RadhaMukunda

Impressive.

Why don't you respond to my arguments? Because, they are bullshit.

He might understand it in an encrypted messages.

We are here talking about sprituality and he is quoting american popstars.

I used this thread to up my postcount so I can post links and pictures. The messages can be removed if necessary.

You are right about haraa and hare, but I think hari fits the context of the kalisantaropanishad better. The name haraa is not used as much as hara and hari. It's less likely that hare indicates haraa in the mantra. But if that's your "bhaava" during the chanting, then the meaning can change.

That shloka you often chant is also part of the saptashloki durga. It's very beneficial to chant these together.

http://www.raaga.com/channels/sanskrit/moviedetail.asp?mid=S0000179

GYaaninaamapi chetaa.nsi devii bhagavatii hi saa .

balaadaakR^iShya mohaaya mahaamaayaa prayachChati .. 1..

durge smR^itaa harasi bhiitimasheShajantoH

svasthaiH smR^itaa matimatiiva shubhaaM dadaasi .

daaridryaduHkhabhayahaariNi kaa tvadanyaa

sarvopakaarakaraNaaya sadaardra chittaa .. 2..

sarva ma.ngala maa.ngalye shive sarvaartha saadhike .

sharaNye tryambake gauri naaraayaNi namo.astu te .. 3..

sharaNaagatadiinaartaparitraaNaparaayaNe .

sarvasyaartihare devi naaraayaNi namo.astu te .. 4..

sarvasvaruupe sarveshe sarvashakti samanvite .

bhayebhyastraahi no devii durge devii namo.astu te .. 5..

rogaanasheShaanapaha.nsi tuShTaa ruShTaa tu kaamaan.h sakalaanabhiiShTaan.h .

tvaamaashritaanaaM na vipannaraaNaaM tvaamaashritaa hyaashrayataaM prayaanti .. 6..

sarvaabaadhaaprashamanaM trailokyasyaakhileshvari .

evameva tvayaa kaaryamasmadvairi vinaashanam.h .. 7..

No, Brahma is supreme.

I will look at the Shiva is demigod thread.

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/446416-lord-shiva-demi-god.html

Are you denying the authority of the Shiva Purana, Vishnu Purana, the Markandeya Purana etc? The Padma Purana is not the only one. I know Shankara commented on the Vishnu Sahasranama. He also wrote the Shivananda and Saundarya Lahari.

Saguna Brahma can take many forms. Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha Vadanti.

Matsya, Kurma, Varaha, NaraSinga, ParashuRama, Rama, KRishna, Budha, Kalki

or Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu, Ganesha, Aditya, Gauri, Laxmi, Parwati.

Correction. Sri Ramanuja and Sri Madhva attacked the philosophy of Advaita. This is not related to the Supremacy of Vishnu at all. Advaitins, VA and Dvaitins during those times were agreed on one point - that Hari is Supreme.

No advaitin would ever say Vishnu is not supreme, or that Shiva is not supreme, or that Durga is not supreme.

There have been interpolations in the Padma Purana, but those are made by Vaishnavas. The original padma purana also contains the Shiva gita which was removed from the Purana by vaishnava scholars.

What you are saying about Shankara is just fantasising. The reason so many Vaishnavas made commentaries on the Brahma sutra is because they took offence in Shankara's commentary.

Anyone considering Shiva to be a Jivatma or not really brahman can only be an impure Vaishnava or neo-vaishnava.

I also don't have interest in debating on Vishnu and Shiva. It actually bothers me to read what some people write on this forum on this topic. What are the other offences of chanting the holy name? If I am right in some vaishnava sampradaya it is considered offensive to believe in mayavada, or to believe Shiva to be Paramatman. I think this is causing all the fighting on the forum between Shaivas and Vaishnavas.

I also consider myself to be a devotee of Shri Krishna. Allthough I am not claiming to be as pure as great saints like Meera Bai, TulsiDasa, Surdasa. But I don't see it as an offence to chant God's name while being imperfect. The story of Ajamila explains everything. Considering pronouncing the holy name an offence is a Christian and Jewish thing, not Hindu. Not long ago there was a large campaign in the Netherlands to make people aware not to say biblical names, like Jesus or Christ, during the day.

You are blessed to have met a great devotee like Amma. We are all devotees of the same brahman. I didn't meant to attack anyone personally, I sometimes get a little annoyed reading some messages.

1.Are offenders to the holy name pure Vaisnavas?

Persons who commit offense against the holy name are never pure Vaisnavas; thus, Srlman Mahaprabhu has distinguished them by saying that they are not pure Vaisnavas but are like Vaisnavas. (Sajjana-tosani 8/9)

Impure Vaishnavas are only those who see difference in Shiva and Vishnu. Those are not accepted as Bhaktas by Vishnu according to the padma purana. Meaning that most people in lineage of Madhvacharya or Ramanujacharya can not be considered real Vaishnavas.

