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What is Revelation? Promised Messiah explains.........peaceful Muslim

Well that was exhausting. The question was directed to you and needed a reply of you experience. Many quotations also can be made from smritis which is related to inner voice. But that seems irrelevent to the questioner. Paarsurrey.. dont you hear an inner voice at all? If yes, what is your experience? Share it.

Anyway, why would a inner conscious (voice) play a part in judgement?

 

A Samurai/Cricket Batter/Football Goal-keeper/Security Guard/Baby-sitter/Cashier/Race-Car Driver/Fashion Photographer/Referee/Boxer/Tour-Bus Driver/School Crossing Guard/Beach Life-Guard/Tennis Tournament Ball-retriver/Olympic Athlete/Professional Gymnast/Professional Musician/Professional Dancer ---all respond in the wink-of-an-eye!

 

Their training allows for their instant judgement to act instinctually without distractions --their training rewards them with the ability to discard mental distractions and focus and thus keep their Eye on the Prise.

Just Superbly put in words. Inner Conscience do not play a part in Judgement coz again the Karma Siddhanta goes for a toss and indeed constant training of the mind helps it to attune or distinguish and listen to ones conscience.

but that knowledge is not fabricated by the guru, the guru receives that knowledge and his duty is to share it, one should not worship the guru for this because all is arranged by God, if you receive this knowledge is thanks to God, not the physical person acting as guru.

From where did the Guru get his knowledge? His Guru....and the tree goes on. It is believed that the knowledge of God flows through this tree. Now, coming to your Guru, he is infact a physical person. But you will agree God has chosen him to flow HIS knowledge to you through that Guru. Hence the guru qualifies to be the chosen one from God himself. That reverence turns into worshipfulness and nothing questionable.

the guruparampara is arranged by the Lord, for example when this guru system is broken He will re-establish it, but this depend in the Lord not the gurus

Anything arranged by the lord cannot be broken. It is just establishing and no question of re-establishing. If something can be broken, then he is not God.

for example even before the battle of Kuruksetra all the people in the war -except the pandavas- were already death Arjuna just fight, at the begining Arjuna didn't want to fight, but this didn't depend in the result of the war, also Srila Prabhupada came to the west with the gaudiya vaishnavism (with his own additions), all people praise Prabhupada for his work, but his work was the arrangement of Krsna, if prabhupada had not arrived to the west that means that no one today could know the gaudiya vaishnavism? NO! I am 100% sure that the Lord would sent another person. Again one should respect the representative of God, but no fall in love with them make them the life and soul of oneself, the savior and or worship them as God.

So you believe that there is a meaning to everything. Even somethings which seems to look meaningless at times derives meaning when the right chord is struck at the right time. Everything that happens, happens for good. You and I can just question it or refute among us.

i would like to know if anyone has a link were i could get the mantra, were it starts of guru bramha guru vishnu guru devo maheswara, on audio. if its possiable the whole mantra and whats the name of this mantra and its tranlation, i remember saying this mantra in temple but i cant understand hindi so i never knew what it meant, but i always remembered feeling how important this mantra was cause it was always chanted in temple.....some one please help me out

Video : http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=V1yggQOK1os

Audio : http://www.astrojyoti.com/vandanatrayeemp3list.htm

In the second link you have the transliteration also.

Guru is like a guide, a link between an individual and the almighty who cannot be replaced for sure but if there’s an individual who gets himself worshiped in the name of GOD then am sorry he’s not genuine.

Nicely quoted. A guru is like a bridge who can be a path to the almighty. You can go and come in that path but not build a house on it. But the institutional gurus of the present era first asks the seeker to build a house on the bridge thereby blocking the seeker in his path. The seeker is stuck in the beliefs of the guru and not go beyond it. In this case he is not a guide but a hindrance.

Why guru worship?

Coz you derive that knowledge which comes with you even after you die.

So called gurus say that one should worship them, why? even if they are genuine gurus why one should worship them?

Why not? The guru parampara is very ancient. Without it, we wouldnt have derived any knowledge.

For example no one in the hare krsnas' sampradaya was worshipped like Srila Prabhupada, why I should worship him?

