Raguraman
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Pat Robertson likes to take things out of context, or to put a certain spin. Still, it is true there are tensions between Christian missionaries and Hindus in India. It is true that Hinduism teaches to respect various paths, but thats if it is practiced perfectly. In the end, we all have our biases, and often economics are at the heart of these tensions. Many see these Christians with their millions of dollars as infringing upon the native culture, and causing social disruption. Now, at times the social atmosphere they are disrupting is corrupt, as when untouchables are given 5th class status. You can't really fault such people for converting to Christianity. In any event, there is not much one can do on either side.
Does this justify Robertson's actions. You seem to be justifying his actions.
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Pat Robertson is the first class example of CHRISTIAN EVANGELIST. Their aim is to spread Christianity all over the world. This demented personality is known for his HATRED of Hindus and Hinduism. Let this quack talk whatever he wants to?
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Vaishnava_das108 wrote:
It is also evident that Ahmed is confusing the description as given in the Eleventh Chapter of the virat-rupa. More precisely, he is thinking of the Narayana form that was shown to Arjuna after the display of the virat-rupa. Ahmed is obviously ignorant of the fact that Narayana is not the same as Krishna, and Narayana certainly does not spend any time playing flutes. This confusion certainly does not show how Krishna in any case is simply a messenger of God.
Also, there is no mention of any wings anywhere. Confusion confounded!
This is very wrong !
Narayana is Krishna and Krishna is Narayana. There is no difference. To say such a thing amounts to saying that GOD becomes different things or GOD has different parts. Virat Rupa is the form of "the one Purusha" which is same "the eternal Brahma" which is the same "Narayana=Krishna".
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Well since nobody replied,
"They go to the final bath; they deposit the pots, but lift up (the vessels) for Vayu; therefore they deposit a daughter on birth, a son they lift up."
I have to ask whether the above verse authorize one to abandon female babies.
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While reading BHISMA PARVA of Mahabharatha, I found that yugas are applicable ONLY TO BHARATAVARSA.
Sanjaya while explaining Bharata Varsa to Dhritarashtra says that in Bharata Varsa four yugas exist. While explaining other regions he says no such things. Probably some body could post the translation for this part of Mahabharath.
Also is it possible for somebody to explain different regions explained in this section (like Jambudvipa and its different Varshas) with respect to present day countries that exist.
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http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/ind/aind/ved/yvs/ts/ts.htm
Paragraph: 10
Verse: 1
Sentence: 1 gráh?n v?? ánu praj??? pa?áva? prá j?yante \
Sentence: 2 up?m??vantary?m??v aj?váya?
Sentence: 3 ?ukr??mant?ínau púru??s \
Sentence: 4 r?tugrah??n éka?ap??s \
Sentence: 5 ?dityagrahá? g??vas \
Sentence: 6 ?dityagrahó b???yi????b?ir r?gb?ír gr?hyate
Sentence: 7 tásm?d g??va? pa??n??m b???yi????s \
Sentence: 8 yát trír up?m??úm? hástena vigr?h???ti
Sentence: 9 tásm?d dváu tr??n aj?? janáyaty át???vayo b???yas??
Sentence: 10 pit?? v?? e?á yád ?graya?á? putrá? kalá?as \
Sentence: 11 yád ?graya?á upadásyet kalá??d gr?h??y?t \
Sentence: 12 yát?? pit?? //
Verse: 2
Sentence: 1 putrá? k?itá upad???vati t?d??g evá tát \
Sentence: 2 yát kalá?a upadásyed ?graya???d gr?h??y?t \
Sentence: 3 yát?? putrá? pitára? k?itá upad???vati t?d??g evá tát \
Sentence: 4 ?tm?? v?? e?á yajñásya yád ?graya?ás \
Sentence: 5 yád gráho v? kalá?o vopadásyed ?graya???d gr?h??y?t \
Sentence: 6 ?tmána ev??d?i yajñá? ní? karoti \
Sentence: 7 ávijñ?to v?? e?á gr?hyate yád ?graya?ás \
Sentence: 8 st??ly?? gr?h???ti v?yavyèna juhoti tásm?t //
Verse: 3
Sentence: 1 gárb?e???vijñ?tena brahmah?? \
Sentence: 2 avab?r?t?ám áva yanti
Sentence: 3 pár? st??l??r ásyanty úd v?yavy??ni haranti
Sentence: 4 tásm?t stríya? j?t??m pár?syanty út púm?m?sam? haranti
Sentence: 5 yátpurorúcam ??ha yát?? vásyasa ?hárati t?d??g evá tát \
Sentence: 6 yád gráha? gr?h???ti yát?? vásyasa ?h??tya pr??ha t?d??g evá tát \
Sentence: 7 yát s?dáyati yát?? vásyasa upanid???y?pakr??mati t?d??g evá tát \
Sentence: 8 yád vái yajñásya s??mn? yáju?? kriyáte ?it?ilá? tát \
Sentence: 9 yád r?c?? tád dr???ám
Sentence: 10 purást?dupay?m? yáju?? gr?hyanta upári???dupay?m? r?c?? yajñásya d???tyai //
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http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/yv/yv06.htm
vi. 5. 10.
