Guest guest Report post Posted September 17, 2003 Namaste Bhaktaah, I must confess two things before I go on. One is that I know a bit of Sanskrit, so I am trying to get some practice. If anyone notices an error, please correct me. Secondly, I take the devotional position of a Devi Bhakta, but I don't mean to offend any Bhaktas of Lord Shiva or Vishnu, etc. Please permit me to add a note about the notion of the "seeker," from the context of (philosophical) View: We approach sadhana from the standpoint of a separate self. The notion of the tattva "Ahamkara," etc., in conjunction with Maha Maayaa, allows pure, Non-dual Consciousness to present itself as the duality of self and other. The notion of a "seeker," is just another manifestation of that sense of separate self. The only difference between the separate self engaged in desire realms, and the seeker, is that the seeker is seemingly pointed toward the Divine. I say "seemingly pointed" since nothing truly "points" at anything but the Divine. In the course of sadhana, when the non-dual nature of awareness becomes the taste of "ordinary" mind, the ocurrence of the "seeker" is no longer the result of the tattvas interacting with Maha Maayaa, but of the tattvas being subsumed into Yoga Maayaa... the Shakti of Divine Vision. In this transition, the seeker exists for a while, as it becomes the "servant." And, the "servant" is also a notion within the play of consciousness, but this is a notion who has "found" the Divine, and is in relationship to the Divine. This bhava has the blended View of "apparent duality" within the sphere of Non- duality, in which the seeker, the servant, the sadhana, the guru, time, space, karma, tattvas, and all those notions are discarded. Obviously when the Truth is discovered, only the Truth will suffice in each and every case. However, until that discovery it's natural and useful to apply the notions in relation to View and Meditation. There are many points about this, which could be discussed by more qualified devotees than myself. But I just wanted to throw in my two cents, in order to respond to a very important point about the limitations of seeking. I don't think that the original question had any inner limitations on it, as such, however limitations in conceptual understanding could ocurr in our minds, and it's important to understand and to present the View as Dharma when the opportunity arises. Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantu! Kailash (Jesse Arana) www.meditationinfocus.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2003 Hi Jesse! Very interesting post! Why would anyone be offended by your being a Devi Bhakta? This reminds me of something I read in a bio of Sri Karunamayi: when she moved into a particular area of India (the name escapes me now), many of the local Indians objected to her presence because she's a Devi worshiper and the area is dedicated to a male lion-headed god (the name of the god escapes me at the moment). I just thought this was truly bizarro mundo. I mean what reasonable person would object? Astraea , jessearana@c... wrote: > Namaste Bhaktaah, > > I must confess two things before I go on. One is that I know a bit of Sanskrit, > so I am trying to get some practice. If anyone notices an error, please correct > me. Secondly, I take the devotional position of a Devi Bhakta, but I don't mean > to offend any Bhaktas of Lord Shiva or Vishnu, etc. > > Please permit me to add a note about the notion of the "seeker," from the > context of (philosophical) View: > > We approach sadhana from the standpoint of a separate self. The notion of the > tattva "Ahamkara," etc., in conjunction with Maha Maayaa, allows pure, Non-dual > Consciousness to present itself as the duality of self and other. > > The notion of a "seeker," is just another manifestation of that sense of > separate self. The only difference between the separate self engaged in desire > realms, and the seeker, is that the seeker is seemingly pointed toward the > Divine. > > I say "seemingly pointed" since nothing truly "points" at anything but the > Divine. > > In the course of sadhana, when the non-dual nature of awareness becomes the > taste of "ordinary" mind, the ocurrence of the "seeker" is no longer the result > of the tattvas interacting with Maha Maayaa, but of the tattvas being subsumed > into Yoga Maayaa... the Shakti of Divine Vision. > > In this transition, the seeker exists for a while, as it becomes the "servant." > And, the "servant" is also a notion within the play of consciousness, but this > is a notion who has "found" the Divine, and is in relationship to the Divine. > This bhava has the blended View of "apparent duality" within the sphere of Non- > duality, in which the seeker, the servant, the sadhana, the guru, time, space, > karma, tattvas, and all those notions are discarded. > > Obviously when the Truth is discovered, only the Truth will suffice in each and > every case. However, until that discovery it's natural and useful to apply the > notions in relation to View and Meditation. > > There are many points about this, which could be discussed by more qualified > devotees than myself. But I just wanted to throw in my two cents, in order to > respond to a very important point about the limitations of seeking. > > I don't think that the original question had any inner limitations on it, as > such, however limitations in conceptual understanding could ocurr in our minds, > and it's important to understand and to present the View as Dharma when the > opportunity arises. > > Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantu! > > Kailash (Jesse Arana) > www.meditationinfocus.