If you havent gained any spiritual knowledge from SP or anybody dont worship. But when you gain that knowledge you reverence to the one from whom you gained it will turn to worshipfulness. To understand better, it can be said 'The best Payback'.

really I think that this is idolatry and is harmful for the spiritual life,

Do not come to conclusions without experiencing anything.

Yesterday i was talking with a devote and I said him really I dont like your guru, I think that he is responsible for the actual situation in the movement and I think that the temple president is just a victim (talking about some issues in a non iskcon local temple) then he wanted to beat me! just see how fanatics are guru worshippers! if you say something against them you are an envious demon a rascal!

You need not generalise your personal experience. It doesnt apply to all. Well, eventhough personally I do not revere the ISKONites, I do believe that there are many many pure gems within it. Look, they believe in something formulated by their guru. Do you believe in something better or know better, you can always contradict. Contradiction without reason or logic is the height of foolishness.

why one should worship the guru if he is not god just his representative (so called)?

Coz you and I are not even that what he is. We should believe that he is better qualified than us to take us towards what he knows best.

It is said that you should listen to your consicence - also called as the inner voice, the voice of God.

 

But often there are so many voices inside our head. One says - do this. Another says - do that. More than one of these seem to be correct.

 

So, how do you know which of these voices is the voice of conscience?

Whenever you are dealing with a situation, as Bhaktjan said, your own Intelligence speaks first. If your Intelligence is in tune with the conscience, you do not hear a second voice or in other words you do not give a second thought. But, if the result of your Intelligence is not approved by your conscience, you hear a second voice (many a times people say to give you a second thought refering to listen to your conscience). In such a situation of dilemma, always the second voice is known to be the voice of conscience. It is upto the mind to listen either to the voice of the Intelligence or to the voice of the conscience.

Coming to the point of many voices, it is the serial of logics that your mind creates to overcome any situation. In such cases you hear many voices. But here too, any situation will be dealt with basically two parameters ie., either a yes or a no. Do or dont.

Now, compare this to what Bhaktjan has said. For a change, I completely agree to his points. It is true and perfect.

.......Being a Pseudo Vaishnava it is YOU who should stay away from our Krishna....

 

Is this what your seers taught you? My Krishna. His Krishna, Your Krishna, Our Krishna etc., man... if yes, bring your Guru first to this forum. I think his lessons are incomplete. If No, you are undeserved to be calling yourself a Vaishnava. Understand the meaning of 'Sarva deva Namaskara, Keshavam prati Gachchati'

See who came to his diffence. A advaidin ( mayavadai) . Am I not right about his rubbing shoulders with Mayavadis?

 

Is he tyrying to evolve? This is your notion of evolution? From Krishna bhakti to advida nonsense ? He is regressing .

It is the same nonsense(what you say) was taught by Krishna to Uddhav. Accept it.

Advida and Mayavada are anti-Vaishnavaite foolish dogmas. I dont have to educate you about it .

Instead of saying so, just say, you dont know anything about Advaita.

There are enough Vaishnavas posted enough material on this. Go and read them. Learn what is Vaishnava Dharma is all about. You will know that what I have said has everything to do with Vaishnava Dharma.

Tell me, who formulated your so called "Vaishnava Dharma". You people put yourself a border around you and call it Vaishnava Dharma. Do you know who is the greatest Vaishnava? It is Lord Shiva and guys like you keep loading tons of anti-Shiva material (thanks to the highest contributor Bhaktjan). What can a Vaishnava know without knowing himself first?

Vaishnavism is all about setting your belief on Vishnu and not being Anti-XYZ. Such attitude of selected Vaishnavas are killing true Vaishnavism. This also holds good in case of Shaivism. And, if you really want a lesson or two about Advaita and oblivion of yourself, many of us are ready to make you realize who you are. If you are happy with your aggesive pampering, so be it.

And Sarah Palin and John McCain and Barak Obama...and quoting Srila Prabhupada to mandate what is best for America. What to say?

Simple. Win the Votes of the Minority Community.