Offspring and cattle are born through the cups, goats and sheep through the Upançu and Antaryama, men through the Çukra and Manthin, whole-hooved animals through the season-cups, kine through the Aditya cup. The Aditya cup is drawn with the largest number of Rcs; therefore kine axe the most numerous of cattle; in that he thrice draws apart with his hand the Upançu (cup), therefore the female goat gives birth to two or three, but sheep are more numerous. The Agrayana is the father, the tub is the son; if the Agrayana is exhausted, he should draw from the tub; that is as when a father [1] in destitution has recourse to his son. If the tub is exhausted, he should draw from the Agrayana; that is as when a son in destitution has recourse to his father. The Agrayana is the self of the sacrifice; if the cup or the tub should be exhausted, he should draw from the Agrayana; verily from the self he develops the sacrifice. The Agrayana is drawn (with a verse) in which there is no discriminating mark; he draws with a pot, he offers with (the vessel) for Vayu; therefore [2] (a man) is a slayer of a Brahman (through slaying) an embryo which has not been discriminated. They go to the final bath; they deposit the pots, but lift up (the vessels) for Vayu; therefore they deposit a daughter on birth, a son they lift up. In that be utters the Puroruc, it is as when one brings (something) to a superior; in that he draws the cup, it is as when having brought (something) to a superior one proclaims (it); in that he puts it down, it is as when having deposited something with a superior one goes away. Whatever of the sacrifice is accompanied by a Saman or Yajus, is loose; whatever by a Rc is firm; they are drawn with a support in front to the accompaniment of a Yajus, (they are drawn) with a support behind to the accompaniment of a Rc, for the support of the sacrifice.
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Although Yajur veda has English translation online, I like to understand what is explained here in the above verses. Can somebody help me.
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Dear Shiva,
I agree that everything has origin in GOD.
But only VEDAS are apaurasheya and rest have HUMAN ORIGIN which includes QURAN as well.
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Dear Shiva,
I agree that everything has origin in GOD.
But only VEDAS are apaurasheya and rest have HUMAN ORIGIN which includes QURAN as well.
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He is the great Boar, He is the great Lion, and -He is the Three-stepped Lord. He is the Mother and the Father of all living creatures, There never was, nor will be, any superior to Him of eyes like lotus petals, From His mouth He created the Brahmanas: and from His tvo arms the Ksbatriyas, and from His thighs, 0 king, He created the Vaisyas, and from His feet He created the Sudras. One waiting dutifully on Him, observant of vows with ascetic austerities on days of the full moon, and the new moon, is sure to obtain the Divine Kesava, that refuge of all embodied creatures, that essence of Brahma and of Yoga, Kesava is the highest Energy, the Grandsire of all the worlds. Him, 0 king, the sages call Hrishikesa (the lord of the senses). Him also should all know as the Preceptor, the Father, and the Master. Inexhaustible regions ( of blessedness) are won by him with whom Krishna is gratified. He also who, in a place of fear, seeketh the protection of Kesava, and he who frequently readeth this description, becometh happy and endued with every prosperity. Those men who attain to Krishna are never beguiled, Janarddana always saveth those that are sunk in great terrors. Knowing this truly, 0 Bhtkrata, Yudhishthira, with his whole soul, 0 king, hath sought the shelter of the highly blessed Kesava, the Lord of Yoga, and the Lord of the Earth."
SECTION LXVIII
"Bhishma said,'Hear from me, 0 king, this hymn that was uttered by Brahman himself. This hymn was in days of old communicated by regenerate Rishis and the Gods ( to men ) on Earth-Narada described thee as the Master and the Lord of the god of gods and all the Sadhyaa and the colestials, and as one acquainted with the nature of the Creator of the worlds. Markandeya spoke of thee as the Past, the Present, and the -Future, and the Sacrifice of Sacrifices, and the austerity of austerities. The illustrious Bhrigu said of thee that thou art the God of the gods, that thine is the ancient form of Vishnu. Dwaipayana said of thee that thou art Vasudeva of the Vasus, the establisher of Sakra, and the God of gods and all creatures. In days of old on the occasion of peocreating creatures, the sages spoke of thee as Daksha, the Father of creation. Angiras said that thou art the creator of all beings. Devala said of thee that the unmanifest All is thy body, and the manifest is in thy mind, and that the gods are all the result of thy breath.' With thy heads is pervaded the heavens, and thy two arms support the Earth. In thy stomach are three worlds and thou art the Eternal Being. Even thus do men exalted by asceticism know thee. Thou art the Sat of Sat, with Rishis gratified with sight of Self with royal sages of liberal minds, never retreating from battle and having morality for their highest end, thou, 0 slayer of Madhu, art, the sole refuge. Even thus is that illustrious and Supreme Being, viz., Hari, adored and worshipped by Sanatkumar and other ascetics endued with Yoga. The truth about Kesava, 0 sire, is now narrated to thee, both in brief and detail. Turn thy heart in love to Kesava.'
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He is the great Boar, He is the great Lion, and -He is the Three-stepped Lord. He is the Mother and the Father of all living creatures, There never was, nor will be, any superior to Him of eyes like lotus petals, From His mouth He created the Brahmanas: and from His tvo arms the Ksbatriyas, and from His thighs, 0 king, He created the Vaisyas, and from His feet He created the Sudras. One waiting dutifully on Him, observant of vows with ascetic austerities on days of the full moon, and the new moon, is sure to obtain the Divine Kesava, that refuge of all embodied creatures, that essence of Brahma and of Yoga, Kesava is the highest Energy, the Grandsire of all the worlds. Him, 0 king, the sages call Hrishikesa (the lord of the senses). Him also should all know as the Preceptor, the Father, and the Master. Inexhaustible regions ( of blessedness) are won by him with whom Krishna is gratified. He also who, in a place of fear, seeketh the protection of Kesava, and he who frequently readeth this description, becometh happy and endued with every prosperity. Those men who attain to Krishna are never beguiled, Janarddana always saveth those that are sunk in great terrors. Knowing this truly, 0 Bhtkrata, Yudhishthira, with his whole soul, 0 king, hath sought the shelter of the highly blessed Kesava, the Lord of Yoga, and the Lord of the Earth."
