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  1. theist

    Krishna as mediator as friend

    If you want Krishna as a friend all you need to is chant His name and hold the desire very strongly to be the friend of God or Krishna. The truth is Krishna is already the friend of everyone. Now we must become His friend. Hare Krishna
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    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    Basically you are speaking impersonalist ideas. I would suggest trying to hear Vaisnava doctrine for what it is instead of everytime trying to make it conform to your preconceived ideas on what is or should be. You would still be free to disagree with the Vaishnava view of Reality, of course, but at least you would know what you are disagreeing with.
  3. theist

    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    . Yes it can be seen as a staged process and individuality does indeed continue after liberation. The Vaishnava's maintain that not only is individuality maintained after liberation but that there is one supreme individual who is unlimited whereas all the jivas are infitesimal. We have arrived back at the Sun and photons example which hopefully make sense to you this time around. The variegated spiritual world is composed of the two types of individuals and their relationship.
  4. theist

    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    By in Godhead I meant post liberation and living in the realm of eternity together. I take it your thought is that the jivas merge into the one great non-differentiated Self at liberation and their identities all merge as well.
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    Who is a Vaishnav?

    How can you separate being a good human being from understanding the goal of human life when achieving or at least striving to achieve the goal of human life is what makes one a good human being. No we should not wait to get a vision of our ultimate goal because without the proper vision we will not know what direction to strive towards. The supreme goal of human life is to come to a point of pure love for God.
  6. theist

    Who is a Vaishnav?

    Real Vaishnavism - Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati The word 'Vaishnavism' indicates the normal, eternal and natural condition, functions and devotional characteristics of all individual souls in relation to Vishnu, the Supreme, the All-pervading Soul. But such an unnatural, unpleasant and regrettable sense has been attributed to the word as to naturally make one understand by the word, Vaishnava (literally a pure and selfless worshipper of Vishnu), a human form with twelve peculiar signs (Tilaka) and dress on, worshipping many gods under the garb of a particular God and hating another human form who marks himself with different signs, puts on a different dress and worships a different God in a different way as is the case with the words 'Shaiva', 'Shakta', 'Ganapatya', 'Jaina', 'Buddhist', 'Mohammedan', 'Christian' etc. This is the most unnatural, unpleasant and regrettable sense of the word, 'Vaishnava', which literally and naturally means one who worships Vishnu out of pure love expecting nothing from Him in return. Vishnu, the Supreme, All-pervading Soul gives life and meaning to all that is. He is the highest unchallengeable Truth devoid of illusion everywhere and through eternity. He is Sat - ever-existing, Chit - all-knowing, Ananda - ever-blissful and fully free. He is in jivas and jivas are in Him, as are the rays in the glowing sun and the particles of water in the vast rolling ocean. As nothing but heat and light of the sun, and coldness, liquidity etc. of the sea is found in the constituents of the rays and the particles of water respectively, so nothing but Sat, Chit or free-will and Ananda is found in the jiva. The ingredients and attributes of the whole must remain in the part in a smaller degree. So the part is identical with the whole when taken qualitatively and different, when taken quantitatively. This is the true and eternal relation between jiva and Vishnu. So He always prevails over jiva who is also ever subject to Him. As the service of the master is the fundamental function of the servant, so the service of Vishnu is natural and inherent in jiva and it is called Vaishnavata or Vaishnavism and every jiva is a Vaishnava. As a person possessing immense riches is called a miser if he does not display and make proper use of them, so jivas when they do not display Vaishnavata, are called falses though in reality they are so.
  7. theist

    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    Primate, the same doubt somehow always lingers with me after reading your posts. You agree that God is a person. Now please let me hear you clearly and simply state that there is more than one person in Godhead.
  8. And so the obvious point is the one Supreme God the Muslims and Christians and Indian Vaisnava's call out to by different names is the same God although the understanding of the nature of that God by the adherents of different religions may be on different levels of maturity. Those that are outside of this understanding are the mayavadi's and polytheists whereever they may be found. But yet as simple as this is to understand we see the Muslims and Christians condemning the Indian Vaisnavas as worshippers of some strange god called Visnu or Krishna thinking Him to be one of the Hindus many demi-gods. We can understand their confusion because afterall the Hindus do seem to have a god for everything. Just this last week on this forum I learned they have a smallpox god they worship with weekly fasting etc. But maybe the strangest thing of all is some of those involved in bone fide Vaisnava sampradaya's who can't seem to shake the small minded sectarian viewpoint that the God of all existence, all the innumerable universes, must come from India and have a sankrit name and that He is so limited that He cannot send His messengers elsewhere to spread God conscious and draw suffering living beings back to His shelter. Personally I seek to distance myself from all such narrow mindness rather it comes in the form of a human form dressed nicely in dhoti, tilak and sikha or not.
  9. Is it a glass of water or a glass of jal? Only an idiot could not understand a point this simple.
  10. theist

