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hi Smiley, I have one very beautiful friend who is in Ammachi's ashram presently. Probably the nicest fella I have ever met (online).
His last trip to India, he lived with Jain's and accepted their philosophy:
"ahimsa-parama-dharma".
He now teaches others he meets this dharma, by example. He is a powerful man! With a profound internal sadhana...
Cherish the earth!
Here you go>>>>
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The higher truth is that all these ideas such, as, 'the soul originates" or "is eternal and has no origin" which appear contradictory are harmonized in Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's conception of acintya bheda (a)bheda tattva, simultaneous oneness and difference. by beggar
That's it. Even in the concept of Absolute Truth it is inconceivable how form and no-form can co-exist in harmony. If anyone of us has had mystical encounter we will know such things...truly inconceivable...is the origin of the soul.
And by the way Jeffster the soul can manifest two bodies...one in Goloka-Vrindavan and one in Goloka-Navadwipa for example. The soul can experience whatever God sanctions.
That's good enough for me. by JeffsterI live near Killarney...you come over to warm next to my fire anytime... I make a good eggplant pasta sauce too!
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I look at the teachings this way. The highest ideal is given. Love of God - unmixed.
Practically speaking most people are very mixed due to make-up of the mind and various desires. Therefore processes like varna-ashrama dharma are implemented by Srila Prabhupada to gradually place the body/mind in an environment where it can purify.
Bhakta Raja Prabhu (which is a play on words - I presume to keep my eccentrics in check:)) has suggested that we be careful of projecting our minds onto the pristine teachings. He is correct. But the fact is that each of us has a certain make-up, and as Krsna says in Gita, even if we try to deny that we will still be forced to act.
One thing that I have found very artificial and unconducive in spiritual life is to be a robot. And even worse following programed 'group think'. I feel that is, fake immature spirituality, and not what Gita is teaching. We each follow our own nature in due course. If we do 'robot' our spiritual life, eventually it becomes disatisfying or at worst dishonest to the self and full of denied doubts (lacking soul). Attempting to follow the instructions of disciplic succession is not -artificial-self-amelioration but instead is a self honest journey that cannot be conformed to a stereo-type.
So instead we follow our natures, applying ourselves and dovetailing our natures in the best way we can. According to Gita that kind of karma yoga (mixed with bhakti) will purify one. Same with jnana-mishra-bhakti.
At some point by Guru's grace, due to our sincerity and honest self-reflection (truthfullness), unnecessary desires of the mind and body will leave...then the instruction 'surrender unto Me' comes into play (in the inner chamber of the heart).
As Krsna Raja Prabhu (who is the true raja;)) has pointed out, such an instruction is actually word of love. Because the devotee who has been purified, through applying his own nature (free of false renunciation) has glimpsed what Krsna really is. And once glimpsing that - Krsna has become an intimate friend (like in the case with Arjuna).
All these concepts of the material realm, are not evil (that is a warped dualistic 'sectarian' concept), they are simply a part of every human being (John the Revelator in his vision state called it the 'mark'). To be applied and spiritualized, rather than ''magnified" as the supreme moiety! The same is the case with the 'culture', and sectarian beliefs, etc too. The material can be a tool (through mystic vision). But in the end...all material things will be thrown in the fire of sacrifice to be renewed (for the new earth). And what remains will be that which is eternal and true. Even the paper in the holy books will tarnish brown. That is why Srila Bhaktivinoda has suggested man does not need to be stuck in his old religious books...Such is not the way of the Bhagavata.
Thefact remains that we were born in this world alone, developed a body,and in time will pass away alone. We cannot take organizations or dress with us. The Idea that I am Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Man, Woman,American, Indian is a temporary designation only. The eternal soul(jiva atma) needs to wake up so as to return back to the spiritual atmosphere (Vaikuntha) and gain association with the Supreme Lord and his devotees. quoted by Theist -
1. If all jivatmas take incarnation and they can only become humans if they did a good work in their previous material life, how can the number of human on this planet is growing where I have reasons to believe that the number of honest and good people in this world is decreasing, at least, not increasing in the same proportion to the growth of general population (Human).
