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The question that I can never completely understand in regards to Krishna Consciousness is Sankaraacarya was Lord Siva incarnated with the mission to fool the people to create unwanted population to basically begin the Kali-yuga.

what do you mean, to create an "unwanted" population?

Well, let me turn that around on you and ask that how can God be God unless he has the power to be shielded from everything?

The power of God would seem to be that he can know things without actually knowing things.

 

To say that God can only know something directly and not indirectly would seem to be putting limitations on his powers.

 

Ahh, i see what you mean now. that's hard to answer because by our limited logic it would follow that direct-only knowledge is a limit. To be honest, i can't answer that. At least we both agree that he is still all knowing in some sense.

Paramatma is in trance meditating upon himself.

He is not seeing all the dirty deeds of sinful souls throughtout the cosmos.

 

ok, not directly, as you said.

He knows yet he doesn't know.

In trance, he is quite oblivious to all sorts of external material activities of finite conditioned souls.

He is absorbed in meditation on the Supreme Infinite, not the filthy deeds of finite conditioned living beings.

 

ok, what about Kalki who will see with His own two eyes these "filthy" things?

All very metaphysical... i guess it doesn't matter either way... the important thing is that we remain in devotional service and full of Love.

There is one verse in Srimad Bhagavatam I remember from some time back where it says that sinful acts are performed behind the Lord.

So, in the sense that the gaze of the Lord does not see what is going on behind his back, he does not see sinful acts.

 

meaning he chooses to forgive, no? Not that He doesn't see it. I do not see how God can be God if He is somehow shielded from everything - in the end of the day this is HIS creation - HIS maya. HE created it knowing full well the implications of kali. But He is not affected by the these things because, as Krsna confirms in Gita, He is the source of EVERYTHING. He is no more affected by these sinful acts as the horror movie director is affected by his creation in the studio set. That's my thoughts anyway.

i HAD ONE THOUGHT, if I think something bad or good, the Mind is Krishna's expansion (says inside the Gita), so this means Krishna already knows FULL WELL, what I will think in the future at any given point in time. This means He knows what I will do, whether good or bad, yet still we have Free will? What Free will do we have if Krishna already knows what we will think in the future? !!!!

interesting thought... how do you think Krsna's knowing your future thought process impinges on your free will? would it not just be like watching tv for Him (knowing exactly what is going to happen, like watching a rerun ), rather than interfering with the actor in the tv directly?

What is wrong with krsna watching the most vulgar and violent scenes imaginable? He is everywhere, and the people who commit such acts will be judged by Lord Yamaraja. Krsna would remain knowledgeable of all acts, good and bad.

 

I agree... there can be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that can escape Krsna's gaze. Otherwise, what is the meaning of "All Knowing" and "All Seeing"? Anyway, that question is besides the point of the thread.

Im not sure if this is relevant to the whole knowing the future thing... but it mentions future lol

I had it explained to me by an enlightened soul very recently... Free will for a person can be considered as a bull that is tied to a tree. The bull can move here and there so long as the rope permits, but no further. So basically, there is free will and "written future" at the same time - some things are totally up to you and there are many other things over which you have no control.

They celebrate among others, the appearance day of Srimati Radharani and of Lord Krishna as They advented in the last yuga, usually at the end of August or early September.

funny you should say that actually - Krsna's and especially Radha's birthday don't come high on the hindu list as Diwali, Ramnavmi and Shivarathri do (at least in my experience). Certainly Radhastami is not celebrated with any big pomp by hindus, just Vaishnavas. But certainly Diwali and New Year are right at the top of the list all across India and the rest of the world (amongst hindus).

Dear Fellowship,

 

In the Taittiriya Upanishad, it is stated:

Matru devo bhava, (revere your mother as God)

Pitru devo bhava( revere your father as God)

 

However, what if your father is such a person that you cannot even look at him in the eye. What if he is a wife beater, insults God and his holy men, treats his children as animals, treats his own parents like mud, under these situations are we still obliged to abide to 'Pitru devo bhava'.

 

I am unfortunately writing about my own father, but i am trying to lead the way of life prescribed in our sasthras. I cannot however look at my Father as a Godly figure as it disgusts me everytime i look at him due to the things he has done to us (his children) and my mother and his own parents. But, i do not want to go against our sasthras.

 

I would like to hear in particular from people like Theist and gHari and other advanced spiritual souls on this forum as your posts are always inspiring.

 

I don't have a guru who can advise me on such matters.

 

I apologise if such posts are not allowed on this forum.