SECTION LXVIII
"Bhishma said,'Hear from me, 0 king, this hymn that was uttered by Brahman himself. This hymn was in days of old communicated by regenerate Rishis and the Gods ( to men ) on Earth-Narada described thee as the Master and the Lord of the god of gods and all the Sadhyaa and the colestials, and as one acquainted with the nature of the Creator of the worlds. Markandeya spoke of thee as the Past, the Present, and the -Future, and the Sacrifice of Sacrifices, and the austerity of austerities. The illustrious Bhrigu said of thee that thou art the God of the gods, that thine is the ancient form of Vishnu. Dwaipayana said of thee that thou art Vasudeva of the Vasus, the establisher of Sakra, and the God of gods and all creatures. In days of old on the occasion of peocreating creatures, the sages spoke of thee as Daksha, the Father of creation. Angiras said that thou art the creator of all beings. Devala said of thee that the unmanifest All is thy body, and the manifest is in thy mind, and that the gods are all the result of thy breath.' With thy heads is pervaded the heavens, and thy two arms support the Earth. In thy stomach are three worlds and thou art the Eternal Being. Even thus do men exalted by asceticism know thee. Thou art the Sat of Sat, with Rishis gratified with sight of Self with royal sages of liberal minds, never retreating from battle and having morality for their highest end, thou, 0 slayer of Madhu, art, the sole refuge. Even thus is that illustrious and Supreme Being, viz., Hari, adored and worshipped by Sanatkumar and other ascetics endued with Yoga. The truth about Kesava, 0 sire, is now narrated to thee, both in brief and detail. Turn thy heart in love to Kesava.'
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He it is whom Brahmanas and Kshatriyas and Vaisyas and Sudras, having distinctive features of their own, humbly serve and worship with restrained bearts and performing their own duties. He it is who, towards the close of the Dwapara Yuga and the beginning of the Kali Yuga, is sung of with Sankarshana, by believers with devotion. It is that Vasudeva that createth, Yuga after Yuga, the worlds of the gods and the mortals, all cities girt by the sea, and the region of human habitation."
SECTION LXVII
"Duryodhana said, 'In all the worlds Vasudeva is spoken of as the Supreme being. I desire, 0 Grandsire, to know his origin and glory.'
"Bhishma said, 'Vasudeva is the Supreme Being. He is the God of all Gods. None superior to him of eyes like lotus petals is to be seen, 0 bull of Bharata's race. Markandeya speaketh of Govinda as the Most Wonderful and the Most high, as the All-being, as the All-soul, as the Highest soul, and as the Supreme male Being. Water, Air, and Fire,- these three and we are created by Him. That Divine Master and Lord of all the worlds created this Earth. That Supreme Being of illustrious soul laid himself down on the waters and that Divine Being made up of all kinds of energy slept thereon in Yoga. From his mouth He created Fire, and from his breath, the Wind. Of unfading glory, He created from his mouth Speech and the Vedas. It was thus that be created first the Worlds and also the Gods along with the diverse classes of Rishis. And he created decay and death also of all creatures, as well as birth and growth. He is Righteousness and of righteous soul. He is the giver of boons and the giver of all (our) wishes. He is the Actor and Action, and He is himself the Divine Master.' He first made the 'Past, the Present, and the Future ; He is the Creator of the Universe, He is of illustrious soul -, He is the Master possessed of unfading glory. He created Sankarshana, the First-born of all creatures. He created the divine Sesha who is known as Ananta and who upboldeth all creatures and the Earth with her mountains. Of Supreme Energy, He it is whom the regenerate ones know by yoga meditation. Sprung frorn the secretions of his ear, the great Asura known by the name of Madhu, fierce and of fierce deeds and entertaining a fierce intent and about to destroy Brahman, was slain by that Supreme Being. And, 0 sire, in consequence of Madhu's slaughter, the gods, the Danavas, and human beings, and Rishis, call Janarddana the slayer of Madhu.
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He it is whom Brahmanas and Kshatriyas and Vaisyas and Sudras, having distinctive features of their own, humbly serve and worship with restrained bearts and performing their own duties. He it is who, towards the close of the Dwapara Yuga and the beginning of the Kali Yuga, is sung of with Sankarshana, by believers with devotion. It is that Vasudeva that createth, Yuga after Yuga, the worlds of the gods and the mortals, all cities girt by the sea, and the region of human habitation."
SECTION LXVII
"Duryodhana said, 'In all the worlds Vasudeva is spoken of as the Supreme being. I desire, 0 Grandsire, to know his origin and glory.'
"Bhishma said, 'Vasudeva is the Supreme Being. He is the God of all Gods. None superior to him of eyes like lotus petals is to be seen, 0 bull of Bharata's race. Markandeya speaketh of Govinda as the Most Wonderful and the Most high, as the All-being, as the All-soul, as the Highest soul, and as the Supreme male Being. Water, Air, and Fire,- these three and we are created by Him. That Divine Master and Lord of all the worlds created this Earth. That Supreme Being of illustrious soul laid himself down on the waters and that Divine Being made up of all kinds of energy slept thereon in Yoga. From his mouth He created Fire, and from his breath, the Wind. Of unfading glory, He created from his mouth Speech and the Vedas. It was thus that be created first the Worlds and also the Gods along with the diverse classes of Rishis. And he created decay and death also of all creatures, as well as birth and growth. He is Righteousness and of righteous soul. He is the giver of boons and the giver of all (our) wishes. He is the Actor and Action, and He is himself the Divine Master.' He first made the 'Past, the Present, and the Future ; He is the Creator of the Universe, He is of illustrious soul -, He is the Master possessed of unfading glory. He created Sankarshana, the First-born of all creatures. He created the divine Sesha who is known as Ananta and who upboldeth all creatures and the Earth with her mountains. Of Supreme Energy, He it is whom the regenerate ones know by yoga meditation. Sprung frorn the secretions of his ear, the great Asura known by the name of Madhu, fierce and of fierce deeds and entertaining a fierce intent and about to destroy Brahman, was slain by that Supreme Being. And, 0 sire, in consequence of Madhu's slaughter, the gods, the Danavas, and human beings, and Rishis, call Janarddana the slayer of Madhu.
