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  1. TRANSLATION SB 3.5.40 O Father, O Lord, O Personality of Godhead, the living entities in the material world can never have any happiness because they are overwhelmed by the three kinds of miseries. Therefore they take shelter of the shade of Your lotus feet, which are full of knowledge, and we also thus take shelter of them. PURPORT The way of devotional service is neither sentimental nor mundane. It is the path of reality by which the living entity can attain the transcendental happiness of being freed from the three kinds of material miseries—miseries arising from the body and mind, from other living entities and from natural disturbances. Everyone who is conditioned by material existence—whether he be a man or beast or demigod or bird—must suffer from ādhyātmika (bodily or mental) pains, ādhibhautika pains (those offered by living creatures), and ādhidaivika pains (those due to supernatural disturbances). His happiness is nothing but a hard struggle to get free from the miseries of conditional life. But there is only one way he can be rescued, and that is by accepting the shelter of the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The argument that unless one has proper knowledge one cannot be freed from material miseries is undoubtedly true. But because the lotus feet of the Lord are full of transcendental knowledge, acceptance of His lotus feet completes that necessity. We have already discussed this point in the First Canto (1.2.7): vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ janayaty āśu vairāgyaṁ jñānaṁ ca yad ahaitukam There is no want of knowledge in the devotional service of Vāsudeva, the Personality of Godhead. He, the Lord, personally takes charge of dissipating the darkness of ignorance from the heart of a devotee. He confirms this in Bhagavad-gītā (10.10): teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁ yena mām upayānti te Empiric philosophical speculation cannot give one relief from the threefold miseries of material existence. Simply to endeavor for knowledge without devoting oneself to the Lord is a waste of valuable time.
  2. TRANSLATION Bg 10.10 To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me. PURPORT In this verse the word buddhi-yogam is very significant. We may remember that in the Second Chapter the Lord, instructing Arjuna, said that He had spoken to him of many things and that He would instruct him in the way of buddhi-yoga. Now buddhi-yoga is explained. Buddhi-yogam itself is action in Kṛṣṇa consciousness; that is the highest intelligence. Buddhi means intelligence, and yogam means mystic activities or mystic elevation. When one tries to go back home, back to Godhead, and takes fully to Kṛṣṇa consciousness in devotional service, his action is called buddhi-yogam. In other words, buddhi-yogam is the process by which one gets out of the entanglement of this material world. The ultimate goal of progress is Kṛṣṇa. People do not know this; therefore the association of devotees and a bona fide spiritual master are important. One should know that the goal is Kṛṣṇa, and when the goal is assigned, then the path is slowly but progressively traversed, and the ultimate goal is achieved. When a person knows the goal of life but is addicted to the fruits of activities, he is acting in karma-yoga. When he knows that the goal is Kṛṣṇa, but he takes pleasure in mental speculations to understand Kṛṣṇa, he is acting in jñāna-yoga. And when he knows the goal and seeks Kṛṣṇa completely in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and devotional service, he is acting in bhakti-yoga, or buddhi-yoga, which is the complete yoga. This complete yoga is the highest perfectional stage of life. A person may have a bona fide spiritual master and may be attached to a spiritual organization, but still, if he is not intelligent enough to make progress, then Kṛṣṇa from within gives him instructions so that he may ultimately come to Him without difficulty. The qualification is that a person always engage himself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and with love and devotion render all kinds of services. He should perform some sort of work for Kṛṣṇa, and that work should be with love. If a devotee is intelligent enough, he will make progress on the path of self-realization. If one is sincere and devoted to the activities of devotional service, the Lord gives him a chance to make progress and ultimately attain to Him.
