livingentity 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2003 You should know me by now - my middle name is Research. So I got on my folio disk and started searching around and found this verser. Bhagavad Gita Chapter One TEXT 8 bhavan bhismas ca karnas ca kripas ca samitim-jayah ashvatthama vikarnas ca saumadattis tathaiva ca TRANSLATION There are personalities like you, Bhishma, Karna, Kripa, Asvatthama, Vikarna and the son of Somadatta called Bhurisrava, who are always victorious in battle. PURPORT Duryodhana mentions the exceptional heroes in the battle, all of whom are ever victorious. <font color="blue">Vikarna is the brother of Duryodhana,</font color> Asvatthama is the son of Dronacarya, and <font color="red">Saumadatti, or Bhurisrava,</font color> is the son of the King of the Bahlikas. <font color="green">Karna is the half brother of Arjuna,</font color> as he was born of Kunti before her marriage with King Pandu. Kripacarya’s twin sister married Dronacarya. Govindaram - Kripa's twin sister married Drona. Dronacarya did not marry Kripacarya's twin sisters. This is info directly from Srila Prabhupada. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted August 30, 2003 Hare Krishna Me: Yes, twin sisters did marry Dronacarya LE: Govindaram - Kripa's twin sister married Drona. Dronacarya did not marry Kripacarya's twin sisters. Talk about typing before thinking! /images/graemlins/blush.gif Thanks LE for pointing that out to me, I never thought of what I had just wrote /images/graemlins/frown.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2003 I had to do the research and Prabhupada gave us the answers!! Srila Prabhupada ki jai!! Oh, I think her name was Kripi or something like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2003 Lord Krsna addresses Arjuna as Kaunteya because he is the son of Kunti. Isn't Jesht the month of May-June? ps. just came back from a websearch and I do not find a connection between Arjuna and jesht. hmmm.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2003 is He responsible for allowing bad things to happen? (answer provided on transcript) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted August 30, 2003 Hare Krishna If God is all-powerful, is He responsible for allowing bad things to happen? It depends on what kind of day/week/year you are having /images/graemlins/tongue.gif My Mind: Good days, yep good karma is mine, Bad day..oh Krishna why all this mess.. Intelligent day, its all my fault /images/graemlins/frown.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2003 I like your response!! I know how you feel. /images/graemlins/blush.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2003 Here is the answer given for the question: If God is all-powerful, is He responsible for allowing bad things to happen? Text 9 of Chapter 9 specifically answers: "udasina-vad asinam" - God is the neutral dispenser of the results of our own actions. Krishna makes the world, and enforces with total impartiality (udasina vat) the rules by which the world operates. Although God makes and enforces the rules, it is up to us how we play the game. The players of a game, not the inventor are responsible for who wins or loses. Though all powerful, God is not directly responsible for the good and bad in the world because he grants the living entities a measure of independence from His direct control, to "play the game of life" as we choose. Sometimes we play in ways that bring harsh results. Sometimes in ways that bring good results. The blame or merit is ours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2003 define "mahatma"? (answer on transcript) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonehearted 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2003 Mahatmas are souls free from delusion, under the protection of Krishna's divine nature, and fully engaged in devotional service because they know Krishna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah bhajanty ananya-manaso jnatva bhutadim avyayam O son of Prtha, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible. Bg 9.13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2003 How does Krishna define "mahatma"? In contrast to text 9.11-12's definition of a duratma as one who cannot accept the Supreme Absolute Truth as a person, text 9.13-14 defines a mahatma as one who does accept personality as the fullest expression of Absolute Truth. The mahatma therefore relates to the Supreme in a personal manner, finding refuge in the divine nature of the Supreme (daivim prakritim ashrita) by engaging in loving worship (bhajanty ananya manasa) through constant glorification (satatam kirtan). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2003 a) Why didn't Arjun want to fight? b) How does Krishna respond to each of Arjun's arguments? (answers provided on transcript) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 knows?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinimat 0 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 Arjuna didn't want to fight because he was interested in serving his own selfish interests. Krishna instructed Arjuna to completely surrender unto Him while still performing his duties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted September 4, 2003 Hare Krishna a) Why didn't Arjun want to fight? b) How does Krishna respond to each of Arjun's arguments? a) He was compassiate upon his kinsman, due to his soft-heartedness being a great devotee of Lord Sri Krishna, not realising the temp nature of the body, eternal relationship with Lord Krishna is more important, you'd have to read the entire Gita to get the answer to that question! b) Very well /images/graemlins/grin.gif, He responds just as a Spiritual Master(original) would to a sincere disciple, disiplic succession ki jai! ---<font color="brown"> By the mercy of the Spiritual Master one receives the benediction of Krsna, without