 

anonymous_guest

My view (devoid of any in depth vedic knowledge) is that if one is in such a situation, then your True Father is God and the biological one is just somebody else. Eventually, i would hope, even he would see the light through your good work and love. God is the ultimate divine Mother and Father.

someone here might be able to direct you to an article i read a while back that theorises vedic presence in the Arabic states more than a few thousand years ago and also at the time of the Prophet PBUH. Unfortunately it is not backed up by more solid evidence, but the logic is sound. I can't remember the author name but if i seee it online i'll post it. Someone on this forum has posted it before so it might be worth doing a search. It might also be on Stephen Knapp's website.

Without knowing anythiong else about him, sounds like a very blessed soul to me.

The ultimate goal is Love and Devotion - sound like he really attained that from what you said.

If you chant Hare Krishna Maha-mantra at least 16 rounds a day and follow religious life, then you will be happy and blissful even if you live in a cow manure hut on the side of the road.

 

If you can't get cow manure, then maybe you can find a big cardboard box to live in and just depend on Krishna?

Why 16 times?

Tackleberry, just chant the name of the Lord with LOVE AND DEVOTION. Devote all of your actions to Him - engage yourself in service! That way your mind remains on the Lord and not on your problems. Not only that, I'm sure it will Him soooo happy

Better still, let's all pray that you can get out of that hole and be happy again! I'll certainly be chanting for you as I am sure most of the visitors here will! KEEP SMILING!

.... and super-duper-excellent-sattvic-as-it-is...

dam! can't even beat that with wordplay!

Hari OM

 

It would be tamasic if you worship Narasimha out of fear

 

Rajasic if you worship him to thank him for getting rid of the Asura

 

Sattavic if you worship him simply because He is an incarnation of the Lord (irrespective of His apperance or actions)

ans super-sattwic if you worship him out of pure selfless love

Hi Guest,

My folks have an amazing Krsna murti with cow behind him but no Radha with Him. I think they got it from a place on melton road in leicester - can't remember the name of the place but its underground. anyway there;s LOTS of shops on that road its like Little India, you're bound to find soemething there.

Good luck!

No need for a new thread. This was sent sideways because I was asked to define what I meant by you and still nothing quality to learn from in either of your posts.

 

I only sent one post. You're getting me mixed up with someone else.

It appears that kindness and compassion are definitely present yet the ability to articulate is a little short and there is a specific purpose to even being here.

 

the two parts of that sentence do not seem to make coherent sense. Compassion here? I hope so.

when seeking if the owls are too busy dodging questions or areas of concern, how does anyone learn anything?

 

I'm not contesting your view of the poem. Only found it interesting that you extrapolated it that way. The poem is only a signature of forum member, not an insinuation of anything to do with this thread. Perhaps that is the source of your thoughts?

Even though within we can know, applying to a tangible reality could never materialize within this group.

 

sounds like you have a quiff with this group. We are only members of the public. Not saints, learned persons or anything like that. We're only trying to discuss in order to understand better. Contrary to your comments, there have been many instances where the wisdom of a few members here have really elightened me and helped on my journey. so there

What I will mention is we are here and it is so sad that such a kind sect can be so shallow.

 

sorry. i dont personally mean to be shallow and certainly others dont either.

What are in the incense, maybe that is what I am missing!

I sing all day so that isn't it.

 

that makes no sense.

Is chastity a norm, if so that is not healthy nor good for your continued existanse on the globe. It would be like saying 'I do not want my cells to replenish my skin.'

 

that makes no sense either. what's your point?

Let me offer my hand and I promise never to lie to you as I have only one purpose, please let share to this sect what is true to all.

 

why do you think we dont want to share?? what would be the point of having a public forum if we didnt want to share ideas??

Anyway, seriously - if you wanna take up the argument please start up a new thread. And registering a name would be nice too!

Thanks.

Yogesh from za, you can hit the "Edit" button to change your posts if mistakes!!

A wise old Owl sitting in an Oak

The more he saw, the less he spoke

 

The less he spoke the more he heard

Why cant we all be like that bird!!

 

 

 

and if your child is not shown where to suckle, then you yourself will eventually die.

 

live by what you can leave to another or die by your selfishness desire to bask in your own knowledge

 

 

 

This rhyme you post is only of specific purpose (to sound kool) but the idea of a knowing person to sit and watch as others are in peril, is wrong!

 

A knowing person must share the ways of truth or their time learning is a waste and not wise.

 

The wise watch and learn, gaining perspective and then share to the unknowing that he may not spend so much time having to learn from hard knocks.

 

So as you know where to feast either show the child where to suckle or your offspring will be no longer and if this is your only offspring then you will die with him as your lineage will become extinct.

