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Respected Sant Ji,It is not my intention to stop you or anyone from discussing. Go ahead, this is a free forum, and I am aware of that, thank you. I am again sorry to butt in, I won't do it in the future.
Im sorry ofcourse you didnt say something wrong.You dont think that we are not letting others live or something like that.We werent even talking about that.This was the topic 20 posts earlier.And i thought you were reffering to what we were talking about now.
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I find it funny you always coming with the same type of message and always passing one comment and then fleeding.
Ofcourse youre welcome to butt in who am it to stop you.
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What do you know about Vedas? Post me any verse from the four Vedas where Krishna is mentioned as Supreme God. Srimadh Bagavadham is a Purana and not Veda. You may believe it is Veda. But it is not accepted generally.Its not there.Because vedas can hint towards krishna.vishnu is considered as god and he is non different from krishna.Besides how much of vedas do we really have left now.jagad guru kripalu mahraj has clearly told about krishna being the supreme lord.Vallabhacharya,nimbakacharya they are all well versed in the vedas and have come to this conclusion.
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Dear Respected Members,This thread is going way off topic, pardon me for chanelling my thoughts this way. All I have to say, follow whatever path you are practicing. Be tolerant (that certainly won't affect what ever your faith is) with other people's faith too. In short, live and let live. Namaste.
dear respected kshama, this is a discussion forum and u dont stop us from discussing.
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Vaishnavism is a branch of Hinduism." This is true based on historical and academic usage.Not fully true in histoical way,but yes the common accptance of what is hinduism now then, maybe yes.
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Sant, my dear friend. You always come to my rescue. There`s no greater love than this..Hes been doing this earlier also.Muslims are my enemy.dont forget this etc.Hes been affected by the muslims destroying hindu temples in malaysia.
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Love? Go and teach that to your Christians first. Because as far as I know, Christians do not know what Love is and they do not appreciate Life either.Abortions, Adultery, Children out of wedlocks, teenagers having sex when they turn 16 and so many more corruptions occurs in US and Europe. At least Hindus are well enough to know what Morale and Ethics are and live their lives accordingly. That is respectable AND admirable.
People like you do not know what it means to be One with God. Do you think every tom, dick and harry can do that? In order to become One with God, One MUST make him or her clean - physically, mentally AND Spiritually. That is what Hindus are doing and Hindus should be proud that they have a noble goal in life. They should not entertain people like Christians and Muslims.
sephiroth your full of hatreed and enmity.Your avtar of some yantra or whatever shows are you some kind of tantric of something.You look like you walk with a gun ready to shoot anybody without using your head.
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Obviously I was speaking from the Vaishnava view point. You don't have to convince anyone. Life isn't about converting people to your belief. The Vedas provide all truth and people choose their paths based on their karma (sukriti, etc.).If that was true then why would prabhupada spread krishna consciosness.
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This is in reference to historical invaders of India who gave decrees that "all Hindus are to be killed" (for example in Delhi where 100,000 Hindus were massacred in a single day), or that all Hindus had to pay special taxes to be allowed to continue living. Such statements where the word Hindu was used always included all subsects of Hinduism, including Vaishnavas. Thus Vaishnavas have always been considered a branch of Hinduism. This is just to point out that the definition of Hinduism has always included Vaishnavas.Imagine back then trying to explain to the soldiers that actually you weren't a Hindu, you were a Vaishnava, which is the eternal constitutional position of the soul. It wouldn't have gotten you out of that mess.
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Certainly i get what you say.But now you tell the word hindu-stan how well will muslims or christians take this word.This word is again persian origin and if hindu means followers of veda's supremacy and authority then what do you think will the christians think of it.or the muslims or sikhs.Will they be happy to hear it that this country is not for them.The word originally only meant those who lived in indus valley along indus civilisation.
Sikhs also do not consider authority of vedas so are they hindu?but they are considere as hindus by many.
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Service to Narayana is the perfection of that Vedic religion.Tell that to the shaiv or advait .Well see how far theyll agree on this.
