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Try Some Buy Some Way back in time Someone said try some I tried some Now buy some - I bought some . . . Oh Oh Oh After a while when I had tried them denied them I opened my eyes and I saw you . . . Not a thing did I have Not a thing did I see 'Till I called on your love And your love came to me OH OH OH OH OH OH Through my life I've seen gray sky, met big fry, seen them die to get high . . . Oh Oh Oh And when it seemed that I would always be lonely I opened my eyes and I saw you Not a thing did I feel Not a thing did I know 'Till I called on your love And your love sure did grow OH OH OH OH OH OH Won't you try some Baby won't you buy some Won't you try some Baby won't you buy some</pre>

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"Dear God, Please help me to be the person my dog thinks I am." "On judgement day if God should say, "Did you clean your house today?" I will say, "I did not, I played with my dogs and I forgot."

Here is the complete Srila Prabhupada video collection. Best to download them to watch them. An avi codec link is available to download as these are avi files. Some people have had trouble getting the right codec. It took me a while, but I got it working. These movies are real classics www.archive.org/details/Bhaktivedanta-Swami-Prabhupada026 If you have downloaded the correct codec for your windows media player...they can also be streamed here....it takes a while for them to load depending on your internet connection.

Good point here Guruvani. It is of our own choosing. The souls constitutional right is bliss, it is seeking pure happiness. And because of this constitution it will never be satisfied until it finds rest in the highest station. Maybe we came to this material world because we wanted to find that supreme bliss. How foolish we were to think it could be found seperate from God. (Yes Theist, I am also that lost prodigal son with head facing back home) So now we begin the journey, after being away a long long time. The vaisnava truths say that if we merge into oneness in the brahmajoyti we will find bliss...but after a long time we will realize we are not fully satisfied, so again we fall to this material world. The vaisnava truths say the soul will only find that supreme peace in the nature of relationship. A fountain of unending, ever-new bliss. The bliss of love of God. We have made our choice where to find that ultimate happiness, that ultimate peace. A personal relationship, with a personal God. So satisfying that all the mystical siddhis become like playthings of a child. Playthings which soon lose their attraction. But to seek that One, to think of Him in quiet time, to wonder if we will ever get to meet Him, to talk with Him, to laugh with Him, to play with Him, to cry with Him, ....... Maybe this is the fountain of un-ending bliss. This is the choice of the Vaisnava.

Sri Caitanya-Bhagavata Madhya Kanda Chapter Fourteen Yamaraja-sankirtana Yamaraja's Sankirtana A Song in Hema-kiraniya-raga Text 1 His body flooded with love, Lord Caitanya happily dances. Text 2 Brahma, Siva, and all the demigods always serve Lord Caitanya. Text 3 Without the Lord's order, no one has the power to see Him. Again and again the demigods serve the Lord. Text 4 Every day the demigods watched the Lord's pastimes. When the Lord slept they went to their homes. Text 5 Seeing the deliverance of the two brahmana-demons, the demigods happily said, Text 6 "Lord Caitanya is so merciful that He delivered even these two. Text 7 "By doing this, the Lord has placed hope in my heart. Now I hope, `Certainly I wil also be delivered'. " Text 8 As they returned to their homes, the demigods happily spoke these words among themselves. Text 9 Yamaraja, the king of pious deeds, regularly came to Lord Caitanya's home, and thus he saw all these activities of the Lord. Text 10 Lord Yamaraja asked Citragupta, "What sins did these two (Jagai and Madhai) perform, sins that the Lord forgave?" Text 11 Citragupta replied, "Please hear, O Yamaraja. Why should you struggle to attain what cannot be attained? Text 12 "If a hundred thousand scribes write for one month, they will not soon come to the end of their sins. Text 13 "If you wish to hear the reports of the hundred thousand scribes, then by all means hear them.. Text 14 "The messengers never stop bringing reports of these two sinners' sins. The scribes have come to thinks these reports a great annoyance. Text 15 "At every moment reporting these two sinners' sins, the messengers are so exhausted they are on the verge of death." Text 16 The messengers said, "These two sinners commit so many sins, that I find it a great burden to write them all. Why must I suffer in this way? Text 17 "No proper punishment is written for the many sins I have written. The records are big like a mountain. Text 18 "We scribes weep as record the sins of these two sinners. How will we survive the torture we feel? Text 19 "Lord Caitanya made those sins a small as a sesame seed. And then He threw that sesame seed far away. Please give the order, and we will throw all these records into the ocean." Text 20 Yamaraja had never seen anything as glorious as the mercy that delivered these two sinners. Text 21 Yamaraja is by nature a great Vaishnava. He is religion personified. He knows all that is in the heart of the religion of devotional service. Text 22 When he heard Citragupta's words, Yamaraja at once forgot his own body. He was filled the ecstasy of love for Lord Krishna. Text 23 He fell unconscious on his chariot. There were no signs of life anywhere on his body. Text 24 There was a great commotion. Citragupta and the others grasped Yamaraja's body and wept. Text 25 Traveling in their chariots, the demigods sang a kirtana. But Yamaraja's chariot was filled with lamentation. Text 26 Having see the deliverance of the two brahmana-demons, the demigods were singing the glories of the Lord as they traveled. Text 27 The demigods headed by Siva, Brahma, and Ananta Sesha, and the sages headed by Narada all sang about the deliverance of the two sinners. Text 28 Some demigods had never known such a blissful kirtana. Other demigods, having seen the Lord's mercy, wept. Text 29 When they saw that Yamaraja was motionless on his chariot, all the demigods went there. Text 30 Ananta Sesha, Brahma, Siva, and the sages headed by Narada saw that Yamaraja had fallen unconscious. Text 31 Not knowing the reason, they were very surprised. Then Citragupta described everything. Text 32 Aware that Yamaraja had fainted in an ecstasy of love for Lord Krishna, Brahma and Siva sang a kirtana into Yamaraja's ear. Text 33 Hearing the kirtana, Yamaraja at once sat up. Again conscious, Yamaraja danced like a raving madman. Text 34 A supremely blissful kirtana arose among the demigods. Filled with the ecstasy of love of Lord Krishna, Yamaraja, the son of Suryadeva, danced. Text 35 Seeing Yamaraja danced, all the other demigods also danced. Brahma, Siva, Narada, and the others all danced. Text 36 Please attentively hear of the demigods' dancing. For now, this account is very confidential, but some day the Vedas will openly reveal all this. A Song in Sri-raga Text 37 Throwing away all shyness, Yamaraja danced. Filled with the ecstasy of love for Lord Krishna, Yamaraja did not know who he was. Meditating on Lord Caitanya, Yamaraja called out, "Glorious! Glorious! The glorious savior of the fallen!" Text 38 He roared and bellowed. The hairs of his body stood erect. Yamaraja's ecstasy had no end. Overcome, he wept. He was rapt in meditation on Lord Caitanya............(to long to post the rest...)