You are talking in double tongue. With Vaishnavite members you talk Krishna bhakti. With a mavavadi you support in mayavada. Are You a Vishnava or a Mayavadi, pretending to be a Vishnava to disgrace Vaishnava dharma?

Whats your problem if a person is trying to evolve? Its just that you didnt get his point. He finds Krishna in all. Now tell me 'Is this Duality or Mayavada?', has it got to do anything with the tags Vaishnavite or something else. With regret I should say that it just shows your narrow bent of mind.

I envy you mate, ya must have the best stash of primo contraband --it shows, yes I mean it does shows--wink wink say no more, say no more. Know what I mean? Know what I mean?.

 

You're sooo cute Sri Sri ji! When your tripping.

Yeah, only we know each other better and contradict and follow one another so religiously almost in all threads.

Too bad about your problem handling the Truth and how you don't except Vyasadeva's recitations & Ganapati's handwritting compilation of the history of the great ancestry of Bharata going back to Maha-Pita-ma Prajapati Sri Brahma Deva-ji, replete with an extensive family lineage of both the Raghu & Soma Vamshas.

I have also given my reasons for not accepting in the thread 'Listening to the name of Lord in the lips of Mayavadis' and had a fair debate with DW. As a refresher for those who came in late, i said 'A single quote from Bhagavatam which is worshipped so dearly by the Vaishnavas finds no mention both in the works of Sri Adi Shankara and Sri Ramanujacharya. So, its existance in that period is questionable. But suddenly from nowhere it was all Bhagavatam in the period of Madhvacharya whose Dvaita philosophy finds respect only in parts of Karnataka confined mostly to the Kanara region.'

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1)--HEY EVERYBODY,

I HAVE NOT SAID A SINGLE BAD THING ABOUT LORD SHIVA, NEVER!!!

 

I CHALLENDGE YOU TO FIND A SUCH A STATEMENT ANYWHERE ON THIS FORUM!!!

Who started the thread 'This Shiva is a Bogus Demigod'

2)--Post Lord Shiva's Glories!

Show me the Nectar!

Where's the nectar?

If you don't --you again leave it to me to share Lord Shiva's Glories with my Fellow Vaishnavas.

Nectar is in the panchakshari 'Om Namah Shivayah'. I have shown it. Try it. Nectar is in your Atma. Find its definition. It says 'Shivam Shantam Advaitam Chaturtamanyante Sa Atma Sabigyeyah'. It means any being is not devoid of Shivam.

"People" --What do you know about people?

Billions of wars are fought and only the leaders are required to win by statergy.

You admit that you are fighting a war with a leader in SP.

Only the winners will atone for their sins by the end of the day.

This looks like a Jehadis words.

I am going through a phase where to whom should I trust n to whom not is the biggest question in my life. My mind is continously thing about the same things n that is why I can't make proper step todays my goal, then at this time what a person should do when the problem is emotional one.

Please guide me what n how should I behave so the is doen't affect my peronality.

Trust in yourself. The rest will follow. Be a guide to your mind and not guided by it. If your problem is an emotional one, the best way is to solve it so that it becomes a stepping stone for your future load of things to come. If it is something which is out of your reach of action, ignore it and dont spoil your life by pondering over a lost cause. The Best is yet to come. Always believe that 'Everything that Happens, Happens for Good'. It may reflect not right at that moment but definitely in the unknown future.

Ramakrishna paramhamsha,formulated the theory of 'yato mat tato mat' , which means that there are numerous views reguarding the truth(god) and all of them are like different path ways to reach him.According to this veiw if any individual confidently believes in his own path and treads it with perfect purity and sincerity he can attain the truth.This is essentially a typicall advaitic concept which have been indicated by ancient Indian sages like Sankracharya,when he wrote numerous hyms and praises to various deities,but with same respect.But Ramakrishna was first to publicly preach such a concept.

To my knowledge Ramakrishna Paramahans did not 'Preach' anything publicly. His followers did.

When Ramakrishna appeared hinduism was in an advanced state of decay.

There was Shirdi Sai Baba, Ramana Maharshi, Nrisimha Bharati of Sringeri Mutt and many more. So Hinduism was not at decay. It would have been in Bengal which is even today suffering from decay of Spitiruality.

