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Here is a copy Madhurya- kadambini translated by Sarvabhavana dasa [ATTACH]1308[/ATTACH] opens with notepad All glories to Srila Prabhupada Hari bol! mk svct.txt

Guruvani....have you read this book before? It is pure nectar. If you have not read it, please do find a copy you will love it.

From a book I have been reading...thought it was beneficial for spiritual vision... All the best with your distribution Tommy Gouranga....just make sure you spread the name of Gauranga everywhere you go...in Navadwipa Dham Mahatmya Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says there is no hope for souls without the name of Gauranga. He says the reason why souls have not attained love for Krsna even after worshipping Sri Sri Radha Krsna for many births...is because of lack of taking shelter of the name of Gauraaaanga!!!

where you been gHari. After your light that has lighted the world post I was going to post be here now....such a beautiful song. Be Here Now by George Harrison Remember, now, be here now As its not like it was before. The past, was, be here now As its not like it was before - it was Why try to live a life, That isnt real, No how A mind, that wants to wander, round a corner, Is an un-wise mind Now, is, be here now And its not what it was before, Remember, now, be here now As its not like it was before - it was

Grounding stuff. Good to read this again...thanks guest.

Yes. When we profess theology or sect, we often say we have claim to the absolute. I don't think anyone has this monopoly either. The absolute is so big surely we can't claim to know it all. Or I should say, more correctly, have claim over it, in regards to knowledge. But with the nature of love these rules may not come into play. If God is love. But I feel, with an open heart, the absolute will come to us, blessing us with what it is beneficial for our growth. I have been thinking lately that the great expanse of God, is something radically different than what I once perceived. That everything is contained therein.

So Ayodhya,I feel it is really essential to adopt a spiritual practice where we can develop pure realization, that we are not this mind/body. Sadly in the tradition I was born, this consciousness was not so clearly taught as is in some eastern traditions. I am sure the understanding was there but not clearly expressed or conveyed. So this is the fundamental teaching. Of great importance. I am not this body, I am not this mind, but pure spirit soul. So one must eventually come to the question of what spiritual practice is practical for this day and age. Where everything is so fast paced and busy. As mentioned in my previous post I read one time the 'Art of Dying' by the Dalai Lama. It clearly outlines a process for passing through the intermediate stage and gaining good birth or nirvana. But this 'high tantra yoga' taught is very deep and esoteric. I question really the practicality of it, for the general masses. Maybe some advanced monk could apply and grasp these advanced teachings. But not the general masses. So the concept of many births comes into play here. A thought concurrent in eastern philosophy. But really how many births do we want to continue with, in this place of suffering. I guess if the spiritual practice is wonderful many births could be endured. Such is the nature of love of God. So really I feel liberation is not the goal. But love of God. Ever-increasing, ever-new love. Rather than a spiritual practice being the 'means' to the 'goal', for me developing love of God is the means and goal simultaneously. So really I feel that the buddhist concepts of 'deity yoga', or temporarily worshipping a 'form' of God as taught by the impersonalist school, for final liberation is not what I desire. Or merging into oneness. I wish to incorporate into my spirtual life the means and goal into one. This is Krsna consciousness for me. To think of Him constantly. Where my heart may enter the reality thus making transition complete. I have faith this is the way to enter next time. Thanks for allowing me to share. Wish you peace.

This is correct. At the time of chastising we may not understand. But when the child goes away and thinks and matures his reasoning, he can begin to understand why. I think the intermediate stage of ghastliness, appears very real. But in reality can be passed through without hurt. If one can see the temporary nature of the mind and body. As you are an impersonalist you may call such phenomenon by the term false. But as a Vaisnava we call this phenomenon by the term temporary. Because when you hurt, you really hurt. Try telling someone with broken arm this is false. But I guess illusion would be an applicable term to both philosophies. So illusion cannot harm the soul. Ofcourse I still do not fully understand this law of karma. Because there seems to be so much suffering in this world. Recently I saw on tv a small african child with skin and bones suffering greatly. How do we explain this? My heart felt like crying upon seeing this. Is this why?