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Soul of the mobile and the immobile creation, that one bearing the auspicious wheel (on his breast), that one of dazzling effulgence, that one from whose navel hath sprung the (primeval) lotus. He who disregardeth that wearer of the diadem and the Kaustuva gem, that dis- peller of fears of his friends, that bigh-souled one, sinketh in thick darkness. Having known all these truths duly, that Lord of the worlds, viz., Vasudeva, should be adored by every one, ye best of gods.'
"Bhishma continued,-Having said these words unto those gods and Rishis in days of yore, the illustrious Grandsire, dismissing them all, repaired to his own abode. And the gods and the Gandharvas, and the Munis and the Apsaras also, having listened to those words spoken by Brahman, were filled with delight and repaired to heaven, Even this was heard by me, 0 sire, from Rishis of cultured soul talking in their assembly, of Vasudeva, that ancient one. And 0 thou that art well versed in scriptures, I heard this from Rama, the son of Jamadagni, and Markandeya of great wisdom, and Vyasa and Narada also. Having learnt all this and heard of the illustrious Vasudeva as the Eternal Lord, the Supreme God of all the worlds, and the great Master, from whom hath sprung Brahman himself, the Father of the Universe, why should not that Vasudeva be adored and worshipped by men ? Firbidden art thou before, 0 sire, by sages of cultured souls, (who said unto thee) -Never go to war with that Vasudeva armed with bow as also with the Pandavas. This, from folly, thou couldst not apprehend. I regard thee therefore, as a wicked Rakshasa. Thou art, besides, enveloped in darkness. It is for this that thou hatest Govinda and Dhananjaya the son of Pandu, for who else among men would hate the divine Nara and Narayana ? It is for this, 0 king, that I say unto thee that this one is Eternal and Unfading, pervading the whole Universe, Unchanging, the Ruler, Creator and Upholder of all, and the truly Existent. He it is who upholdeth the three worlds. He is the Supreme Lord of all mobile and immobile creatures, and He is the great Master, He is warrior, He is Victory, He is Victor, and He is the Lord of all nature. 0 king, He is full of goodness and divested of all the qualities of Darkness and Passion. There, where Krishna is, there righteousness is ; and there is victory where righteousness is. It is by the Yoga of his Supreme Excellence, and the Yoga of his Self, that the sons of Pandu, 0 king, are supported. Victory, therefore, will surely be theirs, He it is that always imparteth to the Pandavas and 'Understanding endued with righteousness, and strength in battle -, and He it is that always protecteth them from danger. He is the Eternal God, pervading all beings, and ever blessed. He, of whom thou hadst asked me, is known by the name of Vasudeva.
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Soul of the mobile and the immobile creation, that one bearing the auspicious wheel (on his breast), that one of dazzling effulgence, that one from whose navel hath sprung the (primeval) lotus. He who disregardeth that wearer of the diadem and the Kaustuva gem, that dis- peller of fears of his friends, that bigh-souled one, sinketh in thick darkness. Having known all these truths duly, that Lord of the worlds, viz., Vasudeva, should be adored by every one, ye best of gods.'
"Bhishma continued,-Having said these words unto those gods and Rishis in days of yore, the illustrious Grandsire, dismissing them all, repaired to his own abode. And the gods and the Gandharvas, and the Munis and the Apsaras also, having listened to those words spoken by Brahman, were filled with delight and repaired to heaven, Even this was heard by me, 0 sire, from Rishis of cultured soul talking in their assembly, of Vasudeva, that ancient one. And 0 thou that art well versed in scriptures, I heard this from Rama, the son of Jamadagni, and Markandeya of great wisdom, and Vyasa and Narada also. Having learnt all this and heard of the illustrious Vasudeva as the Eternal Lord, the Supreme God of all the worlds, and the great Master, from whom hath sprung Brahman himself, the Father of the Universe, why should not that Vasudeva be adored and worshipped by men ? Firbidden art thou before, 0 sire, by sages of cultured souls, (who said unto thee) -Never go to war with that Vasudeva armed with bow as also with the Pandavas. This, from folly, thou couldst not apprehend. I regard thee therefore, as a wicked Rakshasa. Thou art, besides, enveloped in darkness. It is for this that thou hatest Govinda and Dhananjaya the son of Pandu, for who else among men would hate the divine Nara and Narayana ? It is for this, 0 king, that I say unto thee that this one is Eternal and Unfading, pervading the whole Universe, Unchanging, the Ruler, Creator and Upholder of all, and the truly Existent. He it is who upholdeth the three worlds. He is the Supreme Lord of all mobile and immobile creatures, and He is the great Master, He is warrior, He is Victory, He is Victor, and He is the Lord of all nature. 0 king, He is full of goodness and divested of all the qualities of Darkness and Passion. There, where Krishna is, there righteousness is ; and there is victory where righteousness is. It is by the Yoga of his Supreme Excellence, and the Yoga of his Self, that the sons of Pandu, 0 king, are supported. Victory, therefore, will surely be theirs, He it is that always imparteth to the Pandavas and 'Understanding endued with righteousness, and strength in battle -, and He it is that always protecteth them from danger. He is the Eternal God, pervading all beings, and ever blessed. He, of whom thou hadst asked me, is known by the name of Vasudeva.