  3. Ohio.com - Price of milk may double Price of milk may double Rising feed costs, surplus of cows will force farmers to cull herds by 103,000 By Jeff Wilson Bloomberg News Published on Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 Dino Giacomazzi, whose great-grandfather started the Giacomazzi Dairy in Hanford, Calif., in 1893, said he had no choice but to sell 100 cows, or 11 percent of his herd, in the past four months. Rising feed prices and a world surplus meant it cost as much as $17 to produce $10 of milk. ''Producers are in an absolute state of panic,'' said Giacomazzi, 40. ''To spend 100 years building a dairy business and see much of that equity disappear in a year is very troubling.'' Farmers plan to shift the pain to consumers. The National Milk Producers Federation in Arlington, Va., will pay dairies to slaughter 103,000 U.S. cows in coming months. Milk futures prices will double next year to a record $23 per 100 pounds as the herd shrinks by 171,000 head, the most since 1989, said Michael Swanson, a senior economist at Wells Fargo & Co., the largest lender to U.S. farmers. The cuts will lead to the first two-year drop in output in four decades and higher prices in 2010 for butter, cheese, milk and the nonfat dry powder that's a benchmark for global exports, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture forecasts. Futures for delivery in September 2010 are trading about 56 percent above current prices on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Retail butter prices might rise above the record of $3.937 a pound and Cheddar cheese might top $5.097 a pound, according to Jerry Dryer, 65, editor of the industry newsletter Dairy & Food Market Analyst in Delray Beach, Fla. Farmers are culling herds because exports plunged 26 percent in the first four months of the year, supplies rose and the cost of corn, the primary feed ingredient, averaged almost $4 a bushel. ''No one is making money producing milk,'' Wells Fargo's Swanson said. ''The milk price remains well below the total cost of production.'' U.S. output increased to a record 16.73 billion pounds in May as cows on average produced 1,804 pounds each, the most ever, the USDA said June 18. A gallon weighs 8.6 pounds. Wholesale milk fell 51 percent in the past year and reached $9.93 per 100 pounds on June 19 on the CME. The USDA forecasts average cash prices this year will drop 34 percent, the most since the agency began keeping the data in 1980. While corn fell to $4.195 last week from a record $7.9925 a bushel in June 2008, it's still 54 percent above the decade average. In California, the largest milk-producing state, dairies lost $1.07 per 100 pounds in April, compared with profit of $11.23 in July 2007, based on feed costs and milk prices, USDA data show. In January, the state was the most unprofitable in at least six years of record-keeping. It takes about 24 months and $1,600 to feed and care for a dairy heifer before it starts producing milk. The price of a young cow ready for milking has dropped by half in the past year to $1,200, he said. U.S. milk production will fall 1.3 percent to 187.5 billion pounds this year from last year's record, and to 186.4 billion in 2010, the first back-to-back decline since 1969, the USDA said June 20. Prices probably will rise at least 25 percent by the second half of 2010 as production slows and consumption rebounds with an improving economy next year, said Kelvin Wickham, managing director of global trade at Fonterra Cooperative Group Ltd. of Auckland, New Zealand, the world's largest dairy exporter. ''We do expect prices to trend higher toward the back half of the year,'' said Jack Callahan, the chief financial officer at Dallas-based Dean Foods Inc., the biggest U.S. processor and parent of Reiter Dairy operations in Akron. Dairy cows feed at