Gaea

July 31, 2006

i find it very hard also! i think that is pretty much unviversal.

i reckon the key is to realise that the mind is YOUR (i.e. the jiva's) slave, not the other way around. If you let the mind, which is the receptacle of the senses, control you then the slave has become the master.

keeping the mind is check - depends on what exactly you want to control, and how far you're willing to go. Being a full blooded testosterone boosted male, i let myself wonder into all sorts of lustful thoughts... but as i began to force myself to control my senses (i.e. enactment) i found that the wondering thoughts came under control. I really believe offering food to GOd before eating also helped with this - you are what you eat, afterall, and if you eat "negatively-vibed" food then your thoughts are bound to go astray.

Also, i have found meditation very useful.... MEDITATION?! i hear the GV's ask!!! haha, the fun i have had telling devotees that i learnt meditation from buddhists but i have found it has really helped me concentrate on Krsna when i am in kirtan or even my mundane work, so it can't be a bad thing.

Hope that helps... Good luck, Shuvo!!

July 30, 2006

We have to see the universe throught he eyes of shastra or we will simply be blind to the magic and mystery of the universe.

what about the things in the universe that are not in shastra?

July 30, 2006

Why approach a spiritualy enlightened being? We should approach such a person to learn about the world of spiritual reality. If someone needs a neurosurgeon to operate on his brain he does not seek out a Krsna Conscious guru. That is not his field. Any more than if I need my car worked on I would not approach a guru to do it, I would go to a mechanic.

I am curious about the science of God so I read books by those I consider qualified to answer my questions about God, the self and the relationship. I don't go to an astronomer to learn about Bhakti-yoga.

What separates the material scientist from the self realized person. The material scientist by definition knows nothing of the self as a particle of Life distinct from matter whereas the self realized knows the self quite well.

The question is what do I require to know? What is most pressing for me to know? When that is identified then I should choose accordingly.

That is an excellent explanation, thanks, Theist!

July 30, 2006

By the way, there were six moon-packed links on that Moon-Thing page - a good hour of reading. I studied astronomy and even worked part-time in the university observatory in the late sixties. The Moon-Thing pages put me right.

What do we learn from the flack? Well, first I learned that it was more complicated than I thought. Then I learned that it is really quite beyond my clever mind. Devotees learned to not give Prabhupada advice, (as though they were ever qualified to give him advice), speaking as experts when they really knew nothing. In various places, Prabhupada passed on a half dozen of their conspiracy theories.

All these controversies generate all kinds of interest. Some people even left. Imagine the depth of their faith. When guru stutters or uses the wrong word or grammatical construct, will we leave too?

thanks i'll have a look at those links... haha, i think i'm so clever too but i missed the great big orange underlined links on that page :eek2:

July 30, 2006

Whats the doubt?

That an acharya might be wrong about things, albeit trivial things. Like i said, overall it doesnt really matter but it does seem to generate arguments.

July 30, 2006

The acarya is right even when he's wrong.

You should read the Moon-Thing honestly. http://geocities.com/caitanyamahaprabhu/moonthing1.htm

That very nice, gHari, thanks!

I think that these scientific issues and their relation to vedic litertaure, as it alludes to in the link you sent, are basically trivial. So what if there is a discrepency? The real thing we are all after is bhakti. So do those things matter in the face of bhakti - i think the answer is no.

Ok then, let's get out of the topic of science and move into spiritiality... is it possible for any bona fide acharya to be "wrong" (i use that term lightly) in any subsection of spiritual science? Again, of course, the nuances don't matter following the same arguments from the last paragraph, but i think it is worth discussing.

Thanks!

G.

July 30, 2006

Hari Bol, All!

My question is based on recent posts where it seems that the word of the Teacher is absolutely final, even in subjects where the Teacher may not be an expert..... moon is further than sun, no such thing as evolution etc etc (i've picked the scientific ones because they've been most recent on this forum).

