Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

September 25, 2005

Dear Ashutosh Ji,

Could you please explain how many planets in 11th house gives numerous

relationships? Is it for it is a kama bhava?

Thanks,

Tanvir.

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Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:22 PM

Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

PLEASE READ MY COMMENTS

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear G.Singh,

>

> Having seven planets in 11th house has

centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money.

The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very

evident by your mails.

I AGREE WITH YOU

> All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th

house. Even your death will be related to it.

I AGREE WITH YOU

> I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to

planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot

deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires.

YOU CAN NOT JUST JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN YOU SEE OTHER PLANETS WITH

SUN. IF SUN RULES FOR EXAMPLE 9TH HOUSE THEN CONJUNCTION WITH SUN

WILL BE GOOD.

> Don't you think that all these planets in one house have

made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that.

Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they

were not saying what you wanted to hear.

I WENT TO MORE THAN 100 ASTROLOGERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BECOME MASTER

IN ASTROLOGY.

> Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that

you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of

these houses also affect your health.

THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT I MENTIONED. THE ONLY PLANETS THAT CAN GIVE

ME SICKNESS ARE MARS AND SUN. MARS IS PLACED IN 6TH LORD SUN'S

NAKSHATRA, AND SUN RULES 6TH HOUSE. I WAS SICK FEW TIMES IN SUN

MAHADASHA AND MARS MAHADASHA.

> If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out

more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so

many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs.

Will they not adversely affect your married life?

I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I AM NOT MARRIED AT THE MOMENT, AND ENJOYING

ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS.

> You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the

members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore

keeping a wise silence.

I RECEIVED 30 EMAILS FROM MEMBERS IN JUST 2 HOURS YESTERDAY EVENING

WITH REQUESTS FOR READINGS. THEY ARE NOT SILENT. THEY ARE CONTACTING

ME AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH READING REQUESTS.

> Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter

enters libra and stays there for one year.

JUPITER WILL BE IN 11TH HOUSE FROM NATAL MOON, AND I HAVE 36

ASHTVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. JUPITER HAS 6 ASHTAVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA.

LIBRA IS 8TH FROM LAGNA. I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF I GET INHERITANCE,

LOTTERY IN NEXT 12 MONTHS. SATURN IS IN A VEDA POSITION TO JUPITER

MAY CREATE OBSTRUCTION FOR JUPITER AS I AM SAGGITARIUS ASCENDANT. I

AM GOING TO TEST IF THIS VEDA TECHNIQUE REALLY WORKS OR IT IS JUST

ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IN BOOKS.

>

> All the best,

>

> Ashutosh

>

September 25, 2005

Dear Tanvir ji,

basically it is 2nd to 10th involving self efforts.As 7th from spouse it's

relationsships includes daughter in law and son in law,aprt from paterna

uncles,friends and elder brother.As 9th is Dharma bhava,3rd from it has to be

kama bhava and bring in intitives and boldness to gain results out of 10th i.e

artha bhava.position of numerous plantes dilute significance of the bhava and

sign.

If the issues is with reference to number of planets posited in 11th,the planet

with least longitude has to be winner to bring in significance to kam bhava.

The discussion if centered around gains,every thing has to be a gain.But then

the story of planets has no full stop at any time as it is 6th from 6th.

krishnan

Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

Dear Ashutosh Ji,

Could you please explain how many planets in 11th house gives numerous

relationships? Is it for it is a kama bhava?

Thanks,

Tanvir.

What cannot happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

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Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:22 PM

Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

PLEASE READ MY COMMENTS

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear G.Singh,

>

> Having seven planets in 11th house has

centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money.

The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very

evident by your mails.

I AGREE WITH YOU

> All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th

house. Even your death will be related to it.

I AGREE WITH YOU

> I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to

planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot

deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires.

YOU CAN NOT JUST JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN YOU SEE OTHER PLANETS WITH

SUN. IF SUN RULES FOR EXAMPLE 9TH HOUSE THEN CONJUNCTION WITH SUN

WILL BE GOOD.

> Don't you think that all these planets in one house have

made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that.

Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they

were not saying what you wanted to hear.

I WENT TO MORE THAN 100 ASTROLOGERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BECOME MASTER

IN ASTROLOGY.

> Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that

you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of

these houses also affect your health.

THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT I MENTIONED. THE ONLY PLANETS THAT CAN GIVE

ME SICKNESS ARE MARS AND SUN. MARS IS PLACED IN 6TH LORD SUN'S

NAKSHATRA, AND SUN RULES 6TH HOUSE. I WAS SICK FEW TIMES IN SUN

MAHADASHA AND MARS MAHADASHA.

> If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out

more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so

many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs.

Will they not adversely affect your married life?

I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I AM NOT MARRIED AT THE MOMENT, AND ENJOYING

ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS.

> You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the

members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore

keeping a wise silence.

I RECEIVED 30 EMAILS FROM MEMBERS IN JUST 2 HOURS YESTERDAY EVENING

WITH REQUESTS FOR READINGS. THEY ARE NOT SILENT. THEY ARE CONTACTING

ME AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH READING REQUESTS.

> Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter

enters libra and stays there for one year.

JUPITER WILL BE IN 11TH HOUSE FROM NATAL MOON, AND I HAVE 36

ASHTVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. JUPITER HAS 6 ASHTAVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA.

LIBRA IS 8TH FROM LAGNA. I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF I GET INHERITANCE,

LOTTERY IN NEXT 12 MONTHS. SATURN IS IN A VEDA POSITION TO JUPITER

MAY CREATE OBSTRUCTION FOR JUPITER AS I AM SAGGITARIUS ASCENDANT. I

AM GOING TO TEST IF THIS VEDA TECHNIQUE REALLY WORKS OR IT IS JUST

ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IN BOOKS.

>

> All the best,

>

> Ashutosh

>

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ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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September 25, 2005

Dear Tanvir,

The eleventh house is directly opposite to fifth house, the

house of love-affairs. Any planet in 11th will aspect fifth house. 11th is also

for friends and aquaintances besides money.

Ashutosh

-

Tanvir

Sunday, 25 September, 2005 22:10

Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

Dear Ashutosh Ji,

Could you please explain how many planets in 11th house gives numerous

relationships? Is it for it is a kama bhava?

Thanks,

Tanvir.

What cannot happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

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Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

Where relief and solutions are found

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hbk1hbk_2100

Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:22 PM

Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

PLEASE READ MY COMMENTS

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear G.Singh,

>

> Having seven planets in 11th house has

centered your horoscope in that house, house of friends and money.

The obsession with money and all queries centered on money is very

evident by your mails.

I AGREE WITH YOU

> All your gains and losses will be concerned with 11th

house. Even your death will be related to it.

I AGREE WITH YOU

> I consider nakshatras too but give main importance to

planetary positions and their interaction in main chart. You cannot

deny combustion just because the phenmenon goes against your desires.

YOU CAN NOT JUST JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN YOU SEE OTHER PLANETS WITH

SUN. IF SUN RULES FOR EXAMPLE 9TH HOUSE THEN CONJUNCTION WITH SUN

WILL BE GOOD.

> Don't you think that all these planets in one house have

made you vey confused and going to hundred astrologers proves that.

Why was the need to go to more than hundred astrologers? Because they

were not saying what you wanted to hear.

I WENT TO MORE THAN 100 ASTROLOGERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BECOME MASTER

IN ASTROLOGY.

> Just because 6th, 8th and 12th are empty does not mean that

you will never have any health problems. The planet with the lords of

these houses also affect your health.

THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT I MENTIONED. THE ONLY PLANETS THAT CAN GIVE

ME SICKNESS ARE MARS AND SUN. MARS IS PLACED IN 6TH LORD SUN'S

NAKSHATRA, AND SUN RULES 6TH HOUSE. I WAS SICK FEW TIMES IN SUN

MAHADASHA AND MARS MAHADASHA.