A friend came home with gifts of garlands and tulsi/sandalwood which adorned Sri Sri Radha Krsna in the temple. I placed them upon Lord Ganesha and Lord Siva, faithful and true servants. A simple little thing. Maybe they may assist this material person to have a devotional heart. I read somewhere recently this would be the appropriate thing to do.

Ayodhya, the Krsna consciousness movement inaugerated by Sri Caitanya is basically a 'Bhakti cult'. Sri Caitanya would avoid association with impersonalists as he dived deeper and deeper into esoteric relationship with a personal God (Krsna). Historically he did enter some discussions with impersonalists and convinced them of the Krsna conception. The spiritual truths of Bhakti are elaborately discussed by the followers of Sri Caitanya. These writings are very esoteric and advanced in the nature of relationship. A step by step internal journey culminating in love of God is discussed within these books. Writings so deeply profound, that followers of the Bhakti cult have experienced great ecstacies and bliss. So in a developed stage of Krsna consciousness spirituality no longer remains a belief sytem as such. What I mean is...a belief system often needs defending in philosophical debate. But the internal realizations of advancing Krsna consciousness become a fully tangible spiritual experience. To be tasted internally in an unending flow of joy. This is what Sri Caitanya came to give. This what he experienced. Many historically have perceived him as a great mystic. His followers perceive him as an incarnation of Radha and Krsna combined. I understand your viewpoint from reading some of your posts. That is fine with me...and I also perceive this is reciprocal...this is why I am happy to share. If oneday you would like to understand more of Sri Caitanya (Gauranga) send me a private message. I can give you access to a downloadable teaching base with many many books of the Acarya's. Many more books than you will find scanning the web. Anyhow...many devotees are into philosophical debate...I am not so qualified and of this mood. Many acarya's and devotees are. I guess we are all different. But as small amounts of joy increase in my heart amid the turbulence of material life, ofcourse I would wish others to experience similar things. So if any good soul has an open heart I will share with them.

Why is it Beggar when we get into spiritual discussion the tendency can be to 'pontificate', as has been said? And get into criticism? To be honest it is a very heavy load to carry some days. So why this tendency? Is it because we are neophyte? This tendency of the mind is not a good thing? But it seems all us humans have it. It would be so nice if we could openly share the joys of life, that make the spiritual journey so special. But sometimes the air of arrogance of us religious bent types is full on. Devotees discussing together their wonder of Krsna as mentioned in the Gita, could possibly be like the talk of small children. Sweet and gentle. Not puffed up with knowledge. Maybe that is why Christ said we need to be like children to enter the kingdom of God. For or against rtvik...to be honest I am not interested....but when we can get on the level that we are all in this boat together(this conditioned world)...then I think we have reached common ground. Then maybe we can start sharing, and appreciate each other. And open ourselves up to simplicity. One of my petty dislikes is unenlightened fundamentalism. Maybe I have been there a thousand times over...maybe a lot of Hare Krsna's have. Puffed up with knowledge with no heart function. Please forgive my offence in saying this. It is a great stumbling block it seems. Just wish we could appreciate simplicity...if we can't get it together...what hope is there. No doubt on a personal level I have much to work on....dependant upon grace.

