Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 1999 So the stupid question is: How do you know if you are malfunctioning? with maitri, --janpa Hi Janpa and All, I was going to elaborate a bit on my earlier response to Jerry's post, and realized that janpa'a question tied into it so well..... I know I'm malfunctioning when I consider Self/God/Soul as 'apart' from me, and not Me. Jerry's statement seemed to me to be good advice. "Abide" with I AM/Self/God/Soul. I extend that to 'abide with self'. I am noticing now that the more time I spend trying to understand, fix, or lose "self", what I seem to only be accomplishing is focusing *on* self, rather than simply being Self. It seems that self becomes integrated into Self simply by allowing all that flows thru me.....no resistance to thoughts, feelings, attitudes. "The allowing" and lack of resistance then creates the space for self to serve Self rather than compete with it. I am malfunctioning when I'm in resistance to any aspect of self. When I make it more complicated than that, I simply lose my Self for a while.....until I return to my "senses". :-) Speaking for 'myself', that is... :-) Love, Melody Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 1999 In a message dated 1/8/99 9:26:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, dorf01 writes: << i dont know if there is a corellary to this or not, but in buddhist ideas, there are the 3 bodies of a buddha, the dharmakaya, sambhogakaya, and nirmanakaya. What most of us see is the buddha's manifestation body, or nirmanakaya, occasionally a realized being can see the sambhogakaya. Dharmakaya is...well, dharmakaya, i dont have a good understanding of that, but its the Essence. Thanks for the explanation -- it could make sense although I have NO idea what you just said! Can anyone explain this in layman's terms?? And are there 'signs' to which body you are seeing? Is it you can only see a certain body depending on where you are at? It seems to me that 3 different levels/perspectives of people, looking at the same Buddha person (or any person for that matter), would see 3 different bodies, ie perspectives. Wouldn't this just be a perspective of the person looking at the Buddha, rather than where the person really is? (which would explain that we are all already tHere) There's a part in ACIM that says "How you perceive others, is how they will be". (and How you perceive yourself, is how you will be... How others perceive you is how you will be... and How others perceive themselves is how they will be) Sooo, if it is just perceptions that you are talking about here, then even the Guru/Enlightened couldn't be 'truly awake' and 'be here' if perceptions are involved, as perceptions are still part of the illusion, from my understanding. I could be wrong. Some deep thoughts on a Friday morning... xxxtg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 1999 Deb, It makes perfect sense. I sighed. Thank you. + MAureen Debora A. Orf wrote: > > "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > > LeeTegee asked me to share this w/ y'all. so i am.... > > i wrote it back in October, after a weekend-long series of teachings. You > know when you have those moments where everything seems to make sense? > this was one... *sigh* it seems a long time ago too. > > ------------------------- > Phenemonon, vast as space, > Dharmatu is your base! > > Arising and falling > like the ocean's tide cycles, > > How could i have clung > to your illusions of > permanent changelessness? > > Even ME is part of this, > > Limitless in reality, > Clinging to limit > i wander in Samsara. > > So blind! so blind! > > as vast as space is the > changeless base of primordial > awareness. > > Smaller than the atoms of energy > is the changeless base of primordial awareness. > > NOW is the buddha! > NOW is the heartlight seen. > > there is nothing to do but > be kind. > > My teacher's eyes are the sun > shining, > Golden as Shakyamuni's pure form. > > Like an image in a screen of a computer, > if i pull the power, it is gone, > such is phenomenal existence. > > so too am i. > > so is the hearts darkness, like the illusion > of this image. > > Settle down into NOW > and see what is true. > > There lies me, > there lies you, > > Neither one of these is true! > > to my precious teacher > whom i can never repay, > with the mechanism of > illusion-reality i offer to > you clouds of Samantabhadra's offerings. > > Please confer your blessings! > > (if this doesnt make any sense, i wrote it in a moment of bliss.) > > --dao > > ------ > To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 1999 Its kinda like: My guru manifests to me as Khenpo Gyurmed Trinley Rinpoche. But like also, he could manifest to me in a vision or something as a diety like Green Tara or 4-armed Avolokiteshvara. that vision-level is sambhogakaya i think. (i'm fuzzy on this stuff myself.) Samb. could also be how one meets him in the intermediate state after death. Direct perception of the *guru* with mind/heart/body/NOW is dharmakaya. I think its ok to equate dharmakaya with primordial mind, but i need to ask my lama that .! hope this helps, sorry for the buddhist philosphy lesson for those who are not interested in it! with metta, --jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 1999 LeeTegee asked me to share this w/ y'all. so i am.... i wrote it back in October, after a weekend-long series of teachings. You know when you have those moments where everything seems to make sense? this was one... *sigh* it seems a long time ago too. ------------------------- Phenemonon, vast as space, Dharmatu is your base! Arising and falling like the ocean's tide cycles, How could i have clung to your illusions of permanent changelessness? Even ME is part of this, Limitless in reality, Clinging to limit i wander in Samsara. So blind! so blind! as vast as space is the changeless base of primordial awareness. Smaller than the atoms of energy is the changeless base of primordial awareness. NOW is the buddha! NOW is the heartlight seen. there is nothing to do but be kind. My teacher's eyes are the sun shining, Golden as Shakyamuni's pure form. Like an image in a screen of a computer, if i pull the power, it is gone, such is phenomenal existence. so too am i. so is the hearts darkness, like the illusion of this image. Settle down into NOW and see what is true. There lies me, there lies you, Neither one of these is true! to my precious teacher whom i can never repay, with the mechanism of illusion-reality i offer to you clouds of Samantabhadra's offerings. Please confer your blessings! (if this doesnt make any sense, i wrote it in a moment of bliss.) --dao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