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"Bhishma said, 'Then that illustrious Deity, the Lord of the worlds, replied unto Brahma in a soft and deep voice, saying, 'Through Yoga. 0 sire, all that is wished by thee is known to me. It will be even as thou wishest, and saying this, he disappeared then and there. Then the gods, Rishis, and Gandharvas, filled with great wonder and curiosity all asked the Grandsire, saying, 'Who is that one, 0 Lord that was worshipped by thy illustrious self with such humility and praised in such high words ? We desire to bear, thus addressed, the illustrious Grandsire replied unto all the Gods, the regenerate Rishis, and the Qandharvas, in sweet words saying,-He who is called TAT, He who is Supreme, He who is existent at present and who will be for all time, He who is the highest Self, He who is the Soul of beings, and who is the great Lord, I was talking even with His ever-cheerful self, ye bulls among gods. The Lord of the Universe was solicited by me, for the good of the Universe, to take his birth among mankind in the family of Vasudeva. I said unto him, for the slaughter of the Asuras take thy birth in the world of men. Those Daityas and Rakshasas, of fierce form and great strength, that were slain in battle, have been born among men. Indeed, the illustrious and mighty Lord, taking birth in the human womb, will live on the Earth, accompanied by Nara. Those ancient and best of Rishis, viz., Nara and Narayana, are incapable of defeat in battle by even all the celestials united together. Of immeasurable effulgence, those Rishis viz., Nara and Narayana, when born togeth er in the world of men, will not be known (as such) by fools.' He, from whose Self, 1, Brahman, the Lord of the whole Universe, have sprung, that Vasudeva, that Supreme God of all the worlds, is worthy of your adoration. Endued with great energy, and bearing the conch, the discus, and the mace, he should never be disregarded as a man, ye best of deities. He is the Supreme Mystery, the Supreme refuge, the Supreme Brahma, and the Supreme glory. He is without decay, Unmanifest, and 'Eternal. He it is who hath been sung as Purusha, though none can comprehend him. The divine Artificer bath sung of him as the Supreme Energy, the Supreme Felicity, and the Supreme Truth. Therefore, the Lord Vasudeva of immeasurable prowess should never be disregarded as a man by all the Asuras and the gods with Indra at their head. That person of foolish understanding is called a wretch, who, from disregard, speaketh of Hrishikesa as only a man. People speak of him as one labouring under darkness who disregardeth Vasudeva, that Yogin of illustrious soul, for his entering into a human form. People speak of him as one labouring under darkness who knoweth not that Divine personage, that
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"Bhishma said, 'Then that illustrious Deity, the Lord of the worlds, replied unto Brahma in a soft and deep voice, saying, 'Through Yoga. 0 sire, all that is wished by thee is known to me. It will be even as thou wishest, and saying this, he disappeared then and there. Then the gods, Rishis, and Gandharvas, filled with great wonder and curiosity all asked the Grandsire, saying, 'Who is that one, 0 Lord that was worshipped by thy illustrious self with such humility and praised in such high words ? We desire to bear, thus addressed, the illustrious Grandsire replied unto all the Gods, the regenerate Rishis, and the Qandharvas, in sweet words saying,-He who is called TAT, He who is Supreme, He who is existent at present and who will be for all time, He who is the highest Self, He who is the Soul of beings, and who is the great Lord, I was talking even with His ever-cheerful self, ye bulls among gods. The Lord of the Universe was solicited by me, for the good of the Universe, to take his birth among mankind in the family of Vasudeva. I said unto him, for the slaughter of the Asuras take thy birth in the world of men. Those Daityas and Rakshasas, of fierce form and great strength, that were slain in battle, have been born among men. Indeed, the illustrious and mighty Lord, taking birth in the human womb, will live on the Earth, accompanied by Nara. Those ancient and best of Rishis, viz., Nara and Narayana, are incapable of defeat in battle by even all the celestials united together. Of immeasurable effulgence, those Rishis viz., Nara and Narayana, when born togeth er in the world of men, will not be known (as such) by fools.' He, from whose Self, 1, Brahman, the Lord of the whole Universe, have sprung, that Vasudeva, that Supreme God of all the worlds, is worthy of your adoration. Endued with great energy, and bearing the conch, the discus, and the mace, he should never be disregarded as a man, ye best of deities. He is the Supreme Mystery, the Supreme refuge, the Supreme Brahma, and the Supreme glory. He is without decay, Unmanifest, and 'Eternal. He it is who hath been sung as Purusha, though none can comprehend him. The divine Artificer bath sung of him as the Supreme Energy, the Supreme Felicity, and the Supreme Truth. Therefore, the Lord Vasudeva of immeasurable prowess should never be disregarded as a man by all the Asuras and the gods with Indra at their head. That person of foolish understanding is called a wretch, who, from disregard, speaketh of Hrishikesa as only a man. People speak of him as one labouring under darkness who disregardeth Vasudeva, that Yogin of illustrious soul, for his entering into a human form. People speak of him as one labouring under darkness who knoweth not that Divine personage, that
