Is bible a holy book?

[krsna 3]

 

Om Tat Carrots ...

 

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[anadi 0]

"But whenever there is information of God, that is scripture"

 

Look for the information of God and His world in the plagiarism called bible.

 

“5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.”

 

And if it were the spiritual world how is it possible that we find a material identification with the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, which have to do only with the creation lila related to the material world?

 

“5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him?! that sat upon the throne.”

 

There are only speculations of people with no transcendental knowledge, that "think"....something...after the "fathers of the church" eliminated the little knowledge that was in that what was a "scripture".

 

Look for the information of God and His world in the plagiarism called bible.

 

As for your eyesight, and your descrimintion power, one has the forgive your ardous quoting in trying to prove a forgery as scripture.

Even the buddhist pretend they have a scripture.

[anadi 0]

How can you say there is no need for milk in the Goloka?

That milk is not like this of this world.

The cows are in a mixed rasa of dasya and vatsalya rasa.

This is the transcendental mellow of some living entities.

And they serve Krishna in this way.

 

I don't take the time to explain all your defectuos thinking.

 

But you should understand that the vedas in vaikuntha are not books, but personalities, and in goloka vrindavan they accepted the mood of the gopis and became the sruti-cary-gopis.

 

Your speculation that gopis write poems is unheard.

There is no need in the spiritual world for books.

Every word is a song and every step a dance, and they are limitless expresions of prema. And whatever is said are the eternal expresions of one's love.

[anadi 0]

Here we see the way the sect of Essenes were thinking about the end of the world, about the "choosed ones".

 

7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

 

7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

 

7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

 

7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

 

7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

 

7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

 

And here we see the added part which reflect the Paul's doctrine, of the "choosed ones":

 

7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

 

7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

 

7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

 

7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

 

7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

Is this scripture, or politics?

As theistic understanding:

his "followers" should not be offensive to the Bible as it is in pursuance of the vedic version.

Nice pursuance of the vedic version!

[anadi 0]

8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

 

That the drama presented in "revelation" of the said John is not acted in the spiritual world (vaikuntha), as some "new-age yogi" pretend, can be understood also from the above passage.

 

8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

 

But still the enacted drama is presented as being in vaikuntha:

 

"9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God"

And here, it is supposed to be found the information about God, that is why "the revelation" is a scripture, and as such has its place in the bible.

[gHari 0]

At the end it says: all these things will come to pass before the end of this generation. Some try to wrangle the book into some future event, but I don't think so. We have so many such divergent understandings, and so a new denomination, a new twist on every street corner. The mind will carve meaning according to our attachment. Jesus was not so obtuse.

 

[theist 1]

Yeah those rabbits are famous for their love of burgers.

 

 

[theist 1]

 

 

Prabhupada:

The word veda means “book of knowledge.” There are many books of knowledge, which vary according to the country, population, environment, etc. In India the books of knowledge are referred to as the Vedas. In the West they are called the Old Testament and New Testament. The Muhammadans accept the Koran. What is the purpose for all these books of knowledge? They are to train us to understand our position as pure soul. Their purpose is to restrict bodily activities by certain rules and regulations, and these rules and regulations are known as codes of morality. The Bible, for instance, has ten commandments intended to regulate our lives. The body must be controlled in order for us to reach the highest perfection, and without regulative principles, it is not possible to perfect our lives. The regulative principles may differ from country to country or from scripture to scripture, but that doesn’t matter, for they are made according to the time and circumstances and the mentality of the people. But the principle of regulated control is the same.

 

 

It certainly is not necessary for one to read every book of knowledge, from every culture. Not all will be relevant to our present level of understanding.

 

What is important is that we gain some insight to where we really are and then try to proceed from there. Others may be a different levels both higher and lower. it is not helpful to spend our time ridiculing others who may be on a lower level just as it is not wanted that we should waste time trying to imitate those more advanced.

