

that

> > we

> > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

> > originally

> > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what we

> have

> > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is wise

> to

> > > ignore the possibility?

> > >

> > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly

> things,

> > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very

> > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > >

> > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I

go

> > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to get

> > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky -- with

> > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time and

> pick

> > a

> > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of good

> > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

> > different

> > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how

the

> > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas, transits,

> > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

> verbatim

> > in

> > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > >

> > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone

else

> > for

> > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works great!

If

> > it

> > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if doubt

> > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to move

> > beyond

> > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may

> even

> > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

> > astrology

> > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it describes

> real

> > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query was

a

> > bit

> > > > cryptic.

> > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh House

> > makes

> > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet,

> > whether

> > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious or 'bad'?

> > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

> > > aspirations

> > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > rishi

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

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I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data given by

you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then ketu's

upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of

suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain will

be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get,

right ;-)

RR

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

<hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

>

> I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by

many

> astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I myself

> know astrology very well.

>

> I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th house.

> Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in

Mars

> nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised by

> Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come

when

> I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or

> JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

>

> I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of

days

> before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th

> house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in

> Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house

and

> 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and Mars

> played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

>

> I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

important

> role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra, and

> mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my chart.

I

> appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

>

> My birth data is given below:

>

> Feb 3rd, 1962

> 10:03 AM

> Ludhiana, India

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

, vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> > dear John,Rohini and all,

> >

> > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

doshas?"is

> to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

doshas.May

> be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as

> dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we

> have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get

> attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle

of

> births and deaths.

> > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that

we

> are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha

> will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost

> > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th

> and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha

> houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of

> Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape

> ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we need

> to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

kama),one

> has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to

> to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering

his

> artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of

> janma and mrityu.

> > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of

> worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments and

> for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the

manner

> the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination to

> adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may

be

> also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva

> janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the

> whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various

> 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

Astrology,the

> approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and

enable

> the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha

but

> not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for

> promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the

> cause of Astrology.

> > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human beings

> aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what

> the native intends.

> > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native

> accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation and

> correct path.

> > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the same

> path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > krishnan

> >

> > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad

makes

> > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of

> which

> > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where

> > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position

> too.

> > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11].

> >

> > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

> > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for

> astrology

> > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance.

In

> > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

mentioning

> > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and

> > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile and

> so

> > on in the charts!

> >

> > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some

of

> > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and

> > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent

> addition

> > to the list of beneficiaries!

> >

> > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will never

> > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched

> soul

> > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will

seek

> > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> spiritual

> > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> >

> > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "John" <jr_esq>

wrote:

> > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > >

> > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've attended

> in

> > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or

> three

> > > errors). These are:

> > >

> > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

desires,

> > and

> > > sexual pleasures.

> > >

> > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

> > signifying

> > > meanness and violence.

> > >

> > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

> > signifying

> > > greed.

> > >

> > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the

> > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

> > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

respectively.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > > , "Rohini (Crystal

Pages)"

> > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

individuals

> > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane that

> is.

> > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and

that

> > is

> > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual*

> growth

> > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > >

> > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is

about

> > the

> > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs,

> money,

> > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma

> > stuff

> > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

> > > spiritual

> > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and

> ishta

> > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > >

> > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some

extent

> I

> > > say,

> > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for

> > > worldly

> > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and perhaps

> > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really

> worked

> > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

mileage

> > out

> > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.?

Being

> > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the

> > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g.,

24-

> > 31)

> > > in

> > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 edition).

I

> > > truly

> > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their

> > female

> > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version

> that

> > > we

> > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

> > > originally

> > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what

we

> > have

> > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is

wise

> > to

> > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > >

> > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly

> > things,

> > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very

> > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > >

> > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here I

> go

> > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to

get

> > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky --

with

> > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time

and

> > pick

> > > a

> > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of

good

> > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

> > > different

> > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see how

> the

> > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

transits,

> > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

> > verbatim

> > > in

> > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > >

> > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone

> else

> > > for

> > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works

great!

> If

> > > it

> > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if

doubt

> > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to

move

> > > beyond

> > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you may

> > even

> > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

> > > astrology

> > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

describes

> > real

> > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query

was

> a

> > > bit

> > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh

House

> > > makes

> > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet,

> > > whether

> > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

or 'bad'?

> > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

> > > > aspirations

> > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > for Good

> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

> >

September 24, 2005

Rohin Ji,

I know my chart very well. I have

Mars at 7:38 degree

Saturn at 10:16 degrees

Sun at 20:31 degrees

Venus at 22:10 degrees

Ketu at 24:37 degrees

Jupiter at 24:52 degres

Mercury at 25:40 degrees

in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th house

at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu is in

cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees.

I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana, Punjab,

India.

I would request you to please double check again, and have another

look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your

analysis will be very helpful.

Regards

G. Singh

, "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

> I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data given by

> you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then ketu's

> upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of

> suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain

will

> be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get,

> right ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> >

> > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by

> many

> > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I

myself

> > know astrology very well.

> >

> > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th

house.

> > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in

> Mars

> > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised

by

> > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come

> when

> > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period

or

> > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> >

> > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of

> days

> > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th

> > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury

in

> > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house

> and

> > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and

Mars

> > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> >

> > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> important

> > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra,

and

> > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my

chart.

> I

> > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

> >

> > My birth data is given below:

> >

> > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > 10:03 AM

> > Ludhiana, India

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > >

> > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> doshas?"is

> > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> doshas.May

> > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd

as

> > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what

we

> > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than

get

> > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous

cycle

> of

> > births and deaths.

> > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be

that

> we

> > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

Moksha

> > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost

> > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

(2nd,6th

> > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha

> > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of

> > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape

> > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we

need

> > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> kama),one

> > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to

> > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering

> his

> > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of

> > janma and mrityu.

> > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of

> > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments

and

> > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the

> manner

> > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination

to

> > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may

> be

> > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva

> > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the

> > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

various

> > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> Astrology,the

> > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and

> enable

> > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha

> but

> > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for

> > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to

the

> > cause of Astrology.

> > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human

beings

> > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote

what

> > the native intends.

> > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native

> > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation

and

> > correct path.

> > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the

same

> > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad

> makes

> > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of

> > which

> > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF

where

> > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

position

> > too.

> > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11].

> > >

> > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

> > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for

> > astrology

> > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance.

> In

> > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> mentioning

> > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and

> > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile

and

> > so

> > > on in the charts!

> > >

> > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some

> of

> > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and

> > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent

> > addition

> > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > >

> > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will

never

> > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

wretched

> > soul

> > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will

> seek

> > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> > spiritual

> > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > >

> > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "John" <jr_esq>

> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > >

> > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

attended

> > in

> > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or

> > three

> > > > errors). These are:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> desires,

> > > and

> > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

> > > signifying

> > > > meanness and violence.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

> > > signifying

> > > > greed.

> > > >

> > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have

the

> > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

> > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> respectively.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > , "Rohini (Crystal

> Pages)"

> > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> individuals

> > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane

that

> > is.

> > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and

> that

> > > is

> > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual*

> > growth

> > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is

> about

> > > the

> > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs,

> > money,

> > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

dharma

> > > stuff

> > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and

> > ishta

> > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some

> extent

> > I

> > > > say,

> > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently

for

> > > > worldly

> > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

perhaps

> > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really

> > worked

> > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

> mileage

> > > out

> > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.?

> Being

> > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain

the

> > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g.,

> 24-

> > > 31)

> > > > in

> > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

edition).

> I

> > > > truly

> > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their

> > > female

> > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

version

> > that

> > > > we

> > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

> > > > originally

> > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what

> we

> > > have

> > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is

> wise

> > > to

> > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly

> > > things,

> > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has

very

> > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > >

> > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here

I

> > go

> > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to

> get

> > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky --

> with

> > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time

> and

> > > pick

> > > > a

> > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of

> good

> > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

> > > > different

> > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see

how

> > the

> > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> transits,

> > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

> > > verbatim

> > > > in

> > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

someone

> > else

> > > > for

> > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works

> great!

> > If

> > > > it

> > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if

> doubt

> > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to

> move

> > > > beyond

> > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you

may

> > > even

> > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

> > > > astrology

> > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> describes

> > > real

> > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query

> was

> > a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh

> House

> > > > makes

> > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

planet,

> > > > whether

> > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

> or 'bad'?

> > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

> > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > for Good

> > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

> > >

September 24, 2005

Rohin ji,

My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov 2009.

I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at 25

degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over natal

jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in 11th

house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter has 6

astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and libra in

10th and 11th from natal moon.

I appreciate your thoughts.

Regards

G. Singh

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

<hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> Rohin Ji,

>

> I know my chart very well. I have

>

> Mars at 7:38 degree

> Saturn at 10:16 degrees

> Sun at 20:31 degrees

> Venus at 22:10 degrees

> Ketu at 24:37 degrees

> Jupiter at 24:52 degres

> Mercury at 25:40 degrees

>

> in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th house

> at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu is

in

> cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees.

>

> I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana,

Punjab,

> India.

>

> I would request you to please double check again, and have another

> look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your

> analysis will be very helpful.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

> , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data given

by

> > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then

ketu's

> > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of

> > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain

> will

> > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get,

> > right ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > >

> > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by

> > many

> > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I

> myself

> > > know astrology very well.

> > >

> > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th

> house.

> > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha

in

> > Mars

> > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

promised

> by

> > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could

come

> > when

> > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period

> or

> > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > >

> > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple

of

> > days

> > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in

11th

> > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury

> in

> > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th

house

> > and

> > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and

> Mars

> > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> > >

> > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> > important

> > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra,

> and

> > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my

> chart.

> > I

> > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

> > >

> > > My birth data is given below:

> > >

> > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > 10:03 AM

> > > Ludhiana, India

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > >

> > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> > doshas?"is

> > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> > doshas.May

> > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd

> as

> > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what

> we

> > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than

> get

> > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous

> cycle

> > of

> > > births and deaths.

> > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be

> that

> > we

> > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

> Moksha

> > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something

lost

> > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> (2nd,6th

> > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha

> > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of

> > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape

> > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we

> need

> > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> > kama),one

> > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time

to

> > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

furthering

> > his

> > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles

of

> > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective

of

> > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments

> and

> > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the

> > manner

> > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

decrimination

> to

> > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too

may

> > be

> > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

poorva

> > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of

the

> > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

> various

> > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > Astrology,the

> > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and

> > enable

> > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is

moksha

> > but

> > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant

for

> > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to

> the

> > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human

> beings

> > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote

> what

> > > the native intends.

> > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native

> > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation

> and

> > > correct path.

> > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the

> same

> > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad

> > makes

> > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each

of

> > > which

> > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF

> where

> > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> position

> > > too.

> > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity

[11].

> > > >

> > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

> > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for

> > > astrology

> > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

stance.