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victory to Thee that art deep, 0 thou that art the giver of all wishes, 0 thou that art without end, 0 thou that art known as Brahma, 0 thou that art Eternal, 0 thou that art the Creator of all creatures, 0 thou that art ever successful, thou whose acts always display wisdom, 0 thou that art conversant with morality, thou that givest victory, 0 thou of mysterious Self, 0 thou that art the Soul of all Yoga, 0 thou that art the Cause of everything that bath sprung into existence, 0 thou that art the knowledge of the selves of all beings, 0 Lord of the worlds, victory to thee that art the Creator of all beings. 0 thou that bath thyself for thy origin, 0 thou that art highly blessed, 0 thou that art the Destroyer of everything, 0 thou that art the inspirer of all mental thoubgts, victory to Thee that art dear to all conversant with Brahma. 0 thou that art busy in creation and destruction, 0 controller of all wishes, 0 Supreme Lord, 0 thou that art the Cause of Amrita, 0 thou that art All-existent, 0 thou that art the first that appears at the end of the Yuga, 0 thou that art the giver of victory, 0 Divine Lord of the Lord of all creatures, 0 thou that bast the lotus springing from thy navel, 0 thou of mighty strength, 0 thou that art sprung from Thyself, 0 thou that art the great elements in their pri- meval state, 0 thou that art the soul of all (religious) rites, victory to Thee that givest all. The goddess Earth represents thy two feet, the cardinal and the subsidiary directions thy arms, and the heavens thy head. I am thy form, the celestials constitute thy limbs, and the Sun, the moon are thy two eyes. Ascetic austerities, and Truth born of morality and ( religious ) rites, constitute thy strength. Fire is thy energy, the wind is -thy breath, and the waters have sprung from thy sweat. The twins Aswins constitute thy ears, and the goddess Saraswati is thy tongue. The Vedas are thy Knowledge, and upon thee resteth this Universe. 0 lord of Yoga and Yogin, we do not know thy extent, thy measure, thy energy, thy prowess, thy might, thy origin. 0 God, 0 Vishnu, filled with devotion in thee, and depending upon thee with vows and observances, we ever worship Thee as the highest Lord, the God of gods. The Rishis, the gods, Gandbarvas, the Yakshas, the Rakshasas, the Pannagas, the Pisachas, human beings, beasts, birds, reptiles,-all these were created by me on Earth through Thy grace. 0 thou having the lotus springing from thy navel, 0 thou of large expansive eyes, 0 Krishna, 0 Dispeller of all woe, Thou art the Refuge of all creatures. and Thou art their Guide. Thou bast the Uuiverse for thy mouth. Through thy grace, 0 Lord of the gods, the gods are ever happy. Through thy grace the Earth bath always been freed from terrors. Therefore, 0 thou of large eyes, take birth in the race of Yadu.l For the sake of establishing righteousness, for slaying the sons of Diti, and for upholding the Universe, do what I have said, 0 Lord. 0 Vasudeva, that which is thy supreme mystery, that, 0 Lord bath been sung by me through Thy grace. Having created the divine Sankarshana out of thy own Self by Thyself, thou didst then, 0 Krishna, create Thyself as Pradyumna born of thyself. From Pradyumna thou didst then create Aniruddha who is known as the eternal Vishnu. And it was Aniruddha who created me as Brahma, the upholder of the Universe. Created out of Vasudeva's essence I have, therefore, been created by thee. Dividing Thyself into portions, take birth, 0 Lord, among human beings. And slaughtering the Asuras there for happiness of all the worlds, and establishing righteousness, and winning renown, Thou wilt again truly attain to Yoga. The regenerate rishis on Earth and the gods, 0 thou of infinite prowess, devoted to thee, sing of thy wonderous Self under those names that belong to thee. 0 thou of excellent arms, all classes of creatures rest on thee, having taken refuge in Thee, thou giver of boons. The regenerate ones sing Thee as the world's bridge, having no beginning, middle land end, and as Possessed of unlimited Yoga.'
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victory to Thee that art deep, 0 thou that art the giver of all wishes, 0 thou that art without end, 0 thou that art known as Brahma, 0 thou that art Eternal, 0 thou that art the Creator of all creatures, 0 thou that art ever successful, thou whose acts always display wisdom, 0 thou that art conversant with morality, thou that givest victory, 0 thou of mysterious Self, 0 thou that art the Soul of all Yoga, 0 thou that art the Cause of everything that bath sprung into existence, 0 thou that art the knowledge of the selves of all beings, 0 Lord of the worlds, victory to thee that art the Creator of all beings. 0 thou that bath thyself for thy origin, 0 thou that art highly blessed, 0 thou that art the Destroyer of everything, 0 thou that art the inspirer of all mental thoubgts, victory to Thee that art dear to all conversant with Brahma. 0 thou that art busy in creation and destruction, 0 controller of all wishes, 0 Supreme Lord, 0 thou that art the Cause of Amrita, 0 thou that art All-existent, 0 thou that art the first that appears at the end of the Yuga, 0 thou that art the giver of victory, 0 Divine Lord of the Lord of all creatures, 0 thou that bast the lotus springing from thy navel, 0 thou of mighty strength, 0 thou that art sprung from Thyself, 0 thou that art the great elements in their pri- meval state, 0 thou that art the soul of all (religious) rites, victory to Thee that givest all. The goddess Earth represents thy two feet, the cardinal and the subsidiary directions thy arms, and the heavens thy head. I am thy form, the celestials constitute thy limbs, and the Sun, the moon are thy two eyes. Ascetic austerities, and Truth born of morality and ( religious ) rites, constitute thy strength. Fire is thy energy, the wind is -thy breath, and the waters have sprung from thy sweat. The twins Aswins constitute thy ears, and the goddess Saraswati is thy tongue. The Vedas are thy Knowledge, and upon thee resteth this Universe. 