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<font color="green"> -------</font color> <font color="blue">Krsna Talk 51 </font color> <font color="red"> The Worship of Lord Narasimha </font color> by Swami B.G. Narasingha {Disciple of Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada} QUESTION: I have seen on your website that you have installed and worship Deities of Lord Narasimha in your ashram. When Gaudiya Vaisnavas are devotees of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna why do you worship Lord Narasimha? ANSWER: The goal of a Gaudiya Vaisnava is to develop pure love for Sri Sri Radha-Krsna and all aspects of our practices lead to that end and to that end alone. Therefore, we worship Lord Narasimha who has the capacity to purify a heart filled with lust, to destroy the desire for fame and cunning behavior, to purify us from duplicitous dealings, to bestow fearlessness upon our weary souls and who's lotus feet bestow love for Sri Sri Radha-Krsna. By the association of Lord Narasimha's devotees all obstacles (anarthas) are cast far away and one develops loving attachment for the holy names of Radha and Krsna. Lord Narasimha also gives the benediction of being able to worship Sri Sri Radha-Krsna and to live peacefully without disturbance in the holy dhama (in this case Govindaji Gardens). The devotees of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu who have an affinity for Mayapura-dhama are often found to have an affinity for Lord Narasimha. This was especially true for the great Krsna consciousness pioneer, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, and in recent times Srila Bhakti Pramoda Puri Gosvami. Both these great personalities manifested an affinity toward Lord Narasimha. Sri Advaita Acarya is also purported to have worshipped Lord Narasimha in the form of a Narasimha-saligrama with Tulasi leaves and Ganges water when He called Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu to manifest in this world at Mayapura. So it is only natural for a follower of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu to have an affinity toward Lord Narasimha. We find at Yogapitha, the birth site of Sri Caitanya, that the Deity of Laksmi-Narasimha is established next to the shrine of Sri Sri Gaura Gadadhara. Srila Bhaktivinoda has said that Lord Narasimha attends the mangala-aratika at Yogapitha every morning. Thus a Deity of Lord Narasimha is established there. Also at Nrsimhapalli in Navadvipa-dhama there is a very ancient temple of Lord Narasimha who came to that place and manifested His Deity form. After killing Hiranyakasipu Lord Narasimha came to rest at Nrsimhapalli and the Demigods and great devotees came there to worship Him. At Gopinatha Gaudiya Matha, in the section of Mayapura known as Isodyana (the Garden of Srimati Radharani), Srila Puri Maharaja worshipped the Deity of Laksmi-Narasimha along with the worship of Sri Sri Radha Gopinatha and Sri Sri Gaura-Gadadhara. And every year on the day before Srila Puri Maharaja's Vyasa Puja all the devotees would go to Nrsimhapalli for darsana and a festival of kirtana and Hari-katha. Invariably the Hari-katha always touched upon the section of Srimad Bhagavatam call Prahlada-caritra wherein the pastime of Prahlada and Lord Narasimha is described. This section of Bhagavatam was also a favorite of Srila Gaura Kisora Dasa Babaji Maharaja as it was for Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates in Jagannatha Puri. gadadhara parena summukha bhagavata suniya prakase prabhu prema-bhava yata prahlada-caritra, ara dhruvera-caritra sata-vrtti kariya sunena sarhita "Whenever Sri Gadadhara would recite the Prahlada-caritra and Dhruva-caritra from Bhagavatam, the Lord would manifest various symptoms of love. The Lord would hear the glories of Prahlada and Dhruva hundreds of times." (Sri Caitanya-bhagavata, Antya.10.13-14) Sometimes pseudo-devotees of Radha-Krsna denounce the worship of Lord Narasimha and reject the chanting of Narasimha mantras. Such devotees do not know that if they themselves were to worship Lord Narasimha they might become free from their cunning and deceitful behavior and advance in their worship of Radha-Krsna. However, we do not find in the writings of the Six Gosvamis that the gopis in Goloka Vrndavana worshipped Lord Narasimha. But neither did they worship Saligrama-sila or the Tulasi plant, all of which are recommended activities for devotees in the stage of practice. Also we do not find any temples of Lord Narasimha established by the Six Gosvamis in Vrndavana. This absence of temples of Lord Narasimha in Vrndavana is certainly understandable because Lord Narasimha is not present in His fierce form where the love dalliances of Radha-Krsna are in progress. But at Kesavaji Gaudiya Matha in Mathura established by Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja we find that the Ugra (angry) form of Lord Narasimha is established in a small shrine on the roof of that Matha (although no formal sringara or worship is offered). So at least in some situations we do find that Lord Narasimha is present in Vrndavana. At Srivasangan in Mayapura, which is considered non-different from the mood of Vrndavana, and the place where Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu began His Sankirtana movement, there is a Deity of Ugra Narasimha killing Hiranyakasipu. The Deity is placed just in front of the Panca-tattva Deities. This is so because one day Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu came to the house of Srivasa Pandita and manifested His mood as Narasimha. Since that time devotees have always considered Lord Narasimha to be the protector of the sankirtana movement. This pastime is mentioned in Caitanya-bhagavata Madhya-khanda, ch. 2, 253-269 " Walking by the riverbank, He (Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) saw a herd of cows. They were mooing and drinking water. With raised tails some ran in the four directions. Some fought. Some