 

SO the selfish bask in knowing without sharing and the wise learn to share things of truth so that the next will not be wasting life and evolve to know the eventual truth while standing in this life.

 

To reach that what you seek must come from others who share.

 

So shoot the old owl who is selfish with knowing and too stubborn to share because of self preservations.

 

Did you understand that?

Hi,

This is trailing off the point off the thread - start a new one maybe? But just a case of point - interesting how the poem has evoked your reaction. The poem insinuates nothing about the wise watching the befallen silently. When I read it I thought of those who dont speak too rashly, preferring to think and learn before deciding to speak. But from such a simplistic poem you got to "selfish", "stubborn" and "shoot" ... anyway, like i said, maybe beloings in a different thread.

Goloka Vrndavan is where Krsna performs eternal pastimes as I understand it.

where do you live? There are few schools around that teach sanskrit in London - in fact there is a class at the Manor every sunday (or saturday i think??).

There are also self-teaching books. Good old google:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=learning+sanskrit&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

practicality, practicality, practicality.

Of course there is no conflict - the Guru you are speaking of is giving you spiritual instruction. Whatever material instruction you get is different. Just the same as a school kid is perfectly ok to go to a geography teacher, a maths teacher, an English teacher, etc. There is no problem.

If you are not satisfied with that then take examples from shashtra - The Pandavas had many Gurus - Drona and Kripa, Bhishma and Vidura also taught them (politics), and many many rishis in the Kamyaka forest when they were in exhile, e.g. Dhaumya, Vyas.

If you are speaking about a second "initiating" Guru then that is different. But a teacher of the material sciences, including music, is totally ok!

If you are still worried, simply ask your Guru for permission.

Without milk no calf can alive.

Without bull no calf can even start alive

I mean no harm.... I am not trying to critisise any of the avatars

i know

Actually I agree with the views of my namesake. Simply because I have experienced it all. India is highly corrupt and I find most Indians highly irritating and immature .I reside here so I know how it is .

 

India WAS a great nation during Vedic times,sadly thats not the case now.

We gauge a nations greatness according to the way the country is governed and the way the nation is looked after by its people.

 

I do feel sad at this crass commercialisation of our values but there is nothing we can do about it now. The burgeoning incidences of various diseases are a sign of things to come.

 

Personally, I see no hope for India either materially or spiritually!!!!

Unfortunately for you, my friend, you seem to have only met the bad apples. In my experience, it's been quite the opposite. Maybe I've met the minority. Or maybe you have.

I agree on the point of corruption tho. The government really needs to get its priorities straight. But i think that's little reason to hold the entire country accountable. If we were going by that logic, I dont think we would find a single country on the planet that is "good". Politics has always been dirty, its the nature of the game.

For example, when someone says GOD is formless, He/She is comitting a sin greater than that of killing a Brahmin.

I've heard someone else say that too - do you know where this is documented in the Vedas please? I would like to read the context.

Thanks for your reply.

 

But our shastras emphasise that someone who does not recognise the avatars of Narayan is a maha paapi and one should not associate themselves with them. For example, when someone says GOD is formless, He/She is comitting a sin greater than that of killing a Brahmin. Yet, here the teachings of Buddha bhagvan goes further and says that there is no such thing as GOD. Is'nt this a paap for which there is no redemption and that we should not associate with such people?

 

Again i pray to my Ishatadev for forgiveness if i am knowingly/unknowingly criticising His various forms.

 

Thanks.

You call him Bhagavan whilst at the same time insinuating him to be a "maha paapi". The fact is that Buddha is none other than Narayana Himself and so He can really preach whatever He deems fit.

Say you are a mother and you realise that the only way that your son will progress in life is for him to leave home. He is vile right now, he speaks back to you and even goes as far as to say that he does not consider you his mother. A mother's love is such that she will let him go regardless. He will eventually learn and repent but has to do so in his own way because he's just built to think differently. He needs a different path.

In the same way, if God wants his Bhaktas-to-be to progress He has to let them follow the path they are on until they are fit for more. Evidently the path of Devotion was too much for the people of the time of Buddha - otherwise He would have preached as Krsna did. That is God's Leela - so wonderful and multi-facedted. We see things from our own scewed view. It's like watching TV - you only see what the camera is focussing on but totally unaware of the rest of the things that are going on because we cannot see them.

You may not agree with non-dual or atheistic philosophies - that's fine, you're on a differnt path. God has a plan for everyone for their own MAXIMUM benefit for their particular stage. We just have to simply trust.