> If you read earlier mails on this group, you will find out

more about viprit rajyoga. Venus has made you lucky in love, but so

many planets in 11th house will also give you numerous love affairs.

Will they not adversely affect your married life?

I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I AM NOT MARRIED AT THE MOMENT, AND ENJOYING

ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS.

> You still have a lot to learn about astrology. Most of the

members in this group have passes your stage and are therefore

keeping a wise silence.

I RECEIVED 30 EMAILS FROM MEMBERS IN JUST 2 HOURS YESTERDAY EVENING

WITH REQUESTS FOR READINGS. THEY ARE NOT SILENT. THEY ARE CONTACTING

ME AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH READING REQUESTS.

> Only time will tell what is right. Take care when jupiter

enters libra and stays there for one year.

JUPITER WILL BE IN 11TH HOUSE FROM NATAL MOON, AND I HAVE 36

ASHTVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA. JUPITER HAS 6 ASHTAVARGA POINTS IN LIBRA.

LIBRA IS 8TH FROM LAGNA. I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF I GET INHERITANCE,

LOTTERY IN NEXT 12 MONTHS. SATURN IS IN A VEDA POSITION TO JUPITER

MAY CREATE OBSTRUCTION FOR JUPITER AS I AM SAGGITARIUS ASCENDANT. I

AM GOING TO TEST IF THIS VEDA TECHNIQUE REALLY WORKS OR IT IS JUST

ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IN BOOKS.

>

> All the best,

>

> Ashutosh

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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September 26, 2005

is my carrer stagnet cuz off mercury with sun in 5 th house debilitated can u

pin point the reson for stagnet please mr singh i live in ny as ur in states

too please help me in this regard any remedy most appriciated and one more

point as u did consult many i did too and confused please do me a favour thank

you, i want some movement and luck in realestate thanks again raj k.

hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:Combustion can only hurt you if sun

rules bad houses 6th 8th and

12th. Also the planet in question does not receive support from other

functional benefics in the chart.

If for example sun rules 9th house and mercury rules 10th house then

sun's conjunction with mercury is very good, in this case mercury

will not be hurt.

G. Singh

, kumar kumar

<kumar07306> wrote:

> mr g. singh i have a questin for u my venus is combusted with

saturn in 4 th house will i have any health problems and mars retro

in 10 house carrer wise stagnent can u analise my chart please

d/b,,15 th march 1965 time 0015 AM hyderabad ap india thanks in

advance hope u help me out takecare raj.k

>

> hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:I know it is difficult, but

I know my chart so well because I studied

> my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not

have

> any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I

> spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques.

> The reason I did not have health problems is that

>

> 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty.

>

> 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd

> and 9th house.

>

> 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house

> and placed in 10th house.

>

> 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed

> in 6th lord sun's nakshatra.

>

> 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th

house.

>

> 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon

> are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money.

>

> You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because

Mars

> is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me

overrall

> happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha.

>

> You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong.

Saturn's

> mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in

> navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn

> mahadasha will be very difficult.

>

> Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three

planets

> will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be

47

> years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be

at

> 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon.

>

> I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional

> astrologer.

>

> If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust.

If

> I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga.

>

> I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in

my

> chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived

rahu

> mahdasha very gracefully.

> I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have

> written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart.

>

> I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times

say

> why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies.

>

> G. Singh

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear G.Singh,

> >

> > It is very difficult for an astrologer to

> correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are

> totally negative or totally positive.

> >

> > You haven't had any health problems because till now you

> have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this

> age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you

> should be careful.

> >

> > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust

> has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be

> beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial

boost

> which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a

> concern.

> >

> > I am a practising professional astrologer with more

> practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth

> detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their

> dasha.

> >

> > 11-jul-1963

> > 11.15am

> > Delhi

> > India

> > 28N39 77E13

> >

> > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period,

> had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as

> mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and

> today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna

lord

> and in its on sign too but is combust.

> >

> > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to

> accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for

> them beforehand instead of denying them completely.

> >

> > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including

> astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have

observed

> in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your

> decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu.

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> > -

> > hbk1hbk_2100

> >

> > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54

> > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

> and all)

> >

> > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated

chart,

> even

> > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making

predictions

> for

> > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together

> > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th

> house

> > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be

> spending my

> > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to

sun

> so

> > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes.

> >

> > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like

> 30. I

> > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time

in

> my

> > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers

> learn

> > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs

> > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish

knowledge.

> > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even

work

> in

> > real life.

> >

> > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting

for

> a

> > bigger windfall.

> > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine

how

> the

> > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is

> just

> > wasting time in astrology field.

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > Dear G.Singh,

> > >

> > > I have observed lots of people who were

> born

> > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some

> of

> > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost

all

> > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have

all

> the

> > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that

> out of

> > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those

> which

> > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust

> ones

> > will also show their negative effects.

> > >

> > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are

> combust

> > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of

> > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga.

> > >

> > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime

> > importance to the strength of planets according to their

> placement in

> > natal chart and other divisional charts.

> > >

> > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not

> call

> > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince

> and a

> > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a

> common

> > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain.

When

> Bill

> > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be

called

> a

> > beneficial gain or rajyoga.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > > -

> > > hbk1hbk_2100

> > >

> > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42

> > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini

> > and all)

> > >

> > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th

house

> is

> > in

> > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In

> order

> > to

> > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I

> have

> > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu

> mercury

> > will

> > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and

bhuktis.

> This

> > is

> > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You

> can

> > ask

> > > rohini ji for their opinion.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > > --- In

, "astrologerashutosh"

> > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > > Dear G.Singh,

> > > >

> > > > Out of these seven planets, only two

> are

> > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for

> > Jupiter-

> > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich.

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > hbk1hbk_2100

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40

> > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> > Rohini

> > > and all)

> > > >

> > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > > >

> > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been

> told

> > by

> > > many

> > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden

> wealth. I

> > > myself

> > > > know astrology very well.

> > > >

> > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the

> 11th

> > > house.

> > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

> Dhanistha

> > in

> > > Mars

> > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

> > promised

> > > by

> > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth

> could

> > come

> > > when

> > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or

JUP/MARS/MERCURY

> > period

> > > or

> > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > > >

> > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

> couple

> > of

> > > days

> > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and

moon

> in

> > 11th

> > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

> > Mercury

> > > in

> > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of

> 5th

> > house

> > > and

> > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury,

> Jupiter,

> > and

> > > Mars

> > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher

level.

> > > >

> > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will

> play

> > > important

> > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

> > nakshatra,

> > > and

> > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet

for

> my

> > > chart. I

> > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other

> memebers.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is given below:

> > > >

> > > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > > 10:03 AM

> > > > Ludhiana, India

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

> > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > > >

> > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses

> contain

> > > doshas?"is

> > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses

having

> > > doshas.May

> > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

> > considerd

> > > as

> > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and

> teaches

> > what

> > > we

> > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings

aspire

> > than

> > > get

> > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the

> vicous

> > > cycle of

> > > > births and deaths.

> > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result

> will be

> > > that we

> > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from

moksha.Attainment

> of

> > > Moksha

> > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through

the

> > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts

is

> > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as

> something

> > lost

> > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three

houses

> > > (2nd,6th

> > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz

lagna,pancham

> and

> > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so

also

> > artha

> > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these

> baiscs of

> > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare

to

> > shape

> > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and

> vairagya.Then

> > we

> > > need

> > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to

gain

> is

> > > kama),one

> > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one

has

> > time to

> > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

> > furthering

> > > his

> > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

> > cycles of

> > > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

> perspective

> > of

> > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

> > attachments

> > > and

> > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper

in

> the

> > > manner

> > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

> > decrimination

> > > to

> > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These

houses

> too

> > may

> > > be

> > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on

our

> > poorva

> > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some

thing

> of

> > the

> > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance

> of

> > > various

> > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > > Astrology,the

> > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the

life

> and

> > > enable

> > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life

> is

> > moksha

> > > but

> > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

> meant

> > for

> > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are

> serving

> > to

> > > the

> > > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all

> human

> > > beings

> > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha

through

> > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

> promote

> > > what

> > > > the native intends.

> > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

> native

> > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

> > ealisation

> > > and

> > > > correct path.

> > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed

> to

> > the

> > > same

> > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness.

> and

> > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three

> being

> > bad

> > > makes

> > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition,

earning,

> each

> > of

> > > > which

> > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG

> SELF

> > > where

> > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the

spiritual

> > > position

> > > > too.

> > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and

> charity

> > [11].

> > > > >

> > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from

which

> > most

> > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not

looking

> for

> > > > astrology

> > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take

that

> > stance.

> > > In

> > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are

> merely

> > > mentioning

> > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or

> half

> > and

> > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

> > fertile

> > > and

> > > > so

> > > > > on in the charts!

> > > > >

> > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the

> remedies,

> > some

> > > of

> > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well

cared

> for

> > and

> > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

> > recent

> > > > addition

> > > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never

and

> will

> > > never

> > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The

poor

> > > wretched

> > > > soul

> > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one

> who

> > will

> > > seek

> > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated

to

> the

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "John"

> > <jr_esq>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar

> I've

> > > attended

> > > > in

> > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika

> Doshas

> > (or

> > > > three

> > > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a

house

> of

> > > desires,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house,

the

> > house

> > > > > signifying

> > > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house,

the

> > house

> > > > > signifying

> > > > > > greed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses,

humans

> > have

> > > the

> > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative

predispositions

> > through

> > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > > respectively.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Rohini

> (Crystal

> > > Pages)"

> > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'.

Some

> > > individuals

> > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the

worldly

> > plane

> > > that

> > > > is.

> > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly

> realm

> > and

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

> > *spiritual*

> > > > growth

> > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the

> time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural

> astrology

> > is

> > > about

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care

about,

> > jobs,

> > > > money,

> > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a

bit

> of

> > > dharma

> > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

> yogas

> > and

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into

> remedies

> > and

> > > > ishta

> > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds

> true!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily

to

> some

> > > extent

> > > > I

> > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

> > efficiently

> > > for

> > > > > > worldly

> > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly

> and

> > > perhaps

> > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some

have

> > really

> > > > worked

> > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional,

> spiritual

> > > mileage

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the

Sages

> > etc.?

> > > Being

> > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

> > explain

> > > the

> > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the

> shlokas

> > (e.g.,

> > > 24-

> > > > > 31)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2,

1995/1997

> > > edition). I

> > > > > > truly

> > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that

> with

> > their

> > > > > female

> > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the

> distorted

> > > version

> > > > that

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear

resemblance

> to

> > the

> > > > > > originally

> > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how

much

> of

> > what

> > > we

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible

> but it

> > is

> > > wise

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that

for

> > worldly

> > > > > things,

> > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems

Approach)

> has

> > > very

> > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since

> then.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat

> <sorry

> > here

> > > I

> > > > go

> > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

> going

> > to

> > > get

> > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

> > lucky --

> > > with

> > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take

> the

> > time

> > > and

> > > > > pick

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

> databases

> > of

> > > good

> > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for

> instance)

> > from

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle --

> and

> > see

> > > how

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during

> dashas,

> > > transits,

> > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to

> work

> > out

> > > > > verbatim

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write

> or

> > > someone

> > > > else

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

> works

> > > great!

> > > > If

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway!

> And

> > if

> > > doubt

> > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will

> motivate

> > to

> > > move

> > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is,

> and

> > you

> > > may

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

> > describes,

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since

> it

> > > describes

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my

> initial

> > query

> > > was

> > > > a

> > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

> > Eleventh

> > > House

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of

> any

> > > planet,

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered

> inauspicious

> > > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

> > spiritual

> > > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

> other..

> > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th

Lordship?

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > >

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Dear G Singh

It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7

planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences. The

potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to

combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry.

When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to

complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful

predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to

learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature

of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very

clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we have

done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out.

My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub

charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should

concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have

strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the

greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul.

All the best

Naci Gulsan

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

<hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

>

> I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by

many

> astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I

myself

> know astrology very well.

>

> I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th

house.

> Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in

Mars

> nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised

by

> Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come

when

> I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period or

> JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

>

> I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of

days

> before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th

> house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury in

> Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house

and

> 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and

Mars

> played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

>

> I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

important

> role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra,

and

> mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my

chart. I

> appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

>

> My birth data is given below:

>

> Feb 3rd, 1962

> 10:03 AM

> Ludhiana, India

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

, vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> > dear John,Rohini and all,

> >

> > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

doshas?"is

> to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

doshas.May

> be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd as

> dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what we

> have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than get

> attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous cycle

of

> births and deaths.

> > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be that

we

> are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of Moksha

> will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost

> > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses(2nd,6th

> and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha

> houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of

> Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape

> ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we

need

> to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

kama),one

> has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to

> to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering

his

> artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of

> janma and mrityu.

> > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of

> worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments

and

> for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the

manner

> the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination

to

> adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may

be

> also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva

> janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the

> whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of various

> 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

Astrology,the

> approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and

enable

> the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha

but

> not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for

> promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to the

> cause of Astrology.

> > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human

beings

> aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote what

> the native intends.

> > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native

> accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation

and

> correct path.

> > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the

same

> path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > krishnan

> >

> > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad

makes

> > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of

> which

> > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF where

> > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual position

> too.

> > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11].

> >

> > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

> > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for

> astrology

> > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance.

In

> > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

mentioning

> > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and

> > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile

and

> so

> > on in the charts!

> >

> > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some

of

> > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and

> > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent

> addition

> > to the list of beneficiaries!

> >

> > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will

never

> > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor wretched

> soul

> > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will

seek

> > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> spiritual

> > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> >

> > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "John" <jr_esq>

wrote:

> > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > >

> > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

attended

> in

> > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or

> three

> > > errors). These are:

> > >

> > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

desires,

> > and

> > > sexual pleasures.

> > >

> > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

> > signifying

> > > meanness and violence.

> > >

> > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

> > signifying

> > > greed.

> > >

> > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have the

> > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

> > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

respectively.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > > , "Rohini (Crystal

Pages)"

> > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

individuals

> > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane

that

> is.

> > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and

that

> > is

> > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual*

> growth

> > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > >

> > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is

about

> > the

> > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs,

> money,

> > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of dharma

> > stuff

> > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

> > > spiritual

> > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and

> ishta

> > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > >

> > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some

extent

> I

> > > say,

> > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently for

> > > worldly

> > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

perhaps

> > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really

> worked

> > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

mileage

> > out

> > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.?

Being

> > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain the

> > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g.,

24-

> > 31)

> > > in

> > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

edition). I

> > > truly

> > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their

> > female

> > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted version

> that

> > > we

> > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

> > > originally

> > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what

we

> > have

> > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is

wise

> > to

> > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > >

> > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly

> > things,

> > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has very

> > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > >

> > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here

I

> go

> > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to

get

> > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky --

with

> > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time

and

> > pick

> > > a

> > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of

good

> > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

> > > different

> > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see

how

> the

> > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

transits,

> > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

> > verbatim

> > > in

> > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > >

> > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or someone

> else

> > > for

> > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works

great!

> If

> > > it

> > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if

doubt

> > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to

move

> > > beyond

> > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you

may

> > even

> > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

> > > astrology

> > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

describes

> > real

> > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query

was

> a

> > > bit

> > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh

House

> > > makes

> > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any planet,

> > > whether

> > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

or 'bad'?

> > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

> > > > aspirations

> > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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September 26, 2005

Dear Ashutosh

I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the

group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What kind

of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out.

Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened.

Kind Regards

Naci Gulsan

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear G.Singh,

>

> I have observed lots of people who were born

in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of

them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all

zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all

the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that

out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those

which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust

ones will also show their negative effects.

>

> It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust

or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of

negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga.

>

> Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime

importance to the strength of planets according to their placement

in natal chart and other divisional charts.

>

> You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call

his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a

prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common

man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When

Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be

called a beneficial gain or rajyoga.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> -

> hbk1hbk_2100

>

> Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42

> Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

and all)

>

> Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is

in

> 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In

order to

> activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have

> jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury

will

> activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis.

This is

> what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can

ask

> rohini ji for their opinion.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear G.Singh,

> >

> > Out of these seven planets, only two are

> strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for

Jupiter-

> saturn dasha. It will make you rich.

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> > -

> > hbk1hbk_2100

> >

> > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40

> > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini

> and all)

> >

> > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> >

> > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told

by

> many

> > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I

> myself

> > know astrology very well.

> >

> > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th

> house.

> > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

Dhanistha in

> Mars

> > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

promised

> by

> > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could

come

> when

> > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

period

> or

> > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> >

> > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

couple of

> days

> > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in

11th

> > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

Mercury

> in

> > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th

house

> and

> > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter,

and

> Mars

> > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> >

> > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> important

> > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

nakshatra,

> and

> > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my

> chart. I

> > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

> >

> > My birth data is given below:

> >

> > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > 10:03 AM

> > Ludhiana, India

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > >

> > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> doshas?"is

> > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> doshas.May

> > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

considerd

> as

> > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches

what

> we

> > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire

than

> get

> > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous

> cycle of

> > births and deaths.

> > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will

be

> that we

> > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

> Moksha

> > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something

lost

> > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> (2nd,6th

> > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

artha

> > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs

of

> > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

shape

> > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then

we

> need

> > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> kama),one

> > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has

time to

> > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

furthering

> his

> > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

cycles of

> > janma and mrityu.

> > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

perspective of

> > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

attachments

> and

> > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in

the

> manner

> > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

decrimination

> to

> > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses

too may

> be

> > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

poorva

> > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of

the

> > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

> various

> > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> Astrology,the

> > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life

and

> enable

> > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is

moksha

> but

> > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

meant for

> > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving

to

> the

> > cause of Astrology.

> > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human

> beings

> > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

promote

> what

> > the native intends.

> > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

native

> > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

ealisation

> and

> > correct path.

> > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to

the

> same

> > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being

bad

> makes

> > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning,

each of

> > which

> > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF

> where

> > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> position

> > too.

> > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity

[11].

> > >

> > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which

most

> > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking

for

> > astrology

> > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

stance.

> In

> > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> mentioning

> > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half

and

> > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

fertile

> and

> > so

> > > on in the charts!

> > >

> > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies,

some

> of

> > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared

for and

> > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

recent

> > addition

> > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > >

> > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and

will

> never

> > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> wretched

> > soul

> > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who

will

> seek

> > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> > spiritual

> > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > >

> > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "John"

<jr_esq>

> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > >

> > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

> attended

> > in

> > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas

(or

> > three

> > > > errors). These are:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> desires,

> > > and

> > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the

house

> > > signifying

> > > > meanness and violence.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the

house

> > > signifying

> > > > greed.

> > > >

> > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans

have

> the

> > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

through

> > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> respectively.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > , "Rohini

(Crystal

> Pages)"

> > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> individuals

> > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly

plane

> that

> > is.

> > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm

and

> that

> > > is

> > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

*spiritual*

> > growth

> > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology

is

> about

> > > the

> > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

jobs,

> > money,

> > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

> dharma

> > > stuff

> > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

yogas and

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies

and

> > ishta

> > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to

some

> extent

> > I

> > > > say,

> > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

efficiently

> for

> > > > worldly

> > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

> perhaps

> > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

really

> > worked

> > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

> mileage

> > > out

> > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

etc.?

> Being

> > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

explain

> the

> > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas

(e.g.,

> 24-

> > > 31)

> > > > in

> > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> edition). I

> > > > truly

> > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with

their

> > > female

> > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

> version

> > that

> > > > we

> > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to

the

> > > > originally

> > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of

what

> we

> > > have

> > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but

it is

> wise

> > > to

> > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

worldly

> > > things,

> > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach)

has

> very

> > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > >

> > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry

here

> I

> > go

> > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

going to

> get

> > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

lucky --

> with

> > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the

time

> and

> > > pick

> > > > a

> > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

databases of

> good

> > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance)

from

> > > > different

> > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and

see

> how

> > the

> > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> transits,

> > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work

out

> > > verbatim

> > > > in

> > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

> someone

> > else

> > > > for

> > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

works

> great!

> > If

> > > > it

> > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And

if

> doubt

> > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate

to

> move

> > > > beyond

> > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and

you

> may

> > > even

> > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

describes,

> > > > astrology

> > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> describes

> > > real

> > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

, "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial

query

> was

> > a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

Eleventh

> House

> > > > makes

> > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

> planet,

> > > > whether

> > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

> or 'bad'?

> > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

spiritual

> > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

other..

> > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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When you have 7 planets together it is difficult to determine the net

effect. That is why these astrologers make mistakes. If you go back

and check the horoscopes of Hyder Ali, Chengaz Khan they also had 7

planets together. Hyder ali had 7 planets in second house, chengez

khan had 7 planets in 3rd house of courage. The combustion did not

work in their cases. The combustion does not work when sun is with 6

other planets. In my case they are in 11th house. They give you high

ambitions. Mars makes you assertive, aggressive because mars is

exalted here. The person will see extreme good and extreme bad in

life. I have seen in my case either people love me or they hate me so

much that they can't stand me. The reason my raj yoga was delayed

because I had to go through Rahu mahadasha for last 18 years. Rahu is

in 8th house from natal moon and aspects all 7 planets in 11th house.

So rahu was kind of keeping a check on all 7 planets.

In your case they are in 7th house so it will be different. I came

acrosss a chart in US where they are all in 6th house. The person

spent all his life in hospital with so many diseases.

Regards

G. Singh

, "dervish108"

<dervish108> wrote:

>

> Dear G Singh

>

> It is very easy for me to understand your frustration. I have 7

> planets in the 7th house. I have been going similar experiences.

The

> potential (of doing or achieving many things) is there due to

> combustions we can't see the full outcome, that makes us angry.

> When I found out that there was a great relieve. Due to

> complication, there aren`t many astrologers with successful

> predictions. I do not go to Jyotishies any more, I am trying to

> learn it myself as it is indicated in my chart. That is the nature

> of our carts. As long as we natives can see, the massage is very

> clear, karmic indications are very strong. I don`t know what we

have

> done in the past, All I am doing is working hard to find out.

> My humble suggest to you, you might aware of that, go to the sub

> charts, amsha charts. There is more in there then D1. You should

> concentrate on Karakamsha, rather then 11th house matters, you have

> strong Spiritual growth, Ke is with your AK,. I think that is the

> greatest advantage one should expect from one`s soul.

>

> All the best

>

> Naci Gulsan

>

, "hbk1hbk_2100"

> <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> >

> > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told by

> many

> > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I

> myself

> > know astrology very well.

> >

> > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th

> house.

> > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in Dhanistha in

> Mars

> > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results promised

> by

> > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could come

> when

> > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY period

or

> > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> >

> > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born couple of

> days

> > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in 11th

> > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu Mercury

in

> > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th house

> and

> > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter, and

> Mars

> > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> >

> > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> important

> > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars nakshatra,

> and

> > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my

> chart. I

> > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

> >

> > My birth data is given below:

> >

> > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > 10:03 AM

> > Ludhiana, India

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > >

> > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> doshas?"is

> > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> doshas.May

> > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be considerd

as

> > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches what

we

> > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire than

get

> > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous

cycle

> of

> > births and deaths.

> > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will be

that

> we

> > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

Moksha

> > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something lost

> > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

(2nd,6th

> > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also artha

> > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs of

> > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to shape

> > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then we

> need

> > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> kama),one

> > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has time to

> > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of furthering

> his

> > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious cycles of

> > janma and mrityu.

> > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that perspective of

> > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some attachments

> and

> > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in the

> manner

> > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for decrimination

> to

> > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses too may

> be

> > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our poorva

> > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of the

> > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

various

> > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> Astrology,the

> > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life and

> enable

> > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is moksha

> but

> > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just meant for

> > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving to

the

> > cause of Astrology.

> > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human

> beings

> > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly promote

what

> > the native intends.

> > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the native

> > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self ealisation

> and

> > correct path.

> > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to the

> same

> > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being bad

> makes

> > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, each of

> > which

> > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF

where

> > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

position

> > too.

> > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity [11].

> > >

> > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which most

> > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking for

> > astrology

> > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that stance.

> In

> > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> mentioning

> > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half and

> > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, fertile

> and

> > so

> > > on in the charts!

> > >

> > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies, some

> of

> > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared for and

> > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more recent

> > addition

> > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > >

> > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and will

> never

> > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

wretched

> > soul

> > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who will

> seek

> > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> > spiritual

> > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > >

> > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "John" <jr_esq>

> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > >

> > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

> attended

> > in

> > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas (or

> > three

> > > > errors). These are:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> desires,

> > > and

> > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the house

> > > signifying

> > > > meanness and violence.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the house

> > > signifying

> > > > greed.

> > > >

> > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans have

the

> > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions through

> > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> respectively.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > , "Rohini (Crystal

> Pages)"

> > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> individuals

> > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly plane

> that

> > is.

> > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm and

> that

> > > is

> > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from *spiritual*

> > growth

> > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology is

> about

> > > the

> > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, jobs,

> > money,

> > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

dharma

> > > stuff

> > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic yogas and

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies and

> > ishta

> > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to some

> extent

> > I

> > > > say,

> > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite efficiently

for

> > > > worldly

> > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

> perhaps

> > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have really

> > worked

> > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

> mileage

> > > out

> > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages etc.?

> Being

> > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please explain

the

> > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas (e.g.,

> 24-

> > > 31)

> > > > in

> > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> edition). I

> > > > truly

> > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with their

> > > female

> > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

version

> > that

> > > > we

> > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to the

> > > > originally

> > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of what

> we

> > > have

> > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but it is

> wise

> > > to

> > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for worldly

> > > things,

> > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) has

very

> > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > >

> > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry here

> I

> > go

> > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are going to

> get

> > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are lucky --

> with

> > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the time

> and

> > > pick

> > > > a

> > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that databases of

> good

> > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance) from

> > > > different

> > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and see

> how

> > the

> > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> transits,

> > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work out

> > > verbatim

> > > > in

> > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

someone

> > else

> > > > for

> > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it works

> great!

> > If

> > > > it

> > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And if

> doubt

> > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate to

> move

> > > > beyond

> > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and you

> may

> > > even

> > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it describes,

> > > > astrology

> > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> describes

> > > real

> > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial query

> was

> > a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of Eleventh

> House

> > > > makes

> > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

planet,

> > > > whether

> > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

> or 'bad'?

> > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and spiritual

> > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each other..

> > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > >

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September 26, 2005

Dear Ashutosh Ji -

I see many speak about 5th house being related to love affairs, but I have not

come along a chart that practically shows this through dasa bhukti or something.

Of course I have not did a research stuff on this to be sure / confirm, but I

think if it would be true, I could have noted this.

Western astrology speaks about this more. To me 5th is the house of mental

inclination, things a person takes interest in (and also has skills in etc.) but

is it about love affairs? Not sure.

Do you personally believe / found out through practice/experience that it stands

for love affairs? I am not challenging you, but I am curious to know whether you

found it through experience, for I find your views experience-oriented and I

like most of them.

Regards

Tanvir

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Monday, September 26, 2005 9:40 AM

Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

Dear Tanvir,

The eleventh house is directly opposite to fifth house, the

house of love-affairs. Any planet in 11th will aspect fifth house. 11th is also

for friends and aquaintances besides money.

Ashutosh

September 26, 2005

Dear Krishnan Ji -

Thanks for your answers. Perhaps I was not clear to explain my question. I

understand your bhavat bhavam stuff and involvement of self efforts, son in law,

boldness etc. I agree to them, too. But I was asking how can many planets in

11th house can offer numerous relationship? Ashutosh Ji already has provided his

expert view but also any other ideas of course welcome...

Thanks,

Tanvir

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Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:34 PM

Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

Dear Tanvir ji,

basically it is 2nd to 10th involving self efforts.As 7th from spouse it's

relationsships includes daughter in law and son in law,aprt from paterna

uncles,friends and elder brother.As 9th is Dharma bhava,3rd from it has to be

kama bhava and bring in intitives and boldness to gain results out of 10th i.e

artha bhava.position of numerous plantes dilute significance of the bhava and

sign.

If the issues is with reference to number of planets posited in 11th,the

planet with least longitude has to be winner to bring in significance to kam

bhava.

The discussion if centered around gains,every thing has to be a gain.But then

the story of planets has no full stop at any time as it is 6th from 6th.

krishnan

September 26, 2005

Dear Naci

It also happened in again perhaps in 2002 but why it happened ? No answer. But I

am also suffering from karmic dogma of 1962. I have 7 planets in 8 th house. I

love reading books. but i am a confused person. I have not found any

satisfactory job of my taste. I am not professionally a stable person at all. I

am also not a clever person. I am not assertive but i may love to write and

speak on. I can work hard in intellectual ares. I dont like to meet professional

astrolgers due to their greed. So i have not visited any of professional

astrologer. I love to discuss. I not socially aggressive person. I quickly can

be angered. I am sensitive and i feel hurt when people don't understand. I have

give few of points of my personality to understand 7plantery kundli.

If you can add to it.................

Pankaj sharma

25th jan 1962

15.55

Rampuraphul Punjab India

dervish108 <dervish108 wrote:

Dear Ashutosh

I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the

group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What kind

of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out.

Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened.

Kind Regards

Naci Gulsan

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> Dear G.Singh,

>

> I have observed lots of people who were born

in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of

them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all

zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all

the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that

out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those

which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust

ones will also show their negative effects.

>

> It all depends whether the functional benefics are combust

or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of

negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga.

>

> Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime

importance to the strength of planets according to their placement

in natal chart and other divisional charts.

>

> You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not call

his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and a

prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a common

man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When

Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be

called a beneficial gain or rajyoga.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> -

> hbk1hbk_2100

>

> Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42

> Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

and all)

>

> Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is

in

> 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In

order to

> activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have

> jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury

will

> activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis.

This is

> what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can

ask

> rohini ji for their opinion.

>

> Regards

>

> G. Singh

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear G.Singh,

> >

> > Out of these seven planets, only two are

> strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for

Jupiter-

> saturn dasha. It will make you rich.

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> > -

> > hbk1hbk_2100

> >

> > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40

> > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini

> and all)

> >

> > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> >

> > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been told

by

> many

> > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth. I

> myself

> > know astrology very well.

> >

> > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the 11th

> house.

> > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

Dhanistha in

> Mars

> > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

promised

> by

> > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could

come

> when

> > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

period

> or

> > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> >

> > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

couple of

> days

> > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in

11th

> > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

Mercury

> in

> > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th

house

> and

> > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter,

and

> Mars

> > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> >

> > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> important

> > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

nakshatra,

> and

> > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for my

> chart. I

> > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other memebers.