0 lord of Yoga and Yogin, we do not know thy extent, thy measure, thy energy, thy prowess, thy might, thy origin. 0 God, 0 Vishnu, filled with devotion in thee, and depending upon thee with vows and observances, we ever worship Thee as the highest Lord, the God of gods. The Rishis, the gods, Gandbarvas, the Yakshas, the Rakshasas, the Pannagas, the Pisachas, human beings, beasts, birds, reptiles,-all these were created by me on Earth through Thy grace. 0 thou having the lotus springing from thy navel, 0 thou of large expansive eyes, 0 Krishna, 0 Dispeller of all woe, Thou art the Refuge of all creatures. and Thou art their Guide. Thou bast the Uuiverse for thy mouth. Through thy grace, 0 Lord of the gods, the gods are ever happy. Through thy grace the Earth bath always been freed from terrors. Therefore, 0 thou of large eyes, take birth in the race of Yadu.l For the sake of establishing righteousness, for slaying the sons of Diti, and for upholding the Universe, do what I have said, 0 Lord. 0 Vasudeva, that which is thy supreme mystery, that, 0 Lord bath been sung by me through Thy grace. Having created the divine Sankarshana out of thy own Self by Thyself, thou didst then, 0 Krishna, create Thyself as Pradyumna born of thyself. From Pradyumna thou didst then create Aniruddha who is known as the eternal Vishnu. And it was Aniruddha who created me as Brahma, the upholder of the Universe. Created out of Vasudeva's essence I have, therefore, been created by thee. Dividing Thyself into portions, take birth, 0 Lord, among human beings. And slaughtering the Asuras there for happiness of all the worlds, and establishing righteousness, and winning renown, Thou wilt again truly attain to Yoga. The regenerate rishis on Earth and the gods, 0 thou of infinite prowess, devoted to thee, sing of thy wonderous Self under those names that belong to thee. 0 thou of excellent arms, all classes of creatures rest on thee, having taken refuge in Thee, thou giver of boons. The regenerate ones sing Thee as the world's bridge, having no beginning, middle land end, and as Possessed of unlimited Yoga.'
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Mahabharatha, Bhisma Parva
Reference:
TITLE: The Mahabharata
AUTHOR: Pratap Chandra Roy
Oriental Publishing Company
"Bhishma said,'Listen, 0 king, to the words that I will speak unto thee, 0 thou of Kuru's race. Frequently wert thou addressed by me to the same effect but thou didst not do what I said. Let peace be made with the Pandavas, 0 best of the Bbaratas. I regard this to be beneficial both to the world and thee, 0 lord. Enjoy this earth, 0 king, with thy brothers and be happy, gratifying all thy well-wishers and delighting thy kinsfolk. Although I cried myself hoarse before this, thou didst not yet listen to me, 0 sire. Thou hadst always disregarded the sons of Pandu. The effect of all that bath now overtaken thee. Listen also, 0 king, from me as I speak of it, 0 Lord. to the reason why the Pandavas, whose achievements tire them not. are unslayable.1 There is not, was not, will not be, the being in all the worlds who would or will be able to vanquish the sons of Pandu who are all protected by the wielder of Sarnga. Listen truly, 0 thou that art conversant with morality, to that ancient history which was recited to me by sages of souls under control. In days of yore, all the celestials and the Rishis, united together, waited reverentially on the Grandsire upon the mountains of Gandhamadana. And the Lord of all creatures, seated at his ease -in their midst, beheld an excellent car stationed in the firmament, blazing with effulgence. Having ascertained (everything about it) by meditation, joining his hands with restrained heart, Brahman, with delighted soul, made his salutations to the highest Divine Being. And the Rishis and the celestials, beholding in the firmament (the form thus) displayed, all stood up with joined hands, their eyes fixed on that wonder of wonders. Worshipping him duly. Brahma, the foremost of all conversant with Brahman, the Creator of the universe, acquainted with the highest morality, uttered these high words :-Thou art, the Glory of the Universe for thy form. Thou art the Lord of the Universe. 0 thou whose protection extendeth through the whole Universe, 0 thou that bath the Universe for thy work, 0 thou that bath thy soul under control, Thou art the Supreme Master of the Universe. Thou art Vasudeva. Therefore, I seek refuge in Thee that art the soul of Yogi and the highest Divinity. Victory to Thee that art the Supreme Lord of the Universe. Victory to Thee that art ever employed in the good of the worlds. Victory to Thee that art the Lord of Yoga, Thee that art all-powerful. Victory to Thee that art prior, and subsequent to Yoga. Having the lotus springing from thy navel. and having large expansive eyes, victory to Thee that art Lord of Lords of the Universe. 0 Lord of the Past, the Present, and the Future, vitory to Thee that art the embodiment of gentleness, Thee that art the sun of suns, 0 thou that art the receptacle of untold attributes, victory to Thee that art the refuge of all things. Thou art Narayana, thou art incapable of being understood, victory to Thee that art the wielder of the bow called Sarnga. Victory to Thee that art endued with every attribute, 0 thou that bast the Universe for thy form, 0 thou that art ever bale. 0 Lord of the Universe, 0 thou of mighty arms, victory to Thee that art always ready for benefitting the worlds. 0 great Snake, 0 huge Boar, 0 first Cause, 0 thou of twany locks, victory to Thee that art Almighty. 0 thou of yellow robes, 0 Lord of the cardinal and the subsidiary points of the compass, 0 thou that bast the Universe for thy abode, 0 thou that art Infinite, 0 thou that hast no decay, 0 thou that art the Manifest, 0 thou that art the Unmani. fest, 0 thou that art the immeasurable Space, 0 thou that hast all thy senses under control, 0 thou that always achievest what is good, 0 thou that art immeasurable, 0 thou that alone knowest thy own nature,