This is a classic, be warned, upon listening can send shivers of bliss through the mortal coil.

Nice to chat with a fellow traveller. Till last breath, Ayodhya. Nice touch. One thing I feel is that this journey of discovery is the real joy of life. Most satisfying and fulfilling. A journey to the centre which embraces and nurtures all things. Therefore it becomes possible to walk peacefully alongside fellow beings, searchers, and travellers. I realize Sri Caitanya is new to you, from another thread. My interests in yoga and spirituality are reasonably open, but by Guru's mercy Sri Gauranga is my centre and greatest source of bliss and joy. Thanks for being open to something I love and treasure, Ayodhya.

And one more thought on this.....the ongoing enlightenment is a compliment of Krsna consciousness. As one's relationship with God (Krsna consciousness) grows, all things fall into place....even enlightenment. From my experience...not the other way around...first enlightenment then Krsna...no....first Krsna then enlightenment. All things are compliments to Krsna consciousness.

So to answer your question more directly Krsna consciousness has also been my personal enlightenment experience. Surely an ongoing process. Not just some one time occurence but an evolving, growing, developing relationship with God. Below is the first chapter of Srila Bhaktivinoda's Navadawipa Dhama Mahatmya. This particular chapter is dear to my GuruMaharaja and he has passed it on to his disciples. Now it has become dear to me. Thanks for letting me share Ayodhya. I wish you much blessings in your own spiritual journey.

Hi Ayodhya....lol:)....I don't know the standard definition of enlightenment..... Down through history I think many peoples, cultures, and sages have all explained what enlightenment of a human is in many ways... Personally for me I think enlightenment means something like, leaving ignorance for light. Gaining self-understanding, seeing the nature of oneself and the world....things like this....maybe it is a subjective thing....I can't speak for anyone else... Krsna consciousness for me basically means to have Krsna (God) in my consciousness all the time. To think of God constantly. The cause of all causes, whom we are parts and parcels of... Hope this helps...see ya.

Love Johnny Cash. Read one of his later biographies one time. Great man who experienced such depth of life. Got pretty Johnny-ied out for quiet some years there to be honest. He made a real classic Jesus movie on a shoestring budget in the seventies-real classic little movie. Wish I still had it. "Krsna is the ability shown by humankind. Some say its maya, but I dont consider the awe coming from viewing a Bottacelli to be maya, because such awe awakens the spiritual essence of the self." quote Mahak I am glad Mahak decided to get this thread going. I relate to where he is coming from with that Bottaceli concept (never heard Botacelli by the way), but had a copy of an opera on the Life of St Francis once...wonderful.

Thanks...you are most welcome... This is good counsel....a realization that I can surely try and develop more toward. Thanks.

thanks for sharing that Guruvani...he must of been a beauty. My friends dog has died in the last year and a half...my mate is a bit of a battler so I used to bring heaps of prasadam back when I'd visit the temple in the big smoke. He'd say..."this food is great and my dogs love it too." When 'Under' died I went and visited him. We both laughed and grinned about how much she loved that prasadam. She was half human already anyway I reckon.

oh yeah....and I like this verse...this about sums it up. Don't want much else:pray:.

Some time around 97'(cannot remember exactly) I was sitting at a public green listening to a Koori singer. Her lyrics were awesome and her presence was like a kind hearted storytelling mum. After the concert I strolled home, got out the guitar and started trying to sing like what I had just been listening to...these lyrics just came out from the heart....the singers name was Ruby Hunter...just awesome. In fact Mahak...as the years have gone on...this is the only song I remember...pretty basic...but it meant something at the time. ****Father to son**** Hold on to your hopes and dreams, and know that you are loved. You mean something to me, more than you might know, so put your trust in me. And proclaim your faith, let your true song fly, so all people see, the beauty deep within the heart, that's what I treasure most. From father to son, I give you all my love. And proclaim your faith, let your true song fly that's what I treasure most. From father to son I give you all my love. by bija. [ATTACH]1306[/ATTACH] Ruby Hunter

Some years ago my dog and I went to spend a week at a Krsna farm. A young boy devotee took a liking to my dog and asked, "what did you call him?" "Boise" I said. "That's a strange name", the young boy said, "you should have called him Bala, because he is white, and white reminds me of Balarama." Smart boy I thought, "Yes you are right, Balarama is a good name." I dream of my dog, Guruvani. In the dreams he is often getting into trouble and I have to get him out of mischief. I never realised the nature of attachment can be so subtle....but he is a good spirit soul...often when I quietly chant my rounds he calms right down and rests....a strange thing for a hyper JackRussel Foxy. Eventually when he passes on, I will not get another dog....but all the same I have learnt alot from him....and he has enjoyed prasadam alot.