I don't know.
Maybe all the bad people were trees before (now we have less trees;)).. But seriously, I don't know. Maybe the interconnection of energies is beyond the grasp of all schools of thought (scientific and metaphysical). Maybe one day the methodologies we have, will discover common ground, based on verifiable experience that can be expressed in words. There are so many profound synchronicities in this world.
Understanding of those things may appear in the heart in due course..that may happen to each of us if it is inbuilt. Enough realization at least, to be peaceful sentient beings and healthy organisms for the whole.
2. Why is the GOD so interested about making all human faithful to him/her, where we do not represent the highest number in terms of different species of living beings on this earth?Is he? Or is he fully everything anyway. Maybe the question really is, why are tiny sparks of consciousness like us drawn to or attracted to something.
3. If GOD is the sole creator of the WHOLE universe, why he c/she choose to allow so many religions to exist on this single small planet? Imagine if there was too many other planets with intelligent being, with too many other religion!Maybe its nature is extreme diversity...and it can't deny itself.
4. What is the purpose of all this creation?I will stick my neck out here, and leave behind all rational process...and say it is LOVE.
And by the way...Happy Christmas Subhasish (child)...Santa comes to all good children (like you and me). This year I have decided to believe in Santa (there is more to the story than meets the eye). There is diverse presents under that tree (this christmas morning)....
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Good, then you agree that when Krishna delivered 18.66 to Arjuna, he did not mean that Arjuna should give up all varieties of religion.
Now, why are we interpreting the verse that way, then? What is the basis?
Srila Prabhupada has explained that Arjuna is a perfect soul, eternal associate of Krsna. Krsna's dearest friend.
Early in the Gita dialogue Arjuna shows bewilderment and then petitions Krsna for guidance. He surrenders his will.
Prabhupada explains that such a pastime (of bewilderment and finally surrender) occurs for the benefit of us, the readers. And that Arjuna is infact fully realized as an eternal asscociate of the Lord.
That is why I have suggested that the Gita is an exposition. To cater for all levels of human thought - to raise one's station.
As you know Kaisersose, the Gaudiya translations of Gita accept Krsna as a real person, rather than a metaphor.
Saying that, metaphor can have several meanings and connotations (and much naieve misunderstanding), some of us see the deeper significance of metaphor in our personal lives and realizations. Not necessarily negative anti faith stuff. Definately not fundamentalism.
For me Kaisersose, the myth is very real ...original substance of my soul. Not all will see from that angle, therefore there are other options to choose from. The battle-field of Kurukshetra is not just a metaphor describing the mind...but a living breathing reality within. And once discovered within, it then begins to externalize (Vasudeva conception - the conception of Baby Krsna). For me this is the meaning of living with Krsna consciousness - and the deeper purport of such translations. (saying that - not all are the same as me - supersoul deals with all uniquely)
The sastra is pointing to something profound and very deep...some of us call this God. And we live in a realm of consciousness based in Personality. For example earth is a cow etc.
Good, then you agree that when Krishna delivered 18.66 to Arjuna, he did not mean that Arjuna should give up all varieties of religion.Giving up all concepts is the final beatitude...at that point we no longer live in the relative world. The Gita describes the whole perspective. Without beginning or end. Guiding man toward Spirit. The Gita is a treasure chest with the jewels contained in the middle six chapters of that chest. 18 chapters in all>>>>
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Maybe you would like to study the Book of Revelations..and what (John's vision) matter and spirit really is
. The fudamentalists have got it all wrong:burn:. There is no sectarian elite only that is saved and the non-believer doomed:burn:!!! No christian elite! No muslim elite! No Hindu elite! No Hare Krsna elite!There is only One complete absolute non-dual truth. It simply is. Finding that truth is the purport (and reason) of Bhagavad Gita. We are an integral part of that truth. Therefore I suggest we need to integrate the concepts of life....there we will find harmony and deep inner peace.
