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And yes me including all my family member actively fought to keep the Manor open funny it was also fought under the Hindu banner.
If the western Vaishnavas called themselves Hindus the Hindus would object to that.
If the western Vaishnvas say that they are not Hindus the Hindus object to that.
So, there is no way that the western Vaishnavas can satisfy the Hindus, so what is the use in trying?
Do all Vaishnavas have to be Hindus?
Does a Vaishnava have to classify himself in one big lump with the KAli worshipers and the Mayavadis?
Western Vaishnavas aren't in the big lump you call Hinduism.
All the western Vaishnavas follow the great acharyas of India and the Indian scriptures, but the Hindus get all bent out of shape because the western Vaishnavas don't accept one big all-encompassing designation with all the polytheists in India.
Why should Vaishnavism be lumped into a group with Kali worshipers, Shaivas and Mayavadis?
Some modern thinkers FROM INDIA have objected that that.
That idea was NOT invented by western Vaishnavas, but became a popular theme with many Indians during Gandhi's independence movement.
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Guruvani, large-font pontification.
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How about the large picture pontification in the first post of the topic?
Now, some Jew named "Nikodemus" has become compared to Sri Chaitanya.
Where will all this sentimental nonsense end?
JEEEZIS............ gimme a break.
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Guruvani, you spend much time here wasting bandwidth with your continual large-font pontification and criticism of others.
This is not becoming behavior for a senior devotee such as yourself.
large font?
man, don't blame me for what that other person does.
where is my LARGE FONT pontification?
You obviously have jumped in to pass judgement hastily and blame me for what others are doing.
If you are going to criticise me then fine, but don't blame me for what that other guy is doing.
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it's obvious from the topic of this thread that the person who started it was just begging for a quarrel with the Hare Krishnas on this forum.
The thread is not even a topic.
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It doesn't propose any question or any answers, its just a challenge for others to come and attack the subject matter.
What does the author attempt to accomplish with this topic?
What is his message?
What are we all supposed to learn from this topic?
It's obviously just a challenge to the majority of people on this forum who are Hare Krishnas.
the author just wanted to pick a fight.
otherwise, what is he trying to discuss?
did he really want to discuss anything or just cram Ganesh down the throats of the Hare Krishna devotees?
The author starts the topic with this challenge to pick a fight...
If you still feel that only Krsna is supreme and all other GODS are demigods then challenge it openly, don’t come under the disguise of a Hindu or a Hindu Website, there seems to be no relation between your concept and Hinduism.Advaitam and so many other concepts are merged with Hinduism where as Krsna movement has no acceptance of all that but conveniently use Hinduism and Hindus money,support when needed.
the whole topic was a fight from the beginning.
I don't know why the moderators didn't lock the topic from the onset.
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well, there are about three or four Jesus people in here always spouting off their sentiment, so I think that someone from the other side should be allowed to speak.
these Jesus people have been dominating this forum for years and I personally find it quite a distraction when people come to this forum to learn about Eastern philosophy.
You can hear about Jesus on many other forums.
This forum is from "INDIA DIVINE" and I think that the philosophies and religions of India should be the focus.
the Jesus people can find many Christian forums to go stroke each other with Christian sentiment.
This forum should offer something that you can't get from the Christian forums.
So, I have never been concerned to be a crowd pleaser.
There are so many sentimentalists around that somebody needs to stand up for transcendentalism and lead discussions away from this Jesus stuff that seems to crop up constantly.
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Yea right the Gaudiyas are the real knowers of Advaitavad LOL
What a freakin joke! Vedabasevadis know every religion better than anyone.
Vedabase?
As if I don't have access to Advaita Philosophy?
Try this on for size......
It's not hard to find out what the Mayavadis believe.
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad-phil.html
- "ayamAtmA brahma" (muNDaka)
- "tattvamasi" (chAndogya)
- "aham brahmAsmi" (bRhadAraNyaka)
- "prajnAnam brahma" (aitareya) -
Sorry no Pearls before Vedabasevadis
in other words, you don't have a clue what Advaita Vedanta is all about.
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the Christians believe that the body will be resurrected from the grave when Jesus returns to save the faithful.
talk about the bodily conception of life!
these people are so attached to the stool-bag that they want it to become eternal.
those people were whining over the death of the body.
Jesus was the body.
That is their faith system.
duh.....
what is wrong with this picture?
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In hinduism, there are many things that science can't proove and has prooven. Such as when we say trees are living, science proves that later on. Or about the bridge between india and sri lanka, science has been able to see that using sattelite systems. So from this, do you think that most facts in hinduism are going to be proven slowly by science as everything that hinduism says is true?
the latest thing the scientists are saying about the "bridge to Lanka" is that it is a natural formation and is not man made.
so, this is not a good example of science confirming shastra.
they have studied the "bridge" and concluded that it is a natural formation and could not have been built by man or gods.
