DayalGovinda dasa

I agree mostly with Jagat. The point I wish to reiterate (for I think that Jagat mentioned it before) is that, for Krsna Bhaktas it is the devotion that counts in whatever we do, singing, offering bhoga, Deity worship etc but we should not use that as an excuse for being sloppy. If we are trying to imbue every action with devotion then will we not want to perform it technically correct as well? (within our capability of course) So of course kirtan can get carried away with fancy mrdanga playing and sweet voices but if done with devotion they serve to enhance the mood. in service DayalGovinda dasa

Shvu, you say: "in Moksha however, there are no more wants, making it more superior." Do you mean that peolpe engaged in this path do not even desire moksa? Why then do they engage in the practice? The idea of Pure Bhakti is that the Bhakta desires nothing for themselves, they only desire Krsna's happiness thus they cultivate selfless desire. To become desireless in your vision would mean that peolpe would become indifferent to everything, even striving for moksa, would this not make them just lazy? I would appreciate your response. Dayal

It is a shame that your experience of Srila Prabhupada's movement has left you with this doubts, but understandable. SP says that one who is Krsna Consciouness has no fault, that is true. What should be asked is 'are these persons KC?' By becoming KC one develops all good qualities, this is how we are to judge someone. Prabhupada said that his only fault is that he initiated so many unqualified people. This should not be taken as a disqualification on SP's part though, rather we should see it as his immense generosity and compassion that he bestowed upon these people the gift of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Disciple means to be disciplined, if we are then we should see positive qualities coming in our character, if we are not then we can hardly blame our guru. Again I assume that you haven't seen all of Prabhupada's disciples. He said himself that he would consider his movement succesful if he created one pure devotee. I suggest that you pray sincerely to Nityananda Prabhu to show you who to connect with, if you are sincere he will not ignore your plea. I hope this meets you well In service DayalGovinda dasa

I think that in my reply I may echo some of the sentiment expressed by Gauracandra so forgive me if I do. Using the analogy of a tree will only get us so far, the tree may be perfect but in one year the yeild may be attacked by bugs or frost etc. Some of the fruit will overcome this and go on to ripen fully, these are the fruits we should judge it by. A fault with your thinking is that the fruit from a tree is not concious (as we are) and thus does not represent how our desires and conditioning may carry us away. The guru can only do so much, it is ultimately up to the disciple to carry out the instructions that the guru has given him, he cannot be expected to live the discple's life for him. We should, as I said, judge the tree by its best fruit and I can only assume that you have not yet seen all of the fruit from the Prabhupada tree. Please do not be disheartened that you have these doubts and questions, if you are sincere then Krsna will reciprocate with that sincerity and send you a worthy guide, until then you could check into the dailysanga.com website and see how one of Prabhupada's disciples has fully ripened and is bearing fruit of his own. in service DayalGovinda dasa