the Milky Way Dairy farm near Visalia, California, (Phil Hawkins/Bloomberg News) Dino Giacomazzi, whose great-grandfather started the Giacomazzi Dairy in Hanford, Calif., in 1893, said he had no choice but to sell 100 cows, or 11 percent of his herd, in the past four months. Rising feed prices and a world surplus meant it cost as much as $17 to produce $10 of milk. ''Producers are in an absolute state of panic,'' said Giacomazzi, 40. ''To spend 100 years building a dairy business and see much of that equity disappear in a year is very troubling.'' Farmers plan to shift the pain to consumers. The National Milk Producers Federation in Arlington, Va., will pay dairies to slaughter 103,000 U.S. cows in coming months. Milk futures prices will double next year to a record $23 per 100 pounds as the herd shrinks by 171,000 head, the most since 1989, said Michael Swanson, a senior economist at Wells Fargo & Co., the largest lender to U.S. farmers. The cuts will lead to the first two-year drop in output in four decades and higher prices in 2010 for butter, cheese, milk and the nonfat dry powder that's a benchmark for global exports, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture forecasts. Futures for delivery in September 2010 are trading about 56 percent above current prices on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Retail butter prices might rise above the record of $3.937 a pound and Cheddar cheese might top $5.097 a pound, according to Jerry Dryer, 65, editor of the industry newsletter Dairy & Food Market Analyst in Delray Beach, Fla. Farmers are culling herds because exports plunged 26 percent in the first four months of the year, supplies rose and the cost of corn, the primary feed ingredient, averaged almost $4 a bushel. ''No one is making money producing milk,'' Wells Fargo's Swanson said. ''The milk price remains well below the total cost of production.'' U.S. output increased to a record 16.73 billion pounds in May as cows on average produced 1,804 pounds each, the most ever, the USDA said June 18. A gallon weighs 8.6 pounds. Wholesale milk fell 51 percent in the past year and reached $9.93 per 100 pounds on June 19 on the CME. The USDA forecasts average cash prices this year will drop 34 percent, the most since the agency began keeping the data in 1980. While corn fell to $4.195 last week from a record $7.9925 a bushel in June 2008, it's still 54 percent above the decade average. In California, the largest milk-producing state, dairies lost $1.07 per 100 pounds in April, compared with profit of $11.23 in July 2007, based on feed costs and milk prices, USDA data show. In January, the state was the most unprofitable in at least six years of record-keeping. It takes about 24 months and $1,600 to feed and care for a dairy heifer before it starts producing milk. The price of a young cow ready for milking has dropped by half in the past year to $1,200, he said. U.S. milk production will fall 1.3 percent to 187.5 billion pounds this year from last year's record, and to 186.4 billion in 2010, the first back-to-back decline since 1969, the USDA said June 20. Prices probably will rise at least 25 percent by the second half of 2010 as production slows and consumption rebounds with an improving economy next year, said Kelvin Wickham, managing director of global trade at Fonterra Cooperative Group Ltd. of Auckland, New Zealand, the world's largest dairy exporter. ''We do expect prices to trend higher toward the back half of the year,'' said Jack Callahan, the chief financial officer at Dallas-based Dean Foods Inc., the biggest U.S. processor and parent of Reiter Dairy operations in Akron.
  4. Thank you JNDAS. That is indeed more direct. If we as humans neglected our God given duties what good thing can we expect? We as humans today simply want to take, take and take some more. We take the Mothers milk and grow on it and then Mother grows old and it's our turn to care for her we sell her to the butcher who slits her throat for the pleasure of the meat eaters. And it only adds insult to injury that we do this in God's name and feel quite pious over the whole matter. IMO of course.
  5. theist

