Pankaja_Dasa

Your right. Because the love is given by God & His representative, its not like we just purchase it from the market place.. mm I thought of Lord Nityananda.

Just cause we don't have the spiritual vision doesn't mean spirit doesn't exsist. A pure devotee can't be found by our own vision. Paramatma needs to guide you. Ps. You sound confuced as to whos a devotee and whos not. Read about your own qualities as conditioned soul. And then you'll realize its next to immpossible to know a pure devotee without Paramatma. But some of qualities of pure devotee had been kindly mentioned by Krishna in the Gita.

Thats a good 1. But still should we measure somebodies devotion to God by what they put in their mouths. Are we not meant to respect everybody. For example say a person eating meat loves God. And a Hare Krsna is just going thru the motions. Does this look very good if the Hare Krsna says something about the meat-eater. You can agrue about devotees are meant to be humble. But let leave that aside if you can or we can.

Hare Krishna The purport to ths famous verse, Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that its doesn't mean we should be chanting all the time. I can't seem to find the reff in the book 'Art of chanting'. I am trying to remember what Maharaja was saying and am at a loss. It says chanting 24/7 doesn't mean chanting Harinama 24/7, its got another meaning. I'm sure devotees know what I am saying..{hope anyway}

I know the above to be true. But I heard Pure Devotee comes down to 2nd Platform to preach even though he is still to be considered on best platform. So if a pure devotee is talking so somebody does he see Krishna everywhere and the soul? Can we imitate this and see somebody who doesn't know about Krsna as a lost soul in need of Help? Maybe lets not complicate things with 1st 2nd Platform. Thats confucing even for Madhyamas hehe not that I would know ...anyway./.....

Hare Krishna For sadhakas to seeing people from other religions killing animals eating their flesh, does this mean we should measure their faith or love for God. Prabhupada said many times they should stop the killing: 'Thou Shalt not kill'. Not trying to be clever by asking this, just wondering /images/graemlins/wink.gif NB. Prasadam /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I think we can learn a few things from Christians regarding loving devotee of God {Jesus}. But say for example I am a father and I ask my son to do something which he doesn't but still declares his love for me. Is that loving me or hurting me. Course love is there for us to take. That's my take on this.

www.geocities.com/sri_caitanya_bhagavata I can't believe this name wasn't taken. Ghari beat you to it. Thx for the files. I think this looks cool even if I do say so myself. Ps The link is in my main site. I don't like putting Home links etc as the site content is large I doubt ppls will be going here and there, anyway. You build how you like everybody is diff /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Jai sri radhe!

As Mahaprabhu. Is it ok to say this. I am not very sure.

I have to admit I feel a great lifting of ignorance from my head just by talking about this. By the way too many material desires can cause depression. Before when we were saying about Vaishnava'a there depression cannot be compared to mine or ours etc. They are just wanting to please Krsna and feel sad. But you are always I am sure. Well you've helped me. I guess I needed somebody to talk to who has been thru it. Hare Krishna. Ps I take heed of your advice.

Not that I'll know this yet. Babhu Prabhuji said 'just give krsna' which is nice way to put it. Thats same thing Prabhupada said. I guess yo live and learn until I actually do it I won't kinda really know how difficult it is. But I know this kinda Yajna to Lakmimaa I am goona do to get blessings. I want this job badly. Ok I say job. I kinda thought in my head that I need to think of this as something amazing.. This made me laugh: Going on the street is like entering the front lines. You will really get an excelerated course. You can expect to be tested in many many ways. Your patience will be sorely tested by foul mouthed a__holes one minute and then the next some sweet young mayadevi will be looking deep into your eyes while you try to talk. haha

