This is what seems to happen when Christians become Hindu

[krsna 3]

jndas

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05/15/01

 

... some people just get kicks arguing on the internet. It makes them feel like somebody. They really have no purpose, they're not interested in convincing anyone - they've been arguing for years. The purpose of their argument is to argue - technically called jalpa. But when they do it repeatedly it becomes "complete", or pra-jalpa.

 

Their own acharya, Sri Rupa Goswami, advises against this:

 

 

quote:

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atyaharah prayasas ca

prajalpo niyamagrahah

jana-sangas ca laulyam ca

shadbhir bhakti vinasyati

 

"One's devotional service is spoiled when he becomes too entangled in the following six activities: (1) eating more than necessary or collecting more funds than required; (2) overendeavouring for mundane things that are dificult to obtain; (3) engaging in pra-jalpa, non-stop argument for the sake of argument; (4)practicing the scriptural rules and regulations only for the sake of following them and not for the sake of spiritual advancement; (5) associating with worldly-minded persons; and (6) being greedy for mundane achievements.

 

 

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This is what seems to happen when Christians become Hindu, they want to continue their "crusades" where ever they go.

 

What is needed is sat-bhava or sadhu-bhava. But that is not something you learn from your books. You cant cut and paste it on top of yourself. Sat-bhava can only come by living and serving sadhus in a traditional manner. But that requires sacrifice, and is therefore not popular - neither in India nor in the west.

 

What _is_ popular is false pride. The conception that "I am a devotee". When in reality Krishna won't touch any of us with a ten foot stick. Why? Because we are expert at externally showing our devotion, but have no internal detachment from raga and bhaya. As Krishna says in the Gita:

 

vita-raga-bhaya-krodha

man-maya mam upashritah

 

Without being free from fear and anger it is not possible to be absorbed in the Lord.

 

bahavo jnana-tapasa

puta mad-bhavam agatah

 

Without being purified by knowledge and penance one can not attain sat-bhava, nor love for Krishna.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hari bol krisna. You has many time? /images/graemlins/smile.gif Where you live?

[krsna 3]

 

/images/graemlins/cool.gifKrsna Das

[Guest guest]

Oh, I am understand.

[Vanguard 0]

Very good point. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[vanamali 1]

We are not bhaktas for sure! Remember the description of a bhakta in Gita chapter 12. Krishna even makes the allowance that "Ok, even if you just try to develop these characteristics..." But let's be honest. Do we REALLY try? Really?

 

We should just realize how humble and small we are before the Lord's infinite beauty, and beg for His grace that He might look past our defects, and bless us with a loving glance!

[Raghavan 0]

Yes I do agree that we tend to get attracted to the worldly material beauties. But you know, when we keep ourselves conscious in our effort to keep thinking of Shri Hari/Krishna all the time, He really comes to us and bless us in the way we wish to be with HIM even in the material existence.

 

[Pankaja_Dasa 1]

 

 

Just had them sent to me, 30 CDs! Free can't believe it!

 

Its amazing when you see how humble and funny Srila Prabhupada is. Its mesmorizing to see all the interviews.

 

29 Cds more to go, I am going to relish.

[vanamali 1]

Yes I do agree that we tend to get attracted to the worldly material beauties. But you know, when we keep ourselves conscious in our effort to keep thinking of Shri Hari/Krishna all the time, He really comes to us and bless us in the way we wish to be with HIM even in the material existence.

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Oh, Raghavan! Yes, it's true!!!

[Guest guest]

how did you get them for free?

[krsna 3]

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