Krsna told him to fight! Fully integrated experience.* we are all in this game together mate...it is time to awaken as a collective now...the earth (organism) bhumi is crying....>>>>
That is the basis why realized souls teach!
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Krsna told him to fight! Fully integrated experience.Does not make any sense. Why would I take the trouble of talking about over one dozen chapters if all that has to be "given up"? One would simply have started from 18.66 straight.Like schooling, when you get the diploma it is not that you reject the foundational knowledge received in grade 1. But the knowledge is seen more deeply - as a complete whole. (Srila Prabhupada's perspective is bhakti ofcourse - so the purports express that angle of vision in reference to the whole.)
Same with our progression in religion and internal growth, we are fortunate if we can integrate our experiences, making up a wholistic man (on all levels of human encounter).
That is how I see life in general (including the Bhagavad Gita), anyhow.
This naive idea expressed by some, of throwing everything out with the trash is not what Gita is teaching. Very few can reach a perfectional stage (as humans) without a progression... And from my encounter the perfectional stage is a long way off, so integration is definately practical and realistic. Fight! As Krsna says, 'we each follow our nature'.
...he should simply surrender to Kṛṣṇa. That surrender will save him from all kinds of sinful reactions, for the Lord personally promises to protect him...Do we have the diploma yet? Some of us are still at school (learning what surrender is). Some of us are karma-misra-bhakti yogins or jnana-misra-bhakti yogins, not unnalloyed pure devotees. In this bhakti school of thought - Gaudiya Vaisnavism - (expressed in Gita) - saranagati is held in highest esteem.
Arjuna was not in confusion over multiple religions for Krishna to tell him to give them all up. Arjuna had no such problem at all.Yep. He expressed questions on his duty for the benefit of the listeners. A philisophical treatise* isn't it. Bhagavad-gita.
* exposition: a collection of things for public display.
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Srila Prabhupada – “Those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the Brahman effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system.Letter to Revatinandana dasa Los Angeles 13 June, 1970
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Yes Sarva, the plain facts though are that we Gaudiya's do not have such an aspiration as impersonal merging...because we relish the souls potency and potential to manifest spiritual lila (from a vaisnava transcendent view-point, rather than anthropomorphic vision).
And that is great and true, even if we do consider the instruction of Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja as having much benefit for sadhana and bhajan (internal vision). Siksa is really for bhajan, and bhajan is the way of manifesting that lila in the heart.
And yes, I do understand your point. You see we are not identifying as impersonal, we have moved to super-soul realization and further>>> to Bhagavan realization. All these three aspects make up a complete Person.
If the pencil ray (spark) was fully satisfied in a neutral state, it would never have chosen to move outward. But the potency of spirit craves deep rasa founded in bhava. In an indirect way that is how me mistakenly came to this world (of nescience), because of that potency inherent. Now we are here we have learnt that hladhini is the shelter.
All Glories, supreme victory and all-prevailing triumph to Shri Krishna Sankirtana, the ecstatic and loud chanting of the supreme glories of the Holy Names (Hare, Krishna, Radha, Gauranga, Nityananda etc.), Forms, Pastimes, Qualities, Abodes and Associates of the Supreme Absolute Truth Lord Shri Krishna performed by following in the footsteps of the great Associates of the Lord. Shri Krishna Sankirtana is the summit of all spiritual practices and is characteristized by the attainment of the following seven superexcellent and matchless results:
...(2) Bhava maha davagni nirvapana: The great ambrosial shower of Shri Krishna Sankirtana snuffs out, quenches, extinguishes and fully terminates forever the blazing, searing and all-immolating gigantic forest fire of Bhava (nescience) which occurs due to the most terrorizing, horrifying and infinitely painful embodiment and transmigration of the spirit soul in the 8.4 million bodily species of life via the ghastly and repeated cycle of birth, old age, disease and death in this material creation. This forest fire of material existence which leads to the unlimited suffering of the souls for trillions of lives in this material creation but which is ended by Shri Krishna Sankirtana, was willingly ignited by the souls themselves from time immemorial due to misuse of their minute independence given to them by the Lord. This is the stage or anartha nivritti (or kleshaghni) or destruction of the unwanted things in the heart by the sheer and exclusive potency and power of Shri Krishna Sankirtana...
