Feelings of Surrender

[sudhaya 0]

 

Hare Krsna

 

Could any devotees say what feelings you can have when/if you surrender to instructions of Guru?

 

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[theist 1]

for any of Prabhupada's or others disciples to answer such a question. We are all individuals and will have our own feelings specific to ourselves. Best we adventure into this territory ourselves to get a real understanding.

 

There may be some general things said like humility, gratitude or even love, but until we experience these qualities for ourselves they will exist within our minds as empty words only.

[ancient_paztriot 0]

Such a nice devotee you are. You are soOO deep.

 

I'm more interested in hearing from you - a sincere and introspective soul.

 

You first… in your own words, of coarse.

 

I'd like to hear what that nice devotee named "Krsna" says too. I'm all ears!

[Guest guest]

Why this sarcasm? Why are you always making fun of others and why pick on Krsna particularly? You need to give up your ego and anger, if you desire to become a pure devotee.

[ancient_paztriot 0]

Why are YOU sincere… and I'm not? Sarcastic?

 

OOooh misconstrue? (My only French).

 

No serious reply? No evident bhakti?

 

I'M SORRY. I read you wrong.

[gHari 0]

 

On the too few occasions when my act may have come together, what I noticed was first the total lack of anxiety and the world, and continuing seemingly forever, a sense of complete bewilderment.

 

When I remember, mostly while chanting, these feelings again surround me, and I feel at home, again.

 

But like Theist says it is all personal, subjective, unquantifiable, and unverifiable. But it is all that is real in my world.

 

 

[sudhaya 0]

 

"I'm more interested in hearing from you - a sincere and introspective soul."

 

Oooh really? I don't think so Prabhuji, I am too deep even for myself, my keyboard would merge into Brahman, and I would be committing spiritual suicide by telling you 'how I feel'.

 

Everybodys at thier cross-roads in life, not knowing where to go, so I try not to listen to my mind so much, otherwise it will take me to Disney Land Maya. /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[ancient_paztriot 0]

You cannot take what you give out! Who are you?

[sudhaya 0]

 

it seems.

[ancient_paztriot 0]

I only followed your lead.

 

{b] Hey Jude

Hey Jude, don't make it bad

take a sad song and make it better

Remember to let her into your heart

Then you can start to make it better

 

Hey Jude, don't be afraid

You were made to go out and get her

The minute you let her under your skin

The you begin to make it better

 

And anytime you feel the pain

Hey Jude refrain

don't carry the world upon your shoulders

For well you know that it's a fool

who plays it cool

By making his world a little colder

Na na na na na

na na na na

 

Hey Jude don't let me down

You have found her, now go and get her

Remember to let get into your heart

then you can start to make it better

 

So let it out and let it in

Hey Jude begin

You're waiting for someone to perform with

And don't you know that it's just you

Hey Jude, you'll do

The movement you need is on your shoulder

Na na na na na

na na na na yeah

 

Hey Jude

Hey Jude, don't make it bad

take a sad song and make it better

Remember to let her under your skin

Then you can begin to make it better

Better, better, better, better, better, oh

 

Na, na na na na na na

na na na na, hey Jude

Na, na na na na na na

na na na na, hey Jude

Na, na na na na na na

na na na na, hey Jude

[Guest guest]

C'mon guys! It takes two to tango...

[sudhaya 0]

 

not to argue about nonsence.

 

You seem paranoid or something, just leave me in peace.

 

I won't reply to any of your posts I request you do the same for me, bye.

 

[ancient_paztriot 0]

As you wish.

 

Revolution

 

You say you want a revolution

Well, you know

We all want to change the world

You tell me that it's evolution

Well, you know

We all want to change the world

 

But when you talk about destruction

Don't you know that you can count me out

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

 

You say you got a real solution

Well, you know

We'd all love to see the plan

You ask me for a contribution

Well, you know

We're doing what we can

 

But when you want money for people with minds that hate

All I can tell is brother you have to wait

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

 

You say you'll change the constitution

Well, you know

We all want to change your head

You tell me it's the institution

Well, you know

You better free you mind instead

 

But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao

You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

Don't you know it's gonna be all right

All right, all right... – Beatles

.............................

 

I suspect you'll reincarnate in some other form.

[Guest guest]

Sudaya said in another thread that he is Govindaram.

[ancient_paztriot 0]

or just another CITIZEN!…

 

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN

 

Time will come when we know what happened here

Change will come in time and make it clear

We learn one thing if we learn at all

In the secret wars we call our lives

Anything can happen

 

We watch the days, we make our plans

We change in ways a life demands

But what ever pleasure this life may allow

I'll give you the love I have for you now

Because anything can happen

 

In a world so full of fear

Dreams are whispered in the dead of night

And people disappear

But you hear my heart and you know I'm still here

Although you know and I know you know

While I swear I'll never let you go

Anything can happen

 

Yeah, if this love can happen here

Anything can

 

We watch the days we make our plans

We change in ways a life demands

I'll always remember this time, this place

The hope in your voice, the light on your face

Because anything can happen

 

