Pankaja_Dasa

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Good point, we should know what defines Vedic Religion, why is Islam and Chritianity classed as temporary? They are 100cent bona-fide according to our Prabhupada.

I remember that I think, not sure. Vedic Means, the only Scripure was Vedas. Maybe they practised something to do with Vedic Scriptures. It does say Maharaja Yudisthara conquered the Entire World with His Brothers. So, maybe at that time some were outside of Vedic Principles. The mind boggles and I can't be bothered hehe,

Before 5000 Year Ago, there was no other religion except Vedic Religion being practised accross the World. That's a historical fact.

Sai Baba claims to be God (His part), Vishnu-tattva. Is he mentioned in the scriptures? No/ Have Vaishnava's confirmed he is a Vishnu-tattva? No. How are we to know who is Vishnu-tattva (God)? There is only two ways, either He shows His true Form. Or He is revealed in the Scriptures. If He cannot reveal according to Scripture He can show His Form (not some magic trick). Either way it's confirmation. If on the basis of a few tricks one can claim to be Vishnu-tattva? Then where is the authority of the Scriptures? This means anybody can claim to be an incarnation. And we have no authority to prove otherwise.

Yes, I wish my intelligence was stronger.

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order in the court!

ahh nice

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Why doesn't it listen to what I say to it? Who does it (?) think it is? My Master? Is it really the master, if it's not why does it become 'the order giver'.? I was about to do something stupid, and I told myself 'No!'. And I stopped for a second (s). But the Mind (whatever it is) pulled me back into it's grasp again. It's a little bastard isn't it? Like a wondering dog which barks. The intelliengence I used was spiritual, but the mind (whatever it is), I'm still not sure. Pulled me back. ! AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Belittle? I wasn't speculating. In the Qu’ran it is mentioned that God has a hand. Muslims scholar(s) choose to interpretate this in their own way. This verse is the most important verse. Yet it is dismissed as a 'saying'. I.e. 'Give me a hand', 'give me a hand'. So they say Allah when it says He showed His hand, it doesn't mean a hand, it's saying something else. Speculating.?

If somebody says something against Prabhupada is makes me angry, or if somebody says I have nothing to do with Prabhupada it makes me even more angry. So far never happened face-to-face. Since I have a lot of anger concentrated within my body, God help that person. Nowadays even devotees say things like this (you have nothing to do with Prabhupada), so for me the best way is just to avoid such people. Or just let it pass me by. If devotees say it, then what to speak of non-devotees? I can't think of a bigger offence to a devotee then to say he has nothing to do with his Guru. Also false-incarnations of God make me angry. (Sai Baba). I guess Krishna provides a recourse for anger when it's the right time.

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That's Uttama-adikari stage, who comes down to 2nd level to preach. Pure devoees. They can be critical because they can see the actual position. If they didn't ciritize they would be on the level you are speaking of. Then what is the question of preaching?

Light according to Bhagavad-Gita is the Effulengence of Krishna. But it still doesn't answer what is within the light? Light is light, what is within this light? One question which Muslims are not able to answer is how is it that they can live in ETERNAL HEAVEN. (with an eternal body!). Yet God in their estimation cannot processes an Eternal Form. I emphasize the word Eternal above Form. They have in thier Scriptures Angels who are genderless (neither male nor females), (spiritual beings), eternally serving God. So we can conclude (well you have to), that in Heaven according to Islam you will need to poccess a spiritual form. (according to Qu'ran). Maybe some believe they will have a material body, but then what's the difference between material and spiritual then? That's Buddist thought I think.

Interesting post indeed. Those Jivas are not floating in an ocean of love. There is no bliss in Krishna efflulegence. The Bliss IS His Form. And Mayavadis are not like Advaitins, Mayavadis actually goto another Place called Mahakalpurnam (which is a place on Brahmaloka -the dark-side). That place is not the same at Tatatha-shakti (where we came from). Well I made my choice to come here, (it's not so bad, what with Nitai-Gauranga). Hare Krishna

Okay Mayavadis are not like Dogs. Happy now? Hare Krishna. I apoligize.

What is within the force.? How exactly He is everywhere ? Is He spiritual? What Is He? What's within His without? These are some questions Islam is unable to answer.

Whatever.

True. Only I say something if they say something. I don't surf Mayavadis forums lol.. looking for fights. hehe, I don't hate them (i used to). Now I see them as part of Sanatana-dharma. And plus I am not qualifed to speak with them. (you have to be a dog). To do it. I am a human being.

Yes. Mayavadis want to merge and loose thier individual exsistance. That's why 'I' don't like it.

Prabhupada never had anything against Muslims. But the problem is (we have the same problem). Muslims or anybody else practicing are Just starting out like the rest of us. So they may or may not be the 'way people are when they start out'. Possibly 99% of Muslims and Vaishnava's are starting out here. So we can't really say much on the subject. Of course they believe their own Faith (and why shouldn’t they). They generally condemn Form (Mayavadis do the same, advaitins etc). Still though it's not easy liking Impersonalists (I don't like Mayavadis or Advatins). not the people just their Doctrine. Maybe I should be indifferent. (i am usually). Best not to preach on forums to Muslims unless they want to hear. In one lecture of Prabhupada, one Muslim says Sufis are actually true Muslims. I'm not sure if Prabhupada agreed or not. Qu'ran is almost totally gliding towards Impersonal aspect, with a little Personalisim (Mahaprabhu says this not me!). Anyway, hare Krishna.

The Quote was very nice indeed. Reminds me of the Tatasta Shakti, between the spiritual world and material universe. And the choices we made, whether to be humble and surrender or not. Humlity must then be a very great quality to nuture indeed.