Ayodhya, I have given your question some more thought. I am happy to share a little if I can. Could you clarify your question more. Are you talking about the intermediate stage before next birth? It is very common in some circles today to hear people say that there is no such thing as hell...just heaven. I am not so sure on this way of thinking. I perceive more that, what mind culture we have developed will manifest in the next birth. In a more physical dimension. So really these things are of our own choice. Supplied by the energy of God. I have also edited my post #33 with a clearer response and more thoughts.

Yeah. My dog thinks I am a dog....and I think my dog is human. Work that one out! 9th post...to me.

Thanks for the admonition. Especially after what you have just posted. A timely reminder that we are heading toward this goal together. Sorry.

I had an idea this was what you thought. That is why I have given an answer in a personal way. Even some very balanced deeply spiritual people have them for further growth. Growth is unlimited as is the nature of love of God. Why don't all people have them? I would only be guessing if I gave an answer to that question. I feel personally that sometimes we as humans are like a living organism, that is designed in a certain way, to develop and grow, and strive for full potential. Things like NDE's may be a way to unblock blocks, you might say. Same goes with some illness also where the outcome is positive, changing our whole perspective on life. I hope this answers your queries in some way. What do you think happens?

What do you think Ayodhya? It is a difficult question, kind of like asking what is the meaning of life. I guess we can only answer from personal realization and faith. Personally I was a fairly ignorant young man...and directly after the NDE I saw the whole world in a new light. I collapsed and experienced fluctuating health for years after this. So it was great mercy. A real, what's that word...is it catharsis? A type of catharsis. I began to question the nature of suffering much more and over the years have been seeking spiritual life more. So that ignorant young man gradually is becoming less and less of a reality. So to answer your question....growth.

Yes this is exactly how I feel about it all. But can you just imagine that happy day....when the reality of being manifests. That will be the best elevator ride ever.

That is a real devil dog isn't it. Maybe the diverse hellish planets out there are all creations of our subtle sphere. This consciousness thing is full on......pure consciousness must be a wonderful thing....Navadwipa Dham Jaya!

here is a poem I read yesterday...really like it. Go with Muddy Feet When you hear dirty story wash your ears. When you see ugly stuff wash your eyes. When you get bad thoughts wash your mind. and Keep your feet muddy.

I am not referring to your dialogue with Kulupavana. I did not intend to give you a lecture. You are a free agent. There is alot of diverse people out here, and learning sensitivities is something we all need to work on. I have read much of your views on Iskcon and GBC. I do not think using Srila Prabhupada's words to back up a statement about Nityananda Vamsa and GBC (considering your views on GBC) is so tactful. That is all.

tact: consideration in dealing with others and avoiding giving offence. Srila Prabhupada's above writing is tactful. Comparing Nityananda vamsa to GBC(as you perceive GBC) is not so tactful. Just my humble opinion, no offence meant Guruvani.

Oh jeez....got a few good laughs there.

I think this is possible , yes.

It bought up much in my mind. I will take Avinash's advice and write things down eventually. So the question now is really what to do with the mind...I am sure it needs to be developed by deep meditation, for me, by chanting holy names and remembering form, qualities, and pastimes of the Lord. To spiritualize the mind and at least have a better birth, or who knows I really hope oneday to enter the spiritual realm. Jaiva Dharma would be the ultimate guide book for me. Theist, at the time I had the NDE I had no real faith in God. I used to pray, go to temples, churches, etc...but I did not know if he was real or not. My consciousness was at a stage of pure body consciousness, and I had very little realization of the mind. Basically my mind would just take me here and there as I was fully identified as this body. Fortunate that things have changed somewhat in my consciousness now. I do not fear death anymore and in some way feel things will be ok next time. I do feel as consciousness develops we need to spiritualize our whole self. In the conditioned state we can have very subtle mental states, awareness, and visions. etc....and these are a real phenomenon...but I would rather have vision of GaurangaKrsna everywhere...to be able to go to Sri Navadwipa Dhama and see the reality. So subtle mind states may be fun for a while....but still they are a cause of bondage....the key is to spiritualize everything whilst at the same time realizing I am not this body..I am not this mind. In fact anything without relation to Krsna is maya. Oh yeah....and one more thing Theist....thanks for your open heart and for being a friend. I thought maybe I shared to much yesterday. Good to know there is some progressives out there.