In the end, one attains the feet of Narayana, which is the conclusion of the Vedic religion.Shaivs will laugh at this.even krishna is considered as a human who has all the siddhies and the shaivs or shakts beleive that they can become like him by doing their sadhana and their tantric practices.ive read such posts in this website only.
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Leave him alone Sambya,we had inuf from him in forum as well as in our inbox.You cannot change destiny.Let him prove his points by wasting his precious time which he could have spent worshiping God.Last night he was having 760 posts and today it is at 820 with the help of his jet engines you just cannot beat this superman!Quote:
Idea is to serve god and not merely worship him.
If self realisation is there, every work you do becomes a prayer.Please read swami chidananda on this.Certainly im not on taht level but im just telling.
Its a good thing you never said the word sahdana.You yourself after irritating me with your word have in a way promoted me to start this thread.Eveytime i ask anything.Go and do sadhana this is what i get from you.(lighthearted way take it)
He is good at heart only thing I found in him that he looks little confused in some area,such confusion can be solved with the help of God and I wish he continuous correct approach in Bhakti.No offence met Sanatbhai I respect you as a human and by all means.May Shri Krishna bless you.Thank you may god bless you too sir.
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Quote:Originally Posted by rahalkar
Hare Krishna everybody,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I mentioned Lord Gauranga in my previous post (#126). I want to add Scriptural references which explain the Supreme Personality of Lord Gauranga.
Who is Lord Gauranga? Lord Gauranga is none other than the Supreme Lord Krishna. Here are the references:
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Prediction of the name of His mother and the name
of His future birthplace.
** In the Garuda-Purana, the Supreme Lord says:
aham purno bhavisyami
yuga-sandhyau visesatah
mayapure navadvipe
bhavisyami sachi sutah
I will take birth as the son of Sachi [bhavisyami sachi sutah], in Navadvip-Mayapur [mayapure navadvipe]. I will come in my complete spiritual form in the first part of Kali-Yuga.
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Rahalkar,
I have the entire Garuda Purana in the original Sanskrit. I looked and looked and could not find this verse anywhere.
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Prediction of the future advent of Sri Chaitanya
** In the Padma-Purana, it is said:
yatrayogesvarah saksad
yogi-cintyo janardanah
chaitanya vapur aste vai
sandranandatmakah
The Supreme Personality, Janardana, who is the object of the yogis' meditation [yogi-chintyo- janardanah], who saves the devotees from various sufferings, and who is the master of all yogic practices [yogesvarah], who is always full of divine transcendental cstasy and bliss [sandra-ananda-atmakah], will advent in His own divine form of Sri Chaitanya [Chaitanya-vapah].
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Description of the time and place Sri Chaitanya's future advent, name of His mother
** In the Padma-Purana, the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself states:
kaleh prathama-sandhyayam
gaurangotham mahi-tale
bhagirathi-tate ramye
bhavisyami sachi-sutah
I shall appear on this earth [mahi-tale] in the first part of Kali-Yuga [kaleh prathama sandhyayam] in a beautiful place on the bank of the Bhagirathi [bhagirathi-tate ramye]. I shall have a golden form [gaurangah], and I shall take birth as the son of Sachi [bhavisyami sachi-sutah].
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I looked in my edition of the Padma Purana. These verse are nowhere to be found in the Padma Purana.
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Prediction of His mother's name and the nature of His specific preaching method [sankirtana].
** The Supreme Personality of Godhead states in the Narada-Purana:
divija bhuvi jayadhvam
jayadhvam bhakta rupinah
kalau sankirtana arambhe
bhavisyami sachi-sutah
O Divija (demigods), please come and advent as devotees on this earth [bhuvi jayadhvam jayadhvam] in the age of Kali-Yuga. I will incarnate as the son of Sachi [bhavisyami sachi-sutah] to inaugurate the congregational chanting of the name of Krishna [kalau sankirtana arambhe].
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You guessed it. This is not in the Narada Purana as claimed.
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Prediction of the name of His future first wife and His future assumption of the sannyasa order.
