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Oh dear! Here we go again. Just watch for the Fall-vadis and its-a-dream-vadis postings and the counter arguments... :sleep: :sleep:

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's line is a siksa line.....

"Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear." I believe Iskcon has become one of these "varieties of religion" so I abandoned it years ago. Maybe Mataji should do the same. Iskcon has a bad habit of banning people. Maybe I should ban Iskcon:ponder:....Wait I already have banned it from my life. Like I've said before, bhakti is independent of organisations. The sooner devotees realise this the better it will be for them. Maybe we should draw up a list of people banned by Iskcon, and the reasons they were/are banned. I think the first group to be banned were Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja followers in 1977...Why? Politics!!!

An ex-guru? What's an ex-guru? Oh wait! I understand now. Satsvarupa dasa is now one of those. Oops...he's a retired "guru". Sorry my mistake!

I asked my guru these questions: Guruji which should I buy a PC or mac? Guruji Should I shop at Wal-mart? Guruji should I drive an american car or a japanese car? Guruji which hairsyle shoiuld I wear? Guruji should I get a job to support my wife and kids? Guruji should I go to college? Guruji should I breathe? Guruji should drink water? Guruji what other questions should I ask? Guruji should I be loyal to your organisation? Guruji is Santa Claus real? Guruji should I vote democrat or republican? Sigh.....

Hey.. Guruvani check this out: http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0011/ET10-6407.html Also his Krishna lila books are not his own realisations but what he heard from Srila Narayana Maharaja. Sivaramas' like the rest of them....dishonest

Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by Guruvani I am done with it. I am not the disciple of anyone anymore. I am not a Hare Krishna devotee either. I am none of the above. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> I'm not a Hare krishna devotee either as for most people a Hare Krishna is a member of Iskcon. Iskcon is not important to me and never will be. I'm done with organisations since they can't give you bhakti. I'm not a disciple of GBC career gurus, or "celeb" gurus. I'm also not a disciple of the Guru followed by some of my fanatical godbrothers and god sisters as their "Guru" is a fantasy superman character. When I hear their childish rants and raves about my guru I wonder if they are really talking about the guru that I'm following. Bhakti is a personal experience and not an organisational experience. I'm a person and will not label myself as anything other than that.

Veganism is the the way to go as it is cow protection. Since if less people take milk then there will be less cow being bred for milk.. Taking milk as sold in supermarkets in modern times results in cows being killed. Fact!

Are some devotees turning Srila Prabhupada into a mytical character? We now have 3rd and 4th generation devotees talking about Srila Prabhupada in ways that seem to me to be reaching mytical status. Srila Prabhupada the person as experienced by those who met him is being eclipsed by the Prabhupada of faith. The Prabhupada of faith has many versions: The Iskcon GBC version, several Ritvik versions, several GM versions, the sleepervadi version....

I recall, 14 years ago Tribhuvanath Prabhu giving us a slide show at a devotee's house in Ireland. He talked about his time with Srila Prabhupada. One story he told shocked me. Tribhuvanath Prabhu had opened a temple or centre in Edinburgh and when Srila Prabhupada heard about it Srila Prabhupada was very pleased as he had learn English from missionaries from Edinburgh. Tamal Krishna was not too happy and tried to get the temple closed without much success. Soon after Tribhuvanath recieved a letter from Srila Prabhupada ordering him to meet Srila Prabhupada in Bombay immediately. So Srila Tribhuvanath prabhu jumped on a plane and flew to India. When he arrived Srila Prabhupada was surprised toi see him there and asked Tribhuvanath why he was in Bombay. Tribhuvanath told His Divine Grace that he was there because His Divine Grace had ordered him to come. Srila Prabhupada said to Tribhuvantha that no such letter had been written by him! While Tribhuvanath was in Bombay, the Edinburgh centre was closed down by.....guess who? This has left me with the following thought. How many letters from Srila Prabhupada were not actually from Srila Prabhupada? And do these letters get quoted when devotees use the infamous..."Srila Prabhupada says...."

That's such a lovely quote from Srila Sridhara Maharaja....

I never thought I'd see the day Gurvani would praise Srila Narayana, but word of warning to him and others...the problems that Iskcon went through will be repeated in Srila Narayana Maharaja's sanga as the seeds have been planted by dishonest "devotees" who are jockying for positions within that sanga. I see several high profile devotees within the sanga readying themselves for the prize of "guruship". There is alot of politics at "managment" level which reminds me of early GBC politics. I speak as a former insider.... Srila Narayana Mahraja is bona fide, but the organisation? Funny, how history often repeats itself.....

<q>What we are ourselves, we see in others.</q> What nonsense! So if I see Hilter as a racist mass insane murderer, which he was, then by your silly logic I'm a racist mass insane murderer, which I am not.

Who cares? Just chant Harinama....what is it with some devotees and the end of the world?

You can marry anyone you want, if the other person wants to marry you, in western culture...

Eating peanuts, on Ekadasi, is bogus as they are a bean....

I recall seeing pictures from Iskcon's first Gurukula in Dallas. Is it still open?

Who Cares? Iskcon or any organisation will not give you bhakti...

Satsvarupa is not a sannyasi....althought he may think he is.

The above replys are heartless....and compassionless. In my opinion there's nothing worst than the abuse of devotees by so called gurus. And don't play the "the-victims-were-not-sincere" card...that's hateful.

Why? Why? Why? is there no mention help of for the duped and abused "disciples". Why does the abuser get all the help? Is it because he's a Prabhupada disciple? What mechanisms are there within Iskcon to protect the victims of bogus "gurus"? Sheesh, his "disicples" must have been very unitelligent to take the abuse from him

Guruvani... I'm impressed, but of course I expect a fanatical backlash from the fundamentalists.

Kill Man, Woman, Infant "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3) Comment No matter how one can justify possible crimes from adults, suckling infants have no means of acting out crimes. And what evil against God could the animals have possibly performed? Only an evil entity could kill innocent infants and animals, no matter what their parents and owners may have done. Sheesh...where in sastra does Visnhu condone such actions....

God Casts Stones "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword." (Joshua 10:11) Comment Another typical slaughter described in the Bible. Here we have God, personally throwing great stones on the people for the sole purpose of killing them. "The Christian religion has been and still is the principle enemy of moral progress in the world." --Bertrand Russell Where does it describe in our sastra that Vishnu throws stones?

God 'The Jealous' "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters so a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods." (Exodus 34:14-16) Comment Verse 14 (among other verses of the Bible) makes it abundantly clear that this God not only feels jealous but the Bible names him Jealous. Why an all powerful God should feel jealous of his creations simply because they believed in other gods remains unclear. Could it mean that other gods exist as well as the Hebrew god or that the other gods do a better job? Somehow I don't believe Visnhu is a jealous God...