> > In

> > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> > mentioning

> > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half

and

> > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile

> and

> > > so

> > > > on in the charts!

> > > >

> > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies,

some

> > of

> > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for

and

> > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent

> > > addition

> > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > >

> > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will

> never

> > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> wretched

> > > soul

> > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who

will

> > seek

> > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> > > spiritual

> > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > >

> > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "John" <jr_esq>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > >

> > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

> attended

> > > in

> > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas

(or

> > > three

> > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> > desires,

> > > > and

> > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

> > > > signifying

> > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

> > > > signifying

> > > > > greed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have

> the

> > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

through

> > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > respectively.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal

> > Pages)"

> > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> > individuals

> > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane

> that

> > > is.

> > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm

and

> > that

> > > > is

> > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual*

> > > growth

> > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is

> > about

> > > > the

> > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs,

> > > money,

> > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

> dharma

> > > > stuff

> > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas

and

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies

and

> > > ishta

> > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some

> > extent

> > > I

> > > > > say,

> > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently

> for

> > > > > worldly

> > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

> perhaps

> > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

really

> > > worked

> > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

> > mileage

> > > > out

> > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.?

> > Being

> > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain

> the

> > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas

(e.g.,

> > 24-

> > > > 31)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> edition).

> > I

> > > > > truly

> > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with

their

> > > > female

> > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

> version

> > > that

> > > > > we

> > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

> > > > > originally

> > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of

what

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it

is

> > wise

> > > > to

> > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

worldly

> > > > things,

> > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has

> very

> > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry

here

> I

> > > go

> > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going

to

> > get

> > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky --

> > with

> > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the

time

> > and

> > > > pick

> > > > > a

> > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases

of

> > good

> > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance)

from

> > > > > different

> > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see

> how

> > > the

> > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> > transits,

> > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

> > > > verbatim

> > > > > in

> > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

> someone

> > > else

> > > > > for

> > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works

> > great!

> > > If

> > > > > it

> > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if

> > doubt

> > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to

> > move

> > > > > beyond

> > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you

> may

> > > > even

> > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

describes,

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> > describes

> > > > real

> > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial

query

> > was

> > > a

> > > > > bit

> > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh

> > House

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

> planet,

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

> > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

spiritual

> > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > > Terms

of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > for Good

> > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

> > > >

September 24, 2005

Gurmeet ji,

It is possible that there might be a software glitch for your epoch.

Anyway, since you already know when you will get the windfall, I

won't spend time on that. I am curious though about the source of

your birth time of 10:03. If you wish to share ...

RR

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

<hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> Rohin ji,

>

> My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov

2009.

> I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at 25

> degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over natal

> jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in 11th

> house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter has

6

> astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and libra

in

> 10th and 11th from natal moon.

>

> I appreciate your thoughts.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

> , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > Rohin Ji,

> >

> > I know my chart very well. I have

> >

> > Mars at 7:38 degree

> > Saturn at 10:16 degrees

> > Sun at 20:31 degrees

> > Venus at 22:10 degrees

> > Ketu at 24:37 degrees

> > Jupiter at 24:52 degres

> > Mercury at 25:40 degrees

> >

> > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th

house

> > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu is

> in

> > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees.

> >

> > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana,

> Punjab,

> > India.

> >

> > I would request you to please double check again, and have

another

> > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your

> > analysis will be very helpful.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data

given

> by

> > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then

> ketu's

> > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of

> > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or gain

> > will

> > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can get,

> > > right ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > > >

> > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told

by

> > > many

> > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I

> > myself

> > > > know astrology very well.

> > > >

> > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th

> > house.

> > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha

> in

> > > Mars

> > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

> promised

> > by

> > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could

> come

> > > when

> > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

period

> > or

> > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > > >

> > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple

> of

> > > days

> > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in

> 11th

> > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

Mercury

> > in

> > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th

> house

> > > and

> > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter,

and

> > Mars

> > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> > > >

> > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> > > important

> > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

nakshatra,

> > and

> > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my

> > chart.

> > > I

> > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is given below:

> > > >

> > > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > > 10:03 AM

> > > > Ludhiana, India

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > > >

> > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> > > doshas?"is

> > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> > > doshas.May

> > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

considerd

> > as

> > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches

what

> > we

> > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire

than

> > get

> > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous

> > cycle

> > > of

> > > > births and deaths.

> > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be

> > that

> > > we

> > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

> > Moksha

> > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something

> lost

> > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> > (2nd,6th

> > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

artha

> > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of

> > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

shape

> > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then

we

> > need

> > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> > > kama),one

> > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has

time

> to

> > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

> furthering

> > > his

> > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

cycles

> of

> > > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective

> of

> > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

attachments

> > and

> > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the

> > > manner

> > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

> decrimination

> > to

> > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too

> may

> > > be

> > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

> poorva

> > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of

> the

> > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

> > various

> > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > > Astrology,the

> > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and

> > > enable

> > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is

> moksha

> > > but

> > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant

> for

> > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving

to

> > the

> > > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human

> > beings

> > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote

> > what

> > > > the native intends.

> > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native

> > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

ealisation

> > and

> > > > correct path.

> > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to

the

> > same

> > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being

bad

> > > makes

> > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each

> of

> > > > which

> > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF

> > where

> > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> > position

> > > > too.

> > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity

> [11].

> > > > >

> > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which

most

> > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for

> > > > astrology

> > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

> stance.

> > > In

> > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> > > mentioning

> > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half

> and

> > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

fertile

> > and

> > > > so

> > > > > on in the charts!