** In the same Garuda-Purana, it is also stated:
kaleh prathama sandhyayam
lakshmi- kanto bhavisyati
daru-brahma-samipa-sthah
sannyasi gaura-vigrahah
In the first part of Kali-Yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead will come in a gold-like form. First He will become the husband of Lakshmi [srimati Lakshmi Devi, Lord Chaitanya's first wife]. Then He will become a sannyasi, near Lord Jagannatha who will appear in a divine wooden form.
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Nope, not in the Garuda Purana. I looked for this too.
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Prediction of the bodily color of Sri Chaitanya and the nature of His future activities.
** In the Nrsimha-Purana, it is said:
satye daitya-kuladhi-nasa-samaye
simhordhva-martyakrtis
tretayam das-kandharam
paribhavan rameti namakrtih
gopalan paripalayan vraja-pure
bharam haran dvapare
gaurangah priya-kirtanah
kali-yuge chaitanya-nama prabhuh
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead who in the Satya-Yuga appeared as a half-man, half-lion to cure a terrible disease that had ravaged the daityas, and who in the Treta-Yuga appeared as a person named Rama [Lord Ramachandra], the person who defeated the ten-headed Demon Ravana, and who in the Dvapara-Yuga removed the earth's burden, and protected the Gopa [cowherd men] people of Vraja-pura, will appear again in the Kali-Yuga.
His form will be golden, He will delight in chanting the Lord's holy names, and His name will be Chaitanya."
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The Narasimha Purana is actually an Upa-Purana, but I have the two volume edition published by Nag Publishers. Again, this quote is also not there.
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Prediction that the Supreme Lord will leave Goloka and corne in a golden form.
** In the Markandeya-Purana, the Supreme Personality of Godhead declares:
golokam ca parityajya
lokanam trana-karanat
kalau gauranga-rupena
lila-lavanya-vigrahah
"In the Kali-Yuga, I will leave Goloka and, to save the people of the world, I will become the handsome and playful Lord Gauranga."
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Nope, I checked for this too. It's not in Markandeya Purana.
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Prediction of the name of the mother of Sri Chaitanya and His future role as the deliverer of the darkness of Kali-Yuga.
** In the Vamana-Purana, the Supreme Personality of Godhead declares:
kali-ghora-tamas-channat
sarvan acara varjitan
sachigarbhe ca sambhuya
tarayisyami narada
O Narada Muni, I will take birth in the womb of Sachi [sachi-garbhe ca sambhuya]. I shall save the people, who will give up all proper good conduct [sarvan acara varyitan], from the terrible darkness of the age of Kali-Yuga [kali-ghora-tamas-channan].
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This verse is not in the Vamana Purana.
I'm sorry to say that none of your quotes can be found in the puranas from you claim they are quoted.
This just shows youve not read anything in full.
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Hundreds of years ago, when the Muslim kings gave orders to kill Hindus, Vaishnavas were included in that list.Chritians are christians judaism i have no knowledge about.
I said christians and not judaism.
Hundreds of years ago, when the Muslim kings gave orders to kill Hindus, Vaishnavas were included in that list.Talk of now 600 years ago is a long time.Prabhupada has said that hare krishnas are not hindus dut to some reason.Now those westerner hare krishna if do not want to be called hindus no need to force them.
But if they think they are someone beyond mundane etc... etc. as you have said then i cant comment on that because i have not met many hare krishnas.They can be right or wrong i have no reason or right to talk about them.
But i do get your trying to say is that hinduism now is same as sanatan dharm and is includes those people who accept the authority of vedas.
Then can you give me a definition of vaishnavism,because the only definition i remember is from lord shiva who said that vaishnav is one who serves the lord.
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Sant, everyone is confused when you say anything, because you can't type in proper English and don't seem to have any idea what you are talking about.Certainly my english can be bad.
But im clear now.
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What do you mean by vedik knowledge?
Knowledge of the Vedas.
No again you talk nonsense.Do you think vedas are storybooks.Have you even read the vedas.
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What i meant was the vedik rituals,yajnas etc.Which are to be performed.