I don't want to mull over depression to much as it kinda makes me depressed. I try to look at it as negativity. Depression strikes fear in my heart because when it comes its wipes all positivity. I looked up the word depression: _____ My respectful obeisances are unto You, O Lord, whose abdomen is marked with a depression like a lotus flower, who are always decorated with garlands of lotus flowers, whose glance is as cool as the lotus, and whose feet are engraved with lotuses. Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.22 _______ Hehe seems my name Pankaja has ever newer significance. I also saw how Prabhupada said he was depressed with Gaudiya Matha because of lack of preaching. So maybe it can be a positive thing. Anyway I do think most of the population is depressed in some way otherwise why would people take so many drugs etc. I'll tell the truth I feel like doing many more things now than I ever did. I want to be like #no.1 book distributer etc. I just read Krsnaji posts it said: _______ Devotee: If we think about our spiritual master, is that as good as thinking of Krsna? Prabhupada: Yes, because it is said, yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah: "If you can please your guru, then you please Krsna." So if you make always this plan, "How to please my guru," then you'll please Krsna. _________

Yeah when I used to work in this office from School as work experience their used to be this Book Guy who used to come around every month or so. Maybe this would be a good idea. Kinda a spiritual book seller. Not sure. All I can say I would have to have mercy of Lord Nitai. Cause personally I don't have a clue. Like nowadays nobody does something for nothing, seems advertising is big business. Like Bartering, give and take. You put these books in your 'whatever' and in return we'll put a sign outside our temple lol.

Anybody think this is at all possible. Would be pretty good job to have. You wouldn't mind getting up in the morning for this kind of fun. {maybe}

Spiritual Master to Disicple: If you chant Bugs Bunny Bugs Bunny Bugs Bunny 24/7, watch Cartoons then you will attain Looney Loka without a doubt.

When somebody says this I read their advice like I am about to have my last breath! I never until this day heard such sublime advice from anybody. I think maybe you cured my depression. Vaishnava's are the friends of our minds jai.! Mm how else are you going to chant. In the start this happens, due to offences but later on heart is melted. Everybody has a hard heart due to offences. But mine is melted now and again by hearing about Krishna. I wouldn't take this statement to say we shouldn't force our minds not to chant. Theres always a story behind a statement. I don't frequent the forum as much, I see more faithless people there than devotees. But don't quote me on that. I mean no offence.! Good idea about e-mailing, bvbishnu@ Heh wouldn't it be great to have chat with Maharaja on-line. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Not sure how to respond to your post. I will try not to use bad language when trying to describe my illness. Because that's what it does to you. It drives you crazy. But I am too sane to ever go crazy if that makes sense. Its like you want people to understand but at the same time you don't want them to feel sorry for you. All I can say its got to be linked to karma. So if you chant it has to be wiped away. After all it's the mind. But I'm sure depression has some contacts with the body as well. But root cause is the mind. Also desire must be a player. Please give me your thoughts on this. I'm sure you analized it over the years. This will help me immensely. A lot. Dandabats sorry for being familiar in my post.

Another point established in this verse is that meditation should be carried on with the chanting of a mantra. Chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra is the easiest process of meditation in this age. As soon as one chants the Hare Krsna mantra, he sees the forms of Krsna, Rama and Their energies, and that is the perfect stage of trance. One should not artificially try to see the form of the Lord while chanting Hare Krsna, but when the chanting is performed offenselessly the Lord will automatically reveal Himself to the view of the chanter. The chanter, therefore, has to concentrate on hearing the vibration, and without extra endeavor on his part, the Lord will automatically appear. __SB 4.8.53 {Purport extract} The mumuksus, persons desiring to be liberated, do not depend on the pleasures of the senses; instead, they concentrate fully on becoming liberated by chanting the holy name of the Lord. __SB 10.1.69 {Purport extract} Everyone begins his devotional life from the neophyte stage, but if one properly finishes chanting the prescribed number of rounds of harinama, he is elevated step by step to the highest platform, uttama-adhikari. __NOD 5 {extract} When one fully engages in chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, he gradually realizes his own spiritual identity. Unless one faithfully chants the Hare Krsna mantra, Krsna does not reveal Himself.. __NOD 5 {extract} At the present moment, attempts to engage in that type of yoga are artificial. Rather, the recommended method is chanting loudly and hearing Hare Krsna. Then, even if the mind is diverted, it will be forced to concentrate on the sound vibration "Krsna." It isn't necessary to withdraw the mind from everything; it will automatically be withdrawn, because it will be concentrated on the sound vibration. __The Path of Perfection 5 {extract} Srila Prabhupada: Yes, as soon as the mind wanders, we should immediately drag it back to concentrate on Krsna. While chanting, our mind sometimes wanders far away, but when we become conscious of this, we should immediately bring the mind back to hear the sound vibration of "Hare Krsna." That is called yoga-abhyasa, the practice of yoga. We should not allow our mind to wander elsewhere. We should simply chant and hear the Hare Krsna mantra, for that is the best yoga system. __The Quest for Enlightenment 6 {extract} Always meditating upon the lotus feet of Krsna. This Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama... As soon as we hear this sound, immediately we remember the form of Krsna. Immediately we concentrate on the lotus feet of Krsna. This chanting is perfect. But I am chanting and I am thinking of and planning something else, that is aparadha. But that does not mean we shall stop. But we should try, abhyasa-yoga, we should try to make it our habit by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra, we should immediately remember the form, quality, pastimes of Krsna. Tat-padamburuha-dhyanat. The lotus feet of Krsna, dhyanat, that is meditation. __Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.7.28, Mombassa, September 11, 1971