> > > > >

> > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies,

> some

> > > of

> > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for

> and

> > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

recent

> > > > addition

> > > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will

> > never

> > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> > wretched

> > > > soul

> > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who

> will

> > > seek

> > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "John"

<jr_esq>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

> > attended

> > > > in

> > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas

> (or

> > > > three

> > > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> > > desires,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the

house

> > > > > signifying

> > > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the

house

> > > > > signifying

> > > > > > greed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans

have

> > the

> > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

> through

> > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > > respectively.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal

> > > Pages)"

> > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> > > individuals

> > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly

plane

> > that

> > > > is.

> > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm

> and

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

*spiritual*

> > > > growth

> > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology

is

> > > about

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

jobs,

> > > > money,

> > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

> > dharma

> > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas

> and

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies

> and

> > > > ishta

> > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some

> > > extent

> > > > I

> > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

efficiently

> > for

> > > > > > worldly

> > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

> > perhaps

> > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

> really

> > > > worked

> > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

> > > mileage

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

etc.?

> > > Being

> > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

explain

> > the

> > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas

> (e.g.,

> > > 24-

> > > > > 31)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> > edition).

> > > I

> > > > > > truly

> > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with

> their

> > > > > female

> > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

> > version

> > > > that

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to

the

> > > > > > originally

> > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of

> what

> > > we

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it

> is

> > > wise

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

> worldly

> > > > > things,

> > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has

> > very

> > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry

> here

> > I

> > > > go

> > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going

> to

> > > get

> > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

lucky --

>

> > > with

> > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the

> time

> > > and

> > > > > pick

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases

> of

> > > good

> > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance)

> from

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and

see

> > how

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> > > transits,

> > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work

out

> > > > > verbatim

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

> > someone

> > > > else

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works

> > > great!

> > > > If

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And

if

> > > doubt

> > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate

to

> > > move

> > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and

you

> > may

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

> describes,

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> > > describes

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial

> query

> > > was

> > > > a

> > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

Eleventh

> > > House

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

> > planet,

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

> > > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

> spiritual

> > > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > > RELISH

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September 24, 2005

Rohini ji,

I have consulted more than 100 astrologers in my lifetime. They

prepared my chart by using different softwares, some prepared by

hand. My chart is what I described in my email. My birth time was

recorded by my mother's father. He recorded every child's birth time

in our family. I even gave you degrees of lagna, moon and all planets

also.

If you can please give what degrees and houses you are getting then I

may be able to find out where things are going wrong. I think there

must be a software glitch in the software you are using to prepare my

chart.

I studied your crystal pages pdf file, and learnt a lot. I mentioned

my thoughts, and I am requesting you for your thoughts on windfall.

I sometimes sound arrogant to people as I have 7 planets together

with exalted mars. My apologies if I said anything wrong.

Regards

G. Singh

-- In , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Gurmeet ji,

>

> It is possible that there might be a software glitch for your

epoch.

> Anyway, since you already know when you will get the windfall, I

> won't spend time on that. I am curious though about the source of

> your birth time of 10:03. If you wish to share ...

>

> RR

>

> , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > Rohin ji,

> >

> > My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov

> 2009.

> > I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at

25

> > degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over natal

> > jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in 11th

> > house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter

has

> 6

> > astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and

libra

> in

> > 10th and 11th from natal moon.

> >

> > I appreciate your thoughts.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > Rohin Ji,

> > >

> > > I know my chart very well. I have

> > >

> > > Mars at 7:38 degree

> > > Saturn at 10:16 degrees

> > > Sun at 20:31 degrees

> > > Venus at 22:10 degrees

> > > Ketu at 24:37 degrees

> > > Jupiter at 24:52 degres

> > > Mercury at 25:40 degrees

> > >

> > > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th

> house

> > > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees. Rahu

is

> > in

> > > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees.

> > >

> > > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana,

> > Punjab,

> > > India.

> > >

> > > I would request you to please double check again, and have

> another

> > > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your

> > > analysis will be very helpful.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > > , "Rohini (Crystal

Pages)"

> > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data

> given

> > by

> > > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and then

> > ketu's

> > > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality of

> > > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or

gain

> > > will

> > > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can

get,

> > > > right ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been

told

> by

> > > > many

> > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth.

I

> > > myself

> > > > > know astrology very well.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the

11th

> > > house.

> > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

Dhanistha

> > in

> > > > Mars

> > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

> > promised

> > > by

> > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could

> > come

> > > > when

> > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

> period

> > > or

> > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > > > >

> > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

couple

> > of

> > > > days

> > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in

> > 11th

> > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

> Mercury

> > > in

> > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th

> > house

> > > > and

> > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter,

> and

> > > Mars

> > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> > > > important

> > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

> nakshatra,

> > > and

> > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for

my

> > > chart.

> > > > I

> > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other

memebers.

> > > > >

> > > > > My birth data is given below:

> > > > >

> > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > > > 10:03 AM

> > > > > Ludhiana, India

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > G. Singh

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> > > > doshas?"is

> > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> > > > doshas.May

> > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

> considerd

> > > as

> > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches

> what

> > > we

> > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire

> than

> > > get

> > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the

vicous

> > > cycle

> > > > of

> > > > > births and deaths.

> > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will

be

> > > that

> > > > we

> > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

> > > Moksha

> > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as

something

> > lost

> > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> > > (2nd,6th

> > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham

and

> > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

> artha

> > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs

of

> > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

> shape

> > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then

> we

> > > need

> > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> > > > kama),one

> > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has

> time

> > to

> > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

> > furthering

> > > > his

> > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

> cycles

> > of

> > > > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

perspective

> > of

> > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

> attachments

> > > and

> > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in

the

> > > > manner

> > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

> > decrimination

> > > to

> > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses

too

> > may

> > > > be

> > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

> > poorva

> > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing

of

> > the

> > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

> > > various

> > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > > > Astrology,the

> > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life

and

> > > > enable

> > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is

> > moksha

> > > > but

> > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

meant

> > for

> > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving

> to

> > > the

> > > > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all

human

> > > beings

> > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

promote

> > > what

> > > > > the native intends.

> > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

native

> > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

> ealisation

> > > and

> > > > > correct path.

> > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to

> the

> > > same

> > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being

> bad

> > > > makes

> > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning,

each

> > of

> > > > > which

> > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG

SELF

> > > where

> > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> > > position

> > > > > too.

> > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and

charity

> > [11].

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which

> most

> > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking

for

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

> > stance.

> > > > In

> > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> > > > mentioning

> > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or

half

> > and

> > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

> fertile

> > > and

> > > > > so

> > > > > > on in the charts!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the

remedies,

> > some

> > > > of

> > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared

for

> > and

> > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

> recent

> > > > > addition

> > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and

will

> > > never

> > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> > > wretched

> > > > > soul

> > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who

> > will

> > > > seek

> > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to

the

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "John"

> <jr_esq>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

> > > attended

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika

Doshas

> > (or

> > > > > three

> > > > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> > > > desires,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the

> house

> > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the

> house

> > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > greed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans

> have

> > > the

> > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

> > through

> > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > > > respectively.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Rohini

(Crystal

> > > > Pages)"

> > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> > > > individuals

> > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly

> plane

> > > that

> > > > > is.

> > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly

realm

> > and

> > > > that

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

> *spiritual*

> > > > > growth

> > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology

> is

> > > > about

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

> jobs,

> > > > > money,

> > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

> > > dharma

> > > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

yogas

> > and

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into

remedies

> > and

> > > > > ishta

> > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds

true!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to

some

> > > > extent

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

> efficiently

> > > for

> > > > > > > worldly

> > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

> > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

> > really

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional,

spiritual

> > > > mileage

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

> etc.?

> > > > Being

> > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

> explain

> > > the

> > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas

> > (e.g.,

> > > > 24-

> > > > > > 31)

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> > > edition).

> > > > I

> > > > > > > truly

> > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with

> > their

> > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

> > > version

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to

> the

> > > > > > > originally

> > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much

of

> > what

> > > > we

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but

it

> > is

> > > > wise

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

> > worldly

> > > > > > things,

> > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach)

has

> > > very

> > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat

<sorry

> > here

> > > I

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

going

> > to

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

> lucky --

> >

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the

> > time

> > > > and

> > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

databases

> > of

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for

instance)

> > from

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and

> see

> > > how

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> > > > transits,

> > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work

> out

> > > > > > verbatim

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

> > > someone

> > > > > else

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

works

> > > > great!

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And

> if

> > > > doubt

> > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will

motivate

> to

> > > > move

> > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and

> you

> > > may

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

> > describes,

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> > > > describes

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial

> > query

> > > > was

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

> Eleventh

> > > > House

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

> > > planet,

> > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered

inauspicious

> > > > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

> > spiritual

> > > > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

other..

> > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > > RELISH

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

September 24, 2005

Yes that is what I mentioned -- software calc problems for your epoch

because of the unusual saptagrahi situation or something else. They

have been made aware of the situation.

I didn't think you were arrogant, at all. It just seemed that you

have the situation under control and know your future already, so was

a bit intrigued by the still continuing doubt and uncertainty,

particularly after 100 astrologers have already told you about it.

Maybe patiently wait for the windfall or whatever good will come your

way when all remaining doubts will vanish, right? :-)

RR

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

<hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> Rohini ji,

>

> I have consulted more than 100 astrologers in my lifetime. They

> prepared my chart by using different softwares, some prepared by

> hand. My chart is what I described in my email. My birth time was

> recorded by my mother's father. He recorded every child's birth

time

> in our family. I even gave you degrees of lagna, moon and all

planets

> also.

>

> If you can please give what degrees and houses you are getting then

I

> may be able to find out where things are going wrong. I think there

> must be a software glitch in the software you are using to prepare

my

> chart.

>

> I studied your crystal pages pdf file, and learnt a lot. I

mentioned

> my thoughts, and I am requesting you for your thoughts on windfall.

>

> I sometimes sound arrogant to people as I have 7 planets together

> with exalted mars. My apologies if I said anything wrong.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

> -- In , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Gurmeet ji,

> >

> > It is possible that there might be a software glitch for your

> epoch.

> > Anyway, since you already know when you will get the windfall, I

> > won't spend time on that. I am curious though about the source of

> > your birth time of 10:03. If you wish to share ...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > Rohin ji,

> > >

> > > My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct, Nov

> > 2009.

> > > I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be at

> 25

> > > degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over

natal

> > > jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in

11th

> > > house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and jupiter

> has

> > 6

> > > astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and

> libra

> > in

> > > 10th and 11th from natal moon.

> > >

> > > I appreciate your thoughts.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > > Rohin Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I know my chart very well. I have

> > > >

> > > > Mars at 7:38 degree

> > > > Saturn at 10:16 degrees

> > > > Sun at 20:31 degrees

> > > > Venus at 22:10 degrees

> > > > Ketu at 24:37 degrees

> > > > Jupiter at 24:52 degres

> > > > Mercury at 25:40 degrees

> > > >

> > > > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in 10th

> > house

> > > > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees.