 

We have heard the example of the careful handing down of a ripe mango from the the top of the tree. How it is carefully passed from one to another on down.

 

In a similar way the less advanced should carefully receive knowledge from those higher and carefully give knowledge to those that are lower.

 

It is unseemly for one to ridicule those on a lower position while himself is trying to imitate those on a higher position.

 

Such posturing is simply a disturbance.

[theist 1]

Gita 3.26

TRANSLATION

So as not to disrupt the minds of ignorant men attached to the fruitive results of prescribed duties, a learned person should not induce them to stop work. Rather, by working in the spirit of devotion, he should engage them in all sorts of activities [for the gradual development of Krsna consciousness].

 

PURPORT

Vedaiç ca sarvair aham eva vedyaù. That is the end of all Vedic rituals. All rituals, all performances of sacrifices, and everything that is put into the Vedas, including all direction for material activities, are meant for understanding Krsna, who is the ultimate goal of life. But because the conditioned souls do not know anything beyond sense gratification, they study the Vedas to that end. But through fruitive activities and sense gratification regulated by the Vedic rituals one is gradually elevated to Krsna consciousness. Therefore a realized soul in Krsna consciousness should not disturb others in their activities or understanding, but he should act by showing how the results of all work can be dedicated to the service of Krsna. The learned Krsna conscious person may act in such a way that the ignorant person working for sense gratification may learn how to act and how to behave. Although the ignorant man is not to be disturbed in his activities, a slightly developed Krsna conscious person may directly be engaged in the service of the Lord without waiting for other Vedic formulas. For this fortunate man there is no need to follow the Vedic rituals, because by direct Krsna consciousness one can have all the results one would otherwise derive from following one’s prescribed duties.

 

[anadi 0]

Sorry, your ignorance is unbeatable, because you pose as the knower of the letters of "prabhupada", ...as for your understanding... just try to prove your point: don't say bible is crappp, and ...how crappp, and the church theaches it in the name of the unknown God, and the "holy spirit" who alegedly inspired it.

 

In Srimad Bhagavatam by the description of the material time we find a short description of the partial devastation of the univers. The so called “Revelation of John” touches a little this description, but the lacking of transcendental knowledge of the correctors (so called editors) and the pauline doctrine twisted altogether the meaning of the partial devastation using it in their exclusivist doctrine of the choosed ones, (the essenens with the doctrine of the choosed people of the tribes of Israel and the pauline church with the doctrine of the choosed people of Jesus) :

Quote SB 3.11.26-34

“ In the creation, during Brahm's day, the three planetary systems — Svarga, Martya and Patala — revolve, and the inhabitants, including the lower animals, human beings, demigods and Pita's, appear and disappear in terms of their fruitive activities.

 

In each and every change of Manu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead appears by manifesting His internal potency in different incarnations, as Manu and others. Thus He maintains the universe by discovered power.

 

At the end of the day, under the insignificant portion of the mode of darkness, the powerful manifestation of the universe merges in the darkness of night. By the influence of eternal time, the innumerable living entities remain merged in that dissolution, and everything is silent.

This verse is an explanation of the night of BrahmA, which is the effect of the influence of time in touch with an insignificant portion of the modes of material nature in darkness. The dissolution of the three worlds is effected by the incarnation of darkness, Rudra, represented by the fire of eternal time which blazes over the three worlds. These three worlds are known as Bhur, Bhuvah and Svah (Patala, Martya and Svarga). The innumerable living entities merge into that dissolution, which appears to be the dropping of the curtain of the scene of the Supreme Lord's energy, and so everything becomes silent.

 

 

When the night of BrahmA ensues, all the three worlds are out of sight, and the sun and the moon are without glare, just as in the due course of an ordinary night.

 

The devastation takes place due to the fire emanating from the mouth of Sankarsana, and thus great sages like Bhrigu and other inhabitants of Maharloka transport themselves to Janaloka, being distressed by the warmth of the blazing fire which rages through the three worlds below.