I think many people handle this in different ways. I tend to want to hide away from the world. I think I have a 'tyaga mentality' I just want to give everything up. Maybe its the Buddist in me. No idea. Maybe we can learn a few things from them. Those guys work so hard for something which in the end is nothing. Not saying we should have a void mentality but sometimes this can help a little to calm the mind. The main thing which bothers me is negative thoughts. I think this is the root cause of all depression.

I saw in another thread about preaching you said something that peoples are maybe not as willing to take to KC. I'd have to say I do greatly disagree with you on this. Most Christians I do think want a higher realization of what God is and His activities. Our goal is to preach the highest cocncept of God, I do understand you wanting to preach 'just about God'. KC is not complicated concept it is just love of God. Teach this that's what His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada did. Simple.

Hare Krishna I suppose everybody read the Suicide help thread. Thats all me. Ghari asked for an update, well I can kinda still not well but I am getting better. This kind of mentality doesn't go away easy it follows you like a plague. Same as not wanting to chant, this will follow you like a plague as well. I am concentrating on chanting. I guess you have to desire to concentrate not just think of it as a thing which will accompany chanting japa {but it can}. I am putting my PC away for 1 whole Month {gasp}, I am going to be concentrating on Japa with no distractions. I want to see what this holy name is made of. I always say this is my last post etc. But I can never keep promises anyway, so I don't really care. Everybody on this forum knows my nature. {so does krishna}. I am hoping to get some personal association, this forum and e-mails, chat rooms are way to impersonal for me now. I hope you have me in your prayers. I wish I get some assocation soon. I am confident Krishna will give me as I deserve. Hare Krishna.

You can get bulk books like Chant & Be Happy. Don't give them out for free, use the money you get to get more books thats what somebody told me. It does need some planning. Like a flow chart or something. Plan it thats all I can say. Not that I know all this. But using the money you get to get more books and then doing this again and again. Needs some sort of plan of action.

Not sure about Rajasic foods. They are not so bad. We need to avoid Tamasic. Onions and Garlic dull the mind {thats was bad}. Caffine stimulates the mind. But its give a low later on. Same as Onions. This low is the Tamasic. Hope that helps. Not really an expert in this.

I am going for a break. In case somebody replys to any of my posts. The forums cool. Too addictive. I know I always come running back. But not this time. You need new devotees man. To see your thru. New Blood. Damn how many posts did I do. I think I must be tripping. I'll e-mail Babhu dasa & Yashoda nandana. Anybody else can pankaja_dasa@ me. Ghari is still to me Boss man lol, Thiest is still rocking and rolling {go get a Guru man, don't reply with any smart comments heh}. Who else Admin 5 is ok too. Ty for the memories etc. I do have some assocation so don't worry you minds. Thx admins for great forum. I think many ppls can learn here. I know most ppls look down on forums but this is still one of the best. So adios. Remember Krsna is always watching you. /images/graemlins/wink.gif