Rahu

> is

> > > in

> > > > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees.

> > > >

> > > > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in Ludhiana,

> > > Punjab,

> > > > India.

> > > >

> > > > I would request you to please double check again, and have

> > another

> > > > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life. Your

> > > > analysis will be very helpful.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

> > > > , "Rohini (Crystal

> Pages)"

> > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on data

> > given

> > > by

> > > > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and

then

> > > ketu's

> > > > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the quality

of

> > > > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall or

> gain

> > > > will

> > > > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we can

> get,

> > > > > right ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been

> told

> > by

> > > > > many

> > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden

wealth.

> I

> > > > myself

> > > > > > know astrology very well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the

> 11th

> > > > house.

> > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

> Dhanistha

> > > in

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

> > > promised

> > > > by

> > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth

could

> > > come

> > > > > when

> > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

> > period

> > > > or

> > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

> couple

> > > of

> > > > > days

> > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon

in

> > > 11th

> > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

> > Mercury

> > > > in

> > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of

5th

> > > house

> > > > > and

> > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury,

Jupiter,

> > and

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will

play

> > > > > important

> > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

> > nakshatra,

> > > > and

> > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for

> my

> > > > chart.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other

> memebers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My birth data is given below:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > > > > 10:03 AM

> > > > > > Ludhiana, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses

contain

> > > > > doshas?"is

> > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> > > > > doshas.May

> > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

> > considerd

> > > > as

> > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and

teaches

> > what

> > > > we

> > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire

> > than

> > > > get

> > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the

> vicous

> > > > cycle

> > > > > of

> > > > > > births and deaths.

> > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result

will

> be

> > > > that

> > > > > we

> > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment

of

> > > > Moksha

> > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as

> something

> > > lost

> > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> > > > (2nd,6th

> > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham

> and

> > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

> > artha

> > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these

baiscs

> of

> > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

> > shape

> > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and

vairagya.Then

> > we

> > > > need

> > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain

is

> > > > > kama),one

> > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has

> > time

> > > to

> > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

> > > furthering

> > > > > his

> > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

> > cycles

> > > of

> > > > > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

> perspective

> > > of

> > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

> > attachments

> > > > and

> > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in

> the

> > > > > manner

> > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

> > > decrimination

> > > > to

> > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses

> too

> > > may

> > > > > be

> > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

> > > poorva

> > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance

of

> > > > various

> > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > > > > Astrology,the

> > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life

> and

> > > > > enable

> > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life

is

> > > moksha

> > > > > but

> > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

> meant

> > > for

> > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are

serving

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all

> human

> > > > beings

> > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

> promote

> > > > what

> > > > > > the native intends.

> > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

> native

> > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

> > ealisation

> > > > and

> > > > > > correct path.

> > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed

to

> > the

> > > > same

> > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness.

and

> > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three

being

> > bad

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning,

> each

> > > of

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG

> SELF

> > > > where

> > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> > > > position

> > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and

> charity

> > > [11].

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which

> > most

> > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking

> for

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

> > > stance.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are

merely

> > > > > mentioning

> > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or

> half

> > > and

> > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

> > fertile

> > > > and

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > on in the charts!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the

> remedies,

> > > some

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared

> for

> > > and

> > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

> > recent

> > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and

> will

> > > > never

> > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> > > > wretched

> > > > > > soul

> > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one

who

> > > will

> > > > > seek

> > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to

> the

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "John"

> > <jr_esq>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar

I've

> > > > attended

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika

> Doshas

> > > (or

> > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house

of

> > > > > desires,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the

> > house

> > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the

> > house

> > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > greed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans

> > have

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

> > > through

> > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > > > > respectively.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Rohini

> (Crystal

> > > > > Pages)"

> > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> > > > > individuals

> > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly

> > plane

> > > > that

> > > > > > is.

> > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly

> realm

> > > and

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

> > *spiritual*

> > > > > > growth

> > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the

time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural

astrology

> > is

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

> > jobs,

> > > > > > money,

> > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit

of

> > > > dharma

> > > > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

> yogas

> > > and

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into

> remedies

> > > and

> > > > > > ishta

> > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds

> true!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to

> some

> > > > > extent

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

> > efficiently

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > worldly

> > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly

and

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

> > > really

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional,

> spiritual

> > > > > mileage

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

> > etc.?

> > > > > Being

> > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

> > explain

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the

shlokas

> > > (e.g.,

> > > > > 24-

> > > > > > > 31)

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> > > > edition).

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > truly

> > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that

with

> > > their

> > > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the

distorted

> > > > version

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance

to

> > the

> > > > > > > > originally

> > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much

> of

> > > what

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible

but

> it

> > > is

> > > > > wise

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

> > > worldly

> > > > > > > things,

> > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach)

> has

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since

then.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat

> <sorry

> > > here

> > > > I

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

> going

> > > to

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

> > lucky --

> > >

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take

the

> > > time

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

> databases

> > > of

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for

> instance)

> > > from

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle --

and

> > see

> > > > how

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during

dashas,

> > > > > transits,

> > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to

work

> > out

> > > > > > > verbatim

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write

or

> > > > someone

> > > > > > else

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

> works

> > > > > great!

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway!