Internal strifes and numerous sects had destroyed its structure,the advaantage of which were being reaped by the christian missionaries.At this crucial juncture he came forward to harmonise all major religions through this theory.Incidentally he was the first man to speak of religious tolerance and universal truth of all major faiths in the world.Later this thought inspired numerous intellectuals of the world like Rabindranath Tagore ,Romain rolland ,Max muller etc.

All this is confined to Bengal region and not the Akhand Bharat of that time. Maximum of the Missionary activity took place only in the Coastal areas. Debendranath Tagore was a much more profound patriot and a spiritual master than his son who wrote the 'Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka' in praise of an Englishman and unfortunately our National Anthem.

In this age of religious intolerance it is highly advisable to mould our lives as per his instructions.Many hindu sects have disrespect for his noble thoughts and publicly deride himTo such ignorant people i would like to ask one question....if you do not belive in yato mat tato pat whats your belief? Is it one mat only path or something like that ?? Does it imply that except the ones following your path the rest are suppossed to rot in hell?????

'Yato Mat, Tato Pat' was not only Sri Ramakrishnas belief but any individual who can visualise the world on a common platform. The common tendency of the Human Mind is to project itself superior from the rest. People who suffer from this tendancy act like Missionaries whose sole aim is to bring others to their path and believe in all ways of 'Sam, Bhed and Dand' in case of recently rediscovered Hindus and Darul Haram, Darul Aman and Darul Islam in case of Muslims and sentimental exploitation by the Christians like Healing/Prayer Ceremony etc. This is a common factor of all religions headed by Narrow Minded People.

I already have Bhagavad Gita As It Is, but I want to know if there is another good edition out there. Would really appreciate it. Thanks.

Just read the Bhagavad Gita in its original form (not translation but read the transliteration) again and again. You yourself will be the best translator each time you go through it. What others tell may not be convincing to you but when you find the answers for yourself, it will be more convincing.

Supreme god father says,....

Who is it? When did he say it and to whom?

I am called by many names shiva,Jehovah,God,Allah..

You have built temples,churches and mosques for me.

You have searched for me in piligramages and mountains but you

couldn't see me with those eye's.

People have seen them as Shiva, Jehovah, God and Allah as you have already said.

My form is of divine light like a shining star.

I reside in a world far beyond this material universe .

No use of that 'I' who reside far from 'You'

You too used to reside with me in that supreme abode of

timeless peace.

God resides within all. Not used to reside... always for all of us. If your God resides far from you, how do you know him?

Your form is also like mine subtle,eternal and divine.

you come on to this stage to play your part through the body.

Perfect.

When this drama comes to an end you come to the supreme abode

with me.Whilst playing your part,you lose yourself in the

play.you forget me ,you forget your home.

In Gods prescence if you can forget him, then He is not God. Just an other entity who doesnt care.

I incarnate once every cycle of this human play to free

you from the strings of attachment and ignorance.

So that you need not do anything and become lazy till he comes.

Dearest One, no abuse meant to your feelings. The cycle of Karma that you carry from this incarnation to your next is entirely dependent on what you do now. The above looks like the Christian Missionary words who say that all Christians after death will be sent to the abode of God via the savior Jesus Christ. Cheers.

yes, I am a fool and thus I must quote from the authorty of an Acarya (bonefide Guru spiritual master) --so any opinion of mine that I have shared with you comes from the Brahma-Madhva-Chaitanya-Sampradaya.

Thanks for keeping your routine work going. It would have been better if you would have told 'Authority of an Acharya who doesnt respect Advaita, Doesnt respect Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma but know only how to hate the non-ISKCONites and non Vaishnavas'.

Academically I must seek to know who translated [from the sanskrit, tamil etc] the sastra that You are quoting?

It was Agastya Muni who was the founder of Tamil Language who is reveredly called Agastyar by revered Tamilians.

Our knowledge is based upon whom did we recieve it from?

Now you know from whom did the Tamilians received the Rudra/Shiva Gyan. Not from SP. But his great great grand guru.