the grace of the Spiritual Master one cannot make any advancement at all. </font color> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I_love_krishna_ 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Did not want to fight because of a selfish reason. He did not feel compassion over the idiot lives of Duryodhan and his brothers. He felt great love for the people like Bhisma (great devotee of krishna, Dharmic person and his Grandfather) , Dron-acharya ( His beloved teacher)... etc. He felt love for them and he thought losing them would be a great dishonor and great sin. He also says that it is better to beg these people for their blessings than fighting them. Krishna just makes him realize that the people who he thinks is fighting are worth fighting with, because they are siding evil and evil should be fought and defeated in any instance, it will be defeated in every instance at the end of that period. But the true battle is fought by krishna... who is also defeating the bad Living Entities and placing them under this world of Maya and taking good living entities to higher planets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I_L_K He did not feel compassion over the idiot lives of Duryodhan and his brothers. I think you should stick with the word ignorant, and not idiot, just my opinion /images/graemlins/smile.gif theres a thread somewhere on this forum, which explains the relationship between Lord Sri Krsna and Duryodhan, although Duryodhan is considered a non-devotee(??), even Lord Balaram had a soft spot for him. But I maybe wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 6, 2003 Answer from transcript... a) Why didn't Arjun want to fight? Arjun had four arguments against fighting: 1. Compassion/grief - Arjun did not wish not to cause death and it's grief 2. Happiness - he felt the war would bring no happiness 3. Sin - killing his Grandfather and guru would be a sin 4. Social destruction - he would kill those who were responsible for setting proper examples in society, and thus ruin the social order. b) How does Krishna respond to each of Arjun's arguments? Compassion - Arjun was concerned about the grief associated with death, Krishna therefore explains in 2.10-30 that death should not be a cause of grief (11). The soul does not die, and the body must die (12 and others in the section). Thus death is not truly an end, but only a change (13). Though the change from one life to the next does bring unavoidable grief to those left behind, one must go on with his responsibilities and duties, even in the face of such grief (14-15). Happiness - By arguing that the war would bring no happiness, Arjun indirectly argued that his duty (which in this case was to fight) would bring no happiness. Krishna therefore reminds Arjun that adherence to duty is the real means to acquire karmic merit and lasting happiness. (2.31-38) Sin - Krishna replied to Arjun's opinion that to kill his elders would be sin in two ways. * Krishna pointed out that his elders had become aggressors (1.36) and were therefore no longer venerable. Thus to kill them would not bring sinful reaction. * The war had become, after many years of searching for an alternative, an unavoidable necessity of Arjun's duty. Killing on the order of duty would not bring him sinful reaction, but to abandon his duty would. (2.33) When duty is done in true selflessness, it brings no reaction. Thus Krishna explains at length that action done without selfish motive never causes any reaction. (2.39-53) Destruction of Society - Arjun argued that killing elders would leave no one to set a right example for society. Krishna counters this by pointing out that if Arjun does not kill them, he is abandoning his responsibility as a kshatriya and thus, by not fighting, setting an example that would erode the morals of society. (3.21-24) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 6, 2003 a) 10.8 b) 10.9 c) 10.10-11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2003 Open your Bhagavad Gitas!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted September 9, 2003 Hare Krishna I just glanced through the verces you wrote down, I feel they are directed at bhaktas/mata's to inspire them to be more sincere in their KC activities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2003 a) 10.8 sambandha-jnana: Realizing that God is the origin and sustenance of everything, one develops an appreciation for the Supreme that leads eventually to a loving relationship. b) 10.9 abhideya-jnana: Once a loving relationship is established, one begins to worship the Supreme with great love, with all his heart and aspiration. One thus discusses among others the Lord with great pleasure. c) 10.10-11 prayojana-jnana: How does Krishna reciprocate with the love expressed to Him by His devotee? By taking him or her beyond all ignorance and into His direct personal association. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2003 prakriti and purusha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 11, 2003 Purusha = Man. Prakriti= Nature. Purusha enjoys Prakriti. The only Purusha in this creation/ other creations is krishna. The rest of things which are apart from supreme personality of the Godhead are prakriti. In other words, everything that we see around us including our deepest selves. Thus krishna plays with his creation just like a child plays with his toys. may be I should read bhagavath gita more often... I_love_krishna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted September 11, 2003 everyone should read Bhagavad Gita each and every day. I personally love these tests that I got. Some of the questions may appear quite simple but I go to the Bhagavad Gita even with the simple questions to read the verses and see what Krsna says and also read Prabhupada's purports. I don't rely on my faulty senses and puny little brain! /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