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What I find kinda gross in these conversations is when the word brahmajyoti is used in a subtle derogatory way to express some views. Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja never spoke of the brahmajyoti in such gross ways because he knew that the jyoti was the beautiful glowing effulgence of Goloka (Krsna's body).
You are right Beggar, it is just semantics, and not worth stamping on even the little jiva's over.
Sorry Sarva!
I was sitting up last night and thinking about this conversation. And I thought deeply.. Maybe Sarva your own encounter with God is valid, maybe mine is too. And maybe that is a very personal encounter and grace of God...that will be explained to all in due course. The Lord has brought us together for a reason...and for those who love him all good things work together.
Are we going up, are we going down, are we going here, are we going there. These things are a great mystery in the process of awakening and self realization (if one knows the depth of his mind).
So please forgive me for my insensitivity (toward your spiritual life)...the heart is the field of love.
I think aparadha occurs when we stamp on that sacred field. So I will end posting on this subject here. Thanks for your patience.
Cheers.
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TRANSLATION Bg 18:66
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.
...Now, in summarizing Bhagavad-gītā, the Lord says that Arjuna should give up all the processes that have been explained to him; he should simply surrender to Kṛṣṇa. That surrender will save him from all kinds of sinful reactions, for the Lord personally promises to protect him...
This is talking about an internal process isn't it? A very personal experience with a Personal God. What do you think...
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So your sanatana dharmites? Did Prabhupada include Hare Krishna's in that list?
Just imagine somebody asking Prabhupada saying that, disciple: Are we Hare Krishna?
Maybe because Hare Krishna include Gods name it is okay, for example Prabhupada calls Muslims 'Mohammedians' so Prabhupada never says Muslims are not this. But Christians includes the word Christ, though Prabhupada always says they are followers of Christ.
The same foe Hindus. Problem is Prabhupada was speaking from a non-differential point. (showing signs of His uttama-adikari), I doubt a Hindi who is a 'hare Krishna will go around his relatives saying 'your not actually Hindu, because its embedded in all Hindus, that Hindus MEANS hare Krishna.
Then Prabhupada says we are all eternal souls, so the point is we are Hindu's, BUT don't forget that WE (Muslim's, Christians, Jews etc) are SOULS. Its like for example Prabhupada saying He is not Bengali.! by Lotus
There are some real good observations in this post. I read one time on Audarya some quotes from a Srila Prabhupada conversation. He said he was introducing a Hindu cultural movement to the west. Therefore externals like the dhotis, the styles of cooking etc.
These days some devotees from the west under the influence of that cultural movement will say 'Hi Ji! how ya going!
Things like that.You are right Lotus, Srila Prabhupada took the position of madyama adhikari devotee and placed his feet in both worlds - both purely spiritual and relative...but his heart was uttama. He never degraded people's tradition, but it seems he wished they could see the essence. Therefore he introduced a hindu cultural movement for specific purpose... He was realistic and practical.
I dont think it is such a big deal using the word hindu when conversing with certain people. And by the way, I am not a hindu:). But I do follow the Koori principle that this Great Land is Sacred (and my place to practice)
!KooriFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Koori (also spelled Koorie) is a word which some indigenous Australians in New South Wales and Victoria use to identify themselves, and has become an established term when referring to indigenous Australians from south eastern Australia.
Many indigenous Australians object to the use of the terms 'Aborigine' and 'Aboriginal', as terms which had been forced on them. They prefer to use words from their own languages. In some languages of south-east Australia (parts of New South Wales and Victoria), the words: coorie, kory, kuri, kooli, koole mean 'person' or 'people'. In the 1960s, the form koori came to be used by indigenous Australians of these areas when referring to themselves.
And I am not koori either...but I respect the turf and values...if ya know what I mean:eek4:.
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thank you very much:)
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lol:P maybe not enough sugar
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The Word Sri which you have used.. there is nothing you've left for me to add.