And

> > if

> > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will

> motivate

> > to

> > > > > move

> > > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is,

and

> > you

> > > > may

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

> > > describes,

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since

it

> > > > > describes

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my

initial

> > > query

> > > > > was

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

> > Eleventh

> > > > > House

> > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of

any

> > > > planet,

> > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered

> inauspicious

> > > > > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

> other..

> > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > > RELISH

> > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

September 24, 2005

Rohini ji,

I am impressed with your crystal pages pdf file. It gives very

good information on astrology and also on how to apply nakshatras in

making predictions. So I was interested in knowing your opinion.

I have jupiter, ketu, and mercury in Mars nakshatra the ruler of

2nd and 9th house exalted in 11th house. So Jupiter, ketu and Mercury

has something to do with windfall as the nakshatra lord is exalted. I

think the 11th house will be activated either in Jupiter/Mercury/Mars

period or Jupiter/Mars/Mercury period.

Many astrologers are thinking it will happen in next 2 years when

jupiter transits libra and scorpio as I have 36 ashtavarga points in

libra and 43 ashtavarga points in scorpio.

Many astrologers are doing research on my life as they want to know

when the windfall will happen. Rahu brought me to United States and

gave me citizenship here. Now we will see what jupiter will do. This

year was difficult as jupiter was with ketu aspected by rahu and

saturn. Now I look forward to jupiter's transit through 11th house

from natal moon in libra.

I have given you an example of king abdullah of jordan's chart. His

chart is very similar to mine. He became king in Mercury/Jupiter/Mars

period. His mercury and jupiter are in mars nakshatra and mars is

exalted in 2nd house.

I would appreciate if you can give me your thoughts even if you have

bad news for me.

Regards

G. Singh

, "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Yes that is what I mentioned -- software calc problems for your

epoch

> because of the unusual saptagrahi situation or something else. They

> have been made aware of the situation.

>

> I didn't think you were arrogant, at all. It just seemed that you

> have the situation under control and know your future already, so

was

> a bit intrigued by the still continuing doubt and uncertainty,

> particularly after 100 astrologers have already told you about it.

>

> Maybe patiently wait for the windfall or whatever good will come

your

> way when all remaining doubts will vanish, right? :-)

>

> RR

>

> , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > Rohini ji,

> >

> > I have consulted more than 100 astrologers in my lifetime.

They

> > prepared my chart by using different softwares, some prepared by

> > hand. My chart is what I described in my email. My birth time was

> > recorded by my mother's father. He recorded every child's birth

> time

> > in our family. I even gave you degrees of lagna, moon and all

> planets

> > also.

> >

> > If you can please give what degrees and houses you are getting

then

> I

> > may be able to find out where things are going wrong. I think

there

> > must be a software glitch in the software you are using to

prepare

> my

> > chart.

> >

> > I studied your crystal pages pdf file, and learnt a lot. I

> mentioned

> > my thoughts, and I am requesting you for your thoughts on

windfall.

> >

> > I sometimes sound arrogant to people as I have 7 planets together

> > with exalted mars. My apologies if I said anything wrong.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > -- In , "Rohini (Crystal Pages)"

> > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Gurmeet ji,

> > >

> > > It is possible that there might be a software glitch for your

> > epoch.

> > > Anyway, since you already know when you will get the windfall,

I

> > > won't spend time on that. I am curious though about the source

of

> > > your birth time of 10:03. If you wish to share ...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > > Rohin ji,

> > > >

> > > > My guess is that the sudden windfall will happen in Oct,

Nov

> > > 2009.

> > > > I will be in Jupiter/Mercury/Mercury period. Jupiter will be

at

> > 25

> > > > degrees in capricorn in dhanishta nakshatra transiting over

> natal

> > > > jupiter, natal mercury, natal ketu, and natal venus, sun in

> 11th

> > > > house. Jupiter will be in 2nd house from natal moon and

jupiter

> > has

> > > 6

> > > > astavarga points in 11th house. Mercury will be in virgo and

> > libra

> > > in

> > > > 10th and 11th from natal moon.

> > > >

> > > > I appreciate your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

> > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > > > Rohin Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I know my chart very well. I have

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars at 7:38 degree

> > > > > Saturn at 10:16 degrees

> > > > > Sun at 20:31 degrees

> > > > > Venus at 22:10 degrees

> > > > > Ketu at 24:37 degrees

> > > > > Jupiter at 24:52 degres

> > > > > Mercury at 25:40 degrees

> > > > >

> > > > > in capricorn in 11th house. My moon is in saggitarius in

10th

> > > house

> > > > > at 25:23 degrees. My lagna is in pisces at 16:54 degrees.

> Rahu

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > cancer in 5th house at 24:37 degrees.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am born on Feb 3rd, 1962 at 10:03 AM (morning) in

Ludhiana,

> > > > Punjab,

> > > > > India.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would request you to please double check again, and have

> > > another

> > > > > look at my chart. I have seen big ups and downs in life.

Your

> > > > > analysis will be very helpful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > G. Singh

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Rohini (Crystal

> > Pages)"

> > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > I only see 4 planets and a node in your 11th based on

data

> > > given

> > > > by

> > > > > > you. For 11th house activation Aug 2007 to aug 2009 and

> then

> > > > ketu's

> > > > > > upto Nov 2010 is a less strong period (but has the

quality

> of

> > > > > > suddenness). I cannot say for certain that the windfall

or

> > gain

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be enormous, though. But we gratefully receive what we

can

> > get,

> > > > > > right ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100"

> > > > > > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been

> > told

> > > by

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden

> wealth.