Some more thoughts on NDE. From my own experience, reflection, and reading, I would say that an NDE is an intermediate state that one enters when close to death. A very subtle level of mind state. I think this is why people have such profound experiences, for when one enters this more subtle mind state, through later intuition in normal consciousness, a greater awareness of one's more subtle self may arise. But saying this, it is such a profound experience that it can be closer to a God experience than previously encountered in normal awareness. In my particular encounter there were subtle Vaisnava, Judaeo-Christian, and Buddhist themes. The interesting nature of some of these themes though was that they were much more revealing of the traditions involved than I had know or read in normal consciousness. Ofcourse I had entered deeper into my subtle self in this state. For example there is a Tibetan Buddhist text called, "Wishes for Release from the Perilous Straits of the Intermediate State, Hero Releasing from Fright" by the First Panchen Lama. The current Dalai Lama has written a commentary on this called "Advice on Dying". Basically it teaches one, High Tantra Yoga to pass through this state, to cultivate a good re-birth. In this commentary it talks about this state at one level, of being either of three colors, white, grey, or black. And particular meanings for each color. White being a pious mind state, grey intermediatory, and black being of a mind state of hatred. Interestingly all three were colors were in my experience. No other colors. Also the book talks of the position of the tunnel, for example rising at an 45 degree angle, horizontal, or downward. And this also represents position of next birth. So in my opinion and spiritual understanding, it is not a direct encounter with God. But this subtle mind state needs to be penetrated for final liberation. What I have found of particular interest of my encounter with this subtle state is the lasting impression of it in my consciousness. And as the years have gone by, how I have understood more of its meaning. And in the last twelve months I feel a divine guidance as such. As I have expressed, to try and develop more kindness and graciousness in my life. But the experience in itself is no quick fix as one might think. Life continues on with one being dependant upon grace for spiritual growth. I am hesitant to discuss the finer details of the NDE as it is quite revealing to one, with developed mind culture. And also I feel that we each need to encounter in life our own journey and growth in good time. I hope this is of interest and helpul in some way. The agent of Yamaraja that I saw was most frightening but turned out to be benign. As I first saw him, I also saw my fallen self very clearly. Very revealling. This was the frightening thing. A thought of what will I become. In answer to my call to the white light , "who are you?", I heard a most beautiful voice to my left which came from outside of the tunnel. As it spoke, like a sound of beautiful rushing water, with a most sweet and gentle tone, it's one word was, "Original". At that time this word entered my very being. Present in the core of me. One with me, but also outside of me and different. It filled me with such a feeling of peace, that all fear of the Yamaraja agent type entity left me.

I think what I may share is that God is very kind and gentle. Kindness and gentleness are two qualities which are very beneficial for the soul and it's well being; this life should be used for developing such. Benignity: kindness and graciousness. from the latin (bene) good and (gene) birth.

Maybe it is not correct to discuss any more....maybe it is a personal encounter. But as memory has faded over the years with most things, this occurence is as clear in my mind as it was only yesterday.

Yes I had an NDE twelve years ago. There was much symbolism which I have understood more as time goes by. There was an entity standing before the light at the end of the tunnel. He could be described as an agent of Yamaraja maybe. I have never been so scared when I realized that I was moving toward him in the tunnel. When my being was present directly before this entity I cried out to the light,'who are you?' , the reply was wonderful. Several things were spoken to me by several entities and then the last words were....'it is not your time...go back'. I started descending back down the tunnel and awoke. I had been unconscious for about 9-10 hours....which seemed like a very short time while in this subtle plane.