Yes, Shankaracharya was a Vaishnava. But Ramanuja was not. Madhvacharya was not. Chaitanya was not. Srila Prabhupada was not.

Shankaracharya was also a Shaiva, a Shakta etc.

You always post other people's writings. It looks like you can't think for yourself. Anything you've written yourself didn't make sense.

You people are so confused.

http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/adityahriday.pdf

Go to Raaga.com and musicindiaonline.com for audio files.

This stotra can be chanted every morning or every Sunday morning.

That's good, RadheyRadhey108. I mentioned it to prevent people from using quotes from their own acharyas to support their own arguments. But if you want to point something out in a scripture in which your opponent or your opponent's Acharya has faith, that's fine. The Radha Sahasranama is from the Narada Pancharatna, if I am right?

You made a very good point. In Shakta worship there is no debate on the same Shakti, ParaBrahma taking different forms. Like Maha Laxmi, Maha Saraswati and Maha Kali. Or like the nine forms of Durga and the dasha Maha Vidyaas. Furthermore, even the male devatas like brahma, rudra, vishnu, varuna etc are forms of Durga according the Devi Sukta from the Rigveda.

In the Brahmaanda Purana it is mentioned how all the gods sactificed their own body the sacred fire and later reappeared from the body of Lalita Devi. In the Markandeya Purana it is mentioned how a divine glow appeared from the all the devatas. That divine glow took the form of Durga. The essence of these stories is that there is one Brahman who takes many forms.

This rendering of the stotra is truly divine:

http://www.kannadaaudio.com/Songs/Devotional/home/BelluruSisters.php

Princegoutham and Bhaktajan, I am new on this forum and have been browsing through the messages. It seems that everywhere you two post the same old message praising either Shiva (PrinceGoutham) or Vishnu (Bhaktajan) as the Supreme God, while disrespecting the other one.

I don't see how it is usefull to paste the same post in every thread. Therefore I open this thread where I challenge you both to debate your position on Shankara and Narayana. Everyone else is also allowed to join the debate.

bhaktajan and princegoutham, please defend your views with logic and quotations from the Vedas and Puranas. These shastras are regarded as authoritive by both vaishnavas and Shaivas. Let's limit us to these Shastra's. Quotations from Acharyas are not regarded as Shastra here.

*The four vedas:

_Rigveda (Mantra Samhitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads)

_Yajurveda (Mantra Samhitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads)

_Samaveda (Mantra Samhitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads)

_Atharvaveda (Mantra Samhitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads)

*The fifth Veda (Itihasa-Purana)

The Eighteen Maha Puranas:

_Brahma Purana

_Padma Purana

_vishnu purana

_Skanda Purana

_Shiva Maha-Purana

_Vamana Purana

_Markandeya Purana

_Varaha Purana

_Brahma Vaivart Purana

_Agni Purana

_Bhavishya Purana

_Kurma Purana

_Matsya Purana

_Garuda Purana

_Brahmananda Purana

_Shrimad Bhagavata Purana

_Linga Purana

_MahaBharata (Bhagavat Gita)

_Valmiki Ramayana

*Bhaktajan, vaishnava, consideres Vishnu/ Krishna to be the Supreme God and separate from all other gods in Hinduism

*Princegoutham, Shaiva, consideres Shiva to be the Supreme God and separate from all other gods in Hinduism

I open this debate because it's a shame the entire forum is consumed with these posts. Also, I hope we can bring some readers to their senses about the oneness of Vishnu and Shiva or any other Hindu God. It also pains to read all the ignorant messages on this forum.

Shivaya VishnuRupaya Vishnave Shiva Rupine

Shivaya Hridaye Vishnur Vishnoscha Hridaye Shiva

(padma purana)

Let's for once and for all start this debate without deverting to other topics.

Dear RadhaMukund,

 

Above all dont even say that Vishnu is a jiva like other devtas.

 

Pranaam

I was not serious. I am making fun of this stupid debate on wether Vishnu is God or wether Shiva is God.

I am only talking in the language of Bhaktajan and princegaotham. I hope you understand that Shaivas

will also be offended if call Bhagavaan Shankara, who is equal to Narayana in all aspects, a Jiva Tatva.

The brahma samhita is not an authoritive work in Hinduism. So please don't quote the offensive comparisan with milk and yogurt.

That's not the view of the puranas.

Jay Brahma!!!

Jay Brahma!!!

Jay Brahma!!!

He Sharada, Brahma Ji ka Bhakti Do.

Vani Hiranyagrabhabhyaam Namah