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. check this bhiro you say that i crying like a child for info but is this not your post :rolleyes: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: lets be honest you want to make me look bad to highlight your self but you also beg for info but why ask for it on the internet ask you guru. you like salt you want to be in everything. <!-- / message -->

you dont have to be sorry people have different ways of get mother just like a city has many roads but all lead to the same place.its the same thing some people have different methods of recieveing mothers blessings but some poeple think that there way is the best and only way. take for instance i told u to fast for 108 days without salt then you would of tried it a probably fainted or end up in the hospital because you so accustom wit eating salt that you wouldve shocked your body with the lack of salt so you need to take it in steps first start off with one day then when you get accustom you fast for 21, then 53 and finally your body will be propered to go for 108 days without salt doesnt that make sense to you. orr and i have nothing against pujari 5 i just dont like poeple critizing other people's methods of doing worship. and about the varishnavas i just told you some facts i didnt tell you everyting bout them its to much info and i broke it down in layman's threme's for you so you can understand most people might not understand everything he wrote there. but the worship i told you i gave the same to about 6 other people and it worked so its up to you. jai maa kali maa

even though he is not regilous in this life doent mean he wasnt her devote in his past life for mother see's your atma not the shell which is his body. and maybe she is indicating that it is time to live a devoted life. i had the same experiance to and now i am very devoted and my life is so happy. mother choosed him he should be honoured. so he should get a guru to guide him. jai jai maa

i would like to know more bout her all i know is that she is one of tripurasundari's attendants and whenever somting is offered in the shri cakra puja she comes to collect it.hope i didnt disrespect you. i live in the caribbean i would like to know more about her and her worship so i can start doing it here and people would get to know her more i love her as my mother please help me.

wat is your problem if you tell us maybe someone may tell you wat to do to help u

you are so right mother will never do such a thing honestly in my experiance with my guru it have plenty spirits when manifests on people say they are shiva, hanuman and mother kateri to confuse you because when you hear that is mother you will think why is mother doing this even when i am praying and i am a good person then you would stop doing it and when you stop doing devotion to her then you know what the spirit will overpower him an kill him that's what the spirit wants because although he has possessed your bother he does not have the power to kill him because of your devotion so you should find a kali temple right away. jai maa

hey welcome diksa is very nessesary for instance to get your drivers licence you have to have someone who knows how to drive to guide it is the same you must have someone to guide who knows what to do. jai jai maa

hey you are from nepal so kool i was there once iam very sorry i cant remember the name of the temple but it was by a river and they does cremate bodies there it was so beautiful and i also took part in the chinnamasta devotion it was amazeing. i love nepal wish i could just stay in that temple forever it felt like i had no problems like it all just washed away.

hey i am so so sorry we never welcomed you to this forum i just got to see your post today am sorry. the guy from nepal is correct you need a guru someone to guide you when you do this sadhanas but still you can do some devotion by yourself so that the problems may ease up. i think you should at least do some kind of devotion to durga,kali and kaal bhairo baba.