    cow's milk again

    Milk... Krsna's Miracle Gift To Mankind BY: MAHANANDA DASA Jul 19, USA (SUN) — Vegan or not Vegan, which is correct? " The protection of cows maintains the most miraculous form of food, i.e., milk for maintaining the finer tissues of the brain for understanding higher aims of life." Srila Prabhupada In response to the article posted on Sampradaya Sun promoting veganism in ISKCON temples, I would like to present our view of milk drinking that we have accepted from our spiritual master. Despite the evils of modern dairies and the cruel methods of obtaining milk from the mother cows, or despite the unwanted chemicals that store bought milk might introduce into your body and cause ill effects, still, we do not condemn drinking milk nor support veganism as part of our philosophy. Quite the contrary. The glories of drinking cow's milk are everywhere in Srila Prabhupada's books. And though this may cause some doubts in the minds of those who have embraced vegan-ism, we as devotees faithfully follow the advice of our teacher, though it is sometimes contrary to fads or scientific theory. To sometimes reject scientific evidence is basic to a devotee's understanding of how to reach real knowledge of the actual condition of the living entities, both spiritually and materially. In a few years, vegans may become milk drinkers, or theorist may change their minds many times about the affects of milk, but a devotee remains steady and accepts the Vedic version as it is handed down through disciplic succession. Among the few thousands references to milk in Srila Prabhupada's books and lectures, I would like to point out a few here that will give a different perspective of drinking milk than that of the vegans. Srila Prabhupada says. ''Cow has got special importance because it supplies milk, and milk is very essential food that is... From the childhood, a child lives on milk, and there are many saintly persons, they also live by drinking milk. Milk is very important item in the human society, and it supplies all vitamins. " Also he says "But He's (Krsna) speaking of go-raksya for our special material benefit, that if we protect the cows, we can have the facility of drinking milk, which will help us in keeping our health in order and developing very nice brain tissues to understand spiritual subject matter." Of course, like the vegans, we condemn the inhuman treatment of the cows at the dairies and slaughterhouses. Srila Prabhupada says "the cow's calf not only is beautiful to look at, but also gives satisfaction to the cow, and so she delivers as much milk as possible. But in the Kali-yuga, the calves are separated from the cows as early as possible for purposes which may not be mentioned in these pages of Srimad-Bhagavatam. The cow stands with tears in her eyes, the sudra milkman draws milk from the cow artificially, and when there is no milk the cow is sent to be slaughtered. These greatly sinful acts are responsible for all the troubles in present society. People do not know what they are doing in the name of economic development." Srila Prabhupada also instructed us, "Milk is compared to nectar, which one can drink to become immortal. Of course, simply drinking milk will not make one immortal, but it can increase the duration of one's life. In modern civilization, men do not think milk to be important, and therefore they do not live very long. Although in this age men can live up to one hundred years, their duration of life is reduced because they do not drink large quantities of milk. This is a sign of Kali-yuga. In Kali-yuga, instead of drinking milk, people prefer to slaughter an animal and eat its flesh. The Supreme Personality of Godhead, in His instructions of Bhagavad-Gita, advises go-raksya, which means cow protection. The cow should be protected, milk should be drawn from the cows, and this milk should be prepared in various ways. One should take ample milk, and thus one can prolong one's life, develop his brain, execute devotional service, and ultimately attain the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As it is essential to get food grains and water by digging the earth, it is also essential to give protection to the cows and take nectarean milk from their milk bags." Another reason for milk's consumption is given here. "Animal fat is available in the form of milk, which is the most wonderful of all foods. Milk, butter, cheese and similar products give animal fat in a form which rules out any need for the killing of innocent creatures. It is only through brute mentality that this killing goes on. The civilized method of obtaining needed fat is by milk." Our position on milk drinking as taught in the Vedic literature is summed up in the following words spoken by a disciple of Srila Prabhupada (Madhudvisa dasa), who was with his spiritual master speaking to a Dr. Muncing..... Madhudvisa: "One thing that we would like to mention, as our spiritual master says, there is a definite, according to the Vedic scripture, there is a definite link between consumption of milk and development of fine brain tissues. And if your department of knowledge has some research in that area, we think it would be a great service to mankind if they can be informed how they can develop fine brain tissues. Fine brain tissues which are needed for coping with the problems of this day and age. Not that simply if I disagree with you we'll just fight. There has to be fine brain tissues in order to say, 'Let us sit down and talk about this together. ' And we say, not we, but according to the scripture, there is a definite link between the consumption of milk products, not just milk, but cheese and all different milk products, the consumption of milk products and development of the necessary intellect. This is why, as our spiritual master said, the highly intelligent people of India have lived predominantly, not just drinking milk, but everything they ate was cooked in milk products. The vegetables, rice, even if rice was boiled, milk was put on, ghee was put on the rice. So that is like an unavoidable essential in their diet, not simply from the palatable standpoint, but actually from the relationship between the physical and the metaphysical progress." I have submitted this document in all humility to the Vaisnavas. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. "The cow delivers milk, the miracle of aggregate food values." (Srila Prabhupada) Sincerely, Mahananda dasa ---------- Apparently Mahananda dasa did not pay attention to his own article. Here again is the first sentence: Mahananda dasa needs to understand the difference of protecting cows and exploiting cows. Another question is ifthis commercial milk is so essential for the development of fine brain tissues why is America so lacking in spiritual consciousness?
  6. Bhaktajan, please don't introduce another subject on this thread. The disappearing bees rates a thread of it's own. Anyway the answer would be to drop the pesticides and go organic. The real reason the bees are disappearing could be a reaction to all the animal slaughter. As the planet as a whole develops more into the mode of goodness the environment as a whole becomes more favorable to the development of all things good, like the production of fruits and vegetables. Conversely, as the mode of darkness and ignorance becomes stronger the environment becomes antagonistic to the cultivation of nice things like good produce and other things characteristic of the mode of goodness. So in this way we can a link between the failure to protect cows and other helpless creatures and the loss of the bees.
  7. Ah yes, another attempt to play the Prabhupada card to hide one's own sins.You ask the same question over and over which I have answered on other threads but you never answer mine. Why do you ignore his statement to protect cows yet preach cow protection? I suggest you read the latest posting by Janava Nitai das on the thread "cow's milk again" and try to understand your own pyschology a bit. . If my posting on this subject bothers you why are you daily going to these threads and posting on them. Only attacking what you perceive to be my position and ignoring the subject matter it's self? As for me I told you on another thread that we have nothing further to discuss Please quit following me around the forum. You are starting to feel like a cyber-stalker.
  8. theist

