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All I denied was the idea that the Ramcharitamanasa is the same as Ramayana. This is a fact since RCM is written by Tulasi dasa and is a recent composition in Hindu, while Ramayana is written by Valmiki and is a much older composition in Sanskrit.

 

You dont beleive in the divinity of tulsidas who had darshan of hanuman.

Certainly some things might not be same as valmiki ramayan.But you dont see that even tulsidas knew valmiki ramayan and there must be a reason why he wrote the way it is.Ram cahrit manas is beautiful.

Ramayana is about the lilas of lord ram who came on earth.

This seems to be the most common supposition, because North Indians look similar to light-skinned Europeans, whereas Dravidians in South India resemble the aboriginal tribes in Australia and elsewhere.

 

you mean to say indians and sri lankans are descendants of europe and australia.

Excellent.

Obviously, blaming brahmins for all the problems of the world is yet another way by which Neo-Hinduism is rationalized.

 

Moderators should delete this word neo hindu wherever its used.

Originally Posted by raghu: Yes, I've been beaten at my own argument. Please forgive me for my offenses. I simply cannot debate with you.

 

 

RAghu as always remain dumb.I asked him do you beleive in madhwacharya as an avtar of vayu.?

No answer.

can you prove it.?

No answer.

What happens to dvaita in samadhi?

no answer.

The second part i get excuse.

Your english is bad.

You dont use punctuation marks.

The gaudiyas attack hinduism.

But only i am a true hindu ,rest are neo hindus.

I am a helpless being.

Gaudiyas torture me .

Neo hindus give me death threats.

I am the only one right.

MY aims are pure.

First i ask questions.

Whatever someone answers its wrong.

I have already decided that.

MY opinion is the law.

Of course it will apply to me not to neo hindus.

Originally Posted by kaiserose: Did Madhvas quote these missing verses to non-Madhvas at anytime without verse numbers and expect them to be accepted on the basis of faith? Show me one instance. This whole "references not found" criticism of Madhva is taken out of context.

 

On the other hand., there are several instances where the Gauidyas have tried it and are still trying to push bogus verses (without verse numbers) about the avatarhood of Chaitanya on the basis of faith to non-Gaudiyas. Until now, you believed these verses were genuine, yourself.

 

Now you may argue that these verse were lost after some dude made that list. That is not good enough. These verses should have existed before the time of Chaitanya, and therefore the coming of an avatar of Vishnu would have been noticed and recorded by other Vaishnava Gurus who lived long before Chaitanya. But that is not the case. These unidentified verses were not existing before the time of Chaitanya, briefly popped up during the time when someone compiled that list and promptly disappeared soon after. Is that your position now? Because there is no other position in favor of this theory.

 

There are more people who know in jesus as son of god than who know chaitanya as an avtara.

That is why I created the website christbusters.com and that is why you will find several articles by me on the Sampradaya Sun denouncing the authenticity of Jesus.

 

Sad never expected this from you.

What a sick name.

Sant, please take a course on elementary reading comprehension. And while you're at it, it wouldn't hurt for you to grow up a little and get a bit of maturity before coming to forums like these and picking fights.

 

 

Ofcourse thats whats expected from you.When you know youve been beaten at your own argument then you come up with excuses about my english being bad.

There are traces of planes in India known as Vimanas.

 

(http://crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html)

 

 

There are no pictures of indian planes but only egyptian.

They can be faulty also.

In Madhva's time, no one questioned the authenticity of many of the sources he quoted from. Whereas among Gaudiyas, there is internal dissent about such things as "Chaithanya Upanishad" as we have seen here.

 

Aha thats an answer to your own question about why the verse numbers are not mentioned.

Faith .

MAdhwacahry quoted verses that cannot be found.Is it because they are not there?

Two instances of this are found in his Visnu Tattva Vinirnaya, wherein he quotes the following from Skanda Purana —

And from the Padma Purana —

Gyan never comes from attending classes it comes from within Mr.C.P

True then what was the reason for ved vyaas to write the vedas and purana.What is the need for the sudent to ask questions from the guru.What is the need for anyone to ask anything if he already knows everything.What you think might be coming from within may be afected by the three gunas and has a chance to be contaminated.What you think is from within can be from the mind also.But it is true that everything comes from within since everything is within but how deep do people look inside.How much purity is there in me that i can look inside and listen to my inner voice without garbage of jealousy,envy,hatred,foolishnes not coming to block my way.

Even madhwacharya is considered an avtar of vayu do you or do you not beleive that raghu?

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SA Shivaisaid that they would take form and be born in the Bharadwaaja Gothra (lineage) thrice: Shiva alone as Shirdi Sai Baba, Shiva and Shakthi together at Puttaparthi as Sathya Sai Baba and Shakthi alone as Prema Sai, later." (Sathya Sai Speaks, III, 15:91, 6 July 1963)

"Rama and Krishna and Sai Baba appear different because of the dress each has donned, but it is the Self-same Entity, believe Me." (SSS, II, 18:92)

Hes had two opinions here also.