Devotion to Mariamman <TABLE cellPadding=5 width="90%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>Doctrines <TD> <TD>India has always been a land of villages and in the context of village life the most important and powerful divine presence is the gramadevata, a deity identified with the village. A village may have several gramadevatas, each with its own function. Village deities are more numerous than Indian villages, though some are known throughout a region and one of these is the goddess Mariamman (Also called Mari, Mariamma, Maryamman. In the Puranas she is known as Marika.) who has devotees all over South India. The village belongs to the goddess. Theologically she was there before the village and in fact she created it. Sometimes she is represented only by a head on the soil, indicating her body is the village and she is rooted in the soil of the village. The villagers live inside or upon the body of the goddess. The goddess protects the village and is the guardian of the village boundaries. Outside the village there is no protection from the goddess. The village is a complete cosmos and the central divine power of the village is the goddess. The relationship between the village and the goddess is primarily for the village as a whole and not for individuals. Mari can mean sakti, power, and amman is mother, so she is the mother-power of the village. However, this relationship is not a simple one. In some places, Mariamman is invoked three times a year to regenerate village soil and protect the community against disease and death. Other places may have an important Mariamman festival. Mariamman is not a peaceful and benign goddess. She can be vindictive, inexorable, and difficult to propitiate. Essentially she is a personification of the world's natural forces, but specifically she is a goddess of smallpox, chickenpox, and other diseases. Her role is ambivalent for she both inflicts the diseases and protects the village from them. The onset of disease or disaster causes special worship or a festival of the goddess, for they are caused by demons let in because the goddess's defences have broken down or because the goddess is angry at being neglected. Mariamman reminds people that their ordered world can be shattered at any time and worshipping her makes one's view of reality less fragile. When the villagers are afflicted, so is the goddess invaded by demons. The villagers and the goddess are suffering the invasion of the village together and that is why one can say that the goddess causes the epidemic. The goddess suffers most but cannot contain it all and spreads it to the villagers, who help her deal with it. Mariamman is especially favourable at this time to those suffering from the disease, for they are helping her bear the burden of the demonic attack. Blood offerings of animals are commonly sacrificed at festivals of Mariamman, but this is not invariably the case. Whitehead in his classic study The Village Gods of South India (1921) found at the village of Vandipaliam in Cuddalore district that at an annual festival of ten days to Mariamman no animal sacrifices were ever offered or on any other occasion at the shrine. At Shiyali in Tanjore district during the sacrifices of animals to other gods at the festival (of all the village gods) a curtain is drawn in front of Mariamman. <TR vAlign=top><TD>History <TD> <TD>One story about the origin of Mariamman is she was the wife of Tirunalluvar, the Tamil poet, who was a pariah, outcaste. She caught smallpox and begged from house to house for food, fanning herself with leaves of the nim or margosa tree to keep the flies off her sores. She recovered and people worshipped her as the goddess of smallpox. To keep smallpox away they hang nim leaves above the doors of their houses. Another story involves the beautiful virtuous Nagavali, wife of Piruhu, one of the Nine Rishis. One day the Rishi was away and the Trimurti (an image with three heads representing Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva) came to see if her famed beauty and virtue was true. Nagavali did not know them and, resenting their intrusion, turned them into little children. The gods were offended and cursed her, so her beauty faded and her face became marked like smallpox. The Rishi returned, found her disfigured, and drove her away, declaring she would be born a demon in the next world and cause the spread of a disease which would make people like herself. She was called Mari, meaning 'changed.' Both stories are reported by Whitehead and he remarks that in Mysore he was told that Mari meant sakti, power. Mariamman is an ancient goddess, whose worship probably originated in the tribal religion of Dravidian India before the arrival of the Aryans and the brahman religion. According to tradition, among the Dravidian mountain tribes as in Coorg in southern Karnataka, human sacrifices were offered to Mariamman. These were replaced with animals and as we have seen, in some villages no animal sacrifices are offered. Here we can see a historical gradation. Local goddesses such as Mariamman who protect villages and their lands and represent the different castes of their worshippers have always been an important part of the religious landscape of South India. However, we can note periods of special significance. The eclecticism of the Vijayanagar period (1336-1565) encouraged folk religion, which became more important and influenced the more literate forms of religion. In the last century and a half there has been a rebirth of Tamil self-consciousness (see Devotion to Murukan). In the middle of the present century deities such as Mariamman have become linked to the "great tradition" as the strata of society which worship the goddess has become integrated into the larger social order. <TR vAlign=top><TD>Symbols <TD> <TD>At the centre and source of the village is a boddhu-rayee, navel stone, with which the goddess is associated. As mentioned in doctrines, the goddess may be represented by only a head on the ground, as her body is the village. To protect the village, shrines and symbols of the goddess are often placed at the boundaries of the village. These symbols are usually simple, rough, unhewn stones, five or six inches high and blackened with anointing oil, or there may be a stone pillar. If there are shrines these will often be crude simple structures. Mariamman's colour is yellow and sometimes a stone is adorned with a yellow dress, only a small part of bare stone emerging at the top. Sometimes there is only a spear or trident thrust in the ground in place of the goddess-stones. In larger villages a slab of stone may be carved with a rough figure of a woman, who may have four, six, or eight arms, or none at all, and the arms hold various implements such as a knife, a shield, a drum, a bell, a devil's head, and a three-pronged fork. It is common to have a fixed stone image in the shrine and to use a small portable metal image in processions. Mariamman can be represented as riding naked on an ass with a winnow on her head and a broom and water-pot in her hands. Sometimes there is no image and the goddess is represented by a brass pot of water decorated with nim leaves. The nim tree is sacred to Mariamman. In poor villages an earthenware pot is used. During the ceremonies of the goddess there is a symbolic marriage. Although the goddess is sometimes said to have a consort, she is really married to the village, so the goddess and village can nourish each other. A blood sacrifice at her festival can appease the goddess to withdraw her anger symbolised as the heat of disease or it can symbolise the defeat of the invading demon. Traditionally a buffalo was offered. After it was beheaded, its leg was thrust into its mouth, fat from the stomach was smeared in its eyes, and a candle was lit on its head. It was then presented to the goddess. This humiliation of the victim symbolises the defeat of an enemy, the demon who causes the epidemic or disaster. Village festivals are filled with symbolism. At a festival in Karnataka, the Mariamman image is first painted in bright colours and put in a shelter of nim leaves and a sheep sacrificed to placate the goddess. Then a he-buffalo is sacrificed by untouchables and the head put in a pit before Mariamman. The blood and parts of the buffalo are mixed with rice and put in a large basket. This is caraga and it is carried in procession by untouchables followed by other villagers carrying sickles and weapons to guard it. At other shrines sheep are sacrificed and mixed with the caraga, which is then sprinkled on the fields and along the boundaries of the village, thus regenerating the soil and protecting the village. Even vegetarian farmers believe that the soil needs blood and if it is not given then human lives will be taken. Festivals without animal sacrifice may offer boiled rice, fruit, flowers, cakes and sugar, and incense and camphor are burnt. There is Abishegam, ceremonial washing of the image twice a day, with water, oil, milk, coconut milk, turmeric, rose water, sandalwood, honey, sugar, limes, and a solution of the bark of certain trees, separately in a regular order. The image of the goddess is carried twice a day on the shoulders of devotees around the village and there may be a car procession one day. Under brahmanical influence, the image can be towed around a tank. At many festivals an important role is played by a Matangi, a low caste woman who is unmarried and holds the office for life. She is a living symbol of the goddess and becomes possessed by the goddess, dancing wildly, using obscene language, spitting at devotees, and pushing people around with her backside. The festival reverses social norms and the Matangi's behaviour, which would ordinarily be highly polluting, is purifying and people seek out her spit and insults. <TR vAlign=top><TD>Adherents <TD> <TD>Millions of villagers across South India worship Mariamman, especially in Tamil Nadu and Karnataka. Mariamman is one of the deities worshipped in almost every Tamil village. Nearly all members of a village participate in the goddess's festival, even brahmans and Muslims. The different castes to some extent mix freely. This is not the case in daily life. The ritual topography of a village in Karnataka, for example, has an inner village inhabited by the purest castes and the rest live outside this. The shrines of the goddess would be in the outside part of the village. The oldest, largest, and most important Hindu temple in Singapore is the Mariamman Temple, which was established early in the nineteenth century. Pilgrims at a Mariamman festival wear mostly yellow, the colour of the goddess. Some men dress as tigers and other animals. Pilgrims may come because of a specific fear or debt or because one of their family has a disease associated with the goddess or they themselves have recovered from the disease. Particular castes are associated with Mariamman, such as fishermen and builders on the coast of Tamil Nadu. Pilgrims fast before the festival and bring offerings, such as money in a propitious amount, say one hundred and one rupees. Some pilgrims have made vows to Mariamman to walk on fire, carry burning pots on their heads, or perform covadi, when they swing suspended on hooks through their flesh. <TR vAlign=top><TD>Headquarters/ Main Centre <TD> <TD>There is no one main centre for Mariamman. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