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Mahabharatha, Bhisma Parva
Reference:
TITLE: The Mahabharata
AUTHOR: Pratap Chandra Roy
Oriental Publishing Company
"Bhishma said,'Listen, 0 king, to the words that I will speak unto thee, 0 thou of Kuru's race. Frequently wert thou addressed by me to the same effect but thou didst not do what I said. Let peace be made with the Pandavas, 0 best of the Bbaratas. I regard this to be beneficial both to the world and thee, 0 lord. Enjoy this earth, 0 king, with thy brothers and be happy, gratifying all thy well-wishers and delighting thy kinsfolk. Although I cried myself hoarse before this, thou didst not yet listen to me, 0 sire. Thou hadst always disregarded the sons of Pandu. The effect of all that bath now overtaken thee. Listen also, 0 king, from me as I speak of it, 0 Lord. to the reason why the Pandavas, whose achievements tire them not. are unslayable.1 There is not, was not, will not be, the being in all the worlds who would or will be able to vanquish the sons of Pandu who are all protected by the wielder of Sarnga. Listen truly, 0 thou that art conversant with morality, to that ancient history which was recited to me by sages of souls under control. In days of yore, all the celestials and the Rishis, united together, waited reverentially on the Grandsire upon the mountains of Gandhamadana. And the Lord of all creatures, seated at his ease -in their midst, beheld an excellent car stationed in the firmament, blazing with effulgence. Having ascertained (everything about it) by meditation, joining his hands with restrained heart, Brahman, with delighted soul, made his salutations to the highest Divine Being. And the Rishis and the celestials, beholding in the firmament (the form thus) displayed, all stood up with joined hands, their eyes fixed on that wonder of wonders. Worshipping him duly. Brahma, the foremost of all conversant with Brahman, the Creator of the universe, acquainted with the highest morality, uttered these high words :-Thou art, the Glory of the Universe for thy form. Thou art the Lord of the Universe. 0 thou whose protection extendeth through the whole Universe, 0 thou that bath the Universe for thy work, 0 thou that bath thy soul under control, Thou art the Supreme Master of the Universe. Thou art Vasudeva. Therefore, I seek refuge in Thee that art the soul of Yogi and the highest Divinity. Victory to Thee that art the Supreme Lord of the Universe. Victory to Thee that art ever employed in the good of the worlds. Victory to Thee that art the Lord of Yoga, Thee that art all-powerful. Victory to Thee that art prior, and subsequent to Yoga. Having the lotus springing from thy navel. and having large expansive eyes, victory to Thee that art Lord of Lords of the Universe. 0 Lord of the Past, the Present, and the Future, vitory to Thee that art the embodiment of gentleness, Thee that art the sun of suns, 0 thou that art the receptacle of untold attributes, victory to Thee that art the refuge of all things. Thou art Narayana, thou art incapable of being understood, victory to Thee that art the wielder of the bow called Sarnga. Victory to Thee that art endued with every attribute, 0 thou that bast the Universe for thy form, 0 thou that art ever bale. 0 Lord of the Universe, 0 thou of mighty arms, victory to Thee that art always ready for benefitting the worlds. 0 great Snake, 0 huge Boar, 0 first Cause, 0 thou of twany locks, victory to Thee that art Almighty. 0 thou of yellow robes, 0 Lord of the cardinal and the subsidiary points of the compass, 0 thou that bast the Universe for thy abode, 0 thou that art Infinite, 0 thou that hast no decay, 0 thou that art the Manifest, 0 thou that art the Unmani. fest, 0 thou that art the immeasurable Space, 0 thou that hast all thy senses under control, 0 thou that always achievest what is good, 0 thou that art immeasurable, 0 thou that alone knowest thy own nature,
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You should read the Quran...
All were deviated.....but the Quran
First it is doubtful(atleast to me) whether Quran is actually from GOD. The only AUTHENTIC scriptures are VEDAS and the rest are all of HUMAN ORIGIN(Including QURAN).
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You should read the Quran...
All were deviated.....but the Quran
First it is doubtful(atleast to me) whether Quran is actually from GOD. The only AUTHENTIC scriptures are VEDAS and the rest are all of HUMAN ORIGIN(Including QURAN).
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More verses
Well, translation for the verses is not provided in the book referred in my previous post and will appreciate if anybody provides the same. If the verses seem too explicit that it cannot be provided here then no need to provide it here.
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Reference:
The Principal Upanishads
with English Translation and notes
according to Madhvacharya's Bhasya
by
Prof. K.T. Pandurangi
Dvaita Vedanta Studies and Research Foundation
Pat Robertson Claims Hinduism Violent
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The topic was Pat Robertson. Why are you going hyperbolic ? These missionaries come with one motive, ie to destroy anything non-Christian. They preach HATRED for HINDUS and Hinduism. May be some Hindus act viloently. That does not mean these missionaries are justified in what they are doing. Christians in India are also violent, eg. NLFT that converts Hindus at gun point . Christians are also evil. Tell me what HINDUS should do if Christian terrorists(NLFT) attack them. Sing bhajans and practise non-violence ? I wonder why you want to "put things on context " here when Pat Robertson is the topic. I have not found one sentence from you that condemns Roberson's act ? WHY ?