> > I

> > > > > myself

> > > > > > > know astrology very well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the

> > 11th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

> > Dhanistha

> > > > in

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

> > > > promised

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth

> could

> > > > come

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or

JUP/MARS/MERCURY

> > > period

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

> > couple

> > > > of

> > > > > > days

> > > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and

moon

> in

> > > > 11th

> > > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

> > > Mercury

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of

> 5th

> > > > house

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury,

> Jupiter,

> > > and

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher

level.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will

> play

> > > > > > important

> > > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

> > > nakshatra,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet

for

> > my

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other

> > memebers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birth data is given below:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > > > > > 10:03 AM

> > > > > > > Ludhiana, India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > G. Singh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses

> contain

> > > > > > doshas?"is

> > > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses

having

> > > > > > doshas.May

> > > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

> > > considerd

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and

> teaches

> > > what

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings

aspire

> > > than

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the

> > vicous

> > > > > cycle

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > births and deaths.

> > > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result

> will

> > be

> > > > > that

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from

moksha.Attainment

> of

> > > > > Moksha

> > > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through

the

> > > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts

is

> > > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as

> > something

> > > > lost

> > > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three

houses

> > > > > (2nd,6th

> > > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz

lagna,pancham

> > and

> > > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so

also

> > > artha

> > > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these

> baiscs

> > of

> > > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare

to

> > > shape

> > > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and

> vairagya.Then

> > > we

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to

gain

> is

> > > > > > kama),one

> > > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one

has

> > > time

> > > > to

> > > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

> > > > furthering

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

> > > cycles

> > > > of

> > > > > > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

> > perspective

> > > > of

> > > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

> > > attachments

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper

in

> > the

> > > > > > manner

> > > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

> > > > decrimination

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These

houses

> > too

> > > > may

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on

our

> > > > poorva

> > > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some

thing

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance

> of

> > > > > various

> > > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > > > > > Astrology,the

> > > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the

life

> > and

> > > > > > enable

> > > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life

> is

> > > > moksha

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

> > meant

> > > > for

> > > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are

> serving

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all

> > human

> > > > > beings

> > > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha

through

> > > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

> > promote

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > the native intends.

> > > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

> > native

> > > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

> > > ealisation

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > correct path.

> > > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed

> to

> > > the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness.

> and

> > > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three

> being

> > > bad

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition,

earning,

> > each

> > > > of

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG

> > SELF

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the

spiritual

> > > > > position

> > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and

> > charity

> > > > [11].

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from

which

> > > most

> > > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not

looking

> > for

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take

that

> > > > stance.

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are

> merely

> > > > > > mentioning

> > > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or

> > half

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

> > > fertile

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > on in the charts!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the

> > remedies,

> > > > some

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well

cared

> > for

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

> > > recent

> > > > > > > addition

> > > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never

and

> > will

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The

poor

> > > > > wretched

> > > > > > > soul

> > > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one

> who

> > > > will

> > > > > > seek

> > > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated

to

> > the

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "John"

> > > <jr_esq>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar

> I've

> > > > > attended

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika

> > Doshas

> > > > (or

> > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a

house

> of

> > > > > > desires,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house,

the

> > > house

> > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house,

the

> > > house

> > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > greed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses,

humans

> > > have

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative

predispositions

> > > > through

> > > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > > > > > respectively.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "Rohini

> > (Crystal

> > > > > > Pages)"

> > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'.

Some

> > > > > > individuals

> > > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the

worldly

> > > plane

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > is.

> > > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly

> > realm

> > > > and

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

> > > *spiritual*

> > > > > > > growth

> > > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the

> time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural

> astrology

> > > is

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care

about,

> > > jobs,

> > > > > > > money,

> > > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a

bit

> of

> > > > > dharma

> > > > > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

> > yogas

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into

> > remedies

> > > > and

> > > > > > > ishta

> > > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds

> > true!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily

to

> > some

> > > > > > extent

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

> > > efficiently

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > worldly

> > > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly

> and

> > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some

have

> > > > really

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional,

> > spiritual

> > > > > > mileage

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the

Sages

> > > etc.?

> > > > > > Being

> > > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

> > > explain

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the

> shlokas

> > > > (e.g.,

> > > > > > 24-

> > > > > > > > 31)

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2,

1995/1997

> > > > > edition).

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > truly

> > > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that

> with

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the

> distorted

> > > > > version

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear

resemblance

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > originally

> > > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how

much

> > of

> > > > what

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible

> but

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that

for

> > > > worldly

> > > > > > > > things,

> > > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems

Approach)

> > has

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since

> then.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat

> > <sorry

> > > > here

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

> > going

> > > > to

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

> > > lucky --

> > > >

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take

> the

> > > > time

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > pick

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

> > databases

> > > > of

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for

> > instance)

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle --

> and

> > > see

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during

> dashas,

> > > > > > transits,

> > > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to

> work

> > > out

> > > > > > > > verbatim

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write

> or

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > else

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

> > works

> > > > > > great!

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway!

> And

> > > if

> > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will

> > motivate

> > > to

> > > > > > move

> > > > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is,

> and

> > > you

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

> > > > describes,

> > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since

> it

> > > > > > describes

> > > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my

> initial

> > > > query

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

> > > Eleventh

> > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of

> any

> > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered

> > inauspicious

> > > > > > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

> > other..

> > > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th

Lordship?

> > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > > RELISH

> > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > >

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September 24, 2005

Dear G.Singh,

Out of these seven planets, only two are strong enough to

give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for Jupiter-saturn dasha. It will make

you rich.

Ashutosh

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hbk1hbk_2100

Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40

Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)