    collaboration

    Yes, helplessness is a difficult feeling for those of us in matter who are here trying to be the absolute controller. It is confusing and frustrating. You can't predict anything with any certainty. Well why do you think you should be able too? With all the factors that are outside of your influence (not control because you cannot control anything fully anyway). You cannot quaruntee with certainty that you can cross a street without dying from some cause. The only way to deal with this situation and retain (regain) sanity is to become humble before God and place all our trust in Him.
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    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    Yes I am conscious that is not in doubt. Sorry I couldn't word my last post any clearer for you.
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    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    I don't get the implication though. Maybe it's just me but I find it helpful to always stress that even though consciousness means personal that there is a clear distintion in consciousness even though there is also a unity. In liberated consciousness there is still unlimited variety because we are distinct living beings eternally. For instance when liberated you will have one type of liberated conscious experience and I will have another. Why the distinction? Because liberation in theism really means liberation in relationship to the Supreme Person. Relationship here means rasa. You may have the relationship of being His most intimate friend and I may have a more passive relationship. This is how it is with Krishna and all His unlimited parts and parcels. He relates to us all and has His own personal conscious experience with each of us personally and individually. In these times when the death cult of impersonalism is trying to swallow the world I believe it very necessary to stress the distinction aspect of liberation and not leave it to implication because the implication will be missed 90% of the time.
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    Trust No Future, However Pleasant

    Never heard the whole quote before. I like it. Here's one from Bhaktivinode Thakur along the same line. "Forget the past it sleeps, And ner the future dream at all. Act in times that are with thee, And progress thee shall call."
  14. theist

    Ghee for aarti

    Lokesvara, you will definetly want to read this article before buying or using "ghee". http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/454855-maneka-gandhi-indias-ghee.html
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    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    Any mayavadi here is asked to take on these points one by one or please take to a cave and practice silence.
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    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    Ok, but God is not limited to being just consciousness. Just left at this statement is impersonalism. He has a variety of energies which are all under His control. Your statements sometimes sound impersonal to me. I may be wrong though. You often use the term Self which is good but along with Self there is always Superself. Do you agree?
  17. theist

    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    Yes to think the universal body runs without an intelligence shows no intelligence. Then the next question must be Whose intelligence? At this level form of God is not yet a question but that a person, an individual willing being must be behind it all. And that intelligence must indeed be Supreme. Foolish mayavadi's want us to believe that impersonal Brahman wanted to enjoy lila so It expanded itself into all these individuals who are under going birth death old age and disease. So many foolish things contained within this idea. The idea of Brahman wanting something to fulfill Itself says that Brahman is dissatisfied with Itself. How can that be? Dissatisfaction implies a person who is dissatisfied. And the act of seeking satisfaction also is only capable by a person. Another point is if Brahman created birth and death to gain further satisfaction from what was previously supposed to be a perfect condition had why didn't it work? Having failed to find further bliss in samsara now Brahman wants to merge back into itself to stop further suffering. People will come up with the most ridiculous ideas to avoid admitting that God is a person and we are persons subordinate to Him.
  18. theist

    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    Ok gotcha. I agree, we are parts of God and a certain partial manifestation of His Person. One and different. Not at all a "highly speculative proposition."
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    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    I believe this is due to a couple of things. 1. the shortage of specific philosophy in the Bible on this point 2. All the New Agey hodge podge impersonaist type philosophy that is now permeating North America. Devotees are supposed to be helping the Christians into a more specific understanding of the Supreme Person instead of engaging in an infantile war of theology with them which some are doing. This was Srila Prabhupada's vision.
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    Personal vs. Impersonal God

    I don't understand this primate. Please flush it out for me a bit.
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    Vegan vs vegetarian

    Perhaps but the truth of the statement are from Paramatma. You can't deny that. Rather it makes you uncomfortable or not to face the fact that you are engaged in cow killing by drinking commercial milk, you are. That fact you have not been able to refute. It just remains t be seen what you will do with it. The ball is in your court bubba. PETA's position is cow protection. You claim to have some secret something beyond that. I thought for a second you may have been having a moment of clear thinking but I guess not.
  22. theist

    Vegan vs vegetarian

    Sounds good. PeTA has an Action Alert page. There are always several projects happening where we e bomb various places to raise awareness. Fashion shops that sell fur are always a good target. Many have removed fur products from their stores. Check it out. Retailers are afraid of PeTA. A couple years ago, the local Whole Foods here decided to offer live lobsters for sale for people to buy and take home to boil alive. When I saw this I was outraged and sent Whole Foods a letter stating my opposition and I mentioned I had alerted PeTA also, which I had. I received no reply from Whole Foods but the big lobster sale was stopped immediately before it was advertised to end and they no longer sell lobster. They envisioned PeTA protesting at their door and they freaked out. There are many successes that are due to PeTA. They are a great organization. For devotees we can only keep the issue of milk from tortured and slaughtered cows coming up and once devotees look at the details of the issue with an open mind they are bound to take a vow to use milk from protected cows only. Thanks for your interest gHari and I hope you will excuse my coarse and often abrasive manner but you surely know me by now. I mean to be emotive to get people to take this issue seriously but no hard feelings OK? dandavats
  23. theist

    Vegan vs vegetarian

    I know you don't smoke gHari. I was kidding. No one is talking about stopping cows from being born. The focus is very one pointed. There is no need to discuss side points. We want all cows as well as other animals to live protected from cruelty and slaughter. Animals are to be treated like children, not slaughtered and consumed for their meat and milk.
  24. theist

    Vegan vs vegetarian

    Why are jivas born as birds or anything else Are you smoking ganja gHari? What are you talking about. Man all I know is I can't understand your post. I know I'm not too bright so can you rephrase this?
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