How can anyone understand the mysterious statements of the Vedas [Rg, atharva etc] without knowing the pastimes of all the great personalities of the Raghu and Indu Dynasties since Brahma's birth?

Pastimes and playtimes are for kids and for those who think with the Mind. The pastimes and playtimes are intended 'Always' to pacify the mind.

An interpreter of the cyptic verses of the Rg Veda are meant for artha, Kama & Dharma only.

That was a lovely quote. Thanks.

Mukunda's face is Krishna's face--and even in Krishna's pastimes the world stage was eager to fight with him directly--so we are in training for our part in future advents when sides will be drawn and amrita-Rasa will rain hard upon all equally-- yet some will take shelter while other will run like mad.

Your Krishna bhakti is indeed unquestionable. The only questionable aspect is your attitude to question the Shiva Bhakti. At some point, you devoted your life of Sri Krishna Bhakti, the same way, the others have a choice to be devoted to Shiva. When you search in the Vedas for the meaning of Atma, the only definition of Atma is 'Shivam Shantam Advaitam Chathurtam Manyante Sa Atma Sabigyeyah'. If you believe that you have an Atma, you are indeed Shiva himself. That is the reason why you believe that you are a staunch Vaishnava.

i feel that the idea of preaching is actually a idea of hatred.for you cannot 'preach' unless you hate all other paths and convince yourself that yours is the only path.one should sing praises of his lord or glorify him,but why 'preaching'?? isn't it very similar to those colonial christian missionaries who came to india to deliver the infidels?isnt it all about showing absolute disrespect about all other beliefs?one should expose his beliefs before everyone,so that anyone interested might follow,but why impose it??

I have got the previlige of reading all the feedbacks regarding Preaching. Preaching in itself means trying to bring the other to your level. That means to say that when a man feels that he "knows all" his overconfidence makes him to preach so that he will be in a position to counterlogify the other beliefs and make others believe that his path is the only way. This is not called Intelligence but height of foolishness in the spiritual circles.

The Muhammadis(Prophet Muhammed), The Christians(Jesus Christ), The Buddhists(Gautam Buddha), Jews(Zarathustra) etc had only One Origin as their Base. That was their Preacher. That is the reason why Preaching was more necessary to them. That is the sole reason why Hinduism do not believe in Preaching. But offlate, religious gurus have started preaching like the Sai Baba of Puttaparthi, the Kalki Cult and many more.

The ISKCONites believe in copying a Prabhupada by just imitating his every step. They believe more in becoming other than being themselves. Again, its the belief in a Preacher.

the story of Ajamila is much more complex than that. he was a good brahmana by nature, who by a force of circumstances became degraded to a level of a common thief. Earlier in life he performed plenty of good deeds and naming his son Narayan was hardly accidental as he had attachment for that sound vibration and what it represented. Thus he got a second chance at the time of death, he got to see the Yamadutas and Vishnudutas side by side, arguing about his fate. That was an important lesson for him. It is important to note that Ajamila did not die at that time, and later led exemplary life, atoning for his sins. He was taken to Vaikuntha only after he became properly qualified, not because he accidentally chanted the Holy Name.

The Story of Ajamila is a goofed up story to glorify the strength of the name of Lord Vishnu. If that is the case, the Karma-Siddhanta goes for a toss. The fruit of Karma has to be cherished by any individual on this earth. Even Rama(believed to be the avatar of Lord Vishnu himself) cherished the Karma of killing Vali in the Krishnavatar. If any Brahmana who is indulged in the Karma of a Killer which gives the qualification of Brahmahatya to him can just go scot free by accidently uttering(not chanting) a name which again accidently was the name of the Lord, it is hard to believe. If in the earlier life he had done many good deeds, he would have ended up in good Karmas in the present life according to Karma-Siddhanta where as here it is totally opposite. This is a total bogged up story of Chandamama.