In a world so full of pain

People give their lives to making war

And we call those people sane

But I love you where your dreams remain

Though you never say it anymore

One day there'll be an end to this war

And who knows

We may see what we're here for

Anything can happen

 

Yeah, if this love has found us here

Anything can

Can happen

 

WHEN THE STONE BEGINS TO TURN

 

I come here for Dr. King

Who gave the people a precious thing

He found a light in the darkest hour

And the strength for speaking truth to power

 

And in the years since they shot him down

You see changes that once were a dream

Begin to come around

 

When the walls have begun to crumble

When the laws have begun to burn

When the winds is singing freedom

When the stone begins to turn

 

And I come here to praise Mandela

And to send this message to his jailer

Your walls may hold the man inside

But they'll never ever hold back the tide

 

'Cause in the years you've shut him away

A generation has grown where he stood

They're gonna see the day

 

When the walls have begun to crumble

When the laws have begun to burn

When the wind is singing freedom

When the stone begins to turn

 

We come here to sing for freedom

And to send our voices to the ones who need them

Freedom for South Africa

And justice for Nelson Mandela

 

'Cause in the years they've shut him away

A generation has grown where he stood

We're gonna see the day

 

When the walls have begun to crumble

When the laws have begun to burn

When the wind is singing freedom

When the stone begins to turn

 

THE WORD JUSTICE

 

A man stands up before God and country

Raises his right hand and takes an oath

Swears he has acted in the line of duty

And he more than anyone wants to tell the truth

 

But there is a need to keep some things a secret

Some weapons shipments--some private wars

In the future democracy will be defended

Behind closed doors

 

Now the men of Congress who convene to determine

If covert war is a business or a crime

Are the same men who routinely give their permission

For the shedding of blood in security's name

 

And there is a need to keep some things a secret

The names of some countries--the terms of some deals

And above all the sound of the screams of the innocent

Beneath our wheels

 

Does the word justice mean anything to you?

Are the features of a lie beginning to come through?

 

In the streets of America the children are buried

Caught in an avalanche of weapons and drugs

They live and they die in the bowels of a business

That's disguised as a war between The Crips and The Bloods

 

And there is a need to keep some things a secret

The C.I.A. deals protecting the source

And the government policies directly connecting the drugs and our wars

Does the word justice mean anything to you?

 

As the battlefield comes home and democracy falls through

I am waiting for the time to come

When the word will be real for everyone

And not just a word but a thing that can be done

But justice must be won! - Jackson Browne

[ancient_paztriot 0]

 

My personal revenge will be the right

Of our children in the schools and in the gardens

My personal revenge will be to give you

This song which has flourished without panic

My personal revenge will be to show you

The kindness in the eyes of my people

Who have always fought relentlessly in battle

And been generous and firm in victory

 

My personal revenge will be to tell you good morning

On a street without beggars or homeless

When instead of jailing you I suggest

You shake away the sadness there that blinds you

And when you who have applied your hands in torture

Are unable to look up at what surrounds you

My personal revenge will be to give you

These hands that once you so mistreated

But have failed to take away their tenderness

 

It was the people who hated you the most

When rage became the language of their song

And underneath the skin of this town today

Its heart has been scarred forevermore

 

It was the people who hated you the most

When rage became the language of their song

And underneath the skin of this town today

Its heart has been scarred forevermore

And underneath the skin of this town today

Red and black, its heart's been scarred

Forevermore – Jackson Browne

[ancient_paztriot 0]

And the river opens for the righteous (5 times)

Someday

 

I was walking with my brother

And he wondered what's on my mind

I said what I believe in my soul

Ain't what I see with my eyes

And we can't turn our backs this time

 

I am a patriot

And I love my county

Because my country is all I know

I want to be with my family

The people who understand me

I've got nowhere else to go

 

And the river opens for the righteous

And the river opens for the righteous

And the river opens for the righteous

Someday

 

And I was talking with my sister

She looked so fine

I said, "Baby, what's on your mind?"

She said, "I want to run like the lion

Released from the cages

Released from the rages

Burning in my heart tonight"

 

And I ain't no communist

And I ain't no capitalist

And I ain't no socialist

And I ain't no imperialist

And I ain't no democrat

And I ain't no republican

I only know one party

And it is freedom

 

I am, I am, I am

I am a patriot

And I love my country

Because my county is all I know

 

And the river opens for the righteous

And the river opens for the righteous

And the river opens for the righteous

Someday

 

I said what I believe in my soul

Ain't what I see with my eyes!