first of all my guru studied in tamil nadu idiot, and let me tell you a little story i day bhairo baba manifested on my guru i asked him about a problem i was having and he told me that i have to do his puja by the sea and that he would come in the form of a dog sure enough wen i was doing my puja a dog came u see bhairo is god he can take any form he chooses why you ask foolishly because he is god. next you say i mixing kaani devi with kateri maa you are wrong i know who kateri is i as for standing up for what is right that is stupidness you just critize people and there beliefs, next thing you want her picture you acting like a little child first of all there are many devi's who you can't get a picture of for instance parameswari devi,and varahi devi in her form to protect. ooo since you can get all the pics then get one of shanshan bhairo can you get that you make me laugh. first of all you say there are many methods to worship mother but then you critize shakti temples by saying they are doing this wrong and that wrong make up your mind. again back to my guru you never heard of him because you are so egotistical and everyone who doesnt agree with you is wrong but honestly i dont care my guru (or and he doesnt boost like you) practiced many hindu and tantric practices for many years under his guru. i went as well i visited i practiced in varanasi in the bhairo temple as well as took part in worshiping chinnamasta devi in nepal. or and one thing can you get a picture of jvalamukhi devi for me or doesnt she exist too in your little world. as i said mother comes in many different form many many forms ok an i never went to get my shakti in a shakti temple i did my devotion with the guidience of my guru but still i respect shakti temples all of them why because I DONT CRITIZE SOMEONES BELIEF. AS I SAY YOU ARE MY BOTHER AND I DO CARE BOUT YOU OK SO STOP GETTING SO ANGRY. I FEEL REALLY SORRY FOR YOU. but as i say it wouldnt take you 30 seconds to ask mother when she manifests herself if kaani devi exist or are you scared to find out the truth by the way which shakti temple are you associated with i may like too visit somtime if thats ok with you jai sita ram