Oh I'm sorry. With Hare Krishnas many words often do not mean what they seem. Very well, let us use your dictionary.
Do you think vedas do not talk about rituals.The vedas mostly contain prayers and mantras to be performed by priests.Isnt that correct sir.
Uhh, yeah. Vedic rituals were performed under Madhva's direction and are done right down to the present day in the Madhva tradition. Have you never been to the Udipi Sri Krishna temple?No ive not been.This is your finite understanding of vedas.The vedas dont even talk of temples.The yajnas done they themselves purify the enviroment.
Vaishnavas from traditional sampradayas are quite qualified to perform Vedic rituals and yagnas and continue to do so today. You are certainly not qualified - do not extrapolate to others the weakness of your own character.Again the vedas are to be performed by brahmans and im not one.So ofcourse i wont do it.It is said that in this age the brahmins are also shudras and they do the yajnas.Surely that is being proved here.
In response to, "certain individuals on this very thread have a repeated tendency to proclaim that they know the real essence of the Vedas and yet go around using their so-called knowledge to club everyone else over the head, calling them "mundane,hodge podge," etc." you wrote:Its you who does it.Besides Mahprabhus philosophy is great.If you due to youir enmity with a hare krishna will not accept it then that is your wish.youre not accepting because you have some enmity with them not because you think they are wrong.Isnt that true.
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You speak of ramanuja and madhwa but where their philosophies same and so is it that one of them didnt know vedas.
Sant, what are you talking about? Do you have any idea how crazy you sound? Can you not trouble yourself to learn English? No one can figure out what it is you are trying to say.
What shall i do. Whatever you dont want to accept or dont like to answer or dont have an answer for are going to make excuses.
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You dont know anything about your own philosophy and you talk about others.
Whatever you say, Sant. Am I correct in assuming that you are no older than 16 years of age?
Wrong again.
In response to my quoting Sri Krishna's instructions on austerity of speech in BG 17.15 and Prabhupada's commentary to that effect, you wrote:Quote:
This is the biggest joke ive heard from you.Certainly irony is your favourite emotion.Its like a thief telling teaching and ordering me not to rob others.
You may not take Sri Krishna's instruction seriously, but it is there nevertheless.
Ofcourse if a thief comes and tells me not to rob anyone then i can laugh only.Yo yourself use bad words and try to insult people and youre telling me.
So I will just say to them, here is what your own guru has to say on the subject (BG 17.15Remember this raghu.
What did you mean your own guru.Bhagwad gita is for everyone i thought but you have started this-'your guru my guru'.
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Certainly people if your forcibly goingt to call foreign vaishnavs who were christians once as hindu then there might be who will not accept it.
Hinduism originally meant those people who were born along the sindhu river.
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Tell it to any Advaitin and he will laugh more. He will laugh at your ignorance of what Advaita is. Btw, Christians and Muslims have little or no time for your Hare Krishna brand of worshipping Krishna idols either. It is an offense and you guys are hell bound. As far as they are concerned, there is no difference between the Hare Krishna & the Advaitin.Why dont you stick to topics you are familiar with, instead of constantly puting your foot in your mouth? Or read Advaita from a proper source and then criticize the doctrine.
Aha so do you know anything about advait.I already said correct me if i am wrong.So insteading of poking at me just tell me what i said was wrong.
Btw, Christians and Muslims have little or no time for your Hare Krishna brand of worshipping Krishna idols either. It is an offense and you guys are hell bound. As far as they are concerned, there is no difference between the Hare Krishna & the Advaitin.Cetrtainly you have forgotten that sonic yogi,bhaktjan melvin and the many iskcon followers in the world were christians earlier.
So what do you think of that.
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sant , you are free to show a sloka from any standard advaitist scripture stating that the goal is to become god or that the practice is to proclaim yourself as god ......You got me wrong.I meant that they beleive they are already god as in everything is god,Brahman.The unity.There is no need to change.Everything is an illusion.What is true is The self brahman.which is same as atma.