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Hey Guruvani why don't you stop pissing on everyone elses realizations. You are truly a pain the ass. You are ruining every thread with you fat ass mouth. You are like a seventh grader who disrupts the class so no one can learn just to gain some attention even if it is for being a jerk.
You should be banned again until you can acquire some manners.
Sorry pal, but when you sentiment-vadis compare Mahaprabhu with the likes of Nikodemus somebody needs to intervene and stop the madness.
You Jesus whiners are always boring.
Why can't you talk philosophy instead of spouting off mundane sentiments in support of people in the bodily concept of life?
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This just shows your idiotic understanding of Advaitavad, not even close
you have no clue what you are talking about.
what does tat tvam asi mean?
this is the big Maha-vakya of the mayavadis.
It means:
Yes, they think that the jiva will become one with the supreme Brahman and in essence BECOME GOD.
You don't know Advaita siddhanta.
You are just a pretender.
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Your exposing yourself and your own motives here, any one who calls people names constantly and gets their jollies by 'winning' or 'defeating' others has some serious issues, like I said it's not about truth at all.
You don't have a life and cannot follow yourself, but still think your in a position to beat others over the head, just because you can quote from the vedabase.
Your actually 'abusing' Prabupadas words to gain ego stimulation, I'm sure he would not approve of your exploitation of his words at all.
then please defeat my views in a philosophical debate and I will be quite happy.
I am always eager to learn something higher, something deeper.
So, show me the way O Master and I will be glad to hear something besides mental midgets in here saying the Bhagavatam is full of bad information.
That I object to people degrading the Bhagavatam up against modern science is not a major ego problem as far as I am concerned.
I think the big egos are the ones that like to discredit the Bhagavatam because it doesn't fit into their empiric system of thinking.
I guess now a person is an ego maniac if he chooses not to insult the shastra because it doesn't correspond to modern science?
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Of course Mayavada is superior!
If you can become God rather than the servant of God isn't that better?
Actually, that is what monists think - that they will become God in their perfection.
They don't see it as merging as a spark of light into the brahmajyoti.
They think that their consciousness will become supreme consciousness and they will in fact become God like Siva is God.
That is where the saying "Shivoham" comes from.
Shivoham means "I am Siva".
These philosophers think they can become God.
So, of course they think that is superior to being the servant of God.
If you can become God isn't that better than being the little servant of God?
Unfortunately, they never become God.
They end up as trees reaching for the light for hundreds of years.
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This would be of course also sriman guruvani's wise wisdom to rectify the behaviour of Lord Caitanya,[url="http://www.vedabase.net/"]
Comparing Nikodemus with Lord Chaitanya?
See, that is why it is better to leave all these other religions out of a devotee's life.
When you mix and mingle religious sentiment you just become a sahajiya and start dragging Mahaprabhu down to the level of some Jewish fellow from out of the Bible.
I think these kinds of comparisons are pathetic.
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Seems your here to 'WIN' arguments and defeat people Gurunavi, I see this as a theme running through you posts a lot, where you say to people, "You can't defeat me" etc.
How childish, you use vedabase to try and perch yourself above others to gratify your own ego, it's not about defendinf Svami Prabupadas truth at all, your not doing him a service and I am positive you don't follow his practical instruction of chanting and sadhana in your daily life (what a hypocrite) (you obviously have some serious self-esteem issues) and just use his words to hammer on people to make yourself look important on a forum.
you guys are always blowing hot air, but you never have anything philosophical to say.
you just come in, post a few rants and then go back to your mundane pre-occupation.
obviously, your main interest in the forum is to snipe people who don't agree with you and accuse them of being arrogant.
I enjoy exposing these fraud philosophers.
Its a hobby of mine.
Sorry, I don't stroke your ego.
That is not my interest in forum discussions.
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Hey don't blame me if you don't like what your other head said. Just cut it off if you need to but leave me out of it.
all you have succeeded in doing is making hollow claims.
You haven't shown anything where I contradicted myself.
You are just pretending to do that without actually being able to and patting yourself on the back for doing nothing except fooling yourself.
"leave you out of it?"
You start an argument and then tell me to leave you out of it?
Leave yourself out of it.
Don't blame me when you start an argument that you can't win.
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this doesn't change the fact that Narada Muni preached the same way that Srila Prabhupada did.
Whether or not it is allegory is not the issue.
The point is that Srila Prabhupada preached the same way that we hear in the Bhagavatam.
Allegorical or not is not the issue at this point.
The point is that the preaching of Srila Prabhupada conforms to the message of the Bhagavatam and his disciples are following in his footsteps.
It not as simple as "falling from the tatastha".
The Bhagavatam doesn't really make it that cut and dry.
