Pankaja_Dasa 1 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Bhagavad-gita as it is Chapter 8 v 16 ä-brahma-bhuvanäl lokäù punar ävartino ’rjuna mäm upetya tu kaunteya punar janma na vidyate äbrahma—up to the Brahmaloka planet; bhuvanät—from the planetary systems; lokäù—planets; punaù—again; ävartinaù—returning; arjuna—O Arjuna; mäm—unto Me; upetya—arriving; tu—but; kaunteya—O son of Kunté; punaù janma—rebirth; na—never; vidyate—takes to. TRANSLATIONFrom the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunté, never takes birth again.-- I want to ask can you or is it possible to change the meaning of the bolded text? For preaching purposes. Can anybody who knows sanskrit tell me? punah janma—rebirth; na—never; vidyate—takes to. == I am aware of dual-compound words in Sanskrit. Can the 'na' be changed to something else to change the meanings? Or has anybody done so? Can the 'na' be changed to maybe or possible or yes. ? What does 'na' usually mean? Na also means 'nor. I really need to know this. Thx! Sorry editing, this is what I found in case anybody is really interested. : This is from thoughtout the Bhagavad-gita text: na — nor; BG 1.30 na — nor; BG 1.31 na — nor; BG 1.31 na — nor; BG 1.31 na — never; BG 1.32-35 na — never; BG 1.36 na — do not; BG 1.37-38 na — should not; BG 1.37-38 na — never; BG 2.3 na — nor; BG 2.6 na — never; BG 2.6 na — do not; BG 2.8 na yotsye — I shall not fight; BG 2.9 na — never; BG 2.11 na — never; BG 2.12 na — did not; BG 2.12 na — not; BG 2.12 na — not; BG 2.12 na — never; BG 2.12 na — not; BG 2.12 na — never; BG 2.13 na — never; BG 2.15 na — never; BG 2.16 na — never; BG 2.16 na kaścit — no one; BG 2.17 na — never; BG 2.19 na — never; BG 2.19 na — nor; BG 2.19 na — never; BG 2.20 na — never; BG 2.20 na — not; BG 2.20 na — never; BG 2.20 na — never; BG 2.23 na — never; BG 2.23 na — never; BG 2.23 na — never; BG 2.23 na — do not; BG 2.25 na — never; BG 2.26 na — do not; BG 2.27 na — never; BG 2.29 na — never; BG 2.30 na — never; BG 2.31 na — does not; BG 2.31 na — do not; BG 2.33 na — never; BG 2.38 na — there is not; BG 2.40 na — never; BG 2.40 na — never; BG 2.42-43 na — never; BG 2.44 na — never; BG 2.57 na — never; BG 2.57 na asti — there cannot be; BG 2.66 na — not; BG 2.66 na — not; BG 2.66 na — not; BG 2.70 na — never; BG 2.72 na — not; BG 3.4 na — nor; BG 3.4 na — nor; BG 3.5 na — never; BG 3.8 na — does not; BG 3.16 na — does not; BG 3.17 na — never; BG 3.18 na — nor; BG 3.18 na — never; BG 3.18 na — not; BG 3.22 na — nothing; BG 3.22 na — do not; BG 3.23 na — not; BG 3.24 na — not; BG 3.26 na — never; BG 3.28 na — not; BG 3.29 na — do not; BG 3.32 na — never; BG 3.34 na — not; BG 4.5 na — never; BG 4.9 na — never; BG 4.14 na — nor; BG 4.14 na — never; BG 4.14 na — does not; BG 4.20 na — never; BG 4.21 na — never; BG 4.22 na — never; BG 4.31 na — never; BG 4.35 na — nothing; BG 4.38 na — never; BG 4.40 na — nor; BG 4.40 na — not; BG 4.40 na — never; BG 4.41 na — never; BG 5.3 na — nor; BG 5.3 na — never; BG 5.4 na cireṇa — without delay; BG 5.6 na — never; BG 5.7 na — never; BG 5.8-9 na — never; BG 5.10 na — never; BG 5.13 na — not; BG 5.13 na — never; BG 5.14 na — nor; BG 5.14 na — nor; BG 5.14 na — never; BG 5.15 na — nor; BG 5.15 na — never; BG 5.20 na — does not; BG 5.20 na — never; BG 5.22 na — not; BG 6.1 na — nor; BG 6.1 na — never; BG 6.2 na — not; BG 6.4 na — never; BG 6.4 na — never; BG 6.5 na — not; BG 6.11-12 na — nor; BG 6.11-12 na — never; BG 6.16 na — nor; BG 6.16 na — nor; BG 6.16 na — not; BG 6.16 na — does not; BG 6.19 na — never; BG 6.20-23 na — never; BG 6.20-23 na — never; BG 6.20-23 na — not; BG 6.25 na — not; BG 6.30 na — nor; BG 6.30 na — do not; BG 6.33 na — not; BG 6.38 na — never; BG 6.39 na eva — never is it so; BG 6.40 na — never; BG 6.40 na — never; BG 6.40 na — not; BG 7.2 na — not; BG 7.7 na — not; BG 7.12 na abhijānāti — does not know; BG 7.13 na — not; BG 7.15 na — nor; BG 7.25 na — not; BG 7.25 na — not; BG 7.26 na — not; BG 8.5 na anya-gāminā — without their being deviated; BG 8.8 na — never; BG 8.15 na — never; BG 8.16 na — never; BG 8.20 na — never; BG 8.21 na — never; BG 8.27 na — not; BG 9.4 na — never; BG 9.5 na — never; BG 9.5 na — never; BG 9.9 na — not; BG 9.24 na — no one; BG 9.29 na — nor; BG 9.29 na — never; BG 9.31 na — never; BG 10.2 na — never; BG 10.2 na — never; BG 10.7 na — never; BG 10.14 na — nor; BG 10.14 na asti — there is not; BG 10.18 na asti — there is not; BG 10.19 na — not; BG 10.39 na — nor; BG 10.40 na — never; BG 11.8 na antam — no end; BG 11.16 na madhyam — no middle; BG 11.16 na punaḥ — nor again; BG 11.16 na — not; BG 11.24 na — not; BG 11.25 na — not; BG 11.25 na — not; BG 11.31 na — never; BG 11.32 na — not; BG 11.37 na — never; BG 11.43 na dṛṣṭa-pūrvam — no one has previously seen; BG 11.47 na — never; BG 11.48 na — never; BG 11.48 na — never; BG 11.48 na — never; BG 11.48 na — never; BG 11.53 na — never; BG 11.53 na — never; BG 11.53 na — never; BG 11.53 na — not; BG 12.6-7 na — never; BG 12.8 na — not; BG 12.9 na — never; BG 12.15 na — never; BG 12.15 na — never; BG 