first of all i was not boosting just informing her on a simple way to do mothers puja you fool i have fasted 108 days without salt for mother if i told her that then i would be boosting everything you know comes from going to all the shakti temples in trinidad so u can see and critize you carve attention more than anyone else and bother am not married ooo great puja everything you say is to get attention i that fast i am telling her i got it from maa kali herself when she manifested on my guru i seem to be getting underneat your skin maybe cuz you know am correct tell me ooo great pujarie who manifests on you tell us or you jus get the information from the internet,but the internet does not have everything you need to know bout shakti and worship, you see i dont ask poeple like you for advice i ask mother herself and my father wen they manifests i know you have something against pundits or maybe me but i really dont care and a next thing if i am wrong to give her that simple method that anyone even working poeple can do then say it. if wat i told her was wrong but that is how i started developing myself and condition my body so i couldve fasted 9,21,56 and then 108. are you getting angry bother dont be the more you try to hurt me the more i feel sorry for you so sorry if i said anything to offend you oooo great one

first understand dat a yantra is a geometrical reprsentation of god so you worship it jus like you worship a picture or murti ok but first you have to say her mantra 10000 times to get her power so that wen you worship it you will give your yantra power do havan as well you can fast without salt if you want for that period of time. i will explain more later ok like about her nityas and other things jai maa kali

it is very good to tell her to pray to bagalamukhi here is what i do to win court cases wen doing her worship always wear yellow and give yellow colored offerings to her. do this for 9 days the 9th day should be your court date. do her jaap wit yellow jaap mala 1080 times inscribe bagalamukhi yantra on parchment paper and worship it offering water,food non meat,incense,flowers,saffron. do havan 108 times offer dhar 108 times on the day too go in court take up the tantra and place it in your pocket do all of this wit love and devotion and a serious mind and you will have a chance or even victory but remember offer everyting with love not hate. her mantra is om hring bagalamukhi namah (remember use swaha after your mantra when doing havan)

it have two temples in mahess rd in penal one does do sadha and one does do scarifice. roosilack i dont think i spelt that correct sadha two in tunapuna i think one in katwaroo trace penal

but as in everything if you have a refree dat does understand or comprehend the complexities of worship then you have nothing