Amlesh, that is such a beautiful realization and ornament. We can all find harmony there. Thx.
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I am faulty and low-minded, but I want to get out of the muck, that is why I am associating here on this forum, hopefully in good faith. jeffster
Hopefully in good faith for me to Jeffster (in need of association, and reading material from others to grow). I never want to tear down anyone's faith by my contribution- therefore am really hesitant about entering this debate. And continually questioning myself if I am doing the right thing (in regards to this topic).
All that I am asking listeners, is to use great discernment when considering this 'subconscious nitya-siddha dreaming philosophy'. And always use discernment when reading my posts. As you say Jeff, I am not fully realized either and prone to make error.
Sorry. Every move I make commits offence (even if just on a subtle level). The most important thing is the other, and to never hurt them. That is a sadhana that must be cultivated more.
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I fully agree with you Theist. The spiritual realm is in the heart...so are our most Beloved's. Definately resonance.
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Feeding the animals with prasadam (left-overs) is a good thing. I read this in one of the Goswami's writings some time ago. Sorry I cant recall where. This is considered prasadam distribution.
Rather than throwing it in the bin with plastics and other unusable waste, why not put it in a compost and feed the worms, critters, and plant life.
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Yes Jeffster, I was thinking the same after reading Theist's suggestion. This world is not false, it is temporary. Nothing is false in the kingdom of God (summum bonum), but some things are of temporary nature and not eternal, orginating in external energy.
This sleeping philosophy is so subtle that it enters the heart very easily, and subtly changes the whole Gaudiya vision on a fundamental and esoteric level. This can be seen now at work in its hearers.
I would suggest it is so easily accepted because it explains away the gross sinful nature as a phantasmagoria, and in a subtle way psychologically removes the accountability and consequence of sin from the psyche. By placing the fallen sinful nature within the realm of Goloka lila.
Infact suggesting that eternal residents of Goloka have subconscious ghastly dreams, generated by Mahat-tattva is mayavada philosophy. Mayavada simply means that knowledge which is extracted from maya. How can the eternal residents (who we are to take shelter of) and who are expansions of Srimati Radha's bliss - come under the influence of maya? According to Gaudiya siddhanta it is impossible. Nitya-baddha jiva's can be swayed by the huge and vast external energy, but if they seek svarupa-shakti (internal energy) - made up of sandhini, samvit and hladhini - they are safe and have entered a positive and progressive immortality. If they do not, then they are considered eternally fallen.
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can one fall from the brahmajyoti? by theist
No.
Can the particles (situated in the marginal line) within the sun rays (of Sri Krsna's body -Goloka) attain ever-new and expanding bliss (love of God)?
Yes, by taking shelter of Hladhini (internal potency).
If I did consider myself a nitya-siddha in that realm sleeping (and dreaming this ghastly dream), my bhajan would be tainted with two flaws. One, the siddha-deha would be colored with maya. Two, the unique esoteric bhava would be lost as I would be identifying myself as the worshipable object (nitya-siddha) (and that object would hence be corruptible). This is a fine nuance and secret of bhajan in the lineage I follow. by bija....Bhakti is a function of the Lord’s internal potency (svarupa-sakti).Suddha-sattva is the essence of the combination of the
hladhini and samvit aspects of the internal potency. When
suddha-sattva is obtained, bhakti is also present. By executing
the various practices of sadhana-bhakti, such as hearing, chanting
and so on, suddha-sattva arises in the heart. Suddha-sattva is
eternally existing in the hearts of the Lord’s eternal associates.
By performing bhakti under their guidance, suddha-sattva manifests
in the heart.
This suddha-sattva is also known as rati or bhava. By further
execution of bhakti in the stage of rati, bhava-bhakti is transformed
into prema-bhakti. The essence of prema-bhakti is bhava
[not to be confused with bhava-bhakti, but rather a stage that
comes in the systematic development of prema, i.e. rati, sneha,
mana, pranaya, raga, anuraga, bhava, mahabhava] and the
essence of bhava is mahabhava. This mahabhava is the very form
of Srîmatî Radhika, or otherwise stated, Srîmati Radhika is the
embodiment of mahabhava. Therefore, where mahabhava is
present, the form of Radhika is present.