12.17 na — never; BG 12.17 na — never; BG 12.17 na — never; BG 12.17 na — neither; BG 13.13 na — nor; BG 13.13 na — never; BG 13.24 na — does not; BG 13.29 na karoti — never does anything; BG 13.32 na lipyate — nor is he entangled; BG 13.32 na — never; BG 13.33 na — never; BG 13.33 na — never; BG 14.2 na — nor; BG 14.2 na — no; BG 14.19 na dveṣṭi — does not hate; BG 14.22-25 na nivṛttāni — nor stopping development; BG 14.22-25 na — never; BG 14.22-25 na — never; BG 14.22-25 na — not; BG 15.3-4 na — never; BG 15.3-4 na — never; BG 15.3-4 na — never; BG 15.3-4 na — never; BG 15.3-4 na — not; BG 15.6 na — nor; BG 15.6 na — nor; BG 15.6 na — never; BG 15.6 na — never; BG 15.10 na — do not; BG 15.11 na — not; BG 16.1-3 na — never; BG 16.7 na — never; BG 16.7 na — nor; BG 16.7 na — never; BG 16.7 na — never; BG 16.23 na — never; BG 16.23 na — never; BG 16.23 na — never; BG 17.28 na u — nor; BG 17.28 na — never; BG 18.3 na — never; BG 18.5 na — never; BG 18.7 na — not; BG 18.8 na — never; BG 18.10 na — nor; BG 18.10 na — never; BG 18.11 na — not; BG 18.12 na — never; BG 18.16 na — never; BG 18.17 na — never; BG 18.17 na — never; BG 18.17 na — never; BG 18.17 na — never; BG 18.35 na — not; BG 18.40 na — never; BG 18.47 na — never; BG 18.48 na — never; BG 18.54 na — never; BG 18.54 na śroṣyasi — do not hear; BG 18.58 na yotsye — I shall not fight; BG 18.59 na — not; BG 18.60 na — never; BG 18.67 na — never; BG 18.67 na — never; BG 18.67 na — never; BG 18.67 na — never; BG 18.69 na — nor; BG 18.69 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pankaja_Dasa 1 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 So does 'na' always mean 'no? As in No means No! I'm not crazy I need this for my research, call it bhakta vriska. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jahnava Nitai Das 2 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Na generally always means no, not, nor, a negative. But there are variations, like which word is it refering to, etc. There will always be a crazy person who refuses to take the direct meaning and tries to force some other meaning in a simple sentence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pankaja_Dasa 1 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Thats fine. Do you think anybody has misintrepretated this verse? I don't think it is possible. It's pretty clear. I was looking at it from the point of view of a Karmi or Karma-yoga 'Bhakta'. I cannot really see how you can deny this verse since they want to attain some planet. But here it says 'punah janma—rebirth; na—never; vidyate—takes to'. I know Impersonalists will take a different meaning out of this verse. But can KARMIS? That's what I really need to know. Any verse in Gita which clearly diminshes Karma-yoga would be nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jahnava Nitai Das 2 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 I think we need to clearly differentiate between karma and karma-yoga. Yoga indicates to link, so karma yoga is when one has linked to Krishna through his works. In one sense it refers to offering the results of one's actions to Krishna, and in another it refers to specifically acting for Krishna. Karma on its own refers more to punya-karma, or pious activities for attaining material results. This is criticized throughout the Gita by Lord Krishna as the action of foolish people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pankaja_Dasa 1 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Yes. I only needed one verse. I rather have one verse which says it. Then many as I cannot remember too many verses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jahnava Nitai Das 2 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Gita 7.20 kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ prapadyante 'nya-devatāḥ taḿ taḿ niyamam āsthāya prakṛtyā niyatāḥ svayā TRANSLATION Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures. Gita 7.23 antavat tu phalaḿ teṣāḿ tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām devān deva-yajo yānti mad-bhaktā yānti mām api TRANSLATION Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jahnava Nitai Das 2 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 Gita 3.26 na buddhi-bhedam janayed ajnanam karma-sanginam josayet sarva-karmani vidvan yuktah samacaran Let not the wise disrupt the minds of the ignorant who are attached to fruitive action, they should not be encouraged to refrain from work, but to engage in work in the spirit of devotion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pankaja_Dasa 1 Report post Posted March 21, 2006 To save me a lot of time and energy, do you know if Mayavadis intrepretate those verses you posted in any 'diff way'? Particulary this one: Bg.7.20 Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures. Do they accept demi-gods? This verse uses devatah—demigods. Is it possible to intrepretate this verse [ONLY THIS VERSE] in an Impersonalistic way.? Right now I need a 'Bhagavad-gita Guide!'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