napped. Some drank water. Seeing them, the Lord began to roar. I am He! I am He!" The Lord shouted again and again. In this way He ran to Srivasa's house. "Srivasa, what are you doing now?", the Lord roared. Within his home, Srivasa was worshiping Lord Narasimha. Pounding again and again, Sri Caitanya broke the door open. Whom do you worship? On whom do you meditate? Look! The person you worship has come!" the Lord roared. "Srivasa saw a form like blazing fire, Then his meditation broke. He looked in the four directions. He saw Sri Caitanya sitting in a virasana yoga posture. Sri Caitanya had four arms. He held a conch-shell, cakra, club, and lotus. He roared like a maddened lion. Slapping the palm of His hand against His left shoulder, He made a great sound. Seeing all this, Srivasa trembled. Then he became stunned. He did not move. "The Lord roared, O Srivasa! For so many days you did not know My true identity? Because of your loud sankirtana I left Vaikuntha and came here with all My associates. Not knowing Me, You left Me and went to Santipura. I will rescue the devotees. I will kill all the demons. Don't worry. Now recite prayers to Me." Gazing at the Lord, Srivasa wept tears of love. The fears in his heart died. Now He was confident. His whole body was filled with joy. "He offered dandavat obeisances. Then, folding his hands, he recited prayers. By his nature, Srivasa Pandita was a great devotee of the Lord. He accepted the Lord's order. By the Lord's desire, he recited prayers." The Deity form of Ugra Narasimha is usually not worshipped by the devotees of Mahaprabhu or by the devotees of Radha and Krsna except in special situations or in special places. The Ugra form of the Lord is very fearful and hard to please. Of course such has become the fashion among certain devotees, but it is actually imprudent on the part of a devotee to think that he can pacify Lord Narasimha when the Lord is in an angry mood. At the time of killing Hiranyakasipu Lord Narasimha manifested great anger, so much so that the Demigods, great devotees like Narada Muni, and even Laksmi (the Goddess of Fortune) were afraid to approach Him. Only the pure devotee like Prahlada Maharaja was able to approach Lord Narasimha at that time. So who are we to think that we are more qualified than great devotees like Narada or that we are equal to Prahlada Maharaja? But such is our audacity. During the Ratha-yatra festival each year in Jagannatha Puri when Lord Jagannatha goes to the Gundica temple Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu used to take His sankirtana devotees for darsana of Lord Narasimha at a small temple just adjacent to Gundica. In that temple Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu performed congregational chanting of the holy names of Krsna and danced in ecstatic love of God before the Deity. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu used to manifest the bodily symptoms of love of God before the Deity such as loudly chanting the Holy Name, dancing in ecstasy, shivering and sometimes fainting. Based on all these facts it is safe to say that the aspiring devotees should not unnecessarily avoid the worship of Lord Narasimha, for such would be an offence. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has written five beautiful prayers in 'Sri Navadvipa Bhava Taranga' for receiving the mercy of Lord Narasimha. These prayers are certainly assurance to all sincere devotees that the worship of Lord Narasimha is purely in the line of aspiring love and devotion to Sri Sri Radha and Krsna. Those prayers are as follows. e dusta hrdaye kama adi ripu chaya kutinati pratisthasa sathya sada raya hrdaya-sodhana ara krsnera vasana nrsimha-carane mora ei to' kamana Within my sinful heart the six enemies headed by lust perpetually reside, as well as duplicity, the desire for fame, plus sheer cunning. At the lotus feet of Lord Narasimha, I hope that He will mercifully purify my heart and give me the desire to serve Lord Krsna. kandiya nrsimha-pade magibo kakhana nirapade navadvipe jugala-bhajana bhaya bhaya paya yan'ra darsane se hari prasanna hoibo kabe more daya kari Weeping, I will beg at the lotus-feet of Lord Narasimha for the benediction of worshipping Radha and Krsna in Navadvipa, perfectly safe and free from all difficulties. When will this Lord Hari, Whose terrible form strikes fear into fear itself, ever become pleased and show me His mercy? yadyapi bhisana murti dusta-jiva-prati prahladadi krsna-bhakta-jane bhadra ati kabe va prasanna ho'ye sa krpa-vacane nirbhaya karibe ei mudha akincane Even though Lord Narasimha is terrifying toward the sinful souls, He offers great auspiciousness unto the devotees of Lord Krsna headed by Prahlada Maharaja. When will He be pleased to speak words of compassion unto me, a worthless fool, and thereby make me fearless? svacchande baiso he vatsa sri-gauranga-dhame jugala-bhajana hau rati hau name mama bhakta-krpa-bale vighna jabe dura suddha cite bhajo radha-krsna-rasa-pura He will say, "Dear child! Sit sown freely and live happily here in Sri Gauranga-dhama. May you nicely worship the Divine Couple, and may you develop loving attachment for Their Holy Names. By the mercy of My devotees, all obstacles are cast far away. With a purified heart, just perform the worship of Radha and Krsna, for such worship overflows with sweet nectar." ei boli' kabe mora mastaka-upara sviya sri-carana harse dharibe isvara amani jugala-preme sattvika vikare dharaya lutibo ami sri-nrsimha-dvare Saying this, will that Lord delightedly place His own divine lotus-feet upon my head? I will experience sublime love for the Divine Couple Radha-Krsna and undergo the ecstatic transformations called sattvika. Falling on the ground, I will roll about at the door of Sri Narasimha's temple. (Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, - Sri Navadvipa Bhava Taranga, 36-40) ------ NEW GOSAI.COM HOME PAGE http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/