 

And the river opens for the righteous... – Jackson Browne

[ancient_paztriot 0]

Here's to lights and virtues

Here's to truths yet to be known

Knowledge to light the darkness

The search for things of your own

 

Here's to lights and virtues

Here's to reaching higher ground

A life of hope and purpose

Here's to strength yet to be found

Honor -- though it goes unrecognized

And truth -- though liars abound

 

The pleasure of love and friendship

The courage to be alone – Jackson Browne

[ancient_paztriot 0]

Mama told me when I was young

 

Sit beside me, my only son

And listen closely to what I say

And if you do this

It will help you some sunny day

 

Oh take your time, don't live too fast

Troubles will come and they will pass

Go find a woman and you'll find love

And don't forget, son

There is someone up above

 

And be a simple kind of man

Oh be something

you love and understand

Baby, be a simple kind of man

Oh, won't you do this for me, son

If you can

 

Forget your lust

for the rich man's gold

All that you need is in your soul

And you can do this if you try

All that I want for you, my son

is to be satisfied

 

And be a simple kind of man

Oh be something

you love and understand

Baby, be a simple kind of man

Oh, won't you do this for me, son

If you can

 

Boy, don't you worry

You'll find yourself

Follow your heart and nothing else

And you can do this oh baby, if you try

All that I want for you, my son

is to be satisfied

 

And be a simple kind of man

Oh be something

you love and understand

Baby, be a simple kind of man

Oh, won't you do this for me, son

If you can – Lynyrd Skynard… shoot me if I get it wrong.

[ancient_paztriot 0]

 

Down the side streets and the avenue

There be sisters walkin' two by two

Their dresses and their shoes are new

But their hearts are weary thru and thru

And it's a long way into the light of the day

While the juke box and the radio play

 

Where the days turn into the nights

People move into the sounds and sights

Like the moth is drawn into the lights

Like the tight-rope walker into the heights

It's in their hearts, it's in their hips,

It's in their feet, it's on their lips

 

Tonight's the night I'm gonna make you mine

Gonna dance right out onto the edge of time

When the sound starts pumpin'

And the lights are flashin'

And my hearts-a-thumpin'

And I feel the passion

And the world is right there waiting

At my finger tips

Disco... apocalypse

 

In the dawn the city seems to sigh

And the hungry hear their children cry

People watch the time go by

They do their jobs and live and die

And in their dreams they rise above

By strength, or hate, or luck, or love

 

Tonight's the night I'm gonna make you mine

Gonna dance right out onto the edge of time

When the world starts turnin'

And the dreams are burnin'

And the skies awaken

Through the wind and the fire

They will be dancing still

 

It's in their hearts, it's in their hips,

it's in their feet, it's on their lips

A single sound that never ends

They die each night and live again

 

I'm gonna make you mine

Tonight's the night

Out on the edge of time

With the dreams of flesh and love dancing in my mind

Dancing through the fire on the edge of time – Jackson Browne

[ancient_paztriot 0]

Hold on hold out, keep a hold on strong

The money's in and the bets are down

You won't hold out long

They say you'll fall in no time at all

But you know they're wrong

They've known it all along

 

Yea- Hold on hold out, keep a hold on still

If you don't see what your love is worth

No one ever will

You've done your time on the bottom line

And it ain't no thrill

There's got to be something more

Keep a hold on still

You know what it is you're waiting for

Now you just hold on

Hold on hold out, hold on

 

Give up your heart and you lose your way

Trusting another to feel that way

Give up your heart and you find yourself

Living for something in somebody else

Sometimes you wonder what happens to love

Sometimes the touch of a friend is enough

 

Hold a place for the human race

Keep it open wide

Give it time to fall or climb

But let the time decide

Sometimes you wonder what's in this for you

But you wait, and you see

'Cause it's all you can do

Just to hold on

Hold on hold out, hold on

 

For the countless souls beaten by their goals

Keep a hold on now

And the ones betrayed by the deals they made

Keep a hold on

If you hold your ground it'll turn around

Keep a hold somehow

 

Hold on hold out, keep a hold on tight

Tonight's the night

Wake up and turn on the light

You fight, and you're right--

It's gonna take all your might...

 

You're a hold out

Well I'm a hold out too

But it took me all this time to figure out

Something you already knew

Will love be true? Can it pull you through?

How long? How strong?

Some things depend on you

See-- I always figured I was gonna to meet somebody here

and I don't know why

Why should love suddenly come down and just sweep me away

I want to fly

But there are so many things in my way

 

Anyway...

I guess you wouldn't know unless I told you

I.. I love you

And just look at yourself--

I mean what else would I do?

 

Hold on…

[ancient_paztriot 0]

 

In the morning when I closed my eyes

You were sleeping in paradise

And while the room was growing light

I was holding still with all my might

 

Oh--what if it's true

...What my heart says

Oh--what'll I do

What if this feeling becomes hard to part with

 

You were meant to play your part

In the design of a desperate heart

And while you gave your love to me

I was betting I was getting it free

 

Oh-- If I'd only known

...What your heart cost

Oh-- can we call it a loan

And a debt that I owe

On a bet that I lost

 

In the evening when you see my eyes

Looking back at you, no disguise

I'm not sure who you think you'll see

I'm just hoping you'll still know that it's me

 

Oh-- what if it's true

...Better ask the man inside

Oh, oh-- there seem to be two

One steals the love, and the other one hides.

 

Yeah-- can we call it a loan

Till I'm paid in full for the seeds I've sown

Yeah-- can we say that I've grown

In someway that we may have yet to be shown

 

Oh-- if I'd only known

...What your heart cost

Oh-- can we call it a loan

And a debt that I owe

On a bet that I lost – Jackson Browne