    cow's milk again

    Does Krishna like milk from unprotected cows? «
  9. theist

    cow's milk again

    Attack. Can you get any more emotive? I said already that allowing it until cow protection takes hold is IMO a mistake on the part of Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada taught cow protection. You are the one attacking cows. You cannot deny that cows and calves die and are mistreated by you using dairy from unprotected cows. Dance around all you like you are still killing cows. Ignoring the instruction to protect cows yet still trying to enjoy your mother's milk. But like I said do as you like. Everyone gets the results of their actions and non-actions. But of course you probably consider yourself above karmic reaction because you conduct a ceremony before you eat. In any case no need continuing this discussion. Oh and if you are so tired talking about the issue why are particapating on this thread?
  10. From the Sampradaya Sun. How is Ghee Being Adulterated? BY: MANEKA GANDHI Jul 20, BIHAR, INDIA (TIMES) — Ghee from India could contain all kinds of rendered animal fat. Some years ago it was discovered that owners of Vanaspathi oils were putting cow and pig lard into the oil. There was a furor which died down after a few months and no one knows till today what happened to the Jains who owned the enterprise - but I have little doubt that they got off and a few bureaucrats and policemen are richer. Ghee (from Sanskrit ghrta meaning "sprinkled") is clarified butter, sacred to the gods. On June 13, a ghee manufacturing unit was raided by the health officers and police of Agra. Hundreds of tins of ghee were found in the Jharna nullah locality. The so-called ghee was being manufactured from animal fat boiled in huge iron pans. "25 big drums, 150 tins and four furnaces, knives and country pistols were recovered from the site" a police official said. "Animal hides of cows, monkeys, donkeys, horses and dogs hanging by the trees and bones littered showed the scale of manufacturing being carried out clandestinely for years." Now comes the standard Indian part - "Police said at least 50 people must have been working there in the sheds but none could be caught, probably because the information about the raid was leaked to them." Agra Municipal corporation’s animal husbandry department Chief B.S. Verma said that residents of the locality had complained for years about the spurious manufacturing unit, but the department could not find the unit. TV channels aired footage filmed at ghee manufacturing plants. The footage confirmed that across India, animals were being rendered and their fat added to ghee. The ghee plants had dead animals all around, animal fat boiling in big drums and slabs of fat hanging from the ceilings. Members of ISKCON collected samples of commercial ghee in Pune and sent them to be tested at the Anatech Laboratory and research centre in Bangalore. The tests based on the Fancier-Transbraned Infrared spectrum replication showed beyond a doubt that the ghee contained animal fat. This laboratory, which has analyzed hundreds of ghees, said that of all the brands in India, Amul was the best brand for ghee and butter, with even Nestle adulterated with about 5% vegetable oil fats. They said that most ghee, including Amul, was a mixture of cow and buffalo milk Unfortunately most labs in India do not have the equipment to test. They can simply say that the ghee is adulterated. Why is ghee being adulterated? Firstly, because there is no milk. India prides itself on being the world’s largest producer of leather so all the cows are being killed off rapidly to service the hundreds of leather units in Chennai, Kanpur and Kolkata - which kill lakhs of cows and calves. Recent raids have found that only 30% of the "milk" we drink, is milk. The rest is a mixture of soap, urea, earthworm fat, oil and whiteners. So if there is no milk, how does one get the ghee? 450,000 tonnes of ghee are supposedly made every year, 80% of which is eaten and the rest offered to the gods in rituals that include marriage and death. This is an impossible figure - the actual ghee would be less than a quarter. The second reason is that milk products like ghee only have a 5% profit margin so the only way to be profitable is to use animal fat. If you insist on ghee, make your own. Boil milk. Keep taking the cream off. When the cream is cold, take a wooden stick and churn it. The water separates and the rest becomes unsalted butter. Melt the butter over low heat gradually in a heavy-bottomed pot. Do not stir. Cook until it is a clear golden liquid. It may bubble and foam may form on top which you’ll need to skim off and discard. Remove from heat while the liquid is a clear gold. Any darker and it’s overcooked. Take a large sieve and line it with 4 sheets of cheesecloth or muslin. Place it over a clean dry pot. While still hot, carefully strain the ghee through the cheesecloth-lined sieve into the pot. Transfer the strained ghee carefully into a clean glass jar and shut tightly. Ghee at room temperature looks semi-solid. Ghee can be stored for extended periods without refrigeration, provided it is kept in an airtight container to prevent oxidation. Always use a clean utensil to scoop out ghee.
  11. theist