The whole issue of the fall of the jiva was not dealt with by Mahaprabhu as some simple idea that we all fell from the brahmajyoti.
Anyone that thinks so is full of themselves and has not studied the preaching of Mahaprabhu.
There is no hard and fast conclusion in the teachings of Mahaprabhu that the jiva just fell from the brahmajyoti.
If there is, then please show your evidence.
oh............... you can't find any?
I didn't think so.............
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Here is a link to a thread recently started by Guruvani about fables and allegories in the Bhagvatam and compare it to his rapid ravings on the same issue on this thread.
Obviously he is a greatly confused person, either suffering from mutiple personality disorder or just plan crazy.
duh...........
in your typical dull fashion you are misrepresenting everything.
I made it clear in that topic that only the things that the Bhagavatam says are allegorical are allegorical - not everything.
But, like a little rascal you are trying to abuse that topic to misrepresent my position to win an artificial victory in a debate you lost a long time ago.
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When Krishna speaks to His pure devotees and follows behind them in His Deity form isn't that PROOF?
did you see it yourself?
no.
so, why use that example?
has the deity ever followed you around?
no.
so, we are left with nothing but faith.
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"Picking and choosing which part of the Bhagavatam we accept is for infantile thinkers who are double-jointed and have managed to get their head stuck up in their organ of defacation."
Then the burden is upon those who say these wacky verses are real scripture to just prove it. No provoked pressure is intended. This is not like proving God's existence which is like Philosophy 201. Personally, I accept most of Krishna-lila in scripture as real pastimes. Personally again, when I read what is known now as Srimad Bhagavatam or many Vedic books it looks like a bundle of mixed hodge-podge of different books and offensive wacky tampered remarks. And there are books out that describe the interpolated history of the Vedas so yes there are scholars who know what I am saying.
my spiritual master accepted it, believed it and preached it.
That is all the proof I need.
I don't need to prove anything to you personally.
That is your own challenge.
All spritual beliefs are matters of faith, not just certain chapters of the Bhagavatam.
Nobody can prove anything about any religion of religious faith.
It is all a matter of faith.
If you don't have the faith, there is not much I can do about that.
The Bhagavatam is a spiritual science not a book of astronomy.
The universal form of the Bhagavatam is part of the spiritual science, not a treatise on astronomy.
There is more than one way to view the universe apart from the telescopes of the scientists.
The Bhagavatan sees through the lense of knowledge, not the lense of the telescope.
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In vaisnava tradition as well. In fact, gaurakisora das babaji used these tactics to keep fools from approaching him, including eating from a human skull.
please post an authoritative reference to support that.
anything that far-fetched needs to have some substantial documentation apart from hearsay.
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The Bhagavatam also says that the Moon was produced out of an ocean of milk on the planet of Ksirodakashayi Vishnu, by the churning of the Mandara mountain by the Demigods and the Asuras.
I doubt that the scientists would ever agree to that theory of the Moon's creation either, so I am not concerned with what the scientists say about the creation of the universe.
Picking and choosing which part of the Bhagavatam we accept is for infantile thinkers who are double-jointed and have managed to get their head stuck up in their organ of defacation.
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Srila Prabhupada gave the idea that different impressions mix and mingle and produce dreams.
He said that if one sees gold and then sees a mountain he can have a dream of a gold mountain.
That does not mean that we actually once saw a gold mountain.
The other night I dreamed that somebody in a custon 55 Chevy that was brilliant turquoise color took me accross a road of water to a party where I cooked special food for a wealth Japanese businessman and was making nectar drink for some Swamis at the same time.
I got worried because I was running out of nectar drink to feed the Swamis with.
Meanwhile, I was trying to keep cooking for the wealthy Japanese businessman.
So, this is a good example of how different impressions all come together to create dreams that don't necessarily have any basis in our previous lives.
Our minds just stitch and patch together thoughts and ideas and produces dreams.
We haven't experienced in the past any such thing, nor will we experience it in the future.
The mind is just a witch that brews up all sorts of crazy dreams by mixing together different impressions.
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We are trying to make the Bhagavatam fit into our own universe.
But, devotional life means that we try to fit into the Bhagavat universe.
Some people try to bring the Bhagavat down to their sickly plane of mundane thought.
The real mission is to rise up to the plane of the spiritual thought of the Bhagavat instead of dragging it down to the scrutiny of hamburger head scientists who make a living cheating the population with false scientific information.
Who is the Lokapala Nirriti?
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In Hinduism, Nirṛti is one of the Guardians of the directions, representing the southwest. She was originally a goddess of death, connected with Devi, who later became the male Guardian. The gender shift also involved a union with Nirṛta, the masculine aspect of the female Nirṛti.
Lokapālas
In Hinduism the Guardians of the four cardinal directions are called the Lokapālas (लोकपाल). They are:
these are male gods.