"I think the present cows may have been the slaughter house workers of the past." ------- <font color="blue"> This could be used as an excuse, </font color> Maya-devi can use any means to punish, I don't think its necessary She uses, cow and humans together, and she can choose any number of animals. And since cows are very dear to KRSNA, it's these Mellacha cow-killers who are at fault not, the cows {karma}. We could analyse for centuries about how the cows ended up in the slaughter houses, Karma is endless, you could say.. "I think the present cows may have been the slaughter house workers of the past." Karma is endless, cows waiting to be killed--it's in their Karma to be killed? Cannot Karma be changed? Isn't that what KRSNA Consciousness is about?

a real guru comes by his mercy, not because we, communicating with paramatma or after realizing paramatma by ourselves, recognize him if we are conditionated there's no way to communicate with paramatma (=krsna), without the medium of a bonafide spiritual master first we see guru, then he gives to us the krsna's(=paramatma's) vision om ajnana-timirandasya jnananjnana salakaya caksur unmilitam yena tasmai sri gurave namah I offer my most humble obeisances to my spiritual master who has opened my eyes which were blinded by ignorance with the light of knowledge. ========== Huh? yes but who gives Guru? KRSNA!!! what you said makes no sense without saying KRNSA gives Guru, you are missing out Paramamta from the equation. Thiest prabhu was right all along.