    Sita Ram Goel on Jesus

    Most of the Bible is composed of Old Testament writing which don't deal with Jesus or his message in anyway and most of the New Testament is a collection of letters written by the leaders of the new Christians to other new Christians and trying to establish the teachings of Jesus in newly formed communities ect. The Gospels themselves tell stories about the life and teachings of Jesus. What we have the teachings of Christ form the basis of Vaisnavism as pertains to human conduct. Only a most wretched demon would look upon the basic teachings of Christ and decry them.
  12. theist

    Onion and Garlic - vedic view

    The thing that I cannot grasp it that some highly intelligent people have fallen into this trap and actually believe that eating said vegetables is the same as eating meat. It's just bizarre. Some years back on this very forum some disciples of a prominent GV guru were here saying those of us who ate carrots were meat eaters. All of these superstitions like an eclipse being some demon swallowing the Sun, really cloud the sublime teaching of transcendental Krishna consciousness.
  13. theist

    Sita Ram Goel on Jesus

    You got 'em Melvin
  14. theist

    Sita Ram Goel on Jesus

    You are attacking Jesus Christ not the Bible. I could care less about the Bible. But if you want to talk about mythology check out the Puranic stories sometime. You believe all you read there? The point still stands. You say this author speaks for you. He says Jesus is junk. So you can live or die by his aparada. As for conversing with you any longer that won't be happening.
  15. theist