Be he Prabhupada, or other Gaudiya saints, the Pope or Advaitins - this phenomenon can be seen across the board. Is there any blasphemy in saying that "ok, he may have been wrong about this..." - the reason might be that all the information may not have been available to him etc.

Personally i don't think there is anything wrong/offensive in this. We have inherited a fraction of intelligence from God and therefore we should use it sum things up and decide for ourselves. That is my opinioin anyway.... what do you think?

July 29, 2006

U got it wrong a bit,i am not just sick of this world,i am also sick of Krsna or any god for that matter,reasons is obvious that he is letting us suffer or bored or whatever,lets not get into that because some people here might be so much in love of Krsna,my question is,is there liberation not just from this world even from Krsna so that i dont have to chant his maha mantra or follow Gita or any rule for that matter,put an end to everything.Do u get it now?

So, you want to be your own boss devoid of the Fatherhood of God? Welcome to your first step in spirituality, my friend

I'm no expert in these matters but i have noticed one thing - amongst me friends, myself etc - that is that everyone gets fed up. Of this world, our relationships, our jobs, our studies.... everyone wants to be liberated... everyone wants peace... everyone wants to be their own boss. But also everyone, eventually - i am sure if not in this life then the next (or next) - finds his or her path. Sometime the path is a little dusty, a little rocky, but you make your way. You sound like you've already reached the fed-up point and you're looking for a way out - even a way out of God Himself. Well, you can of course give up on Him. You can aim to achieve the the lower heavens where there's plenty of sense enjoyment, but in the end it's all temporary.

I hope you find your way

...And to answer your question more directly.... in my (sometimes silly) opinion, No - there is no escape. God is always with you, there can be no place without Him (even hell, if there is such a thing). You can't destroy your soul, it is eternal and you have an ETERNAL relationship with God.

July 29, 2006

i very happy for your help......... :-(

try here:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hindi.htm

note this is a spriritual forum, by the way, not a language centre good luck to you and your son

Hari bol.

July 28, 2006

There are some books you can download from

http://www.purebhakti.com/

July 28, 2006

Okay but I'm asking how it will happen. The Golden Age is also known as Satya-yuga (please check Vedabase!).

how is a difficult question, i guess we can only speculate...

like a mini satya yuga inside kaliyuga? that's interesting... why now? forever the skeptical idiot that I am, i am inclined to say that if this 10000 years started when Mahaprabhu was around, then this isn't much of a satya yuga (YET :eek3: ) .

July 28, 2006

Srila Prabhupada says there will be no more Hare Krishna at end of 10,000 years. But I am doubtful, is
Srila Prabhupada talking about this Age or a previous Age (of Kali-yuga), as there have been many Kali-yugas.

i think its quite clear from the text that he is talking about the present kali yuga.

..devotees everywhere at this point of 10,000 years, how will they become extinct, (it's Satya-yuga).?

No it's not Satya yuga - after the 10,000 years (from now) it is still kali yuga but the movement will be winding down. Exactly how? Who knows... The text says that the satya yuga is 400,000 years (approx) from the end point of those 10,000 years.

How will devotees be wiped off the face of this Planet after 10,000 years? We can say, or others

Prabhupada says so. But how will it happen. Gaudiya Vaishnavisum is not about, because

'says so' it's about knowing 100%.

PrabhupAda: Up to ten thousand years.

Allen Ginsberg: And then?

PrabhupAda: Then diminish.

In other words, not instant wipe-out.

July 27, 2006

My fellow devotees i'm at present a neophyte but uninitated and without sri-guru to gide me on the sweet path to krishna, what i am looking for is a guru can anyone help me?

The above posts are very good advice... in terms of finding a guru, i have heard time and time again that it is the guru that finds you

July 25, 2006

I just got this through an email from some friends. Some of the most vehement arguments about being non-veg have been from the camp of people who believe humans should eat meat on a biological basis - that we are built to eat meat. This is an ineteresting table of data:

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