Dear Amlesh,Avinash, Bart, Bija, Justin, Jeffster, Radhamukunda, Kaisersose, Ravindran, Dark Warrior, Suchandra, Ramana Dasi, Radhika Kulkarni and last but not the least, my favorite Old Buddy Bhaktjan,

It was a pleasurable journey with all of you people. I am on a long vacation and may or maynot be available for a period of time. Anyway, I enjoyed the company of so many seekers of Truth and eventhough we had many heated arguements, the love in our hearts for one another grew so much. In my case, it was especially for Bija. A nice party to be a part of. I thank the Administrator to have allowed to air the differences so freely on debate. I can with my experience tell that this is the only forum where there are so many knowledgeable people or people who are striving for knowledge instead of bluntly posting some website content and gather opinion which has mostly been the case of other forums which pose to be world forums.

I cannot wish anything coz I know only Happy People can be the members of this forum but to be more formal 'Happy Soul Searching..'

[i suppose that you MEANT where is the "Bhaja-Govinda" --but Krishna says not to disturb your mind.

Where is Sripad Shankaracarya's famous moment of death recorded--you mean after all the postings under this Topic, you don't have his biography at your finger tips; and so, you ask me to do further work. Haven't I accused you of throwing mud without stating proof of yourown scholarship?]

 

[Look at what I plagerized:

"Sri Krishna teaches Advaita philosophy in Srimad Bhavavatam 11.28.19"]

 

[be a Man!]

 

[Ma Sucah! I'll shave your head--and I'll leave a nice sikha.]

 

Hmm.. first of all where were you when the debate of Bhaja Govindam started? You just come in the middle, meddle and watch the fun. And dear, everyone in this forum knows who enjoys bad language and have a heart full of hatred.

Learn to love. Only then you will be a man and have the manhood to overcome such language and not with mere strength of bad language. Ramanadasi, DW, Bija, Amlesh, Justin, Jeffster....how many of the staunch Vaishnavas? Did they ever use such words like you have done against Ramanadasi? Why dont you learn from your brothers atleast a little.I repeat, dont ever use foul language with your sisters.. never.

Shave my head? Have you tried it on yourself? I have lived like that for almost 8 years now. If you are so willing to be my barber, you are welcome.

Unfortunately so, I have to address you in personal here dear Bhaktjan. I apologize to the others for diviating from the flavor of the thread.

O.K. then, chant a variety of bhajans. "Variety is the spice of life."jeffster/AMdas

Cheers mate. There you are.

Amazing! You might have got this sixth sense because of your meditation!

Thats the reason I told that 'If you are adament on staying with the bhajan culture believing that there is nothing above it, its your choice'. So be it. And moreover no sixth sense is needed for common sense. That was a simple, general analysis.

Please let me clarify the meaning of my post # 363. It was not that Sri Adi Sankara had regretted anything in his life and then turned to Govinda on his deathbed as some kind of change of heart. in fact, I believe that he factually knew that the Krishna conception was the most complete conception of divinity.

Whatever you think, is right for you.

But he could not preach that to his disciples because they could not or would not accept it. Preaching must be according to time, place, circumstance and the mentality of those being preached to. It was this charade that he tired of, that he couldn't preach all that he was capable of teaching, the full measure of theism, so he finally told his disciples that they were fools and rascals and should simply "Bhaja Govindam."

Oh yeah, nice student to a great guru.

Srikanth, the fact that Sankaracharya composed the poem "Bhaja Govindam" upon meeting the grammaratician (grammarian ?) is proof of the depth of his realization.

Whatever you think is right for you.

And in your post # 365, Srikanth, you state that if we repeatedly chant bhajans, "the tendency of the mind to enjoy will not grow more and more. In fact it becomes less and less." Actually, when chanting bhajans or in kirtan we can, and often do, go on for hours without wearying of it. The kirtan or bhajan IS the meditation. No difference between God and His Holy Names. It becomes a form of divine communion. This would not be possible if these Names were mundane. We would tire of the sound and become bored and quit.

Pranams,

jeffster/AMdas

Read again. Again I repeat,

1. Take a favorite bhajan of your choice.

2. Sing the same bhajan for just 10 times. Your enjoyment the 10th time with not be the same of the 1st time. Why? If it were God, then why do you get lesser enjoyment the 10th time and not multiplied by 10.

Try Meditation. It is practical experience. The more you are into it. The more you gain. Try. No harm. Only gain. But if you are adament to cling to your Bhajans, All the best.