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2003 peace to the mother of all, om devi! chandra mani In a message dated Sat, 4 Oct 2003 5:23:34 PM AEST, "astraea2003" <astraea2003 writes: >Hi Jesse! >Very interesting post! >Why would anyone be offended by your being a Devi Bhakta? This >reminds me of something I read in a bio of Sri Karunamayi: when she >moved into a particular area of India (the name escapes me now), many >of the local Indians objected to her presence because she's a Devi >worshiper and the area is dedicated to a male lion-headed god (the >name of the god escapes me at the moment). I just thought this was >truly bizarro mundo. I mean what reasonable person would object? > >Astraea > >, jessearana@c... wrote: >> Namaste Bhaktaah, >> >> I must confess two things before I go on. One is that I know a bit >of Sanskrit, >> so I am trying to get some practice. If anyone notices an error, >please correct >> me. Secondly, I take the devotional position of a Devi Bhakta, but >I don't mean >> to offend any Bhaktas of Lord Shiva or Vishnu, etc. >> >> Please permit me to add a note about the notion of the "seeker," >from the >> context of (philosophical) View: >> >> We approach sadhana from the standpoint of a separate self. The >notion of the >> tattva "Ahamkara," etc., in conjunction with Maha Maayaa, allows >pure, Non-dual >> Consciousness to present itself as the duality of self and other. >> >> The notion of a "seeker," is just another manifestation of that >sense of >> separate self. The only difference between the separate self >engaged in desire >> realms, and the seeker, is that the seeker is seemingly pointed >toward the >> Divine. >> >> I say "seemingly pointed" since nothing truly "points" at anything >but the >> Divine. >> >> In the course of sadhana, when the non-dual nature of awareness >becomes the >> taste of "ordinary" mind, the ocurrence of the "seeker" is no >longer the result >> of the tattvas interacting with Maha Maayaa, but of the tattvas >being subsumed >> into Yoga Maayaa... the Shakti of Divine Vision. >> >> In this transition, the seeker exists for a while, as it becomes >the "servant." >> And, the "servant" is also a notion within the play of >consciousness, but this >> is a notion who has "found" the Divine, and is in relationship to >the Divine. >> This bhava has the blended View of "apparent duality" within the >sphere of Non- >> duality, in which the seeker, the servant, the sadhana, the guru, >time, space, >> karma, tattvas, and all those notions are discarded. >> >> Obviously when the Truth is discovered, only the Truth will suffice >in each and >> every case. However, until that discovery it's natural and useful >to apply the >> notions in relation to View and Meditation. >> >> There are many points about this, which could be discussed by more >qualified >> devotees than myself. But I just wanted to throw in my two cents, >in order to >> respond to a very important point about the limitations of seeking. >> >> I don't think that the original question had any inner limitations >on it, as >> such, however limitations in conceptual understanding could ocurr >in our minds, >> and it's important to understand and to present the View as Dharma >when the >> opportunity arises. >> >> Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantu! >> >> Kailash (Jesse Arana) >> www.meditationinfocus.com > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2003 Namaste, People do get offended, and I try to minimize that when I enter a new conversation. Since I do have a strong articulation, I want to make sure everyone knows up front that I am articulated, yet flexible and open. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com astraea2003 [astraea2003 ] Saturday, October 04, 2003 2:24 AMSubject: Re: Self, Seeker, and UnionHi Jesse!Very interesting post! Why would anyone be offended by your being a Devi Bhakta? This reminds me of something I read in a bio of Sri Karunamayi: when she moved into a particular area of India (the name escapes me now), many of the local Indians objected to her presence because she's a Devi worshiper and the area is dedicated to a male lion-headed god (the name of the god escapes me at the moment). I just thought this was truly bizarro mundo. I mean what reasonable person would object?Astraea--- In , jessearana@c... wrote:> Namaste Bhaktaah,> > I must confess two things before I go on. One is that I know a bit of Sanskrit, > so I am trying to get some practice. If anyone notices an error, please correct > me. Secondly, I take the devotional position of a Devi Bhakta, but I don't mean > to offend any Bhaktas of Lord Shiva or Vishnu, etc.> > Please permit me to add a note about the notion of the "seeker," from the > context of (philosophical) View:> > We approach sadhana from the standpoint of a separate self. The notion of the > tattva "Ahamkara," etc., in conjunction with Maha Maayaa, allows pure, Non-dual > Consciousness to present itself as the duality of self and other.> > The notion of a "seeker," is just another manifestation of that sense of > separate self. The only difference between the separate self engaged in desire > realms, and the seeker, is that the seeker is seemingly pointed toward the > Divine. > > I say "seemingly pointed" since nothing truly "points" at anything but the > Divine.> > In the course of sadhana, when the non-dual nature of awareness becomes the > taste of "ordinary" mind, the ocurrence of the "seeker" is no longer the result > of the tattvas interacting with Maha Maayaa, but of the tattvas being subsumed > into Yoga Maayaa... the Shakti of Divine Vision.> > In this transition, the seeker exists for a while, as it becomes the "servant." > And, the "servant" is also a notion within the play of consciousness, but this > is a notion who has "found" the Divine, and is in relationship to the Divine. > This bhava has the blended View of "apparent duality" within the sphere of Non-> duality, in which the seeker, the servant, the sadhana, the guru, time, space, > karma, tattvas, and all those notions are discarded. > > Obviously when the Truth is discovered, only the Truth will suffice in each and > every case. However, until that discovery it's natural and useful to apply the > notions in relation to View and Meditation.> > There are many points about this, which could be discussed by more qualified > devotees than myself. But I just wanted to throw in my two cents, in order to > respond to a very important point about the limitations of seeking.> > I don't think that the original question had any inner limitations on it, as > such, however limitations in conceptual understanding could ocurr in our minds, > and it's important to understand and to present the View as Dharma when the > opportunity arises.> > Lokaah Samastaah Sukhino Bhavantu! > > Kailash (Jesse Arana)> www.meditationinfocus.comTo from this group, send an email to:Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
