Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 1999 List, I would also like to add that I started backwards, which had its benifits. Rather than knowint about kundalini and the Self realization, then striving for it, I started meditating, not knowing a thing about what to expect...imagine my joy and shock when I finally acquired a great deal of information, and there was a word and definition and rational for each experience that I had! In this sense I was very fortunate, and have no reservations about my experiences...truly a blessing... Love and Light Marcus LeTeegee <LeTeegee < > Sunday, February 14, 1999 2:19 AM Duelin' Nondualisms >LeTeegee > >In a message dated 2/13/99 1:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, >madhya (AT) mail (DOT) aracnet.com writes: > ><< How does the path that one seeks influence the possible experiences > one may have in the course of seeking? If one follows a Buddhist > path, will one's experiences confirm the mystical beliefs of that > system? > >To a certain extent, I would think so. You say...: > ><For example, some Zen masters may teach a student that if > they experience certain unusual sensations that they should observe > these experiences, but not engage them. This will ultimately lead to > success in attaining Nirvana. > >As a hypnotherapist, in the majority of cases, I can give you *suggestions* to >what will occur in a situation, and it will. 75% of the sale of a hypnosis >session is given prior to the hypnosis. > >I mention this because our paths are full of suggestions to what may occur, >whether coming from a teacher or a book. I know I've never 'spoken in >tongues', yet Christians do this all the time. > > > >------ >To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 1999 In a message dated 2/13/99 1:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, madhya (AT) mail (DOT) aracnet.com writes: << How does the path that one seeks influence the possible experiences one may have in the course of seeking? If one follows a Buddhist path, will one's experiences confirm the mystical beliefs of that system? To a certain extent, I would think so. You say...: <For example, some Zen masters may teach a student that if they experience certain unusual sensations that they should observe these experiences, but not engage them. This will ultimately lead to success in attaining Nirvana. As a hypnotherapist, in the majority of cases, I can give you *suggestions* to what will occur in a situation, and it will. 75% of the sale of a hypnosis session is given prior to the hypnosis. I mention this because our paths are full of suggestions to what may occur, whether coming from a teacher or a book. I know I've never 'spoken in tongues', yet Christians do this all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 1999 > Madhya Nandi <madhya (AT) mail (DOT) aracnet.com> > > Friends; > > Recently, there has occurred some discussion about Shaivite > non-dualism and Vedantin non-dualism. Eastern spiritual traditions > and mystical traditions generally, cultivate 'unity' experiences of > one form or another. > > How does the path that one seeks influence the possible experiences > one may have in the course of seeking? If one follows a Buddhist > path, will one's experiences confirm the mystical beliefs of that > system? In my case, it was rather the opposite as I wasn't a seeker and didn't have any knowledge about spiritual life. It was destiny that made me give up the "will to live and enjoy", resulting in recognition of "something" and this led to a radical change of life. Eight months later, when the "raging fires" had subsided, I was able to verify the "part of the road traveled" and to my astonishment I could recognize literature from many disciplines. So I never became a scholar but only verified my knowledge regarding the end (from my perspective) of the journey. As my "spontaneous sadhana" took less time then is required to study Vedanta or the Buddhist sutras, I consider it a blessing to have been "illiterate" regarding paths, systems, religions and Kundalini. It would have made me compare experiences with the "norm" of the path, possibly leading to debates and disagreements or fear of "doing it wrong", all resulting in adverse conditions and more conditioning. As an analogy, I see paths, methods etc. as an antidote to the damage wrought by personality-based society. Many antidotes are poisonous themselves when taken in excess Jan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 1999 At 07:23 PM 2/13/99 -0000, you wrote: >"Gemini" <currwamp > >Very nice poem. With your permission, I would like to share this with >friends. As for this line below....very true...the enlightened guru tells us >that they are but a rudder--the voyage is ultimately ours alone. >Love >Marcus > Whatever you wish... sam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