Hare Krsna Its bit complicated, I can see the different views, somewhat, the rules and regulations devotees Swaminarayana live by are the same as in Iskcon/Gaudiya Math. So is the person they call Swaminarayana God or devotee of God? Are there some differences of opinion on this, since worship of KRSNA is recommended, in your sect? And Pramuch Swami Maharaja is one of the 24 Gurus as you mentioned? Worship of Guru is great, like Christians they do the same; they worship Jesus Christ as Guru. So is Swaminarayana sect similar?

yes, your right, Thiest Prabhu I decline to comment. /images/graemlins/smile.gif But I'd like to know, why is it we can maintain millions of cows everyday for flesh, the Government must fund these slaughter houses, what do you think?

Anyone believeing swaminarayan is supreme avatari is basing that not on vedic athority as scripture does not state this anywhere. ---- Is the one in London. The Babashri sect? They worship Pramuch Swami Maharaja (Guru) and Swami-Narayana (whom they call Source of KRNSA) but also in the temple they worship KRSNA. Curious indeed.

Lets be careful. /images/graemlins/blush.gif Actually I have been informed there are 2 sects, one broke away from the Original, the one that broke away looks to be more popular, the book they read it strewn with reffs to Krishna, this is surprising to me, I don't know much about it, I would like to hear from somebody impartial. If anybody is out there? Its good to know about this, in effect they are praying to Krishna some way or another, but they seem to be confusing Guru with God, they worship Guru as actual God, when instead it should be worship Guru as representative of God, somewhere along the line it got lost, I think, and I am not sure about this, the sect that broke away, is practicing in a bona-fide way?

Hare Krsna During certain months, you have to stay away from certain foods such as leafy vegetables, some months milk products, etc, do devotees actually practice this? I can't imagine being able to do this, it seems more difficult that living by the 4 regulative priciples!

Thats what my mum said, actally also Bulls are being used less, tractors are in effect. Maybe she meant buffalos, there isn't many cows where I live, also, we have many money to kill and maintain cows, but no money to look after them, whats that all about?

Bulls give milk as well, can't you use their milk? Actally milk from Bulls is thicker, and is given to children, so says my Mother.

<font color="black"> -------- <font color="green"> Chapter-29 of KRSNA Book <font color="green"> Srila Prabhupada: (excerpt only} It appears that Krsna enjoyed the rasa dance with the gopis when He was eight years old. ------- ------- <font color="green"> Bhagavad-gita 4.1-6, Los Angeles, January 3, 1969 </font color> Madhudvisa: "He appears exactly in His eternal body, uncontaminated by this material world. Although He appears in the same transcendental body, it still appears that He has taken His birth like an ordinary living entity, although in fact He is the lord of the universe. Despite the fact that Lord Krsna has grown up from childhood to boyhood and from boyhood to youth, astonishingly enough, He never ages beyond youth-hood. On the battlefield of Kuruksetra when He was present, He had many grandchildren at home, or, in other words, He had sufficiently aged by material calculations. Still, He looked just like a young man, twenty or twenty-five years old. We have never seen a picture of Krsna in old age because He never grows old like us, although He is the oldest person in the whole creation, past, present, and future. Neither His body nor His intelligence ever deteriorates or changes. Therefore it is clear herein that in spite of His being in the material world, He is the same unborn, eternal form of bliss and knowledge, changeless in His transcendental body and intelligence. Factually His appearance and disappearance are like the sun rising, moving before us and then disappearing from our eyesight. When the sun is out of sight, we think that the sun is dead. And when the sun is before our eyes, we think that the sun is on the horizon. Actually the sun is always there. But owing to our defective, insufficient eyesight we must calculate the appearance and disappearance of the sun in the sky. And because His appearance and disappearance are completely different from that of any ordinary common living entity, it is evident that He is eternal in blissful knowledge by His internal potency, and He is not contaminated by material nature. The Vedas confirm that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is unborn, and yet He still appears to be taking His birth in multi-manifestations. The Vedic supplementary literature also confirms that even though the Lord appears to be taking His birth, He is still without change of body. In the Bhagavatam He appears before His mother as Narayana with four hands and the decorations of the six kinds of full opulences. His appearance in His original eternal form is His causeless mercy, according to the Visvakosa dictionary. The Lord is conscious of all His previous appearances and disappearances, but a common living entity forgets everything about his past body as soon as he gets another. He shows that He is the Lord of all living entities by performing wonderful and superhuman activities while on this earthly planet. The Lord is always the same Absolute Truth, and is without differentiation between His form and self, or between His quality and body. A question may now be raised as to why the Lord appears and disappears in this world at all. This is explained in the next verse." Prabhupada: All right. Stop. We shall discuss next. Hare Krsna. Very nice. All right. Any question regarding this discussion? Balabhadra: I thought was sixteen only. Prabhupada: Yes. Balabhadra: But in the Bhagavad-gita it said that He was twenty or twenty-five. Prabhupada: Yes. Just like you see the sun, you say, "Twelve o'clock," or "Sun is older." But sun is the same thing. It is your calculation. Sun at twelve o'clock, midday, is not older than it was in the morning, but it is our calculation that "Sun is now, say, six hours older from His appearance. That is our calculation. So Krsna is always sixteen, but we calculate like that. -----