> >

> > My birth data is given below:

> >

> > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > 10:03 AM

> > Ludhiana, India

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > >

> > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> doshas?"is

> > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> doshas.May

> > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

considerd

> as

> > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches

what

> we

> > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire

than

> get

> > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the vicous

> cycle of

> > births and deaths.

> > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will

be

> that we

> > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

> Moksha

> > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as something

lost

> > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> (2nd,6th

> > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham and

> > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

artha

> > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs

of

> > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

shape

> > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then

we

> need

> > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> kama),one

> > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has

time to

> > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

furthering

> his

> > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

cycles of

> > janma and mrityu.

> > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

perspective of

> > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

attachments

> and

> > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in

the

> manner

> > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

decrimination

> to

> > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses

too may

> be

> > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

poorva

> > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing of

the

> > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

> various

> > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> Astrology,the

> > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life

and

> enable

> > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is

moksha

> but

> > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

meant for

> > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving

to

> the

> > cause of Astrology.

> > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all human

> beings

> > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

promote

> what

> > the native intends.

> > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

native

> > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

ealisation

> and

> > correct path.

> > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to

the

> same

> > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being

bad

> makes

> > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning,

each of

> > which

> > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG SELF

> where

> > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> position

> > too.

> > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and charity

[11].

> > >

> > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which

most

> > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking

for

> > astrology

> > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

stance.

> In

> > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> mentioning

> > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or half

and

> > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

fertile

> and

> > so

> > > on in the charts!

> > >

> > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the remedies,

some

> of

> > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared

for and

> > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

recent

> > addition

> > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > >

> > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and

will

> never

> > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> wretched

> > soul

> > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who

will

> seek

> > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to the

> > spiritual

> > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > >

> > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "John"

<jr_esq>

> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > >

> > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

> attended

> > in

> > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika Doshas

(or

> > three

> > > > errors). These are:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> desires,

> > > and

> > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the

house

> > > signifying

> > > > meanness and violence.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the

house

> > > signifying

> > > > greed.

> > > >

> > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans

have

> the

> > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

through

> > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> respectively.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > , "Rohini

(Crystal

> Pages)"

> > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> individuals

> > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly

plane

> that

> > is.

> > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly realm

and

> that

> > > is

> > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

*spiritual*

> > growth

> > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology

is

> about

> > > the

> > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

jobs,

> > money,

> > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

> dharma

> > > stuff

> > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

yogas and

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into remedies

and

> > ishta

> > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds true!

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to

some

> extent

> > I

> > > > say,

> > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

efficiently

> for

> > > > worldly

> > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

> perhaps

> > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

really

> > worked

> > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, spiritual

> mileage

> > > out

> > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

etc.?

> Being

> > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

explain

> the

> > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas

(e.g.,

> 24-

> > > 31)

> > > > in

> > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> edition). I

> > > > truly

> > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with

their

> > > female

> > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

> version

> > that

> > > > we

> > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to

the

> > > > originally

> > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much of

what

> we

> > > have

> > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but

it is

> wise

> > > to

> > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

worldly

> > > things,

> > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach)

has

> very

> > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > >

> > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat <sorry

here

> I

> > go

> > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

going to

> get

> > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

lucky --

> with

> > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the

time

> and

> > > pick

> > > > a

> > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

databases of

> good

> > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for instance)

from

> > > > different

> > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and

see

> how

> > the

> > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> transits,

> > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work

out

> > > verbatim

> > > > in

> > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

> someone

> > else

> > > > for

> > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

works

> great!

> > If

> > > > it

> > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And

if

> doubt

> > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will motivate

to

> move

> > > > beyond

> > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and

you

> may

> > > even

> > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

describes,

> > > > astrology

> > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> describes

> > > real

> > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

, "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial

query

> was

> > a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

Eleventh

> House

> > > > makes

> > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

> planet,

> > > > whether

> > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered inauspicious

> or 'bad'?

> > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

spiritual

> > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

other..

> > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > >

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Namaste Pankaj and all,

When several planets are in conjunction in one sign, it is difficult

to use the rashi chart for prediction purposes. The jyotishis should

use the varga charts for more information, i.e. navamsha chart for

better assessment of the planetary configurations relating to the

person and marriage life; the dasamsha chart for finer details

relating to the field of work and career.

Regards,

John R

, pankaj sharma

<astrologerpankaj> wrote:

> Dear Naci

> It also happened in again perhaps in 2002 but why it happened ? No

answer. But I am also suffering from karmic dogma of 1962. I have 7

planets in 8 th house. I love reading books. but i am a confused

person. I have not found any satisfactory job of my taste. I am not

professionally a stable person at all. I am also not a clever person.

I am not assertive but i may love to write and speak on. I can work

hard in intellectual ares. I dont like to meet professional

astrolgers due to their greed. So i have not visited any of

professional astrologer. I love to discuss. I not socially aggressive

person. I quickly can be angered. I am sensitive and i feel hurt when

people don't understand. I have give few of points of my personality

to understand 7plantery kundli.

> If you can add to it.................

> Pankaj sharma

> 25th jan 1962

> 15.55

> Rampuraphul Punjab India

>

> dervish108 <dervish108> wrote:

> Dear Ashutosh

>

> I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the

> group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What kind

> of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out.

> Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened.

>

> Kind Regards

>

> Naci Gulsan

>

, "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > Dear G.Singh,

> >

> > I have observed lots of people who were born

> in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some of

> them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all

> zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all

> the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that

> out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those

> which are not combust have given them the good results. The combust

> ones will also show their negative effects.

> >

> > It all depends whether the functional benefics are

combust

> or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of

> negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga.

> >

> > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime

> importance to the strength of planets according to their placement

> in natal chart and other divisional charts.

> >

> > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not

call

> his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince and

a

> prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a

common

> man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When

> Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be

> called a beneficial gain or rajyoga.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> > -

> > hbk1hbk_2100

> >

> > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42

> > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini

> and all)

> >

> > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house is

> in

> > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In

> order to

> > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I have

> > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu mercury

> will

> > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis.

> This is

> > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You can

> ask

> > rohini ji for their opinion.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > Dear G.Singh,

> > >

> > > Out of these seven planets, only two are

> > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for

> Jupiter-

> > saturn dasha. It will make you rich.

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > > -

> > > hbk1hbk_2100

> > >

> > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40

> > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> Rohini

> > and all)

> > >

> > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > >

> > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been

told

> by

> > many

> > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden wealth.

I

> > myself

> > > know astrology very well.

> > >

> > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the

11th

> > house.

> > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

> Dhanistha in

> > Mars

> > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

> promised

> > by

> > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth could

> come

> > when

> > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

> period

> > or

> > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > >

> > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

> couple of

> > days

> > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon in

> 11th

> > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

> Mercury

> > in

> > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of 5th

> house

> > and

> > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, Jupiter,

> and

> > Mars

> > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> > >

> > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will play

> > important

> > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

> nakshatra,

> > and

> > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for

my

> > chart. I

> > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other

memebers.

> > >

> > > My birth data is given below:

> > >

> > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > 10:03 AM

> > > Ludhiana, India

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > >

> > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses contain

> > doshas?"is

> > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> > doshas.May

> > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

> considerd

> > as

> > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and teaches

> what

> > we

> > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire

> than

> > get

> > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the

vicous

> > cycle of

> > > births and deaths.

> > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result will

> be

> > that we

> > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment of

> > Moksha

> > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as

something

> lost

> > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> > (2nd,6th

> > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham

and

> > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

> artha

> > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these baiscs

> of

> > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

> shape

> > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and vairagya.Then

> we

> > need

> > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain is

> > kama),one

> > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has

> time to

> > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

> furthering

> > his

> > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

> cycles of

> > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

> perspective of

> > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

> attachments

> > and

> > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in

> the

> > manner

> > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

> decrimination

> > to

> > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses

> too may

> > be

> > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

> poorva

> > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing

of

> the

> > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance of

> > various

> > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > Astrology,the

> > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life

> and

> > enable

> > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life is

> moksha

> > but

> > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

> meant for

> > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are serving

> to

> > the

> > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all

human

> > beings

> > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

> promote

> > what

> > > the native intends.

> > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

> native

> > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

> ealisation

> > and

> > > correct path.

> > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed to

> the

> > same

> > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. and

> > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three being

> bad

> > makes

> > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning,

> each of

> > > which

> > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG

SELF

> > where

> > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> > position

> > > too.

> > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and

charity

> [11].

> > > >

> > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which

> most

> > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking

> for

> > > astrology

> > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

> stance.

> > In

> > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are merely

> > mentioning

> > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or

half

> and

> > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

> fertile

> > and

> > > so

> > > > on in the charts!

> > > >

> > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the

remedies,

> some

> > of

> > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared

> for and

> > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

> recent

> > > addition

> > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > >

> > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and

> will

> > never

> > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> > wretched

> > > soul

> > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one who

> will

> > seek

> > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to

the

> > > spiritual

> > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > >

> > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "John"

> <jr_esq>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > >

> > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar I've

> > attended

> > > in

> > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika

Doshas

> (or

> > > three

> > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house of

> > desires,

> > > > and

> > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the

> house

> > > > signifying

> > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the

> house

> > > > signifying

> > > > > greed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans

> have

> > the

> > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

> through

> > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > respectively.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Rohini

> (Crystal

> > Pages)"

> > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> > individuals

> > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly

> plane

> > that

> > > is.

> > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly

realm

> and

> > that

> > > > is

> > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

> *spiritual*

> > > growth

> > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural astrology

> is

> > about

> > > > the

> > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

> jobs,

> > > money,

> > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit of

> > dharma

> > > > stuff

> > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

> yogas and

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into

remedies

> and

> > > ishta

> > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds

true!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to

> some

> > extent

> > > I

> > > > > say,

> > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

> efficiently

> > for

> > > > > worldly

> > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly and

> > perhaps

> > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

> really

> > > worked

> > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional,

spiritual

> > mileage

> > > > out

> > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

> etc.?

> > Being

> > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

> explain

> > the

> > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the shlokas

> (e.g.,

> > 24-

> > > > 31)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> > edition). I

> > > > > truly

> > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that with

> their

> > > > female

> > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the distorted

> > version

> > > that

> > > > > we

> > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance to

> the

> > > > > originally

> > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much

of

> what

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible but

> it is

> > wise

> > > > to

> > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

> worldly

> > > > things,

> > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach)

> has

> > very

> > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since then.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat

<sorry

> here

> > I

> > > go

> > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

> going to

> > get

> > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

> lucky --

> > with

> > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take the

> time

> > and

> > > > pick

> > > > > a

> > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

> databases of

> > good

> > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for

instance)

> from

> > > > > different

> > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- and

> see

> > how

> > > the

> > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during dashas,

> > transits,

> > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to work

> out

> > > > verbatim

> > > > > in

> > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write or

> > someone

> > > else

> > > > > for

> > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

> works

> > great!

> > > If

> > > > > it

> > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! And

> if

> > doubt

> > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will

motivate

> to

> > move

> > > > > beyond

> > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, and

> you

> > may

> > > > even

> > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

> describes,

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since it

> > describes

> > > > real

> > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

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> > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my initial

> query

> > was

> > > a

> > > > > bit

> > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

> Eleventh

> > House

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of any

> > planet,

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered

inauspicious

> > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

> spiritual

> > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

> other..

> > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

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This has potential for confusing some people, hence I ask. Hope you

do not take this the wrong way?

Are you saying that the use of vargas is even more important and

decisive in such cases of multiple planets in a house (as well as

twins, for instance -- I add!) or are you saying that vargas are of

significance only in these cases and not where planets are more

widely distributed.

Both interprets intrigue me in a good way. The first one is more

understandable but the second one is even more intriguing!

Mind you I am just probing and exploring ...

RR

, "John" <jr_esq> wrote:

> Namaste Pankaj and all,

>

> When several planets are in conjunction in one sign, it is

difficult

> to use the rashi chart for prediction purposes. The jyotishis

should

> use the varga charts for more information, i.e. navamsha chart for

> better assessment of the planetary configurations relating to the

> person and marriage life; the dasamsha chart for finer details

> relating to the field of work and career.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R

>

> , pankaj sharma

> <astrologerpankaj> wrote:

> > Dear Naci

> > It also happened in again perhaps in 2002 but why it happened ?

No

> answer. But I am also suffering from karmic dogma of 1962. I have 7

> planets in 8 th house. I love reading books. but i am a confused

> person. I have not found any satisfactory job of my taste. I am not

> professionally a stable person at all. I am also not a clever

person.

> I am not assertive but i may love to write and speak on. I can work

> hard in intellectual ares. I dont like to meet professional

> astrolgers due to their greed. So i have not visited any of

> professional astrologer. I love to discuss. I not socially

aggressive

> person. I quickly can be angered. I am sensitive and i feel hurt

when

> people don't understand. I have give few of points of my

personality

> to understand 7plantery kundli.

> > If you can add to it.................

> > Pankaj sharma

> > 25th jan 1962

> > 15.55

> > Rampuraphul Punjab India

> >

> > dervish108 <dervish108> wrote:

> > Dear Ashutosh

> >

> > I have 7 planets in the 7th, Could you tell me or anybody in the

> > group the real reason why this happened in Jan-Fab 1962. What

kind

> > of change experienced in that time. So far I haven't found out.

> > Surely there must be somebody out there who knows why it happened.

> >

> > Kind Regards

> >

> > Naci Gulsan

> >

> > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > Dear G.Singh,

> > >

> > > I have observed lots of people who were

born

> > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some

of

> > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all

> > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all

> > the riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is

that

> > out of these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only

those

> > which are not combust have given them the good results. The

combust

> > ones will also show their negative effects.

> > >

> > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are

> combust

> > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of

> > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga.

> > >

> > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime

> > importance to the strength of planets according to their

placement

> > in natal chart and other divisional charts.

> > >

> > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not

> call

> > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince

and

> a

> > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a

> common

> > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When

> > Bill gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be

> > called a beneficial gain or rajyoga.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > > -

> > > hbk1hbk_2100

> > >

> > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42

> > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

Rohini

> > and all)

> > >

> > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house

is

> > in

> > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In

> > order to

> > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I

have

> > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu

mercury

> > will

> > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis.

> > This is

> > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You

can

> > ask

> > > rohini ji for their opinion.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > G. Singh

> > >

> > > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote:

> > > > Dear G.Singh,

> > > >

> > > > Out of these seven planets, only two

are

> > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for

> > Jupiter-

> > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich.

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > hbk1hbk_2100

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40

> > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for

> > Rohini

> > > and all)

> > > >

> > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members,

> > > >

> > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been

> told

> > by

> > > many

> > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden

wealth.

> I

> > > myself

> > > > know astrology very well.

> > > >

> > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the

> 11th

> > > house.

> > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in

> > Dhanistha in

> > > Mars

> > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results

> > promised

> > > by

> > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth

could

> > come

> > > when

> > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY

> > period

> > > or

> > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period.

> > > >

> > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born

> > couple of

> > > days

> > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon

in

> > 11th

> > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu

> > Mercury

> > > in

> > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of

5th

> > house

> > > and

> > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in

> > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury,

Jupiter,

> > and

> > > Mars

> > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level.

> > > >

> > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will

play

> > > important

> > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars

> > nakshatra,

> > > and

> > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for

> my

> > > chart. I

> > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other

> memebers.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is given below:

> > > >

> > > > Feb 3rd, 1962

> > > > 10:03 AM

> > > > Ludhiana, India

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > dear John,Rohini and all,

> > > > >

> > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses

contain

> > > doshas?"is

> > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having

> > > doshas.May

> > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be

> > considerd

> > > as

> > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and

teaches

> > what

> > > we

> > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire

> > than

> > > get

> > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the

> vicous

> > > cycle of

> > > > births and deaths.

> > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result

will

> > be

> > > that we

> > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment

of

> > > Moksha

> > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the

> > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is

> > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as

> something

> > lost

> > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses

> > > (2nd,6th

> > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham

> and

> > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also

> > artha

> > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these

baiscs

> > of

> > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to

> > shape

> > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and

vairagya.Then

> > we

> > > need

> > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain

is

> > > kama),one

> > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has

> > time to

> > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of

> > furthering

> > > his

> > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious

> > cycles of

> > > > janma and mrityu.

> > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that

> > perspective of

> > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some

> > attachments

> > > and

> > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in

> > the

> > > manner

> > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for

> > decrimination

> > > to

> > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses

> > too may

> > > be

> > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our

> > poorva

> > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing

> of

> > the

> > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty

> > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance

of

> > > various

> > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of

> > > Astrology,the

> > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life

> > and

> > > enable

> > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life

is

> > moksha

> > > but

> > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just

> > meant for

> > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are

serving

> > to

> > > the

> > > > cause of Astrology.

> > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all

> human

> > > beings

> > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through

> > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly

> > promote

> > > what

> > > > the native intends.

> > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the

> > native

> > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self

> > ealisation

> > > and

> > > > correct path.

> > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed

to

> > the

> > > same

> > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness.

and

> > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three

being

> > bad

> > > makes

> > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning,

> > each of

> > > > which

> > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG

> SELF

> > > where

> > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual

> > > position

> > > > too.

> > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be

> > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and

> charity

> > [11].

> > > > >

> > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which

> > most

> > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking

> > for

> > > > astrology

> > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that

> > stance.

> > > In

> > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are

merely

> > > mentioning

> > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or

> half

> > and

> > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous,

> > fertile

> > > and

> > > > so

> > > > > on in the charts!

> > > > >

> > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the

> remedies,

> > some

> > > of

> > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared

> > for and

> > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more

> > recent

> > > > addition

> > > > > to the list of beneficiaries!

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and

> > will

> > > never

> > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor

> > > wretched

> > > > soul

> > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one

who

> > will

> > > seek

> > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to

> the

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted!

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "John"

> > <jr_esq>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar

I've

> > > attended

> > > > in

> > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika

> Doshas

> > (or

> > > > three

> > > > > > errors). These are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house

of

> > > desires,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > sexual pleasures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the

> > house

> > > > > signifying

> > > > > > meanness and violence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the

> > house

> > > > > signifying

> > > > > > greed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans

> > have

> > > the

> > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions

> > through

> > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas

> > > respectively.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Rohini

> > (Crystal

> > > Pages)"

> > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some

> > > individuals

> > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly

> > plane

> > > that

> > > > is.

> > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly

> realm

> > and

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from

> > *spiritual*

> > > > growth

> > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the

time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural

astrology

> > is

> > > about

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about,

> > jobs,

> > > > money,

> > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit

of

> > > dharma

> > > > > stuff

> > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic

> > yogas and

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into

> remedies

> > and

> > > > ishta

> > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds

> true!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to

> > some

> > > extent

> > > > I

> > > > > > say,

> > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite

> > efficiently

> > > for

> > > > > > worldly

> > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly

and

> > > perhaps

> > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have

> > really

> > > > worked

> > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional,

> spiritual

> > > mileage

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages

> > etc.?

> > > Being

> > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please

> > explain

> > > the

> > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the

shlokas

> > (e.g.,

> > > 24-

> > > > > 31)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997

> > > edition). I

> > > > > > truly

> > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that

with

> > their

> > > > > female

> > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the

distorted

> > > version

> > > > that

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance

to

> > the

> > > > > > originally

> > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much

> of

> > what

> > > we

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible

but

> > it is

> > > wise

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > ignore the possibility?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for

> > worldly

> > > > > things,

> > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach)

> > has

> > > very

> > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since

then.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat

> <sorry

> > here

> > > I

> > > > go

> > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are

> > going to

> > > get

> > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are

> > lucky --

> > > with

> > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take

the

> > time

> > > and

> > > > > pick

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that

> > databases of

> > > good

> > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for

> instance)

> > from

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle --

and

> > see

> > > how

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during

dashas,

> > > transits,

> > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to

work

> > out

> > > > > verbatim

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write

or

> > > someone

> > > > else

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it

> > works

> > > great!

> > > > If

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway!

And

> > if

> > > doubt

> > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will

> motivate

> > to

> > > move

> > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is,

and

> > you

> > > may

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it

> > describes,

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since

it

> > > describes

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani,

> > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my

initial

> > query

> > > was

> > > > a

> > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > cryptic.

> > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of

> > Eleventh

> > > House

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart.

> > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of

any

> > > planet,

> > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement.

> > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered

> inauspicious

> > > or 'bad'?

> > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and

> > spiritual

> > > > > > > aspirations

> > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each

> > other..

> > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship?

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

> > AND

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September 26, 2005

Dear Tanvir,

when we talk of 5th as 7th to 11th,we need ofcourse give priority to

intellect,poorva janma irrespective of parctical issues and the natives

experiences.Love offairs and relations may be coming up from other divisional

charts.certainly natal implication as the indicate in the basic charts and the

palneatary relationships have lot of significance in the life of any native.if

practically situations differ,it is 'coz of significance in divisional cahrts.

regards

krishan

Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

Dear Krishnan Ji -

Thanks for your answers. Perhaps I was not clear to explain my question. I

understand your bhavat bhavam stuff and involvement of self efforts, son in law,

boldness etc. I agree to them, too. But I was asking how can many planets in

11th house can offer numerous relationship? Ashutosh Ji already has provided his

expert view but also any other ideas of course welcome...

Thanks,

Tanvir

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Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:34 PM

Re: Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini and all)

Dear Tanvir ji,

basically it is 2nd to 10th involving self efforts.As 7th from spouse it's

relationsships includes daughter in law and son in law,aprt from paterna

uncles,friends and elder brother.As 9th is Dharma bhava,3rd from it has to be

kama bhava and bring in intitives and boldness to gain results out of 10th i.e

artha bhava.position of numerous plantes dilute significance of the bhava and

sign.

If the issues is with reference to number of planets posited in 11th,the

planet with least longitude has to be winner to bring in significance to kam

bhava.

The discussion if centered around gains,every thing has to be a gain.But then

the story of planets has no full stop at any time as it is 6th from 6th.

krishnan

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September 26, 2005

Dear Naci,

Very wise words and truly appreciable. You have all seven

planets in 7th house. That means your thoughts and life revolves around people

close to you. I am sure that you are highly perceptive and intuitive about other

people. You can attain great heights in astrology.

Why seven planets are not very beneficial? Because of the fact that some

of them are combust. If Mr. G.Singh had only mars and saturn in capricorn in

11th house, he would have had more financial gains than what he is having now.

Other planets rule different houses, some of which are malefic. They give their

negative effects thus lowering the benefits of the beneficial ones.

It is like drinking a mixture of cold water, milk, hot tea, hot coffee,

beer, scotch, petrol and acid. What results will such a mixture have.

Seven planets in one house sound and feel very good. The native has a

very charming personality and is teeming with energy and ideas. But, mostly,

such combinations destroy family life and take away the small but beautiful

pleasures of life.

What is the use of riches if one does not have a family to share them. A

single spouse who is loving, caring and dedicated is better than a thousand

lovers.

In ninety percent of such cases, the native does not live beyond fifty

years of age.

Many people wear navgraha rings or perform navgraha pooja. That too is a

useless activity. Not all of the nine planets can be beneficial or malefic for

any one person. The result is always zero.

Regards,

Ashutosh

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Monday, 26 September, 2005 18:42