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    This cannot be discussed without a clear understanding of the mercy of the diksa and siksa gurus. Their krpa has everything to do with the effectiveness of chanting the sampradaya gayatri mantras, as given to our line by Gopal Guru Gosvami in Jagannatha Puri, during the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

    What do you mean by "their krpa"?


  2. guest you wrote:

     

     

    Better to study the books of Srila Rupa Gosvami under the guidance of a self realized soul, and then there is no need to speculate like this about how Brahmaji achieved perfection, and what path we need to follow to attain similar success. Bhakti-yoga is scientificaly explain by Srila Rupa as a gradual process of practice and steady progress under the instructions of and in sadhu-sanga.

    I didn't speculate. I repeated what you quoted from Brahma Samhita. Before I go on; it is difficult to converse with people if they refuse to give themselves a name, too many people use "guest". If you can take the time to copy and paste volumes of irrelevant material then why be so lazy about including a name, any name, so as to make it easy to know which "guest" is which?

     

    Maybe you could explain to me what relevance your numerous posts had to do with what I wrote?


  3. From the purport to Madhya 8.138

     

     

    kama-gayatri-mantra-rupa, haya krishnera svarupa,

     

    sardha-cabbisa akshara tara haya

     

    se akshara 'candra' haya, krishne kari' udaya,

     

    trijagat kaila kamamaya

     

    The Kama-gayatri mantra is just like a Vedic hymn, but it is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. There is no difference between the Kama-gayatri and Krishna. Both are composed of twenty-four and a half transcendental syllables (see Madhya 21.125-29). The mantra depicted in letters is also Krishna, and the mantra rises just like the moon. Due to this, there is a perverted reflection of desire in human society and among all kinds of living entities. In the mantra klim kama-devaya vidmahe pushpa-banaya dhimahi tan no 'nangah pracodayat, Krishna is called Kama-deva, Pushpa-bana and Ananga. Kama-deva is Madana-mohana, the Deity who establishes our relationship with Krishna; Pushpa-bana ("He who carries an arrow made of flowers") is Govinda, the Personality of Godhead who accepts our devotional service; and Ananga is Gopijana-vallabha, who satisfies all the gopis and is the ultimate goal of life. This Kama-gayatri (klim kama-devaya vidmahe pushpa-banaya dhimahi tan no 'nangah pracodayat) simply does not belong to this material world. When one is advanced in spiritual understanding, he can worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead with his spiritually purified senses and fulfill the desires of the Lord.

    As guest pointed pointed out from Lord Brahma:

     

    "By the recollection of kama-gayatri it seems to me that I am the eternal maidservant of Krsna." Though the other mysteries in regard to the condition of the maidservant of Krsna were not revealed to him, Brahma, by dint of his searching self-consciousness, became well acquainted with the ocean of truth. All the truths of the Vedas were revealed to him"

     

    The Kama Gayatri tells us a limited amount of information. Brahma was awakened towards the highest reality by Kama Gayatri, but he was unable to gain entrance into the mysteries of Krishna by that. It was Brahma's "searching self consciousness" which was to lead to the mysteries of Sri Krishna being revealed to him.

     

    So my original question was:

     

     

    "The gayatri-mantra gives all kinds of divya-jnana, transcendental knowledge, including the knowledge of krsna-tattva and jiva-tattva, and it also gives a relationship with Krsna"

     

    Could someone explain to me how a mantra "gives all kinds of transcendental knowledge"?

    It appears that the knowledge that the mantra gives is limited, it is an introduction to the highest truth. A mantra of 24 syllables is limited in the amount of knowledge it can give. The words of the Kama Gayatri point one towards madhurya rasa, by hearing that mantra Brahma became awakened towards the ultimate truth of the Vedas final conclusion. In order for one to become well acquainted with the highest truth there must be a much deeper level of self realization and acquisition of knowledge.

     

    So I still have to wonder how a mantra can give:

     

    "all kinds of divya-jnana, transcendental knowledge, including the knowledge of krsna-tattva and jiva-tattva, and it also gives a relationship with Krsna"

     

    It would appear to me that the amount of divya jnana mentioned above seems to be something which is not given by any mantra. Brahma had to search within himself for some time to become well acquainted with the ocean of truth after reception of the gayatri. We are similar to Brahma in that although a mantra can awaken us to the highest truth to some degree, it will take searching within to have the highest truth revealed to us.

     

    We can see this to be true from our own experience. How many of us and how many people do we know who have been initiated into chanting Gayatri mantras, the mahamantra, or any number of mantras? How many of those are actually self realized souls due to chanting those mantras for years on end? How many have entered into a direct relationship with Sri Radha Krishna due to those mantras?

     

    Ultimately the mantra is a tool to aide us in our progression towards self realization. While the mantra is non different from Sri Krishna, it's purpose is to inspire us to bring us closer to Krishna. For that closeness to actually occur we have to search within ourselves, it is from within where we will find the highest truth revealed to us. It is within our selves where we will find Sri Radha Krishna ready to reveal all. The mantra inspires us and purifies us, but the actual knowledge of the highest truth and our relationship with it is something we can only experience by awakening to what lies at the core of our being. We need to look inward, not within our bodies, within our minds, our souls, it is there where we will find God as our constant companion. That is where the final truth is found. Only from there can we know who we truly are and what our relationship with God truly is and can be.


  4. I read on a thread that Srila Narayana Maharaja said this about the Gayatri mantra:

     

    "The gayatri-mantra gives all kinds of divya-jnana, transcendental knowledge, including the knowledge of krsna-tattva and jiva-tattva, and it also gives a relationship with Krsna"

     

    Could someone explain to me how a mantra "gives all kinds of transcendental knowledge"?

     

    I don't understand how a mantra "gives knowledge". From my own experience it seems knowledge is something which is learned from either direct experience or from hearing from a knowledgable source. If I have any spiritual knowledge I know where that knowledge has come from i.e from hearing from guru, sastra, and sadhu and also from personal experience of different varieties. I can't think of any knowledge that I have gained from chanting any mantra. I don't understand how chanting a mantra can "give knowledge". I can understand how a mantra can affect consciousness and help a person develop insight into spiritual knowledge, but I can't understand how divya jnana, spiritual knowledge itself , can be given by a mantra. Can someone explain how they think a mantra can "give knowledge"?


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