    Onion and Garlic - vedic view

    NITAAI ( NITyananda Gauranga Hare Krishna NAAma BhaktI ) Yoga By HH Bhaktiratna Sadhu Swami Gaurangapada (2) Bone of Cow becomes Garlic & meat becomes Onion The Vedas state that onion and garlic came from the dead body of a murdered cow and therefore they are considered like eating meat. They break the non-vegetarian principle from the strict Vedic shastric point of view. Strict vegetarians don’t eat onion nor garlic. Since meat is tamasic (mode of ignorance), onions and garlic are also tamasic and rajasic food (mode of ignorance and passion). They may have some medicinal value like even wine is used in medicines sometimes but no one will die without eating them. Devotees do not eat onion and garlic also for the reason that they cannot offer the food cooked with onion and garlic to the Lord as per the principles of Bhakti yoga. So if the Lord does not accept it, then the devotees do not get prasadam. “Once, in Satya Yuga the rishis were performing gomedha and asvamedha sacrefices for the welfare of the whole universe. A cow or a horse would be cut into pieces and placed in the fire. Afterwards the risis would utter mantras and the same animal would come alive in a beautiful young body. One time the risi who was about to perform a gomedha sacrifice, his wife was pregnant. She had a very strong desire to eat and she had heard that if, during pregnancy one has a desire to eat and does not fullfil this, then the baby that will be born will always have saliva coming from its mouth. Very strangely, she desired strongly to eat meat, thus she decided to keep one piece of meat of the cow’s body that was offered in sacrifice. She hid it and was making a plan to eat it very soon. At that time the rishi was finishing the sacrifice and uttered all the mantras for the new young cow to come to life. However when he saw the new cow, he noticed that there was a little part missing from her left side. He went into meditation and realized that his wife had taken away a piece of meat during the sacrifice. Now his wife also understood what happened and quickly threw the meat far away in a field. Due to the effect of the mantras uttered by the rishi there was now life in this piece of meat. Then the bones in that piece of meat became garlic and the meat became onions in that field. Thus these foods are never taken by any Vaishnava devotee because it is not vegetarian. Plus it is in the mode of ignorance." (3) Blood of demon Saimhikeya becomes Onion & Garlic Here is another story, from Puranic Encylopedia by Vettam Mani (under CANDRA VI.), (Kamba Ramayana, Yuddha Kanda and Bhagavata, Astama Skandha. Kamba Ramayana is a Tamil text by poet Kambar): “Solar eclipse according to the Puranas. The Devas and the asuras jointly churned Ksirabdhi wherefrom emerged Dhanvantari with the Amrtakumbha (pot of nectar). But an asura mayavi (magician) called Saimhikeya absconded to Patala with the Amrtakumbha which nobody noticed as everybody was busy with dividing other divine objects. Only after the mayavi’s disappearance was it noticed that the Amrtakumbha was missing. At once Mahavishnu assumed the figure of a beautiful woman, got back the Kumbha and gave it to the devas. The devas began drinking the amrta when, at the instance of some other devas, Saimhikeya, the mayavi, assuming the form of an old Brahmin reached svarga, got a share of the amrta and began to drink it. Surya and Candra (Sun and Moon) who were on guard at the gates divined the secret of the ‘old Brahmin’ and informed Mahavishnu about it. He cut the throat of the pseudo-Brahmin with his Sudarsana Chakra. But, half of the nectar he had drunk stayed above the throat and the other half below it. Therefore, though the head and the trunk were severed they remained alive. These two parts, in course of time, evolved as Rahu and Ketu. When the throat was cut some blood dropped on on the ground, and became the red onion and the white onion (garlic) respectively. So both onion and garlic originated from the throat and blood of the demons or asuras, thus their consumption brings us closer to tamo guna (mode of ignorance) which characterizes the nature of the demons and thus is detrimental to Bhakti.” --------------------- So in the Puranas there a differing stories to the nasty origins of onion and garlic so I guess you will have to take your choice on which to believe. Myself I don't believe either one. One thing though appears certain. These stories are the origins of the demonization of garlic and onion in India. If there are scientific reasons to avoid them then fine but to let these myths alone rule our thinking and actions is a silly thing IMO.
  16. theist