Listen to quotes of yogananda-
Self-realization is the knowing in all parts of body, mind, and soul that you are now in possession of the kingdom of God; that you do not have to pray that it come to you; that God’s omnipresence is your omnipresence; and that all that you need to do is improve your knowing.
Ramakrishna-
His teaching, "Jive daya noy, Shiv gyane jiv seba" (not kindness to living beings, but serving the living being as Shiva Himself
this has stemmed from his advaitic point of view.
Sathya sai-Youre god you just have to realise it.
One of the Upanishad lines on whose basis advaits jump-
aham brahmasmi
Many quotes from the gita where the soul is referred to as ishwara
and upanishads where sometimes atma is reffered To as brahman.
How about more common shivohum -i am shiva
So is that enough.
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In the western world, people just laugh at Advaitism.
No sambya you yourself go and tell any muslim or christian this he will surely laugh when you say youre god.Its not a scandal.
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You can become God!"Really, that is such an absurd concept that it's hard to understand how so many Hindu people have bought into such a ridiculous religion.
Most advaits think they already are god correct me if i am wrong.
They just have to realise it.Certainly aham brhamasmi,Where soul is referred to as ishwar in gita,Soul is refered to brahman etc.They may qoute from here.
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Yes i agree but why again you envy a religion.
The nature of the soul is of sel.This is also mentioned.
And when you talk about being like krishna.It is mentioned in the in one of the types of mukti that you attain the status of vishnu.
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Adharam Madhuram, Vadanam Madhuram,
Nayanam Madhuram, Hasitham Madhuram,
Hrudhayam Madhuram, Gamanam Madhuram,
Madhuradhipather Akhilam Madhuram.
Vachanam Madhuram, Charitham Madhuram,
Vasanam Madhuram, Valitham Madhuram,
Chalitham Madhuram, Bramitham Madhuram,
Madhurathipather Akhilam Madhuram.
Venur Madhura, Renur Madhura,
Panir Madhura, Padhou Madhura,
Nrithyam Madhuram, Sakhyam Madhuram,
Madurathipather Akhilam Madhuram
Geetham Madhuram, Peetham Madhuram,
Bhuktham Madhuram,Suptham Madhuram,
Roopam Madhuram, Thilakam Madhuram
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram.
Karanam Madhram, Tharanam Madhuram,
Haranam Madhuram, Ramanam Madhuram,
Vamitham Madhuram, Samitham Madhuram,
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram.
Gunja Madhura, Mala Madhura,
Yamuna Madhura, Veechi Madhura,
Salilam Madhuram, Kamalam Madhuram,
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram.
Gopi Madhura, Leela Madhura,
Yuktham Madhuram, Muktham Madhuram,
Drishtam Madhuram,Sishtam Madhuram,
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram.
Gopa Madhura, Gavo Madhura,
Yashtir Madhura, Srushtir Madhra,
Dhalitham Madhram, Phalitham Madhuram,
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram.
Beautiful actually maybe i cant propelry describe the beauty of this song.
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'Sadhana panchakam' as the word ive read.
NOw if you say the word is साधना then i can say the terms being hindi and make panchakam pronounced as pancha kaam as (whats done with sadhana) Which means in hindi -5 works as panch means 5 and kaam means work.
But if you take it as sanskrit then it should be pronounced as saadhana panchakam.
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Hey sonic yogi.Please tell me what does krishna mean when he says that you attain my spiritual nature.Dont the advait have an upper hand on that.And he also says that the nature of the soul is of self.
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even if it is sadhana and lacks an extra 'A' and you manage to prove it to all , what benefit would that be to you ? i see no material , pecuniary , spiritual , or any other benefit arising from this act !!! except that it would boldly show to the members here , how learned and pandit you are !!
Youre right my dear sambya but is there anything wrong if i do something like that.Certainly proving whats right is a right thing.
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Yo us simply dont understand what i said.Yo were wrong in your point with theist.Anyway you stop dragging krishna and prabupada unnecesarily and dont act cheeky.Certainly your cheeky attitude is not very nice.