Srimati Radhika is eternally the hladini aspect of Sri Krsna's
internal potency. Sri Krsna is the possessor of potency and
Srimati Radhika is His potency. Consequently They are one in
Their identity. For the purpose of sportive transcendental
pastimes (lila-vilasa), They manifest as two personalities.
Srimati Radhika further manifests as all the gopîs. Bhakti, as
the essential function of the internal potency, is always present
within the hearts of the gopîs. In particular, Srimati Radhika is
the personification of the svarupa-sakti and, consequently, the
personification of bhakti. Therefore the svarupa-sakti, as well as
bhakti, have been compared to the beloved consort of Sri Krsna
http://www.purebhakti.com/resources/ebooks-a-magazines-mainmenu-63/doc_download/69-siksastaka.html
It is stated very clearly that suddha-sattva will arise once we take shelter of nitya-siddha's, because suddha-sattva resides within the hearts of these eternal associates.
Therefore we surrender to Guru Tattva and prepare (in full humility) in this human birth, to go to Gokula. There in Gokula we have the association of Sri Krsna and associates, and under the guidance of our guide (nitya-siddha) we attain final purification. Then we enter Goloka.
This is the process mentioned by Srila Prabhupada in Caitanya Caritamrta purports, quoting his spiritual master.
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Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 18.63
guhyād guhyataraḿ mayā
vimṛśyaitad aśeṣeṇa
SYNONYMS
iti — thus; te — unto you; jñānam — knowledge; ākhyātam — described; guhyāt — than confidential; guhya-taram — still more confidential; mayā — by Me; vimṛśya — deliberating; etat — on this; aśeṣeṇa — fully; yathā — as; icchasi — you like; tathā — that; kuru — perform.
TRANSLATION
Thus I have explained to you knowledge still more confidential. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do.
PURPORT
The Lord has already explained to Arjuna the knowledge of brahma-bhūta. One who is in the brahma-bhūta condition is joyful; he never laments, nor does he desire anything. That is due to confidential knowledge. Kṛṣṇa also discloses knowledge of the Supersoul. This is also Brahman knowledge, knowledge of Brahman, but it is superior.
Here the words yathecchasi tathā kuru — "As you like, you may act" — indicate that God does not interfere with the little independence of the living entity. In Bhagavad-gītā, the Lord has explained in all respects how one can elevate his living condition. The best advice imparted to Arjuna is to surrender unto the Supersoul seated within his heart. By right discrimination, one should agree to act according to the order of the Supersoul. That will help one become situated constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the highest perfectional stage of human life. Arjuna is being directly ordered by the Personality of Godhead to fight. Surrender to the Supreme Personality of Godhead is in the best interest of the living entities. It is not for the interest of the Supreme. Before surrendering, one is free to deliberate on this subject as far as the intelligence goes; that is the best way to accept the instruction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Such instruction comes also through the spiritual master, the bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa.
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Jeffster, my understanding is this:
Personally I will not accept that I am a nitya-siddha sleeping in some grove in Goloka dreaming of this ghastly horror. The siddha-deha is incorruptible in my opinion and the subconscious dream states are from mahat-tattva which is manifest for the corruptible.
I do accept that all souls here on earth are brahman. Therefore pure spirit souls in connection with super-soul (moving toward home). I do accept that nitya-siddha's souls come to this earth plane to deliver the fallen.
I accept my position as a nitya-baddha soul (as suggested by Srila Bhaktivinoda) for one esoteric reason in relation to bhajan: The nitya-siddha realm (Goloka and all that it entails) is my worshipable object (even the trees and grass). I follow the teaching of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and worship from a distance that perfect land. Not rushing in and trampling. Not considering myself nitya-siddha (but instead a follower of a nitya-siddha ). This is the fine nuance of Gaura Tattva that mercy has given the nitya-baddha souls of the the tatashta shakti. Such a position of worship is glorious for the nitya-baddha jiva, and will raise such to the fulfillment of her pure heart.