    cow's milk again

    As I said above I disagree with Srila Prabhupada on several points. Also I do not call myself a follower. I may or may not ever be a follower but I will never call myself one. If the totality of my life does not bear witness to a Krishna conscious life then what value would there be in a verbal proclamation? If my life does bear witness to a Krishna conscious life then what need of a verbal proclamation? I think your first sentence is worded in a way you did not mean. IMO cow protection is more important than consuming dairy products. I believe it would have been far better if he had forbidden the consumption of dairy until cow protection was in place. No one said Prabhupada was a "bad person" and FU for trying to put those words in my mouth. No rational person can deny that supporting the demonic dairy industry is supporting cow slaughter. Can you deny the plain facts of it? Again this line of questions is really pissing me off. There is a huge difference between being unethical and chosing a wrong course of action. Well actually it is an allergy to milk protein. Milk p[roducts taken several days in a row will make me quite ill. But even though health concerns were my original reason for being vegan I later learned of the horrors of the dairy industry and that is enough to become vegan and to promote it heavily. Good deal. I just proved it in my last post. Using your quote that Srila Prabhupada said to offer commercial milk only until cow protection was established. That was over 40 years ago and it is clear cow protection in the vedic model will never be established within the next 100 years in the West to any significant degree that leaves veganism as the ONLY viable method of cow protection that we have. So it is clear that Srila Prabhupada was in favor of cow protection and you as a dairy consumer are not protecting cows but rather supporting there slaughter the onus is really on you to show that you will be a follower of Srila Prabhupada's instruction to protect the cows. Will you now?
  17. theist

    cow's milk again

    Which hasn't been done or even seriously tried except by a handful of devotees. TIME'S UP! Stop killing cows in Krishna's name!!!
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    Which is more important?

    Coconut milk, yummm...1st class.
  19. Which is more important to you? Drinking milk from enslaved, mistreated and ultimately slaughtered cows or foregoing the drinking of such milk until it can be obtained from protected cows? I am so tired of this phony talk of the cow as our 'Blessed Mother' etc. etc. by people who support the enslavement and ultimate slaughter of said "Mothers". Stop supporting and promoting cow slaughter Kurma das (not the chef). Vegans, Vegetarians, Milk and Cows BY: KURMA DASA (NOT THE CHEF) Jul 17, AUSTRALIA (SUN) — There has been much discussion recently about devotees converting to be Vegans under the instructions of their voted-in ISKCON guru. Practically everywhere in Srila Prabhupada's books we learn about the importance of the Cow, as our mother and her milk and by-products as quintessential for development and growth, particularly in children. Aside from this is another very important issue in regards to the acceptance of prasadam at ISKCON temples around the world, which is that we are to accept with respect whatever prasadam is offered. The temples are not a facility for placing orders for special diets ...no! Prasadam is a very deeply spiritual experience, it's not that we can rock up to the prasadam room or hall, and place orders. However this is certainly what is happening here in Australia. Devotees who are taking to this Vegan diet on the advice of guru are changing operations to make the temple work for them, rather than them accepting the way that the temples have operated since Srila Prabhupada inaugurated them. This creates confusion for devotees at the Temples who do not adopt Vegan-ism. ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada's Society and everything to be said and done has already been fixed by Srila Prabhupada. Devotees are neither Vegan's or Vegetarians, we are servants of Srila Prabhupada and His instructions. And His instructions are that cows and cow's milk as prasadam are important parts of our Krishna Consciousness Movement and lives. Instead of converting to Vegans, why not work out better ways to take on the burden of protecting more cows?
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    Sita Ram Goel on Jesus

    How do we accept the subject s being separate from the thread staters motive. I am accusing you of posting in order to criticize Christ and that I personally object to.So I will call you out on it as I wish.
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    Sita Ram Goel on Jesus

    Well I don't believe the Bible is inerrant scripture. There are very inspirational portions and some horrific nonsense in the Old Testament for instance. I have never read the whole Bible or even half of it. The teachings of Christ Himself is another matter.
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    Sita Ram Goel on Jesus

    Request denied. I am interested in your motive. There is nothing in your opening post that is edifying in any way. So I ask you what are you trying to accomplish. As far as I am concerned you have made yourself the topic. It is clear you want to hide behind this author to express your own feelings. Like Srila Prabhupada I consider Jesus Christ as shakyavesa-avatar and guru to the world. So in my eyes you are posting crap against God's ambassador. Naturally I am going to challenge you openly.
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    Sita Ram Goel on Jesus

    So the question arises as to why you Smiley would start such a thread based on the brayings of an offensive ass. What is your motive? Do you even know?
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    Sita Ram Goel on Jesus

    I couldn't read the whole post. The man is an offensive fool.
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