Shikshapatri Sloka 62 All shall worship with singular devotion only that form of Lord Shri Krishna which is installed by the Acharya (who is a descendant of the family of Shri Dharmadev) and which is given to them for the purpose by him. All other forms of Lord Shri Krishna shall but be bowed and respected. 63 All my followers shall daily go to the temple of Lord Shri Krishna, in the evening and shall sing loudly the name of Lord Shri Krishna. http://www.swaminarayanwales.org.uk/Shikshapatri/shikshapatridetails.asp?shlockcode=65

Bhagavad-Gita sri- <font color="red">bhagavan </font color> uvaca loke 'smin dvi-vidha nistha pura prokta mayanagha jnana-yogena sankhyanam karma-yogena yoginam SYNONYMS sri- <font color="red">bhagavan </font color> uvaca--the Supreme Personality of Godhead said; loke--in the world; asmin--this; dvi-vidha--two kinds of; nistha--faith; pura--formerly; prokta--were said; maya--by Me; anagha--O sinless one; jnana-yogena--by the linking process of knowledge; sankhyanam--of the empiric philosophers; karma-yogena--by the linking process of devotion; yoginam--of the devotees. TRANSLATION The Blessed Lord said: O sinless Arjuna, I have already explained that there are two classes of men who realize the Self. Some are inclined to understand Him by empirical, philosophical speculation, and others are inclined to know Him by devotional work. http://www.asitis.com/3/3.html ---- Bg. Introduction The speaker of Bhagavad-gita is Lord Sri Krsna. He is mentioned on every page of Bhagavad-gita as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Bhagavan. Of course the word "bhagavan" sometimes refers to any powerful person or any powerful demigod, and certainly here Bhagavan designates Lord Sri Krsna as a great personality, but at the same time we should know that Lord Sri Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.. http://www.asitis.com/introduction.html ------ Bg.2.2 PURPORT Krsna and the Supreme Personality of Godhead are identical. Therefore Lord Krsna is referred to as "Bhagavan" throughout the Gita. Bhagavan is the ultimate in the Absolute Truth. Absolute Truth is realized in three phases of understanding, namely Brahman or the impersonal all-pervasive spirit; Paramatma, or the localized aspect of the Supreme within the heart of all living entities; and Bhagavan, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Krsna. www.asitis.com/2/2.html ------- Bg.11.19 PURPORT There is no limit to the extent of the six opulences of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Here and in many other places there is repetition, but according to the scriptures, repetition of the glories of Krsna is not a literary weakness. It is said that at a time of bewilderment or wonder or of great ecstasy, statements are repeated over and over. That is not a flaw. www.asitis.com/11/19.html ------ Jaya Bhagavan ---Glory to the Supreme Personality! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Why does KRSNA say He is the taste of water? I was just satisfied, Srila Prabhupada says the taste of pure water is that taste of KRSNA, LIKE i.e Ganga jal, the water of the Ganges has a distict taste, you can feel the purity in it.. The level must be there though, water from the Yamuna, must be different, the tastes must be unlimited, because PRABHUPADA said KRSNA is unlimited, Skys the limit!