Why, because from such a position we can feel the intense ecstatcy of Sri Radha and her maidens. We can receive that grace because we have taken the correct position of deep humility. Servant of the servant of the servant of the servant....
If I did consider myself a nitya-siddha in that realm sleeping (and dreaming this ghastly dream), my bhajan would be tainted with two flaws. One, the siddha-deha would be colored with maya. Two, the unique esoteric bhava would be lost as I would be identifying myself as the worshipable object (nitya-siddha) (and that object would hence be corruptible). This is a fine nuance and secret of bhajan in the lineage I follow.
* On a side note I have only entered firmly into this debate for one reason. To show that this sleeping-jiva philosophy (taught by Sarva) uses quotes from Srila Prabhupada and is infact his (sarva's) philosophy, not fully Iskcons - other devotees (such as realist) who use the same list of Prabhupada quotes are his alt. avatars at Audarya. The dreaming hypothesis seems to be an evolution in thought from the fall from Goloka theory. And I have spoken out against Sarva's philosophy for one reason of good intent: that such a kind of bhajan may possibly remove the fine nuances of worshipping from a distance, and thus minimize spiritual growth.
Sarva continually presses this dogma, which then enters the hearts of listeners, and so on.
Instead I choose to aspire for the raganuga path, and oneday follow a nitya-siddha (in Gokula) and to worship such a soul as my dearest friend and well-wisher. Following this instruction of Sri Krsna (super-soul): yathecchasi tatha kuru 'As you like you may act' BG 18.63
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seems like alot of money as you say
compared to this:
http://www.yogabasics.com/japamalabeads/RudrakshaMala.html
depends what you follow I guess.
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WOW... full on stuff..
This culture is a mind-blower.
In the Gaudiya tradition one is first adviced to worship the Sri Sri Radha-Krsna murti as if they are Sri Sri Laksmi-Narayana. Surely Devi is the bestower of all good things.
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And it is noticeably the case that, once again, when one scrutinizes the Hare Krishna beliefs, one is made to feel that this is somehow inappropriate.
I guess Raghu we each put our chosen faith under scrutiny at some stage too - and if we are fortunate the faith remains alive, and even better, hopefully matured and more accomodating.
The non-accomodating people seem to demonize people and beliefs which do not fit their mold. The internet is a ripper for that game - and it is because of that set point that I (personally) almost left the fold of association. But then I wisened up and realized the collective unconscious ignorance is no reason to bail. And the demonizers are just playing a game (with themselves)...
Ammachi put it nicely when someone asked her, does she get upset with people? She smiled and said, 'how could I get upset, when no-one is seperate from myself?'.
Such comments are based on a deep realization arent they. And that is a sadhana in itself. There is no doubt in my mind that we are one yet unique.
It's with people who insist on making bald claims to the effect that the Vedas support ideas like "Krishna is the source of Vishnu" etc as if these are objectively verifiable facts.I don't know if I could formulate in words why I have faith in Krsna as the Origin of my heart...it must be some form of love. And love can get a person in very deep water (internally)...
Love cant be objective reality from the way I see it, it is super-subjective (and personal). And that is why I have decided to throw away the preachers book.
But I will express my heart and that which I feel is lovely and good. I feel that is service to others, rather than preaching and force feeding dogma.
I will not join people intimately if they force feed...its aweful (and within me too). It pervades all religion, and oneday all will have to acknowledge that it has no place in advanced (purified) consciousness - which is the destiny of the human race. Until then we press on.
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I am not interested in tricky dealings like that. Its not about ego today mate...its much deeper...
I do not understand in relation to the conversation flow.I am sorry Theist I do not understand your analogy.I would have found the prince?
Can you please explain your analogy in relation to what we are talking about. My dull old brain is the problem. We are on internet Theist, there will be some communication gap.
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Oneday I will finish my service of manifestation in SL...then you can come and visit. All welcome...(to help build Goloka)...
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