first thing first jus because i know how to send somone crazy doesnt mean that i do it because i understand the cycle of karma. next my guru is not from tamil nadu gayana he is from tamil nadu, india ( ooooooo great pujari) secondly it is stated in most texts dat wen you worship kala bhairo you offer somthing to his dog and a next ting my all knowing one it is said in the vedas that there are 5 yajnas and one of them is to offer food to lesser beings than yourself (maybe i should offer somting for you) and the reason why i bought up this conversation is really to tell you that you are not 100% positive that there is no such devi call kaani devi soo you shouldnt say she doesnt exist you can be wrong you are human as well as me but you would hurt someone who worships kaani devi wen you say she dont exist (cuz you dont know for certain) so dont make yourself a fool and disrespect someone's goddess there are plenty goddess that we dont know about so my dear frend you should leave her alone. i sure you eh even know wat is bram and nath shakti or how to worship them or if they even exist but you want to blasphem against kaani devi you feel you know everything and anyone who has an opposite view you try to shoot them down i read wat you does write you know and everything is about this temple doing this wrong that temple doing that wrong you acting like you prefect:pray: you done reach in satya lok:cool: . but still as someone in shakti worship i consider you my brother:) so brother are you ok i know kali maa blessing:pray: is upon you i am sorry if i sounded angry before is just the love i have for mother overwelms me somtimes i wish you all the best. jai mahaa kali maaaaaaaaaa:pray: mahakali mataa ki jai:)

dont use the word possessed she is not a demon she cames to you because you pray too her she manifests herself it is an honour

the shiva lingam is the formless aspect of god which shows us that he can take many forms anything he chooses why you may ask simple because he is god. om shree rudraya namah

vaishnavism is a sect that only worships lord vishnu and his incarnations as the supreme being there are different sects lik shivaism only worships lord shiva and his incarnations as the supreme being an so on but dont worry any path you take will lead you to god so its your choice just like a city there are many roads to take to reach the heart of the city but anyone you take you will still reach to the heart of the city ok as for maa kali there are different ways to worship her satvic or tamasic tamasic part you have to offer her rum and goat but the satvic part you offer her coconut and devi dhar i do her worship satvic normally what i would do is on a friday i would fast without salt (i dont eat meat or drink rum) offer her 9 lota of dhar (durga dhar),do 1080 jaap too her, offer 108 neem leaf in havan as well as a dry coconut, 1) offer her a green coconut by her picture or murti, with flowers and if you want offer her a saffron mala or 2) offer her the green coconut on a cloth,light a champer and chop the coconut.anyway u can do it you decide ok but if you offer her the coconut whole by her murti you should drink it the next day lik prasad ok and jai sita ram.

well if wat i say is wrong my esteem friend then u should have no problem asking mother then and i know of the devi called kanya kumari u do her puja by inviting 9 girls from the ages of 2 - 10 and offer them sweets and other things but i should be telling you that since you are bramha himself and you know everything in the three world so i am sorry but my guru who lived in tamil nadu for a number of years emparted that knowledge to me from his guru who is well versed in tantric practice but since you are bramha himself then you should know this oooooo great one and a next thing is that you are not thinking,you say that why do you offer the fowl and then let it go so she can run behind it sooo tell me or great one why do we offer food to a dog wen you are doing kala bhairo puja so after he can run behind the dog if wat you were saying are true then you should kill the dog not leave it to run around in your yard sooo do you scarifice dogs to bhairo ooo great pujari, and futher more in the tantra raja tantra page 53 verse 12 it say to send a person crazy you use a fowl by following other practices not mentioned here you leave the fowl let it run free, and the reason for me useing black majic is for the normal person to understand and therefore learn. jai bhairo baba wish you all the blessings to you because although we may disagree on somthings we are both devoties of the supreme mother.

there is a devi called kaarni devi and they do worship to her if you dont know somtime you shouldnt talk negative about it ans say she doesnt exist she does exist i do puja for her were you get a rooster while doing the puja and bath him put chandan for him and wen the puja is finished let him loose in your yard he gets rid of any black majic that people do and throw in your yard just because your shakti temple you go to dont do her worship that dont mean she dont exist tell do your temple rise parameswari devi i dont think so but she does exist. jai kali maa when next you go to your shakti temple and they rise kali ask her if you feel i lieing jai sita ram

your pujari shouldnt hav told u to go buy a book that is wrong cuz wen it is handed down to u it is more powerful and it has certain mantras dat most book doesnt hav lik for parameswari maa,kali maa,munesh prem,bagalamukhi and so on. A good and powerfull mantra for lord ganesh is om gan ganapatiya namah. u should do this 1000 times on any day especally on the 4th day after full moon ok and offer 108 doob grass in havan for him i am new to this site but i am a pundit for a little while now am jus 24 yrs of age and from trinidad as well and one thing i leant the hard way dont study no body wen they say negative things to u god is always wit u once u do good things god is there doh matter wat