 

At the beginning of the devastation all the seas overflow, and hurricane winds blow very violently. Thus the waves of the seas become ferocious, and in no time at all the three worlds are full of water.

 

It is said that the blazing fire from the mouth of Sankarsana rages for one hundred years of the demigods, or 36,000 human years. Then for another 36,000 years there are torrents of rain, accompanied by violent winds and waves, and the seas and oceans overflow. These reactions of worlds. People forget all these devastations of the worlds and think themselves happy in the material progress of civilization. This is called maya or "that which is not."

 

The Supreme Lord, the Personality of Godhead, lies down in the water on the seat of Ananta, with His eyes closed, and the inhabitants of the Janaloka planets offer their glorious prayers

unto the Lord with folded hands.

 

Thus the process of the exhaustion of the duration of life exists for every one of the living beings, including Lord BrahmA. One's life endures for only one hundred years, in terms of the times in the different planets.

 

The one hundred years of BrahmA's life are divided into two parts, the first half and the second half. The first half of the duration of BrahmA's life is already over, and the second half is now current. “

 

Sorry, your ignorance is unbeatable.

[anadi 0]

Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura has said, "I came to give some valuable conceptions in raganuga-bhava - but I could not do so. Most of my life was spent in sweeping and cutting jungles." Preaching is like this - and it is also so essential. Without preaching vaidhi-bhakti, that main thing cannot be given. Srila Sarasvati Thakura used to say that when the mayavada philosophy (becoming one in all respects with an impersonal God) is present, there can be no preaching of bhakti - so we will have to cut the jungles of atheism, mayavada, sahajiyaism and other non-Vedic philosophies. We will have to spend time defeating their arguments.

 

from a lecture by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja, at the ISKCON Juhu Beach temple in Bombay, 1993.

[Guest guest]

after so many "editing" changes in the bible, I personally do not have any faith in it anymore.

 

Simmilarly though, I have no more faith in the Books of Prabhupada after "76".

 

Or in those who allowed the changes, and allowed the Pretend Gurus

[Guest guest]

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi 17.169 Purport:

 

"The sastras of the yavanas, or meat-eaters, are not eternal scriptures. They have been fashioned recently, and sometimes they contradict one another. The scriptures of the yavanas are three: the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Koran. Their compilation has a history; they are not eternal like the Vedic knowledge. Therefore although they have their arguments and reasonings, they are not very sound and transcendental. As such, modern people advanced in science and philosophy deem these scriptures unacceptable.

Sometimes Christian priests come to us inquiring, “Why are our followers neglecting our scriptures and accepting yours?” But when we ask them, “Your Bible says, ‘Do not kill.’ Why then are you killing so many animals daily?” they cannot answer. Some of them imperfectly answer that the animals have no souls. But then we ask them, “How do you know that animals have no souls? Animals and children are of the same nature. Does this mean that the children of human society also have no souls?” According to the Vedic scriptures, within the body is the owner of the body, the soul. In the Bhagavad-gétä (2.13) it is said: “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.”

Because the soul is within the body, the body changes through so many forms. There is a soul within the body of every living creature, whether animal, tree, bird or human being, and the soul is transmigrating from one type of body to another. When the scriptures of the yavanas—namely the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran—cannot properly answer inquisitive followers, naturally those advanced in scientific knowledge and philosophy lose faith in such scriptures."

 

[Guest guest]

the bible, the gita, the quaran are all sciptures given to man by the lord.

jesus spoke nothing but the truth in the bible. only those who are wise will understand his words. thoses who only read spirtual scriptures without practising or applying their teachings are wasting thier time. self realisation doesnt come by just reading. if that was the case i would be enlightened right now. you have to be warriors! why are you wasting time arguing aboput scriptures?! stop creating more confusion in your minds and meditate! sit in silence, there you will find god