I think he said rama and krishna because he beliees him and shiva to be same.

anomalous = deviating from what is usual, normal, or expected : irregular, unusual

 

perverted = abnormal, unnatural - not normal; not typical or usual or regular or conforming to a norm

 

aberration = the fact or an instance of being aberrant especially from a moral standard or normal state

 

this is what i just said , "out of norms" or "out of way " ........

they are still not the same as wrong ....

 

 

Sambya you dont find anything 'wrong' in abnormal or perverted.

sathya sai claims to be an avataar of shiva

He revealed that the Sai Avatar is a triple incarnation of the Shiva-Shakthi Principle – Shiva as Shirdi Sai Baba, Shiva and Parvathi embodied as Sri Sathya Sai Baba and the Shakthi Principle that will incarnate as Prema Sai in the Mandya District of the state of Karnataka.

http://www.srisathyasai.org.in/Pages...troduction.htm

why do you persistently hold the opinion that it is only you who knows, barring anyone else , whether it be a hare krishna or neo hindu ?!!

 

this is a excellent example of egoism !!

 

you dont like iskcon , you dont like swaminarayan , ramakrishna , any of the modern hindu movements . in other words you bash up everyone holding different opinions and live in your own little well .

 

and when i ask you some important questions you remain silent thereby showing your complete and willfull ignorance about the matter !!

 

It took you who boasts about his psychology a long time to know what intentions raghu has and about him.

He is talking about Puttaparthi Saibaba who claims to be an avathar of Rama and krishna

 

I meant shirdi sai.(edited)

Must be..hmmm.I have a problem if Puttaparthi Saibaba claims to be an Avtar of vishnu in the line of Rama and krishna.It is an insult.Do you get it

I thought he claimed to be an avtar of shiva.

He did not get Himself killed and end up cursing anyone like what Jesus did. You can clearly see the different mentality of a Divine Being and a Stupid Being here.

Jesus christ didnt curse anyone .How can you use such harsh words.Go and read the bible.

So now even Sai Baba and Swami Narayan are avatars according to Sant. This just gets better and better.

So do you have a proble.Just look at the amount of people praying to shirdi sai baba.Are you challenging their faith.He must be some avtar.You dont how many sai devotees where baba has come to save them personally.

You can pray to god for whatever to want but since you wanted some mantraor solution without saying demigod or god take this .

http://www.shanidham.in/mysolution.php?catcode=2

here hes given other solution also for business but cant find them now.

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 9.23

ye 'py anya-devatā-bhaktā

yajante śraddhayānvitāḥ

te 'pi mām eva kaunteya

yajanty avidhi-pūrvakam

SYNONYMS

ye — those who; api — also; anya — of other; devatā — gods; bhaktāḥ — devotees; yajante — worship; śraddhayā anvitāḥ — with faith; te — they; api — also; mām — Me; eva — only; kaunteya — O son of Kuntī; yajanti — they worship; avidhi-pūrvakam — in a wrong way.

TRANSLATION

Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kuntī, but they do so in a wrong way.

PURPORT

"Persons who are engaged in the worship of demigods are not very intelligent, although such worship is offered to Me indirectly," Kṛṣṇa says. For example, when a man pours water on the leaves and branches of a tree without pouring water on the root, he does so without sufficient knowledge or without observing regulative principles. Similarly, the process of rendering service to different parts of the body is to supply food to the stomach. The demigods are, so to speak, different officers and directors in the government of the Supreme Lord. One has to follow the laws made by the government, not by the officers or directors. Similarly, everyone is to offer his worship to the Supreme Lord only. That will automatically satisfy the different officers and directors of the Lord. The officers and directors are engaged as representatives of the government, and to offer some bribe to the officers and directors is illegal. This is stated here as avidhi-pūrvakam. In other words, Kṛṣṇa does not approve the unnecessary worship of the demigods.

Well not every statement should require such a detailed explanation. If that were the case every post here would become a small book.

 

Krishna speaks in the gita that those who worship the demi-gods are really worshipping Him in a wrong way as ultimately He is the only grantor of boons.

 

We all need to be educated that as parts and parcels of Krishna our birthright is that we have a direct access to the Supreme Father to ask for anything.

 

We don't need priests to talk to God for us nor do we need demigods to provide shelter from the storms of life. Referrence krishna lifting Govardhana Hill to protect His devotees from Indra's wrath.

 

Only Krishna is our shelter, protector and provider.

Ofcourse i know but when you said that you cant have any demigod before krishna raghu ji had posted the nectar of devotion part.I told him its adonre in a ritualistic way for ritualistic poojas but he was stuck on the words you said-'you cant have any other demigod before krishna'

this was taken in the literal sense by raghu and his base for saying it was actually right in a way if you take these lines only.But you later did tell about the money part in the same line which shows which context you were talking and why you said it in your discussion with chandu.