===== by BR Sridhara Maharaja Disicple of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Maharaja Once the Vyasa Puja, the birth ceremony of our Guru Maharaja, was celebrated in the Cuttack Matha. Many important local citizens were invited, including Janaki Bose, the father of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose, who was a leading attorney in Cuttack at that time. All these people had taken their seats on a carpet on the floor, whereas Prabhupada had been given a throne for his seat. In his address, Prabhupada said, "I am given so much honor, garments, worship, sandalwood and flowers. Many nice things are being read about me here in my presence. And I am accepting this worship before so many members of the town's elite. Even a beast in the zoo would be ashamed to accept such honors, such respect, in front of so many gentlemen. Should I too not be ashamed? Why then am I accepting them? In fact, I accept them only on behalf of my guru, to show that he deserves this honor. This honor is for my guru and I accept it only to send it on to him. I am nothing without my guru. I am being worshiped because I have received his words, his advice. I am being honored because I have followed his directions, otherwise I would not. Therefore, though it is humiliating and causes me much heartache, I still accept these honors to show his exalted position." ---- http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/sridhara_mj_fs.html

I think of Nitai-pada-kamala. See if the MERCY flows.

By Gauridasa Pandita Dasa <font color="green"> "Reading Srimad Bhagavatam" </font color> Vrndavan India June 1977. I used to take Srila Prabhupada's paraphelnelia to translate his books up to the rooftop before sundown every evening. Part of the roof was covered and part was open and there is an inside room also and a bathroom. Srila Prabhupada would come up just at about sunset to start his translation work for the night. My duty was to set up everything at Srila Prabhupada's desk and then guard it so the monkeys wouldn't run off with anything. The monkeys in Vrndavan are notorious for stealing things and going to the market place to trade their goods for bananas. They toss things to the vendors who toss back some fruits. These things are still going on! One evening as I was waiting for Srila Prabhupada's arrival I sat there reading the Srimad Bhagavatam. All of the sudden Srila Prabhupada entered so I put the book on his desk and offered my obeisances. When I rose up Srila Prabhupada asked me what I was reading. I replied that it is your Srimad Bhagavatam 4th Canto part 4. Srila Prabhupada then smiled bigger than any other time the whole 4 months I was with him. He turned to his secretary and said, "He's reading in his spare time; this is very good!" I was elated. Such a simple thing was so pleasing to His Divine Grace. Simple living and high thinking - ki jai! All the times when I watered his window mats with a low presure hose in the scorching heat and did so many menial services I never got such a smile as when he caught me reading in my spare time. All glories to the book Bhagavata and the person Bhagavata! Now that we don't have the physical presence of Srila Prabhupada we can still serve the books; and thus make him,ourselves, and others, supremely happy. --- http://members.aol.com/Gauridas/index.htm

Thats the advice I needed, reminded while reading your post of when Srila Prabhupada caught his disciple reading Srimad Bhagavatam, and His Divine Grace smiled so big, he was just pleased at this small thing, the disicple said. I'll just read.

So simple presented, its great. Could I ask who compiled this list? Bhaja NITYANANA.

The KRNSA BOOK www.krsnabook.com

Hare KRSNA I am reading the Bhagavatam, and it takes a long time, to read the Sanskrit verses, then the word-for-word. In the opinion of devotees here would it be ok to read the Translation and the Purport, and for now skip the Sanskrit and word-for-word? I want to read it quickly, have an idea of it, then read again later, Please tell me your opinions.

Hare Krsna Doubts Doubts are more Doubts, little faith is there, got to rely on mercy, ..how do we rely on mercy? I would like to know at what point mercy is given, without mercy we cannot keep any vows for any amount of time.

He is a vaibhava vilasa expansion of Krishna, -- No idea what that is. explain please,.. Seems like even Sada-siva wants to render service to KRSNA. Simliar pastime comes to mind is, Lord Maha-Visnu stole Brahmana's babies, and KRSNA had to locate them, so Maha-Vishnu was doing service for KRSNA by letting KRSNA see Him{Maha-Visnu}, otherwise how else would Maha-Visnu see KRSNA? in case you have no idea what I am saying lol its in the www.krsnabook.com I am only guessing at the service thing. Sorry.